Guest lawrence_@hotmail.com Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram o all current service patches. o all drivers signed o no network shares o defraged with 0&0 multi times o all clear in the event viewer o majority of services disabled o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro o ran diskchk o removed all printers o ran spybot o ran adaware bootvis o did not display the graphs that I needed. o optimized system multi times This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall.
Guest Bassplayer12 Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... > XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram > > o all current service patches. > o all drivers signed > o no network shares > o defraged with 0&0 multi times > o all clear in the event viewer > o majority of services disabled > o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times > o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro > o ran diskchk > o removed all printers > o ran spybot > o ran adaware control panel / run / type msconfig + enter / system configuration utility: startup there's a bunch of stuff in there that you can probaly uncheck... > > > > bootvis > > o did not display the graphs that I needed. > o optimized system multi times > > This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine > when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of > pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall. >
Guest Poprivet Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... Bassplayer12 wrote: >> XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram >> >> o all current service patches. >> o all drivers signed >> o no network shares >> o defraged with 0&0 multi times >> o all clear in the event viewer >> o majority of services disabled >> o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times >> o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro >> o ran diskchk >> o removed all printers >> o ran spybot >> o ran adaware > > control panel / run / type msconfig + enter / system configuration > utility: startup > there's a bunch of stuff in there that you can probaly uncheck... > >> >> >> >> bootvis >> >> o did not display the graphs that I needed. >> o optimized system multi times >> >> This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine >> when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot >> of pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to >> reinstall. Yesssss, and then what? Pop`
Guest Poprivet Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... Well, if you've tried "everything", then obviously there is nothing more can be done, right? <g>. I often try everything I can think of, but have never managed to try everything; someone always finds something I didn't try. ANYway and seriously, see Inline and Bottom post: lawrence_@hotmail.com wrote: > XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram > > o all current service patches. Assume that means SP2? > o all drivers signed Wow, that's a first! Never seen that before on an in-use machine. > o no network shares > o defraged with 0&0 multi times What does "with 0&0" mean? DeFrag has no such capability AFAIK. > o all clear in the event viewer For which logs? Please name them. Not even chkdsk results? > o majority of services disabled Any recently disabled? Did this occur after last week's MS Update by any chance? > o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times Don't know what that is. Reg cleaners shouldn't be run multiple times, especially when the first time does nothing. Why so many times, and what did it find? What did you let it repair? > o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro What version? That's a dangerous tool and you should probably revert its changes back to what they were, especially since it didn't fix anything. > o ran diskchk Did it report anything repaired in Event Viewer? > o removed all printers unnecessary; should put them back and get them working again. > o ran spybot Good > o ran adaware Good Also try the MS Malicious software tool, and HiJackThis. Be sure to read the HiJack info before posting it anywhere and do NOT post the log here! > > > > bootvis > > o did not display the graphs that I needed. > o optimized system multi times Bootvis: That indicates a system problem, pretty sure. Something is corrupted if Bootvis failed somehow, but it's entirely possible the corruption was caused by some of your well meaning attempts at a fix. > > This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine > when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of > pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall. You haven't really provided a lot of information to work with, but that almost sounds within reason if there has been a lot of graphic manipulation and indexing is turned on, plus antivirus and a few other possiblities. Honestly, "seemed to slow down" doesn't sound like a very serious problem and IMO definitely didn't merit the amount of system area manipulation that you've done. If it was a large amount of graphics, then just indexing would make some delays noticeable. If you really want to pursue this manually, my first advice would be to put everything back the way it was (hopefully you backed it all up before mucking with system areas), and start anew with a different troubleshooting concept. I wouldn't even touch a machine like that might now be unless my intent was to back up and reinstall. From the above, if you haven't already, you may not have any choice but to do a backup of ALL data, hopefully just Documents and Settings if everything has been kept there as it was designed for. That way you get every file created on the machine plus all Outlook, OE and IE files, etc.. That will also be magnitudes faster than any manual method you're looking at right now, I'm pretty sure. And then do a fresh, clean install right from deleting and recreating the partition/s. If she's not used My Documents for all her data though, the job will be tougher to locate all her data. You'll have to look and see. If you don't have backup or imaging software, ntbackup.exe or backup.exe, provided on the XP CD (or available for free download from MS), will do just fine with the exception it won't write directly to DVD or CD and will not compress data. It will however write to an external drive just fine, which is the best way to do it, and the drive itself can be set to be compressed. IMO you very likely have a mess now. Bite the bullet, backup, and do a clean install of her OS. Be certain you use her CDs by the way; do NOT use your own unless you're sure of what you're doing and the nuances of Activation, OEM vs Retail, etc etc etc. And for the future, ask her to clarify "seems to"<g>. HTH Pop`
Guest Poprivet Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 PS Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... PS Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... PS I forgot to give you this from the MS site: Microsoft argues: "Please note that Bootvis.exe is not a tool that will improve boot/resume performance for end users. Contrary to some published reports, Bootvis.exe cannot reduce or alter a system's boot or resume performance. The boot optimization routines invoked by Bootvis.exe are built into Windows XP. These routines run automatically at pre-determined times as part of the normal operation of the operating system."[1] lawrence_@hotmail.com wrote: > XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram > > o all current service patches. > o all drivers signed > o no network shares > o defraged with 0&0 multi times > o all clear in the event viewer > o majority of services disabled > o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times > o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro > o ran diskchk > o removed all printers > o ran spybot > o ran adaware > > > > bootvis > > o did not display the graphs that I needed. > o optimized system multi times > > This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine > when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of > pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall.
Guest Unknown Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... You make no mention of running Disk Clean? <lawrence_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1189813152.509321.185870@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram > > o all current service patches. > o all drivers signed > o no network shares > o defraged with 0&0 multi times > o all clear in the event viewer > o majority of services disabled > o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times > o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro > o ran diskchk > o removed all printers > o ran spybot > o ran adaware > > > > bootvis > > o did not display the graphs that I needed. > o optimized system multi times > > This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine > when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of > pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall. >
Guest lawrence_@hotmail.com Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... On Sep 16, 6:11 pm, "Poprivet" <popri...@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote: > Well, if you've tried "everything", then obviously there is nothing more can > be done, right? <g>. I often try everything I can think of, but have never > managed to try everything; someone always finds something I didn't try. > > ANYway and seriously, see Inline and Bottom post: > > lawren...@hotmail.com wrote: > > XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram > > > o all current service patches. > > Assume that means SP2? > > > o all drivers signed > > Wow, that's a first! Never seen that before on an in-use machine. > I removed all programs that were using unsigned drivers > > o no network shares > > o defraged with 0&0 multi times > > What does "with 0&0" mean? DeFrag has no such capability AFAIK. o&o is a third party defrag utility. > > > o all clear in the event viewer > > For which logs? Please name them. Not even chkdsk results? all log files > > > o majority of services disabled > > Any recently disabled? not before the slow down > Did this occur after last week's MS Update by any chance? no > > > o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times > > Don't know what that is. Reg cleaners shouldn't be run multiple times, > especially when the first time does nothing. Why so many times, and what > did it find? What did you let it repair? nothing major just trying to mention all things I have tried > > > o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro > > What version? That's a dangerous tool and you should probably revert its > changes back to what they were, especially since it didn't fix anything. With this and all the other tweaks I was able to increase the speed of the machine x3 but it is still very slow > > > o ran diskchk > > Did it report anything repaired in Event Viewer? no > > > o removed all printers > > unnecessary; should put them back and get them working again. > will do once the machine is running faster > > o ran spybot Good > > o ran adaware Good > > Also try the MS Malicious software tool, and HiJackThis. Be sure to read > the HiJack info before posting it anywhere and do NOT post the log here! forgot to mention that I have ran with no errors > > > > > bootvis > > > o did not display the graphs that I needed. > > o optimized system multi times > > Bootvis: That indicates a system problem, pretty sure. Something is > corrupted if Bootvis failed somehow, but it's entirely possible the > corruption was caused by some of your well meaning attempts at a fix. > Many people online report problems with bootvis after SP2 and it is no longer avail via MS web site. It also does not work on my home machine which is running fine. > > > > This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine > > when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of > > pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall. > > You haven't really provided a lot of information to work with, but that > almost sounds within reason if there has been a lot of graphic manipulation > and indexing is turned on Indexing is off , plus antivirus virus software has been removed and a few other possiblities. EXACTLY, Like what? > Honestly, "seemed to slow down" doesn't sound like a very serious problem > and IMO definitely didn't merit the amount of system area manipulation that > you've done. If it was a large amount of graphics, then just indexing would > make some delays noticeable. > If you really want to pursue this manually, my first advice would be to > put everything back the way it was (hopefully you backed it all up before > mucking with system areas), and start anew with a different troubleshooting > concept. I wouldn't even touch a machine like that might now be unless my > intent was to back up and reinstall. > From the above, if you haven't already, you may not have any choice but to > do a backup of ALL data, hopefully just Documents and Settings if everything > has been kept there as it was designed for. That way you get every file > created on the machine plus all Outlook, OE and IE files, etc.. > That will also be magnitudes faster than any manual method you're looking > at right now, I'm pretty sure. And then do a fresh, clean install right > from deleting and recreating the partition/s. > If she's not used My Documents for all her data though, the job will be > tougher to locate all her data. You'll have to look and see. > > If you don't have backup or imaging software, ntbackup.exe or backup.exe, > provided on the XP CD (or available for free download from MS), will do just > fine with the exception it won't write directly to DVD or CD and will not > compress data. It will however write to an external drive just fine, which > is the best way to do it, and the drive itself can be set to be compressed. > > IMO you very likely have a mess now. Bite the bullet, backup, and do a > clean install of her OS. Be certain you use her CDs by the way; do NOT use > your own unless you're sure of what you're doing and the nuances of > Activation, OEM vs Retail, etc etc etc. > And for the future, ask her to clarify "seems to"<g>. > > HTH > > Pop` I am sick of solving this type of problem via a reinstall and that is why I posted in this forum. Somebody must know how to isolate this type of problem and solve it. Also forgot to note that bios and all drivers have been reloaded and are current
Guest lawrence_@hotmail.com Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... set the page file to zero. defraged. set the page file to a fixed length. - no noticeable improvement disabled system restore - slight improvement Disabling Chkdsk - minor improvement
Guest Daave Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... lawrence_@hotmail.com wrote: > XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram > > o all current service patches. > o all drivers signed > o no network shares > o defraged with 0&0 multi times > o all clear in the event viewer > o majority of services disabled > o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times > o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro > o ran diskchk > o removed all printers > o ran spybot > o ran adaware > > > > bootvis > > o did not display the graphs that I needed. > o optimized system multi times > > This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine > when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of > pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall. Need more information. 1. How large is the hard drive and how much free space is left? 2. Were temp files cleaned out before the defrag. And if so, from which locations? 3. Did you scan for viruses? If so, with which program? Also, do you have it scheduled to scan your hard drive for viruses at startup? 4. Once the PC is finished starting up, does it run fine? 5. Did you try letting Windows manage your virtual memory? 6. What program does your friend use to view (or edit?) the pictures? Does it load at startup? 7. Why not post the contents of msconfig's Startup tab? There might be one or more unnecessary memory hogs running in the background.
Guest lawrence_@hotmail.com Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... problem solved. Hard Drive Controller I noticed that the hard drive light was on for the entire boot up process. I uninstalled and reinstalled both primary and secondary and it restored system performance. Hope this helps some one else out there. L
Guest Bob I Posted September 18, 2007 Posted September 18, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... That situation would be caused by the drive erroring out, and Windows switching the drive access to PIO from DMA. Removing and reinstalling, re-enabled DMA access. lawrence_@hotmail.com wrote: > problem solved. Hard Drive Controller > > I noticed that the hard drive light was on for the entire boot up > process. I uninstalled and reinstalled both primary and secondary and > it restored system performance. Hope this helps some one else out > there. > > L > > > >
Guest lawrence_@hotmail.com Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Slow Startup... I have tried everything but... On Sep 18, 6:14 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote: > That situation would be caused by the drive erroring out, and Windows > switching the drive access to PIO from DMA. Removing and reinstalling, > re-enabled DMA access. > > lawren...@hotmail.com wrote: > > problem solved. Hard Drive Controller > > > I noticed that the hard drive light was on for the entire boot up > > process. I uninstalled and reinstalled both primary and secondary and > > it restored system performance. Hope this helps some one else out > > there. > > > L Thanks thats good to know
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