Guest Unknown Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD I have never had a hard disk failure and when I do, I am prepared with my backup. "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message news:46fb4f49$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... > > "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message > news:%23xAOFgGAIHA.5488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Actually: Two backups are the recommended procedure if you actually read >> about real archiving. >> But you neatly sidestepped the possibility that was mentioned about >> your backup containing problems too that you don't realize are there. >> Some things can go for months before they become a problem. Some for >> week; some days, some immediately. >> >> Don't look now, but your ignorance and lack of experience are showing. >> You WILL find out soon enough. You've been lucky, not smart. >> > > There are two types of computer user > > Those who have had a hard disk die on them ... > > ... and those who are going to have a hard disk die on them. > > >
Guest Poprivet Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD Sorry, but that's experience and knowledge speaking. You WILL eventually understand. Your experience and intelligence level are displayed quite clearly in your words unless you lie, in which case it gets to be an even worse situation, meaning you might be a troll. Unknown wrote: > You don't know my experience level nor intelligence level so you're > the one displaying > ignorance by saying I will find out soon enough and that I have been > lucky. "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message > news:%23xAOFgGAIHA.5488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Actually: Two backups are the recommended procedure if you actually >> read about real archiving. >> But you neatly sidestepped the possibility that was mentioned >> about your backup containing problems too that you don't realize are >> there. Some things can go for months before they become a problem. Some >> for week; some days, some immediately. >> >> Don't look now, but your ignorance and lack of experience are >> showing. You WILL find out soon enough. You've been lucky, not >> smart. Unknown wrote: >>> And why wouldn't the installation on the backup work. >>> You're far too pessimistic. Would you suggest making two backups in >>> the event one doesn't work? >>> Do you know of anyone making two backups? >>> What would you do if your disk/s broke? Get two sets?? >>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:46fa04ce$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:oicKi.8872$JD.1941@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>>>> I would buy a new HD, format it and then copy my backup drive to >>>>> it. I.E. CD not needed. >>>> >>>> This is fine as long as the installation on the backup still >>>> works. What would you do if (say) your installation stopped seeing >>>> your broadband access and kept looping back to the Windows default >>>> port. A system restore failed to recover the situation, and none >>>> of the Microsoft knowledge base articles helped? You can't do a >>>> repair because you haven't got the disc. >>>> >>>> You would restore your backup only to discover that the seeds of >>>> the failure are in the backup and it stops seeing the broadband >>>> one week later. >>>> >>>> Niggling problems like this are not uncommon, and when you have >>>> enough of them it's time for a rebuild. >>>> >>>>> "smlunatick" <yveslec@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1190726500.411379.305980@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Sep 25, 12:05 am, "Jerry" <He...@spam.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "Purplelemonaid" <Purplelemon...@discussions.microsoft.com> >>>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> news:C4C57789-0441-4471-9B90-3CC7A4E5465A@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok I lost my installation and I know I am going to need for >>>>>>>> many things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have the Proof of Purchase Code and I am wondering if it is >>>>>>>> possilbe to >>>>>>>> get a new Windows Installation CD for Xp Home edition >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would want one also in your situation but I have to wonder, >>>>>>> what makes you >>>>>>> think you are going to need it for many things. What kinds of >>>>>>> things? Since I've installed my XP Home upgrade version over 4 >>>>>>> years ago, I have >>>>>>> never had a need to use the cd again. >>>>>> >>>>>> What would you do if your hard drive "bites the dust?"
Guest Poprivet Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD M.I.5¾ wrote: > "Michael Proctor" <proctor-michael@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:QSAKi.9101$JD.4708@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >> Unknown wrote: >>> And why wouldn't the installation on the backup work. >>> You're far too pessimistic. Would you suggest making two backups in >>> the event one doesn't work? >>> Do you know of anyone making two backups? >>> What would you do if your disk/s broke? Get two sets?? >>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:46fa04ce$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... >>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:oicKi.8872$JD.1941@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>>>> I would buy a new HD, format it and then copy my backup drive to >>>>> it. I.E. CD not needed. >>>> This is fine as long as the installation on the backup still works. >>>> What would you do if (say) your installation stopped seeing your >>>> broadband access and kept looping back to the Windows default >>>> port. A system restore failed to recover the situation, and none >>>> of the Microsoft knowledge base articles helped? You can't do a >>>> repair because you haven't got the disc. >>>> >>>> You would restore your backup only to discover that the seeds of >>>> the failure are in the backup and it stops seeing the broadband >>>> one week later. >>>> >>>> Niggling problems like this are not uncommon, and when you have >>>> enough of them it's time for a rebuild. >>>> >>>>> "smlunatick" <yveslec@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1190726500.411379.305980@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Sep 25, 12:05 am, "Jerry" <He...@spam.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "Purplelemonaid" <Purplelemon...@discussions.microsoft.com> >>>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> news:C4C57789-0441-4471-9B90-3CC7A4E5465A@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok I lost my installation and I know I am going to need for >>>>>>>> many things. >>>>>>>> I have the Proof of Purchase Code and I am wondering if it is >>>>>>>> possilbe to >>>>>>>> get a new Windows Installation CD for Xp Home edition >>>>>>> I would want one also in your situation but I have to wonder, >>>>>>> what makes you >>>>>>> think you are going to need it for many things. What kinds of >>>>>>> things? >>>>>>> Since I've installed my XP Home upgrade version over 4 years >>>>>>> ago, I have >>>>>>> never had a need to use the cd again. >>>>>> What would you do if your hard drive "bites the dust?" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> I ALWAYS make 2 copies of backups. One for here at the house, One >> to keep at a friends house. Just my 2 cents worth. > > What regime you adopt for your backup is entirely driven by what risk > you are prepared to run. I personally use a father/grandfather > system. Weekly, I do a differential backup to the older of my 2 > backups. If I need to restore, I use the most recent. If that > didn't work, then I would use the older backup. I have accepted the > risk that I might lose up to 2 week's data, but as I don't produce > that much, this represents an acceptable risk to me. The grandfather > backup is kept in the garage when not in use (separate building). > > In theory, I do 2 full backups monthly, but in practice this is > sometimes a bit lax and can be done up to 2 months later. Again, the > risk is acceptable to me in a home environment. > > If I was running a business that depended on the computerised data, > this would be totally inadequate. Wise words. I used to do similar except that every two months I gave my sister a full backup copy to keep and she give me hers. Now we each have 500 Gig external USB drives and just trade those every two months. So now it's just a drive swap. Pop`
Guest Unknown Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD I accept the fact that it is/was your experience but knowledge??? We don't know what caused your bad experience. "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:OvXVMeRAIHA.5868@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Sorry, but that's experience and knowledge speaking. You WILL eventually > understand. Your experience and intelligence level are displayed quite > clearly in your words unless you lie, in which case it gets to be an even > worse situation, meaning you might be a troll. > > > > Unknown wrote: >> You don't know my experience level nor intelligence level so you're >> the one displaying >> ignorance by saying I will find out soon enough and that I have been >> lucky. "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message >> news:%23xAOFgGAIHA.5488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Actually: Two backups are the recommended procedure if you actually >>> read about real archiving. >>> But you neatly sidestepped the possibility that was mentioned >>> about your backup containing problems too that you don't realize are >>> there. Some things can go for months before they become a problem. Some >>> for week; some days, some immediately. >>> >>> Don't look now, but your ignorance and lack of experience are >>> showing. You WILL find out soon enough. You've been lucky, not >>> smart. Unknown wrote: >>>> And why wouldn't the installation on the backup work. >>>> You're far too pessimistic. Would you suggest making two backups in >>>> the event one doesn't work? >>>> Do you know of anyone making two backups? >>>> What would you do if your disk/s broke? Get two sets?? >>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:46fa04ce$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... >>>>> >>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>> news:oicKi.8872$JD.1941@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>> I would buy a new HD, format it and then copy my backup drive to >>>>>> it. I.E. CD not needed. >>>>> >>>>> This is fine as long as the installation on the backup still >>>>> works. What would you do if (say) your installation stopped seeing >>>>> your broadband access and kept looping back to the Windows default >>>>> port. A system restore failed to recover the situation, and none >>>>> of the Microsoft knowledge base articles helped? You can't do a >>>>> repair because you haven't got the disc. >>>>> >>>>> You would restore your backup only to discover that the seeds of >>>>> the failure are in the backup and it stops seeing the broadband >>>>> one week later. >>>>> >>>>> Niggling problems like this are not uncommon, and when you have >>>>> enough of them it's time for a rebuild. >>>>> >>>>>> "smlunatick" <yveslec@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:1190726500.411379.305980@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Sep 25, 12:05 am, "Jerry" <He...@spam.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "Purplelemonaid" <Purplelemon...@discussions.microsoft.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> news:C4C57789-0441-4471-9B90-3CC7A4E5465A@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok I lost my installation and I know I am going to need for >>>>>>>>> many things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have the Proof of Purchase Code and I am wondering if it is >>>>>>>>> possilbe to >>>>>>>>> get a new Windows Installation CD for Xp Home edition >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would want one also in your situation but I have to wonder, >>>>>>>> what makes you >>>>>>>> think you are going to need it for many things. What kinds of >>>>>>>> things? Since I've installed my XP Home upgrade version over 4 >>>>>>>> years ago, I have >>>>>>>> never had a need to use the cd again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What would you do if your hard drive "bites the dust?" > > >
Guest cornedbeef007-groups@yahoo.com.au Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: OT Re: Lost Installation CD Re: OT Re: Lost Installation CD > > It never ceases to amaze/amuze me how, when one, logical, correct response > turns up to a post here, how twenty more dummies crawl out of the ether to > go off topic, repeat the same information, and ask totally unrelated > questions of the OP after the question has been properly responded to. > > This newsgroup has lost a lot of its effectiveness for that reason. When > newbie sees all that misinformation and irrelevant questions and comments, > he just ends up more confused. I suspect these lazy narcissists don't read > any of the responses but just jump in with their own "looka me ma" crap. > > Pop` Thanks Pop' My thoughts too! Good Luck.
Guest M.I.5¾ Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:OCPKi.55485$YL5.50835@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >I have never had a hard disk failure and when I do, I am prepared with my >backup. and if you backup is corrupt or unreadable? > "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message > news:46fb4f49$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... >> >> "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message >> news:%23xAOFgGAIHA.5488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Actually: Two backups are the recommended procedure if you actually >>> read about real archiving. >>> But you neatly sidestepped the possibility that was mentioned about >>> your backup containing problems too that you don't realize are there. >>> Some things can go for months before they become a problem. Some for >>> week; some days, some immediately. >>> >>> Don't look now, but your ignorance and lack of experience are showing. >>> You WILL find out soon enough. You've been lucky, not smart. >>> >> >> There are two types of computer user >> >> Those who have had a hard disk die on them ... >> >> ... and those who are going to have a hard disk die on them. >> >> >> > >
Guest M.I.5¾ Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:IAPKi.55483$YL5.25978@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > This entire ridiculous string of posts has occurred simply because I gave > an example of > when the XP CD's are not needed. I.E. re-installing Windows. (Use a > backup). > It has degraded to what ifs. What if this what if that. > Some people even make two backups, one to store somewhere else in the > event their home burns down. > I do not run a business, am not paranoid so back up only once. My risk. > I do not care what if this, what if that. I am satisfied and I might add, > I haven't had a problem in the last 11 years. Fine. Then as long as you have identified the risk and accepted it, you should be entirely confident. The nub behind the string of posts was that you could substantially mitigate your risk with little investment or effort by having 2 backups instead of one. But as has been said, it is whatever risk you are prepared to run.
Guest Unknown Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD After doing a backup I always check it. You can go overboard. What if three backups are corrupt or unreadable. I don't have millions of dollars at risk and neither does 99% of home users. One is enough. Even ten backups are no good if the drive you're backing up is corrupt. "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message news:46fca9a0$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... > > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:OCPKi.55485$YL5.50835@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >>I have never had a hard disk failure and when I do, I am prepared with my >>backup. > > and if you backup is corrupt or unreadable? > >> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:46fb4f49$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net... >>> >>> "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23xAOFgGAIHA.5488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Actually: Two backups are the recommended procedure if you actually >>>> read about real archiving. >>>> But you neatly sidestepped the possibility that was mentioned about >>>> your backup containing problems too that you don't realize are there. >>>> Some things can go for months before they become a problem. Some for >>>> week; some days, some immediately. >>>> >>>> Don't look now, but your ignorance and lack of experience are showing. >>>> You WILL find out soon enough. You've been lucky, not smart. >>>> >>> >>> There are two types of computer user >>> >>> Those who have had a hard disk die on them ... >>> >>> ... and those who are going to have a hard disk die on them. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Lexxstar Posted September 30, 2007 Posted September 30, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD I have never had an Installation CD, I paid fot it in the package I got, but the manufacturers iQon Technologies, hummed and hawed about giving me a Windows XP installation CD, eventually they said I would have to but it from them at the cost of £60.00 needless to say I didn't buy it as I was disgusted withtheur attitude. I believe they use the same installation CD to install on multiple computers, if not why couldn't they give me the disk for my PC? -- Lexxstar "Bruce Chambers" wrote: > Purplelemonaid wrote: > > THe thing is m computer is getting filled with junk and I want a fresh start > > so I am going to format > > > > > Throwing out the baby with the bath water? Why not simply delete the > "junk?" > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot >
Guest Daave Posted September 30, 2007 Posted September 30, 2007 Re: Lost Installation CD Unless I'm overlooking something, your reply is quite a non sequitur! Lexxstar wrote: > I have never had an Installation CD, I paid fot it in the package I > got, but the manufacturers iQon Technologies, hummed and hawed about > giving me a > Windows XP installation CD, eventually they said I would have to but > it from them at the cost of £60.00 needless to say I didn't buy it as > I was disgusted withtheur attitude. I believe they use the same > installation CD to install on multiple computers, if not why couldn't > they give me the disk for my PC? > >> Purplelemonaid wrote: >>> THe thing is m computer is getting filled with junk and I want a >>> fresh start so I am going to format >>> >> >> >> Throwing out the baby with the bath water? Why not simply delete the >> "junk?" >> >> >> -- >> >> Bruce Chambers >> >> Help us help you: >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> >> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin >> >> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand >> Russell >> >> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has >> killed a great many philosophers. >> ~ Denis Diderot
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