Guest Dave Mc Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one manually and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I reboot, however, the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system restore services are running, not at all low on disk space. Any ideas ??
Guest PA Bear Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points Start here: http://bertk.mvps.org/ -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.org/ Dave Mc wrote: > I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one manually > and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I reboot, however, > the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system restore services are > running, not at all low on disk space. Any ideas ??
Guest Harry Ohrn Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points Bert Kinney MS MVP has arguably the best resource available on System Restore. See if it points you in a direction that is helpful http://bertk.mvps.org/ -- Harry Ohrn MS MVP [shell\\User] http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp "Dave Mc" <DaveMc@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D245E1A5-F76B-498B-8741-04B7E6AB27CE@microsoft.com... >I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one manually > and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I reboot, however, > the > restore point is gone. Sceduler and system restore services are running, > not > at all low on disk space. Any ideas ??
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points Dave Mc wrote: > I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one > manually and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I > reboot, however, the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system > restore services are running, not at all low on disk space. Any > ideas ?? What are the settings? It is recommended that you set the system restore size to around 1GB - anything above that may cause corruption, etc. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest WaIIy Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:19:57 -0500, "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote: >Dave Mc wrote: >> I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one >> manually and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I >> reboot, however, the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system >> restore services are running, not at all low on disk space. Any >> ideas ?? > >What are the settings? >It is recommended that you set the system restore size to around 1GB - >anything above that may cause corruption, etc. > >-- >Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP >-- >How To Ask Questions The Smart Way >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Not according to the people that anointed you. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points Dave Mc wrote: > I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one > manually and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I > reboot, however, the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system > restore services are running, not at all low on disk space. Any > ideas ?? Shenan Stanley wrote: > What are the settings? > It is recommended that you set the system restore size to around > 1GB - anything above that may cause corruption, etc. WaIIy wrote: > Not according to the people that anointed you. > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx Where in that document is there a recommendation for a specific size that contradicts what I just said? It only states the defaults that I see... I defer to common sense and experience over time for my recommendation... See Bert Kinney's web page on System Restore: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html Specifically: Adjust the Disk Space Used (or data store) by System Restore. By default System Restore will use 12% disk space for most size drives. With new larger drives the data store can get quite large, which has been know to cause problems in System Restore. Setting the data store to just under 1GB should be adequate. Note: Reducing the data store size will purge the oldest restore points on a FIFO (first in first out) bases and leave as many recent restore points as the new size will allow. Restore points over 90 days are purged automatically by default. As for 'those who annointed' me <- so? They decided to award me for volunteering my time and knowledge on a specific subject to help others seeking help in these newsgroups. I did not ask for the award, nor does it have any effect on how I answer questions. I answered questions here before the award, I will likely answer questions here after the award is gone. I try not to lean in any one direction when I answer questions and only give the answers I think are the best/most complete that I can give. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Bert Kinney Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points Hi Dave, Take a look at this page in particular. Troubleshooting missing restore points: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/missingrps.html Regards, Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User http://bertk.mvps.org Member: http://dts-l.org Dave Mc wrote: > I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one manually > and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I reboot, however, the > restore point is gone. Sceduler and system restore services are running, not > at all low on disk space. Any ideas ??
Guest Bert Kinney Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points >> Dave Mc wrote: >>> I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one >>> manually and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I >>> reboot, however, the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system >>> restore services are running, not at all low on disk space. Any ideas ?? "Shenan Stanley" wrote: >> What are the settings? >> It is recommended that you set the system restore size to around 1GB - >> anything above that may cause corruption, etc. >> >> -- >> Shenan Stanley >> MS-MVP >> -- >> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html WaIIy wrote: > Not according to the people that anointed you. > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx Hi WaIIy, When XP shipped in late 2001 the average drive size was small, compared too todays standards. Twelve percent of say a 200 GB partition is 24 GB's, this is far to much space to have set aside for holding restore points. Prier to the introduction of Service Pack 2 for XP there were problems with restore point corruption when storing large amounts of restore points. This is when the it was first suggested to decrease the amount of space used to around 1 GB. Post Service Pack 2 this is much less of a problem. In real world practice it is still a good suggestion. The default setting for holding restore points for 90 is much to large and misleading. Why? Restoring back more than an week or two can ofter cause more problems then it solves. Any updates installed after the restore point being used will be removed. And need to be reinstalled. More inportantly, most applications installed after the restore point may not function. What happens is, System Restore only removes monitored files for the installed applications and the remaining files are left behind. This can cause the application not to function. And in some cases, can also cause the uninstall and reinstall process of the partially removed application to fail. It is recommended to uninstall any applications that were installed after the restore point you will be restoring to. Every system setting and registry entry made after the restore point will be gone. For best results System Restore should be used ASAP after a problem is detected. The monitoring all drives/partitions by default was a good intension, but proved to cause additional problems, particularly when it comes to external and and thumb drive, which were not very common back in 2001. The monitoring of recovery partitions placed on the drive by OEM manufactures also lead to restore point loss. In Windows Vista only the system partition is monitored by default. :) So you can see that over the years we have found that changes have had to be made in how we configure and use System Restore in XP to provide best results. Regards, Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User http://bertk.mvps.org Member: http://dts-l.org
Guest WaIIy Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:13:58 -0500, "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote: >Dave Mc wrote: >> I looked at my restore points and there were none. I created one >> manually and went back to see if it was there and it was. When I >> reboot, however, the restore point is gone. Sceduler and system >> restore services are running, not at all low on disk space. Any >> ideas ?? > >Shenan Stanley wrote: >> What are the settings? >> It is recommended that you set the system restore size to around >> 1GB - anything above that may cause corruption, etc. > >WaIIy wrote: >> Not according to the people that anointed you. >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx > >Where in that document is there a recommendation for a specific size that >contradicts what I just said? Here - Q. How can I set the amount of space System Restore uses on my disk? A. Select Start, then Control Panel and double-click the System icon. Then click on the System Restore tab on the dialog box. Depending on your disk setup, do the following: • Single partition: Adjust the space system restore uses on the disk by moving the slider left to decrease space usage, or right to increase space usage. The default maximum space usage is 12%. • Multiple partitions or multiple disks: Click on the drive you want to adjust in the available drives section on the System Restore page and then click the settings option. You can then adjust the space system restore uses on that drive by moving the slider to the left to decrease space usage, or right to increase space usage. The default maximum space usage is 12%. Repeat for each drive as necessary. =============== Microsoft doesn't restrict, nor recommend restricting System Restore to one gig. >It only states the defaults that I see... Which in this day and age is way more than one gig. >I defer to common sense and experience over time for my recommendation... > >See Bert Kinney's web page on System Restore: >http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html > >Specifically: >Adjust the Disk Space Used (or data store) by System Restore. By default >System Restore will use 12% disk space for most size drives. With new larger >drives the data store can get quite large, which has been know to cause >problems in System Restore. Setting the data store to just under 1GB should >be adequate. Note: Reducing the data store size will purge the oldest >restore points on a FIFO (first in first out) bases and leave as many recent >restore points as the new size will allow. Restore points over 90 days are >purged automatically by default. What "problems" does a 12% System Restore create? What are the problems with a System Restore over a gig. The site you referred to, no you, yourself have stated the problems. I just would like to know why Microsoft says 12% is okay and you don't. > >As for 'those who annointed' me <- so? They decided to award me for >volunteering my time and knowledge on a specific subject to help others >seeking help in these newsgroups. I did not ask for the award, nor does it >have any effect on how I answer questions. I answered questions here before >the award, I will likely answer questions here after the award is gone. I >try not to lean in any one direction when I answer questions and only give >the answers I think are the best/most complete that I can give. Sorry about the wisecrack, it was unwarranted and undeserved.
Guest WaIIy Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Restore points On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:45:25 -0400, Bert Kinney <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote: <snipped for brevity oney> >So you can see that over the years we have found that changes have had to be >made in how we configure and use System Restore in XP to provide best results. > >Regards, >Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User >http://bertk.mvps.org >Member: http://dts-l.org I appreciate you taking the time to explain this in detail and I once again apologize to you and the group for being a smartass.
Guest Bert Kinney Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Restore points WaIIy wrote: > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:45:25 -0400, Bert Kinney <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote: > > <snipped for brevity oney> >> So you can see that over the years we have found that changes have had to be >> made in how we configure and use System Restore in XP to provide best results. >> >> Regards, >> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://bertk.mvps.org >> Member: http://dts-l.org > > > I appreciate you taking the time to explain this in detail and I once > again apologize to you and the group for being a smartass. You're welcome WaIIy. Glad to be of help. Regards, Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User http://bertk.mvps.org Member: http://dts-l.org
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