Guest mike2117 Posted October 1, 2007 Posted October 1, 2007 I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would work. I would like to know what product number is used in the full install version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to another at later date. To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut? Thanks in advance, Mike
Guest peter Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? here is a site that lists that part number...its the letters after you need to know http://www.dealtime.com/xGS-n09_00048 peter "mike2117" <mike2117@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DE590C25-37C2-4722-B0AC-6B9F38682CBF@microsoft.com... > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install because I > don't have good restore disks or partition that would work. > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can install > on > another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want the one that is > restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to another at later date. > > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis N09-00048, > is > this the full install or the oem shortcut? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike >
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? mike2117 wrote: > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install > because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would > work. > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can > install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want > the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to > another at later date. > > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis > N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut? If it does not SPECIFY 'retail' - I wouldn't bother buying. And you might as well buy the full retail - not an upgrade retail. In other words - buy from someone trustworthy and get only the one described as 'retail'. If you see OEM anywhere in the description - don't buy. If it does not come in an elaborate box, don't buy. If it comes in a cellophane wrapped sheet of cardboard with a sticker you can peel and put on your computer - don't buy. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest mike2117 Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Then if it says "RB" I assume that stands for retail box? That's the one I want and that's the only one they should be selling "Shenan Stanley" wrote: > mike2117 wrote: > > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install > > because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would > > work. > > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install > > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can > > install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want > > the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to > > another at later date. > > > > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis > > N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut? > > If it does not SPECIFY 'retail' - I wouldn't bother buying. > And you might as well buy the full retail - not an upgrade retail. > > In other words - buy from someone trustworthy and get only the one described > as 'retail'. If you see OEM anywhere in the description - don't buy. If it > does not come in an elaborate box, don't buy. If it comes in a cellophane > wrapped sheet of cardboard with a sticker you can peel and put on your > computer - don't buy. > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > >
Guest Lil' Dave Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? "mike2117" <mike2117@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DE590C25-37C2-4722-B0AC-6B9F38682CBF@microsoft.com... > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install because I What machine? > don't have good restore disks or partition that would work. Are you insinuating it did before? > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can install > on > another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want the one that is > restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to another at later date. > > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis N09-00048, > is > this the full install or the oem shortcut? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike > Don't like your post. Seems you already know the answer based on info provided so far regarding what you already have. What does control panel/system/general tab say other than your designated name, registered to? See "OEM" in there? There's nothing wrong with OEM retail, unless you intend to do an upgrade over a previous MS OS. Dave
Guest PA Bear Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? You get what you pay for: If the price seems unbelievably low, it's OEM. mike2117 wrote: > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install because I > don't have good restore disks or partition that would work. > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can install > on > another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want the one that is > restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to another at later date. > > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis N09-00048, > is > this the full install or the oem shortcut? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike
Guest peter Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Everybody puts the poor OEM version down......... I own 2 licenses one Retail Upgrade...another Retail OEM.I know what each is capable of being installed on and the limitations of the EULA. I know both version have the exact same XP. I have used the OEM version on 3 computers......each time I have rebuild a system with new mobo,CPU chip...or new RAM I have reinstalled the OEM XP. Each time I have been able to activate it online...I guess because the time between installations was longer than 120 days.Yes I had to do a NEW installation each time but it did not take forever to reinstall programs and I back up personal stuff as well as XP settings.To me it was a $100 savings..... Installation work.....vs......money saved peter "mike2117" <mike2117@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:28DEDF53-B23E-4324-AB24-0068BE23BFD6@microsoft.com... > > Then if it says "RB" I assume that stands for retail box? That's the one I > want and that's the only one they should be selling > "Shenan Stanley" wrote: > >> mike2117 wrote: >> > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install >> > because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would >> > work. >> > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install >> > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can >> > install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want >> > the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to >> > another at later date. >> > >> > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis >> > N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut? >> >> If it does not SPECIFY 'retail' - I wouldn't bother buying. >> And you might as well buy the full retail - not an upgrade retail. >> >> In other words - buy from someone trustworthy and get only the one >> described >> as 'retail'. If you see OEM anywhere in the description - don't buy. If >> it >> does not come in an elaborate box, don't buy. If it comes in a >> cellophane >> wrapped sheet of cardboard with a sticker you can peel and put on your >> computer - don't buy. >> >> -- >> Shenan Stanley >> MS-MVP >> -- >> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> >> >>
Guest Bob I Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? I guess if you are the sort that doesn't keep your agreements then what the heck. And then people wonder why Microsoft keeps cranking on the activation!?!?! Damn thieves just make it more difficult for the rest of us. peter wrote: > Everybody puts the poor OEM version down......... > I own 2 licenses one Retail Upgrade...another Retail OEM.I know what > each is capable of being installed on and the limitations of the EULA. > I know both version have the exact same XP. > I have used the OEM version on 3 computers......each time I have rebuild > a system with new mobo,CPU chip...or new RAM I have reinstalled the OEM XP. > Each time I have been able to activate it online...I guess because the > time between installations was longer than 120 days.Yes I had to do a > NEW installation each time but it did not take forever to reinstall > programs and I back up personal stuff as well as XP settings.To me it > was a $100 savings..... > Installation work.....vs......money saved > peter > "mike2117" <mike2117@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:28DEDF53-B23E-4324-AB24-0068BE23BFD6@microsoft.com... > >> >> Then if it says "RB" I assume that stands for retail box? That's the >> one I >> want and that's the only one they should be selling >> "Shenan Stanley" wrote: >> >>> mike2117 wrote: >>> > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install >>> > because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would >>> > work. >>> > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install >>> > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can >>> > install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want >>> > the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to >>> > another at later date. >>> > >>> > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis >>> > N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut? >>> >>> If it does not SPECIFY 'retail' - I wouldn't bother buying. >>> And you might as well buy the full retail - not an upgrade retail. >>> >>> In other words - buy from someone trustworthy and get only the one >>> described >>> as 'retail'. If you see OEM anywhere in the description - don't >>> buy. If it >>> does not come in an elaborate box, don't buy. If it comes in a >>> cellophane >>> wrapped sheet of cardboard with a sticker you can peel and put on your >>> computer - don't buy. >>> >>> -- >>> Shenan Stanley >>> MS-MVP >>> -- >>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>> >>> >>> >
Guest Alias Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Bob I wrote: Top posting corrected; see below. > peter wrote: > >> Everybody puts the poor OEM version down......... >> I own 2 licenses one Retail Upgrade...another Retail OEM.I know what >> each is capable of being installed on and the limitations of the EULA. >> I know both version have the exact same XP. >> I have used the OEM version on 3 computers......each time I have >> rebuild a system with new mobo,CPU chip...or new RAM I have >> reinstalled the OEM XP. >> Each time I have been able to activate it online...I guess because the >> time between installations was longer than 120 days.Yes I had to do a >> NEW installation each time but it did not take forever to reinstall >> programs and I back up personal stuff as well as XP settings.To me it >> was a $100 savings..... >> Installation work.....vs......money saved >> peter >> "mike2117" <mike2117@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:28DEDF53-B23E-4324-AB24-0068BE23BFD6@microsoft.com... >> >>> >>> Then if it says "RB" I assume that stands for retail box? That's the >>> one I >>> want and that's the only one they should be selling >>> "Shenan Stanley" wrote: >>> >>>> mike2117 wrote: >>>> > I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install >>>> > because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would >>>> > work. >>>> > I would like to know what product number is used in the full install >>>> > version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can >>>> > install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want >>>> > the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to >>>> > another at later date. >>>> > >>>> > To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis >>>> > N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut? >>>> >>>> If it does not SPECIFY 'retail' - I wouldn't bother buying. >>>> And you might as well buy the full retail - not an upgrade retail. >>>> >>>> In other words - buy from someone trustworthy and get only the one >>>> described >>>> as 'retail'. If you see OEM anywhere in the description - don't >>>> buy. If it >>>> does not come in an elaborate box, don't buy. If it comes in a >>>> cellophane >>>> wrapped sheet of cardboard with a sticker you can peel and put on your >>>> computer - don't buy. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Shenan Stanley >>>> MS-MVP >>>> -- >>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way >>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > I guess if you are the sort that doesn't keep your agreements then what > the heck. And then people wonder why Microsoft keeps cranking on the > activation!?!?! Damn thieves just make it more difficult for the rest of > us. And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest HeyBub Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Alias wrote: >>> >> I guess if you are the sort that doesn't keep your agreements then >> what the heck. And then people wonder why Microsoft keeps cranking >> on the activation!?!?! Damn thieves just make it more difficult for >> the rest of us. > > And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers.
Guest Alias Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? HeyBub wrote: > Alias wrote: >>> I guess if you are the sort that doesn't keep your agreements then >>> what the heck. And then people wonder why Microsoft keeps cranking >>> on the activation!?!?! Damn thieves just make it more difficult for >>> the rest of us. >> And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? > > The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers. > > I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or Retail on more than one computer simultaneously. Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer to another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN STOLEN!!! The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same thing, however, is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!! -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest HeyBub Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Alias wrote: >>> And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? >> >> The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers. >> >> > > I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked > what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or > Retail on more than one computer simultaneously. > > Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer to > another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN STOLEN!!! > The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same thing, however, > is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!! Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty in the marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was ripped, and integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are the reason honest folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, copy-protection, chips in toner cartridges, burglar alarms, and invasive inspections at airports. Fortunately, very few people since the Magna Carta in 1216 (and possibly since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of either "stolen" or "robbery." Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are in jail. Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one computer should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun them, but feel pity for their mothers.
Guest Alias Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? HeyBub wrote: > Alias wrote: >>>> And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? >>> The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers. >>> >>> >> I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked >> what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or >> Retail on more than one computer simultaneously. >> >> Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer to >> another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN STOLEN!!! >> The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same thing, however, >> is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!! > > Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty in the > marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was ripped, and > integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are the reason honest > folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, copy-protection, chips in toner > cartridges, burglar alarms, and invasive inspections at airports. > > Fortunately, very few people since the Magna Carta in 1216 (and possibly > since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of either "stolen" > or "robbery." > > Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are in > jail. > > Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one computer > should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun them, but feel > pity for their mothers. > > When you get down from your high moral horse, let me know. I never suggested simultaneous use of an OEM distribution on more than one machine or retail for that matter. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? peter wrote: <snip> > I agreed to use the OS on one system..........thats what I am > doing. What designates a system is still up to interpretation....do > I have a "new" system when I change the RAM.....or when I change > the CPU........or what if I keep the CPU and RAM and just change > the Mobo???? Actually - I thought changes to the EULA a few years back on OEM licenses for Windows cleared that up... Microsoft License FAQs - Word Document... http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc #11... .... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system license (not upgrade) is required. ... Also see here: http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html Which takes you (or can) to: http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm Of which the email from Microsoft - the first paragraph in fact - is the most pertinent to this discussion. Interpretation? -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest norm Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Shenan Stanley wrote: > peter wrote: > <snip> >> I agreed to use the OS on one system..........thats what I am >> doing. What designates a system is still up to interpretation....do >> I have a "new" system when I change the RAM.....or when I change >> the CPU........or what if I keep the CPU and RAM and just change >> the Mobo???? > > Actually - I thought changes to the EULA a few years back on OEM licenses > for Windows cleared that up... > > Microsoft License FAQs - Word Document... > http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc > > #11... > ... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal > computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred > from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or > replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been > created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system > license (not upgrade) is required. ... > > Also see here: > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html > Which takes you (or can) to: > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm > > Of which the email from Microsoft - the first paragraph in fact - is the > most pertinent to this discussion. Interpretation? > I just read through the xp oem eula from an installation I did on a machine that I built and use. Nowhere in the eula is the mb mentioned or cited. It would seem that the eula, not license faqs, would be the only document that has any bearing, as that is the only document the home installer using legally purchased oem software is required to agree with in order to use the software. -- norm
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? norm wrote: > I just read through the xp oem eula from an installation I did on a > machine that I built and use. Nowhere in the eula is the mb > mentioned or cited. It would seem that the eula, not license faqs, > would be the only document that has any bearing, as that is the > only document the home installer using legally purchased oem > software is required to agree with in order to use the software. How old is that OEM version - when was it purchased? I cannot disagree with that - since most of the Microsoft EULAs I have seen contain: 18. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This EULA (including any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included with the Product) are the entire agreement between you and Microsoft relating to the Product and the support services (if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous oral or written communications, proposals and representations with respect to the Product or any other subject matter covered by this EULA. To the extent the terms of any Microsoft policies or programs for support services conflict with the terms of this EULA, the terms of this EULA shall control. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest norm Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Shenan Stanley wrote: > norm wrote: >> I just read through the xp oem eula from an installation I did on a >> machine that I built and use. Nowhere in the eula is the mb >> mentioned or cited. It would seem that the eula, not license faqs, >> would be the only document that has any bearing, as that is the >> only document the home installer using legally purchased oem >> software is required to agree with in order to use the software. > > How old is that OEM version - when was it purchased? > > I cannot disagree with that - since most of the Microsoft EULAs I have seen > contain: > > 18. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This EULA (including > any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included > with the Product) are the entire agreement between you and > Microsoft relating to the Product and the support services > (if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous > oral or written communications, proposals and > representations with respect to the Product or any other > subject matter covered by this EULA. To the extent the > terms of any Microsoft policies or programs for support > services conflict with the terms of this EULA, the terms > of this EULA shall control. > I can't say for sure, but I believe the software was purchased within the last year. I do have an oem vista home premium version purchased within the last 6 months with which to make a eula comparison, and the vista eula also does not mention or cite the mb. I have read in this ng that if the home builder uses an oem version, that he or she then has the right to determine what is acceptable or not in terms of hardware replacement. It might be correct info or not. -- norm
Guest HeyBub Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Alias wrote: > HeyBub wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>>>> And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? >>>> The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers. >>>> >>>> >>> I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked >>> what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or >>> Retail on more than one computer simultaneously. >>> >>> Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer >>> to another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN >>> STOLEN!!! The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same >>> thing, however, is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!! >> >> Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty >> in the marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was >> ripped, and integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are >> the reason honest folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, >> copy-protection, chips in toner cartridges, burglar alarms, and >> invasive inspections at airports. Fortunately, very few people since the >> Magna Carta in 1216 (and >> possibly since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of >> either "stolen" or "robbery." >> >> Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are >> in jail. >> >> Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one >> computer should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun >> them, but feel pity for their mothers. >> >> > > When you get down from your high moral horse, let me know. I never > suggested simultaneous use of an OEM distribution on more than one > machine or retail for that matter. Adding prevarication to your list of attributes is moving in the wrong moral direction. I'm going to pray to Baby Jesus.
Guest dobey Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23%23h5$HWBIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Alias wrote: >> HeyBub wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? >>>>> The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked >>>> what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or >>>> Retail on more than one computer simultaneously. >>>> >>>> Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer >>>> to another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN >>>> STOLEN!!! The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same >>>> thing, however, is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!! >>> >>> Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty >>> in the marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was >>> ripped, and integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are >>> the reason honest folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, >>> copy-protection, chips in toner cartridges, burglar alarms, and >>> invasive inspections at airports. Fortunately, very few people since the >>> Magna Carta in 1216 (and >>> possibly since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of >>> either "stolen" or "robbery." >>> >>> Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are >>> in jail. >>> >>> Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one >>> computer should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun >>> them, but feel pity for their mothers. >>> >>> >> >> When you get down from your high moral horse, let me know. I never >> suggested simultaneous use of an OEM distribution on more than one >> machine or retail for that matter. > > Adding prevarication to your list of attributes is moving in the wrong > moral direction. > > I'm going to pray to Baby Jesus. > Ask him to bring me a beer will you?
Guest Alias Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? HeyBub wrote: > Alias wrote: >> HeyBub wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen? >>>>> The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked >>>> what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or >>>> Retail on more than one computer simultaneously. >>>> >>>> Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer >>>> to another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN >>>> STOLEN!!! The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same >>>> thing, however, is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!! >>> Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty >>> in the marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was >>> ripped, and integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are >>> the reason honest folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, >>> copy-protection, chips in toner cartridges, burglar alarms, and >>> invasive inspections at airports. Fortunately, very few people since the >>> Magna Carta in 1216 (and >>> possibly since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of >>> either "stolen" or "robbery." >>> >>> Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are >>> in jail. >>> >>> Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one >>> computer should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun >>> them, but feel pity for their mothers. >>> >>> >> When you get down from your high moral horse, let me know. I never >> suggested simultaneous use of an OEM distribution on more than one >> machine or retail for that matter. > > Adding prevarication to your list of attributes is moving in the wrong moral > direction. Considering that I did not prevaricate, your point is mute and a prevarication. > > I'm going to pray to Baby Jesus. > > You mean that bloody guy you think got strung up on a cross who has *saved* no one and who probably married Magdalena, moved to India, had a slew of kids and died of old age as a Buddhist? Do you also believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Peter Pan? -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest peter Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? So in all cases where I upgraded the mobo I could claim "If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC. The replacement motherboard must be the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent." Since I am my own OEM System Builder.........I can determine wether a mobo is defective and what to replace it with if they do not manufacture the "defective" board anymore...........???? I could have sworn thats what I did peter "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23ZqyvDVBIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > peter wrote: > <snip> >> I agreed to use the OS on one system..........thats what I am >> doing. What designates a system is still up to interpretation....do >> I have a "new" system when I change the RAM.....or when I change >> the CPU........or what if I keep the CPU and RAM and just change >> the Mobo???? > > Actually - I thought changes to the EULA a few years back on OEM licenses > for Windows cleared that up... > > Microsoft License FAQs - Word Document... > http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc > > #11... > ... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new > personal computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be > transferred from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is > upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer > has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating > system license (not upgrade) is required. ... > > Also see here: > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html > Which takes you (or can) to: > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm > > Of which the email from Microsoft - the first paragraph in fact - is the > most pertinent to this discussion. Interpretation? > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
Guest peter Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure? Actually my OEM version is an old one..........2004 if I remember right which would be before the EULA clarification change. I had agreed to the old EULA when I installed the software...........I have never agreed to the newer version. Wasn't there a court case a while back with a cell phone company where they send out a change to their original contract and when they decided to enforce that new contract customers objected and basically said.we agreed to the old not the new..and the court was on the customers side???? peter "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uab6XdVBIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > norm wrote: >> I just read through the xp oem eula from an installation I did on a >> machine that I built and use. Nowhere in the eula is the mb >> mentioned or cited. It would seem that the eula, not license faqs, >> would be the only document that has any bearing, as that is the >> only document the home installer using legally purchased oem >> software is required to agree with in order to use the software. > > How old is that OEM version - when was it purchased? > > I cannot disagree with that - since most of the Microsoft EULAs I have > seen contain: > > 18. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This EULA (including > any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included > with the Product) are the entire agreement between you and > Microsoft relating to the Product and the support services > (if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous > oral or written communications, proposals and > representations with respect to the Product or any other > subject matter covered by this EULA. To the extent the > terms of any Microsoft policies or programs for support > services conflict with the terms of this EULA, the terms > of this EULA shall control. > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
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