Guest JSoul Rocks Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Here's a strange problem I have. My laptop has 2GB of RAM in it, plenty to run XP. It's a Dell XPS m1210. Especially after waking up after sleep (as well as not), it seems to have "out of memory" issues even though there isn't much open and Windows Task Manager says there is plenty of available RAM. What will happen is that if I have 3 tabs open in IE, for example, if I click on a link to open another window there is a blink and nothing happens. Try to open a folder and either nothing will happen or a new window will open but white and blank. Try to right click on a menu item and either no menu disappears or you'll be missing a lot of the right click menu items normally there. Try to right click on a link to open to a new tab in IE and either a new tab won't open or the tab will open but a page won't load. On occasion trying to open a window will yield and out of memory error. You can close most of the windows and still have these same errors after opening just one folder. Has anyone seen this? It's a horrific problem I'm having again with XP...
Guest Gerry Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak? You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures for the 6 processes using the largest amounts? Do you leave the computer on 24/7 I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more informative. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~JSoul Rocks wrote: > Here's a strange problem I have. My laptop has 2GB of RAM in it, > plenty to run XP. It's a Dell XPS m1210. Especially after waking up > after sleep (as well as not), it seems to have "out of memory" issues > even though there isn't much open and Windows Task Manager says there > is plenty of available RAM. What will happen is that if I have 3 tabs > open in IE, for example, if I click on a link to open another window > there is a blink and nothing happens. Try to open a folder and either > nothing will happen or a new window will open but white and blank. Try > to right click on a menu item and either no menu disappears or you'll > be missing a lot of the right click menu items normally there. Try to > right click on a link to open to a new tab in IE and either a new tab > won't open or the tab will open but a page won't load. On occasion > trying to open a window will yield and out of memory error. You can > close most of the windows and still have these same errors after > opening just one folder. Has anyone seen this? It's a horrific problem > I'm having again with XP...
Guest Jim Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory "JSoul Rocks" <tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote in message news:ssqe445mkj9a9am34p16dgv5f7h3lt1870@4ax.com... > Here's a strange problem I have. My laptop has 2GB of RAM in it, > plenty to run XP. It's a Dell XPS m1210. Especially after waking up > after sleep (as well as not), it seems to have "out of memory" issues > even though there isn't much open and Windows Task Manager says there > is plenty of available RAM. What will happen is that if I have 3 tabs > open in IE, for example, if I click on a link to open another window > there is a blink and nothing happens. Try to open a folder and either > nothing will happen or a new window will open but white and blank. Try > to right click on a menu item and either no menu disappears or you'll > be missing a lot of the right click menu items normally there. Try to > right click on a link to open to a new tab in IE and either a new tab > won't open or the tab will open but a page won't load. On occasion > trying to open a window will yield and out of memory error. You can > close most of the windows and still have these same errors after > opening just one folder. Has anyone seen this? It's a horrific problem > I'm having again with XP... > > In addition to what Gerry posted, what is the size of the pagefile, and how is that size managed? Jim
Guest JSoul Rocks Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:27:17 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote: >Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance >Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak? > >You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With >the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes >before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures >for the 6 processes using the largest amounts? > >Do you leave the computer on 24/7 > >I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open Disk >Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and >click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents >Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it >is more informative. Thanks for trying to help me figure this out guys. I don't leave the computer on 24/7. Rebooting fixes the problem until it happens again, typicaly at least once and up to three/four times daily. Disk size is not a problem. I've got over 35GB of free space and I doubt it's a fragmenting issue. Highest process is explorer.exe with 47,624k CPU Usage is 1% Processes 56 Commit Charge 698M/3938M PF Usage 697MB Total memory 2095224 Available 1392404 System Cache 1273464 Commit Charge (K) Total 714588 Limit 4032612 Peak 959600 Kernel Memory (K) Total 126028 Paged 92032 Nonpaged 34012 Handles 26273 Threads 789 Processes 56 Applications open is just 4 tabs (in 2 windows) in IE, 3 Windows.
Guest Gerry Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory I asked other questions which you have not answered. You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures for the 6 processes using the largest amounts? I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more informative. These questions are asked to get background information not because I think you might need to run Disk Defragmenter! -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .. JSoul Rocks wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:27:17 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote: > >> Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance >> Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak? >> >> You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With >> the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the >> boxes before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the >> figures for the 6 processes using the largest amounts? >> >> Do you leave the computer on 24/7 >> >> I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open >> Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and >> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents >> Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as >> it is more informative. > > Thanks for trying to help me figure this out guys. I don't leave the > computer on 24/7. Rebooting fixes the problem until it happens again, > typicaly at least once and up to three/four times daily. > > Disk size is not a problem. I've got over 35GB of free space and I > doubt it's a fragmenting issue. > > Highest process is explorer.exe with 47,624k > > CPU Usage is 1% > Processes 56 > Commit Charge 698M/3938M > PF Usage 697MB > > Total memory 2095224 > Available 1392404 > System Cache 1273464 > > Commit Charge (K) > Total 714588 > Limit 4032612 > Peak 959600 > > Kernel Memory (K) > Total 126028 > Paged 92032 > Nonpaged 34012 > > Handles 26273 > Threads 789 > Processes 56 > > Applications open is just 4 tabs (in 2 windows) in IE, 3 Windows.
Guest Daave Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory "JSoul Rocks" <tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote in message news:ssqe445mkj9a9am34p16dgv5f7h3lt1870@4ax.com... > Here's a strange problem I have. My laptop has 2GB of RAM in it, > plenty to run XP. It's a Dell XPS m1210. Especially after waking up > after sleep (as well as not), it seems to have "out of memory" issues > even though there isn't much open and Windows Task Manager says there > is plenty of available RAM. What will happen is that if I have 3 tabs > open in IE, for example, if I click on a link to open another window > there is a blink and nothing happens. Try to open a folder and either > nothing will happen or a new window will open but white and blank. Try > to right click on a menu item and either no menu disappears or you'll > be missing a lot of the right click menu items normally there. Try to > right click on a link to open to a new tab in IE and either a new tab > won't open or the tab will open but a page won't load. On occasion > trying to open a window will yield and out of memory error. You can > close most of the windows and still have these same errors after > opening just one folder. Has anyone seen this? It's a horrific problem > I'm having again with XP... Please post the *exact* wording of the error messages.
Guest JSoul Rocks Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory Thanks Gerry, truly - I went from 2GB to 4GB of RAM and found out this isn't necessarily a good thing and the problems haven't gone away... just love this, lol. Here are the answers to your questions: iexplore: CPU 01, Mem Usage 155,012k, Peak Mem Usage 393,132, VM Size 535,128 Now that is the largest. Interesting enough, the next few are Avast Antivirus (I believe) which can't even start if Outlook is open. Here are the next 5 in order of Peak Mem Usage ashServ.exe = Peak 82,700k, VM 21,476k ashWeSv.exe = P 80,996k, VM 17,960k svchost.exe = P 67,140 k, VM 29,756k explorer.exe = P 47,624k, VM 29,704k ashMaiSv.exe = P28,224k, VM 2,944 The Mem Usage is much lower in all the examples and CPU is zero. Regarding the Disk Defrag, Volume (C:) Volume size = 112 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 88.19 GB Free space = 23.53 GB Percent free space = 21 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 22 % File fragmentation = 44 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 196,264 Average file size = 577 KB Total fragmented files = 33,966 Total excess fragments = 134,183 Average fragments per file = 1.68 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 3.01 GB Total fragments = 2 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 11,865 Fragmented folders = 1,096 Excess folder fragments = 8,573 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 205 MB MFT record count = 208,929 Percent MFT in use = 99 % Total MFT fragments = 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 4,971 36 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\BB_MM.log 4,776 490 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\Outlook_080422.zip 2,549 402 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Outlook.zip 1,726 24 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\BB_DM.log 1,725 215 MB \Blackberry Software\StrangersOnTrain_.avi 1,043 65 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP270\A0018251.exe 893 56 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017519.dll 801 3 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Adobe\PatcherLogs\Adobe Device Central CS3 1.1.log 801 50 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP243\A0014951.dll 800 13 MB \Program Files\InstallShield Installation Information\{45A1BF92-700A-4408-B95E-79F462E3D67D}\setup.ilg 783 84 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP290\A0020412.msi 670 42 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP301\A0021179.msi 633 40 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017513.dll 570 2 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP305 528 33 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017520.dll 492 32 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP288\A0020343.msi 488 30 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017517.dll 487 32 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP303\A0021914.msi 471 30 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP245\A0015917.exe 456 3 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\qc10install.log 411 33 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP265\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 407 50 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\jnation_joomla_handshakes_integrated\backup-8.7.2007_01-07-15_jnation\mysql\jnation_jsoul.sql 387 1 KB \WINDOWS\system32\config\system.LOG 383 39 MB \Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\NERO14768\Data\BB61C0A0.cab 383 24 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017514.dll 353 38 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP305\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 350 26 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP245\A0015968.exe 349 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP294\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 314 27 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP211\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 310 27 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP305\A0022190.msi On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:28:24 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote: >I asked other questions which you have not answered. > >You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With >the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes >before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures >for the 6 processes using the largest amounts? > >I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open Disk >Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and >click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents >Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it >is more informative. > >These questions are asked to get background information not because I >think you might need to run Disk Defragmenter!
Guest JSoul Rocks Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:05:10 -0400, "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > >"JSoul Rocks" <tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote in message >news:ssqe445mkj9a9am34p16dgv5f7h3lt1870@4ax.com... >> Here's a strange problem I have. My laptop has 2GB of RAM in it, >> plenty to run XP. It's a Dell XPS m1210. Especially after waking up >> after sleep (as well as not), it seems to have "out of memory" issues >> even though there isn't much open and Windows Task Manager says there >> is plenty of available RAM. What will happen is that if I have 3 tabs >> open in IE, for example, if I click on a link to open another window >> there is a blink and nothing happens. Try to open a folder and either >> nothing will happen or a new window will open but white and blank. Try >> to right click on a menu item and either no menu disappears or you'll >> be missing a lot of the right click menu items normally there. Try to >> right click on a link to open to a new tab in IE and either a new tab >> won't open or the tab will open but a page won't load. On occasion >> trying to open a window will yield and out of memory error. You can >> close most of the windows and still have these same errors after >> opening just one folder. Has anyone seen this? It's a horrific problem >> I'm having again with XP... > >Please post the *exact* wording of the error messages. > Dave - I just posted specs for Gerry. The out of memory frequently manifests itself in having no right click menu available, windows can't open and, if they do, they are distorted with no menu or other items visible. Sometimes you don't get the menu bar at all. At times I can't open another window, even if I just have one open. Windows will not appear. If I have IE open I won't get another tab or window. I just bought 2GB more RAM and now have 4GB. Apparently my only ability to use it might be to upgrade to Vista, 64bit will access it for sure but apps will have a problem running. I heard even Vista 32 makes much better use of the 4GB RAM and perhaps that is what I should do, as much as I don't care to leave XP.
Guest Gerry Posted June 26, 2008 Posted June 26, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory Something is wrong. The figures do not reconcile! From Task Manager Total memory 2095224 Available 1392404 System Cache 1273464 I would have expected Available plus System Cache would a little less than Total Memory. One of the three figures is wrong? Commit Charge (K) Total 714588 Limit 4032612 Peak 959600 From Disk Defragmenter Pagefile 3.01 gb 4 gb of RAM -take as 2.8 gb plus 3 gb pagefile = 5.8 gb but Limit under Commit Charge only 4 gb. Due the need to allocate address space elsewhere most 32 bit systems can only use between 2.8 and 3.2 gb RAM. For some reason your system is not recognising something like 1 gb of RAM? You need to check and confirm the accuracy of the figures from Task Manager. It could be the new memory is not being recognised at all by the system. An alternative could be half your original memory has gone bad, What is your computer make and model? Please also provide details of each memory stick installed. If you have a graphics card please provide details. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JSoul Rocks wrote: > Thanks Gerry, truly - > > I went from 2GB to 4GB of RAM and found out this isn't necessarily a > good thing and the problems haven't gone away... just love this, lol. > Here are the answers to your questions: > > > iexplore: CPU 01, Mem Usage 155,012k, Peak Mem Usage 393,132, VM Size > 535,128 > > Now that is the largest. Interesting enough, the next few are Avast > Antivirus (I believe) which can't even start if Outlook is open. Here > are the next 5 in order of Peak Mem Usage > > ashServ.exe = Peak 82,700k, VM 21,476k > ashWeSv.exe = P 80,996k, VM 17,960k > svchost.exe = P 67,140 k, VM 29,756k > explorer.exe = P 47,624k, VM 29,704k > ashMaiSv.exe = P28,224k, VM 2,944 > > The Mem Usage is much lower in all the examples and CPU is zero. > > Regarding the Disk Defrag, > > > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 112 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 88.19 GB > Free space = 23.53 GB > Percent free space = 21 % > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 22 % > File fragmentation = 44 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation > Total files = 196,264 > Average file size = 577 KB > Total fragmented files = 33,966 > Total excess fragments = 134,183 > Average fragments per file = 1.68 > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 3.01 GB > Total fragments = 2 > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 11,865 > Fragmented folders = 1,096 > Excess folder fragments = 8,573 > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 205 MB > MFT record count = 208,929 > Percent MFT in use = 99 % > Total MFT fragments = 4 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Most fragmented files > 4,971 36 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\BB_MM.log > 4,776 490 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application > Data\Microsoft\Outlook\Outlook_080422.zip > 2,549 402 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Outlook.zip > 1,726 24 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\BB_DM.log > 1,725 215 MB \Blackberry > Software\StrangersOnTrain_.avi > 1,043 65 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP270\A0018251.exe > 893 56 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017519.dll > 801 3 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Adobe\PatcherLogs\Adobe Device > Central CS3 1.1.log > 801 50 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP243\A0014951.dll > 800 13 MB \Program Files\InstallShield > Installation > Information\{45A1BF92-700A-4408-B95E-79F462E3D67D}\setup.ilg > 783 84 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP290\A0020412.msi > 670 42 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP301\A0021179.msi > 633 40 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017513.dll > 570 2 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP305 > 528 33 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017520.dll > 492 32 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP288\A0020343.msi > 488 30 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017517.dll > 487 32 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP303\A0021914.msi > 471 30 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP245\A0015917.exe > 456 3 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\qc10install.log > 411 33 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP265\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 407 50 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\My > Documents\jnation_joomla_handshakes_integrated\backup-8.7.2007_01-07-15_jnation\mysql\jnation_jsoul.sql > 387 1 KB \WINDOWS\system32\config\system.LOG > 383 39 MB \Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp\NERO14768\Data\BB61C0A0.cab > 383 24 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP262\A0017514.dll > 353 38 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP305\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 350 26 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP245\A0015968.exe > 349 37 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP294\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 314 27 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP211\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 310 27 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{4DB02A80-C8BD-43EA-AB24-888E039BD6C5}\RP305\A0022190.msi > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:28:24 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote: > >> I asked other questions which you have not answered. >> >> You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With >> the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the >> boxes before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the >> figures for the 6 processes using the largest amounts? >> >> I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open >> Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and >> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents >> Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as >> it is more informative. >> >> These questions are asked to get background information not because I >> think you might need to run Disk Defragmenter!
Guest JSoul Rocks Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory The figures are accurate. The memory recognized is only 3.25 GB thanks to the Windows XP issue with 4GB of memory and its method of accessing memory with its 32-bit architecture. Apparently this is very well documented with a search on the subject of Windows XP not recognizing all 4 GB of RAM or recognizing only 3GB. Still, that's not the problem. Windows just runs out of memory for reasons I can't explain, especially after waking up. Computer is the Dell XPS with the GeForce 7200 graphics card (or maybe 7400 but one of those two that is the mobile version.) On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:25:15 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote: >Something is wrong. The figures do not reconcile! > >From Task Manager > >Total memory 2095224 >Available 1392404 >System Cache 1273464 > >I would have expected Available plus System Cache would a little less >than Total Memory. One of the three figures is wrong? > >Commit Charge (K) >Total 714588 >Limit 4032612 >Peak 959600 > >From Disk Defragmenter > >Pagefile 3.01 gb > >4 gb of RAM -take as 2.8 gb plus 3 gb pagefile = 5.8 gb but Limit under >Commit Charge only 4 gb. Due the need to allocate address space >elsewhere most 32 bit systems can only use between 2.8 and 3.2 gb RAM. >For some reason your system is not recognising something like 1 gb of >RAM? > >You need to check and confirm the accuracy of the figures from Task >Manager. It could be the new memory is not being recognised at all by >the system. An alternative could be half your original memory has gone >bad, > >What is your computer make and model? Please also provide details of >each memory stick installed. > >If you have a graphics card please provide details.
Guest tbone Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory If you prefer XP, have you thought about Windows XP 64-bit Ediition? I recently ordered a quad core machine with it. Everything I've installed so far seems to work ok. YMMV, but I much prefer XP (and even kubuntu) over Vista. tbone On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:59:48 -0400, JSoul Rocks <tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote: <..snip..> >I just bought 2GB more RAM and now have 4GB. Apparently my only >ability to use it might be to upgrade to Vista, 64bit will access it >for sure but apps will have a problem running. I heard even Vista 32 >makes much better use of the 4GB RAM and perhaps that is what I should >do, as much as I don't care to leave XP.
Guest JSoul Rocks Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory Thanks tbone - I didn't even think of that. My only concern is how the 64-bit editions will work with my other apps. I don't have anything likely too challenging but I wonder if my web applications will work sufficiently. That's a good idea. I personally don't like Vista. On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:35:04 -0400, tbone <noneedto@email.me> wrote: >If you prefer XP, have you thought about Windows XP 64-bit Ediition? > >I recently ordered a quad core machine with it. Everything I've >installed so far seems to work ok. YMMV, but I much prefer XP (and >even kubuntu) over Vista. > >tbone > >On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:59:48 -0400, JSoul Rocks ><tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote: > ><..snip..> > >>I just bought 2GB more RAM and now have 4GB. Apparently my only >>ability to use it might be to upgrade to Vista, 64bit will access it >>for sure but apps will have a problem running. I heard even Vista 32 >>makes much better use of the 4GB RAM and perhaps that is what I should >>do, as much as I don't care to leave XP.
Guest Daave Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory "JSoul Rocks" <tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote in message news:j855645vgm8rfuiujruh73u3ipr2fn8tug@4ax.com... > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:05:10 -0400, "Daave" > <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > >> >>"JSoul Rocks" <tkd_NOSPAM_inthecity_@yahoo_NO_SPAM.com> wrote in >>message >>news:ssqe445mkj9a9am34p16dgv5f7h3lt1870@4ax.com... >>> Here's a strange problem I have. My laptop has 2GB of RAM in it, >>> plenty to run XP. It's a Dell XPS m1210. Especially after waking up >>> after sleep (as well as not), it seems to have "out of memory" >>> issues >>> even though there isn't much open and Windows Task Manager says >>> there >>> is plenty of available RAM. What will happen is that if I have 3 >>> tabs >>> open in IE, for example, if I click on a link to open another window >>> there is a blink and nothing happens. Try to open a folder and >>> either >>> nothing will happen or a new window will open but white and blank. >>> Try >>> to right click on a menu item and either no menu disappears or >>> you'll >>> be missing a lot of the right click menu items normally there. Try >>> to >>> right click on a link to open to a new tab in IE and either a new >>> tab >>> won't open or the tab will open but a page won't load. On occasion >>> trying to open a window will yield and out of memory error. You can >>> close most of the windows and still have these same errors after >>> opening just one folder. Has anyone seen this? It's a horrific >>> problem >>> I'm having again with XP... >> >>Please post the *exact* wording of the error messages. >> > > Dave - I just posted specs for Gerry. The out of memory frequently > manifests itself in having no right click menu available, windows > can't open and, if they do, they are distorted with no menu or other > items visible. Sometimes you don't get the menu bar at all. At times I > can't open another window, even if I just have one open. Windows will > not appear. If I have IE open I won't get another tab or window. > > I just bought 2GB more RAM and now have 4GB. Apparently my only > ability to use it might be to upgrade to Vista, 64bit will access it > for sure but apps will have a problem running. I heard even Vista 32 > makes much better use of the 4GB RAM and perhaps that is what I should > do, as much as I don't care to leave XP. In your original post, you stated that: >>> On occasion trying to open a window will yield and >>> out of memory error. Has this happened recently? If so, please post the *exact* wording of the error messages. Also, please post pertinent copies of Error reports from Event Viewer, easily accessed by: Start | Run | type "eventvwr" (without the quotes) For more info, see "How to view and manage event logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP": http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427 Have you tried using Process Explorer to determine the culprit? You may download this utility from: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx For tips on how to use it: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial129.html Also, I saw your iexplore numbers, which are quite high. I would imagine your problem is related to that. What version of IE are you running? Have you tried running in No Add-ons mode? How is your pagefile configured? Almost always, the best way to configure it is to let Windows manage your virtual memory: Right-click on My computer and select Properties. Go to the Advanced tab and click on Settings (under Performance). Change to Advanced, hit Change and select the target drive for your virtual memory file. Which is selected: Custom or System managed size? If Custom, what is the initial size and what is the maximum size? Usually, System managed is just fine. If you prefer to read up more and customize it properly (although the end result may very well be the same!), see "Virtual Memory in Windows XP": http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php The figures you posted from Task Manager were helpful, but for a more accurate assessment, you may run Page File Monitor for Windows XP: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm Have you ruled out a malware infection? If not, you need to! See: http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Viruses_Malware Another explanation is a corrupted profile. Create a new one and see if your problem is resolved. Know that clean boot troubleshooting is an option: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434 And you can always perform a repair install! BTW, what Service Pack level are you running?
Guest Gerry Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 Re: XP Always Out of Memory There is still something wrong when you try to reconcile the figures you provided earlier. It could have arisen because some of the figures were provided on 5 June and some on 25 June. Changes to the system between these dates could explain the discrepancy. Fresh figures would tell us whether they now reconcile. What are your pagefile settings? Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced, Performance Settings, Advanced, Virtual Memory, Change. Where is the pagefile located? Is it located in the same partition as windows? The other explanation could be a programme generating a large requirement for memory which was not running when you checked Task Manager. What are you doing when the "Out of Memory" messages appear? It did not immediately register with me but this comment by you "especially after waking up" may be significant! Hibernation? If you disable Hibernation do you still see "Out of Memory" messages? Select Start, Control Panel, Power Options, Hibernate tab, and uncheck the box before "Enable Hibernate", What is the disk space requirement for hibernate specified below the box? Looking again at the Disk Defragmenter Report I see you have some pretty large files which are multi-fragmented. This poses the question as to whether your housekeeping is carried out as often as it needs to be and whether you are doing it in the right way. Something to do first before I say more about housekeeping. The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit. Restart your computer. With housekeeping you need to cleanup your system before you run Disk Defragmenter. Running Disk CleanUp is one part of the operation but other things can also be necessary. You do not appear to be using Outlook Express as a news reader. I am not sure of the maintenance requirements for Forte Agent. You have a large Outlook zip file. Are you current using Outlook as that may be something to consider. However, a simple strategy follows. Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter. You may need to do this on each drive / partition. An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a more thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once. http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp http://www.ccleaner.com/ With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also offers backup before removal. When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one has irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so that they can easily be re-entered. Leave the Scan for Issues option alone. cCleaner does not remove restore points. You need to use Disk CleanUp for this. Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore point. Housekeeping may not directly solve an Out of Memory problem but it will help with system performance by making tasks less demanding on available memory. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JSoul Rocks wrote: > The figures are accurate. The memory recognized is only 3.25 GB > thanks to the Windows XP issue with 4GB of memory and its method of > accessing memory with its 32-bit architecture. Apparently this is very > well documented with a search on the subject of Windows XP not > recognizing all 4 GB of RAM or recognizing only 3GB. Still, that's not > the problem. Windows just runs out of memory for reasons I can't > explain, especially after waking up. Computer is the Dell XPS with the > GeForce 7200 graphics card (or maybe 7400 but one of those two that is > the mobile version.) > > On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:25:15 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote: > >> Something is wrong. The figures do not reconcile! >> >> From Task Manager >> >> Total memory 2095224 >> Available 1392404 >> System Cache 1273464 >> >> I would have expected Available plus System Cache would a little less >> than Total Memory. One of the three figures is wrong? >> >> Commit Charge (K) >> Total 714588 >> Limit 4032612 >> Peak 959600 >> >> From Disk Defragmenter >> >> Pagefile 3.01 gb >> >> 4 gb of RAM -take as 2.8 gb plus 3 gb pagefile = 5.8 gb but Limit >> under Commit Charge only 4 gb. Due the need to allocate address space >> elsewhere most 32 bit systems can only use between 2.8 and 3.2 gb >> RAM. For some reason your system is not recognising something like 1 >> gb of RAM? >> >> You need to check and confirm the accuracy of the figures from Task >> Manager. It could be the new memory is not being recognised at all by >> the system. An alternative could be half your original memory has >> gone bad, >> >> What is your computer make and model? Please also provide details of >> each memory stick installed. >> >> If you have a graphics card please provide details.
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