thank you for the reply but but thats what i thought so tried that first. sometimes when i turn it on it powers up then turns off after a couple of seconds, then other times it says cant find boot manager, also no hdd. i changed the power unit 3 times also, everything on the mb has been replaced. could it be something to do with the rams because even though they all register as working ok in the startup menu, when vista starts up it says its only got 3n half yet the start up says 6