hi thx for the advice but im still not getting anywere iv played with timings and the volts but with no improvment the max volts i can go to are 2.05v iv tested each 1gig stick on its own and they all work fine ,im really at a lose chould it be my graphic's card iv got HIS turbo ice3 x1950pro that has never worked right it should run at default 622mhz core 742.50mhz iv had to underclock it to 600.75 left the mem at default to stop it crashing