tiny urls

[Guest CdLsRN]

How do you create a tiny url, please.

[Guest Tim Slattery]

Re: tiny urls

 

"CdLsRN" <NOSPAM@nospam.com> wrote:

>How do you create a tiny url, please.

 

http://www.tinyurl.com

 

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[Guest glee]

Re: tiny urls

 

"CdLsRN" <NOSPAM@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> How do you create a tiny url, please.

 

Don't feed it when it's young....

 

(See Tim's reply if you want the real answer)

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[Guest Etal]

Re: tiny urls

 

Franc Zabkar wrote:

> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

 

Any site can /try to/ redirect my requests .. but i want to be

given half a chance to know if the destination is something i

might be interested in.

 

That's why i dislike them, like when you see someone writing

"It's all explained if you look at prot://tiny_url/xzrt".

Not just because of the malware-threat, but i have no idea if

that links to a resource i have visited already or maybe to a

resource i know i have no interest in.

 

IMO. Just enclose your long links in < and > instead.

 

 

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[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: tiny urls

 

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:54:40 +0200, Etal

<look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>

>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

>

>Any site can /try to/ redirect my requests .. but i want to be

>given half a chance to know if the destination is something i

>might be interested in.

>

>That's why i dislike them, like when you see someone writing

>"It's all explained if you look at prot://tiny_url/xzrt".

>Not just because of the malware-threat, but i have no idea if

>that links to a resource i have visited already or maybe to a

>resource i know i have no interest in.

>

>IMO. Just enclose your long links in < and > instead.

 

TinyURL now has a preview option.

 

For example, this is a link to your message at the Google Groups

archive:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4k4dd6

 

The above page displays the following:

 

===========================================================

Preview of TinyURL.com/4k4dd6

 

This TinyURL redirects to:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.publ

ic.win98.gen_discussion/msg/cec889628616a566

===========================================================

 

- Franc Zabkar

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[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: tiny urls

 

Yeah, I should put that one into my Links folder instead of the standard

one.

 

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:54:40 +0200, Etal

> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>

>>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

>>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

>>

>>Any site can /try to/ redirect my requests .. but i want to be

>>given half a chance to know if the destination is something i

>>might be interested in.

>>

>>That's why i dislike them, like when you see someone writing

>>"It's all explained if you look at prot://tiny_url/xzrt".

>>Not just because of the malware-threat, but i have no idea if

>>that links to a resource i have visited already or maybe to a

>>resource i know i have no interest in.

>>

>>IMO. Just enclose your long links in < and > instead.

>

> TinyURL now has a preview option.

>

> For example, this is a link to your message at the Google Groups

> archive:

> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4k4dd6

>

> The above page displays the following:

>

> ===========================================================

> Preview of TinyURL.com/4k4dd6

>

> This TinyURL redirects to:

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.publ

> ic.win98.gen_discussion/msg/cec889628616a566

> ===========================================================

>

> - Franc Zabkar

> --

> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: tiny urls

 

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:11:12 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>Nope, can't make it so the Preview link is copied to the clipboard

>automatically. I'll stick with normal TinyURLs and try to remember that it's

>a good thing to include the real link, then the TinyURL, like I usually do.

 

I'm not sure what you are trying to do. If you are the creator of a

particular tiny URL, then the tinyURL web site gives you two options,

a direct link and a preview link. AFAICT, you would just need to post

the preview URL instead of the direct one. Or did I misunderstand you?

>However, going at it from a different angle, those who wish to can enable a

>cookie that will cause any TinyURL link to be redirected to the Preview

>page. You enable/disable that here:

>http://tinyurl.com/preview.php

 

- Franc Zabkar

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[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: tiny urls

 

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:11:12 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

> finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>>Nope, can't make it so the Preview link is copied to the clipboard

>>automatically. I'll stick with normal TinyURLs and try to remember that

>>it's

>>a good thing to include the real link, then the TinyURL, like I usually

>>do.

>

> I'm not sure what you are trying to do. If you are the creator of a

> particular tiny URL, then the tinyURL web site gives you two options,

> a direct link and a preview link. AFAICT, you would just need to post

> the preview URL instead of the direct one. Or did I misunderstand you?

 

TinyURL has a shortcut that you ca put into the Links folder in IE and when

you click the link, it takes you to TinyURL page AND copies the TinyURL to

the Clipboard for easy pasting. But that's the TinyURL, not the Preview

link. To get that, I'd have to wait for the TinyURL page to laod and then

copy the Preview URL from the page before I could paste it. WHen I hit that

shortcut in the Links bar, by the time I get back to teh OE message I'm

working on, the TinyURL is already on teh clipboard and a quick Ctrl-V

finishes the job. Getting teh Preview TinyURL into a message would take

three times longer or more.

 

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[Guest Etal]

Re: tiny urls

 

Franc Zabkar wrote:

> Etal composed:

>

>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>

>>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

>>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

 

[snip]

>

> TinyURL now has a preview option.

>

> For example, this is a link to your message at the Google Groups

> archive:

> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4k4dd6

>

> The above page displays the following:

>

> ===========================================================

> Preview of TinyURL.com/4k4dd6

>

> This TinyURL redirects to:

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.publ

> ic.win98.gen_discussion/msg/cec889628616a566

> ===========================================================

>

 

I didn't know about that, thanks. <http://preview.tinyurl.com/>

now bookmarked should i come across one of them tiny devils that

entices me enough to want to click on it.

 

I tried to see if that was possible with one of them short-URL

places a couple of years ago but didn't see a way then. Good to

see that it's not only me and that there seem to be pressure to

provide that possibility.

 

 

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[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: tiny urls

 

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:30:43 +0200, Etal

<look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>

>> Etal composed:

>>

>>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>

>>>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

>>>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

>

> [snip]

>

>>

>> TinyURL now has a preview option.

>>

>> For example, this is a link to your message at the Google Groups

>> archive:

>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4k4dd6

>>

>> The above page displays the following:

>>

>> ===========================================================

>> Preview of TinyURL.com/4k4dd6

>>

>> This TinyURL redirects to:

>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.publ

>> ic.win98.gen_discussion/msg/cec889628616a566

>> ===========================================================

>>

>

>I didn't know about that, thanks. <http://preview.tinyurl.com/>

>now bookmarked should i come across one of them tiny devils that

>entices me enough to want to click on it.

>

>I tried to see if that was possible with one of them short-URL

>places a couple of years ago but didn't see a way then. Good to

>see that it's not only me and that there seem to be pressure to

>provide that possibility.

 

BTW, this is the first message I posted to this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/f3ef866429913786

 

The MS news server's bot filtered it on my first attempt, so I had to

use my own ISP's news server to repost it. Other people who are

getting their news feed exclusively from MS wouldn't have seen it.

 

- Franc Zabkar

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[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: tiny urls

 

Why would a message posted on a different news server manage to get by the

MS bots when a direct connection gets it filtered out? Puzzles me.

 

I've have had many totally acceptable messages dumped over the last month or

two. Mostly, I just totally rewrite the message and try it again.

 

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:30:43 +0200, Etal

> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>

>>> Etal composed:

>>>

>>>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

>>>>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

>>

>> [snip]

>>

>>>

>>> TinyURL now has a preview option.

>>>

>>> For example, this is a link to your message at the Google Groups

>>> archive:

>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4k4dd6

>>>

>>> The above page displays the following:

>>>

>>> ===========================================================

>>> Preview of TinyURL.com/4k4dd6

>>>

>>> This TinyURL redirects to:

>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.publ

>>> ic.win98.gen_discussion/msg/cec889628616a566

>>> ===========================================================

>>>

>>

>>I didn't know about that, thanks. <http://preview.tinyurl.com/>

>>now bookmarked should i come across one of them tiny devils that

>>entices me enough to want to click on it.

>>

>>I tried to see if that was possible with one of them short-URL

>>places a couple of years ago but didn't see a way then. Good to

>>see that it's not only me and that there seem to be pressure to

>>provide that possibility.

>

> BTW, this is the first message I posted to this thread:

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/f3ef866429913786

>

> The MS news server's bot filtered it on my first attempt, so I had to

> use my own ISP's news server to repost it. Other people who are

> getting their news feed exclusively from MS wouldn't have seen it.

>

> - Franc Zabkar

> --

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[Guest MEB]

Re: tiny urls

 

Well, I got it I think... the original... from MS according to the header on

the link you posted and the one in OE...

 

Was it this one:

NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:06:56 -0500

Subject: Re: tiny urls

Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:06:58 +1000

X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

NNTP-Posting-Host: 121.44.34.84

Path: {several

deleted}local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.internode!news.posted.inte

rnode.POSTED!not-for-mail

 

 

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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| On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:30:43 +0200, Etal

| <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

| >Franc Zabkar wrote:

| >

| >> Etal composed:

| >>

| >>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

| >>>

| >>>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

| >>>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

| >

| > [snip]

| >

| >>

| >> TinyURL now has a preview option.

| >>

| >> For example, this is a link to your message at the Google Groups

| >> archive:

| >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4k4dd6

| >>

| >> The above page displays the following:

| >>

| >> ===========================================================

| >> Preview of TinyURL.com/4k4dd6

| >>

| >> This TinyURL redirects to:

| >> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.publ

| >> ic.win98.gen_discussion/msg/cec889628616a566

| >> ===========================================================

| >>

| >

| >I didn't know about that, thanks. <http://preview.tinyurl.com/>

| >now bookmarked should i come across one of them tiny devils that

| >entices me enough to want to click on it.

| >

| >I tried to see if that was possible with one of them short-URL

| >places a couple of years ago but didn't see a way then. Good to

| >see that it's not only me and that there seem to be pressure to

| >provide that possibility.

|

| BTW, this is the first message I posted to this thread:

|

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/f3ef866429913786

|

| The MS news server's bot filtered it on my first attempt, so I had to

| use my own ISP's news server to repost it. Other people who are

| getting their news feed exclusively from MS wouldn't have seen it.

|

| - Franc Zabkar

| --

| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: tiny urls

 

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:10:45 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>Why would a message posted on a different news server manage to get by the

>MS bots when a direct connection gets it filtered out? Puzzles me.

 

My newsreader, Agent, allows me to use several news servers in my

"access plan". My own messages are posted using the first available

server in the plan. If news.microsoft.com is first, then its bot

filters my messages, dumps any it doesn't like, and doesn't pass them

on to the wider Internet. So nobody sees them. If

news.internode.on.net is first, then it accepts all of my messages and

propagates them to other news servers, including, but not limited to,

news.microsoft.com. I see every message in my news feed because I

retrieve messages from all news servers in my access plan, not just

MS. Etal can see my posts because he gets his feed from nntp.aioe.org.

You, however, will not see my filtered messages if MS is your sole

provider.

 

To put it another way, my message is posted to news.internode.on.net

which then propagates it to nntp.aioe.org and news.microsoft.com. Etal

and I can see it in our own news feeds, but MS filters it before it

can be delivered to you.

 

- Franc Zabkar

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[Guest Etal]

Re: tiny urls

 

Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>

>>>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Just be careful using short URLs that don't preview the hidden

>>>>> destination. They could easily redirect you to a malware site.

>> [snip]

>>

>

> BTW, this is the first message I posted to this thread:

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/f3ef866429913786

>

> The MS news server's bot filtered it on my first attempt, so I had to

> use my own ISP's news server to repost it. Other people who are

> getting their news feed exclusively from MS wouldn't have seen it.

>

 

( You aren't trying to write about rising waters again, are you?

;-) )

 

That link opens Message-ID:

<news:tdo2641auo01ggil7rc2hl7cjhmnd7vvfs@4ax.com>.

That is the post to which i made a followup and that there is a

remnant of at the top.

 

If one look at the threads layout at google-groups:

<http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/browse_frm/thread/be745ca45229236e/>,

it looks the same as what i see via AIOE, but i just downloaded

the group-headers from <news:msnews.microsoft.com> and your post

is indeed missing there. Too bad for the ones using that server

that i snipped your excellent on topic advice to the OP,

'CdLsRN', or rather i was lucky doing it or my post wouldn't have

gotten through to them either i suppose. So unless it was just a

glitch at there servers, if i'll try to repost/quote your advice

here without knowing the offending word it would just be filtered

there again. :-(

 

 

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[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: tiny urls

 

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:34:15 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Well, I got it I think... the original... from MS according to the header on

>the link you posted and the one in OE...

>

>Was it this one:

>NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:06:56 -0500

>Subject: Re: tiny urls

>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:06:58 +1000

>X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

>NNTP-Posting-Host: 121.44.34.84

>Path: {several

>deleted}local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.internode!news.posted.inte

>rnode.POSTED!not-for-mail

>

>

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> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

 

Sorry, I'm being somewhat ambiguous. What you are seeing is my second

attempt ... when I reposted successfully via Internode (which uses

Giganews).

 

I posted the same message to the MS news server first, but it didn't

show up in my news feed.

 

This was the attempt that didn't get through:

 

=====================================================

From: Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net>

Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Subject: Re: tiny urls

Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:29:40 +1000

Organization: Bachelor Life Ltd

Reply-To: fzabkar@iinternode.on.net

Message-ID: <09m264ts5mbus2ihfau6neog9v8mhg92hc@4ax.com>

References: <uCyREsi1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846

=====================================================

 

If you search for the above Message-ID at Google Groups ...

 

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=09m264ts5mbus2ihfau6neog9v8mhg92hc%404ax.com

 

.... you get ...

 

"The requested message, 09m264ts5mbus2ihfau6neog9v8mhg92hc@4ax.com,

could not be found."

 

- Franc Zabkar

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[Guest MEB]

Re: tiny urls

 

Okay, that's why I posted that information to confirm... it just SEEMED to

be the same as the times were identical.

So what are you doing - multi-posting via several services at the same

time? That would produce multiples which WOULD be filtered depending upon

which came through first. That also might trigger Spam filters.

 

The only way I can get multiple posts to appear is: such as recently in

"Re: Microsoft Phasing Out Win98 !?" in which the MS server never returned

the "received/posted" due to access failure, and upon re-connect, the

message was resent.

My reader shows two response from me containing the exact same message.

 

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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| On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:34:15 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

| >Well, I got it I think... the original... from MS according to the header

on

| >the link you posted and the one in OE...

| >

| >Was it this one:

| >NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:06:56 -0500

| >Subject: Re: tiny urls

| >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:06:58 +1000

| >X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

| >NNTP-Posting-Host: 121.44.34.84

| >Path: {several

|

>deleted}local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.internode!news.posted.int

e

| >rnode.POSTED!not-for-mail

| >

| >

| >--

| > MEB

| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

|

| Sorry, I'm being somewhat ambiguous. What you are seeing is my second

| attempt ... when I reposted successfully via Internode (which uses

| Giganews).

|

| I posted the same message to the MS news server first, but it didn't

| show up in my news feed.

|

| This was the attempt that didn't get through:

|

| =====================================================

| From: Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net>

| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

| Subject: Re: tiny urls

| Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:29:40 +1000

| Organization: Bachelor Life Ltd

| Reply-To: fzabkar@iinternode.on.net

| Message-ID: <09m264ts5mbus2ihfau6neog9v8mhg92hc@4ax.com>

| References: <uCyREsi1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

| X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846

| =====================================================

|

| If you search for the above Message-ID at Google Groups ...

|

|

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=09m264ts5mbus2ihfau6neog9v8mhg92hc%404ax.com

|

| ... you get ...

|

| "The requested message, 09m264ts5mbus2ihfau6neog9v8mhg92hc@4ax.com,

| could not be found."

|

| - Franc Zabkar

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[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: tiny urls

 

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:34:49 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Okay, that's why I posted that information to confirm... it just SEEMED to

>be the same as the times were identical.

> So what are you doing - multi-posting via several services at the same

>time?

 

No, I use only one server for posting each message. Messages to MS NGs

default to the MS news server, messages to other NGs go via my ISP's

news server. Only when I have difficulty posting a particular message

to an MS group do I temporarily switch to using my ISP's news server.

>That would produce multiples which WOULD be filtered depending upon

>which came through first. That also might trigger Spam filters.

 

That doesn't happen. I only use both servers when *receiving*

messages. This allows me to minimise the effects of a broken news

feed, ie one server may have parts of a thread that the other doesn't.

 

- Franc Zabkar

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[Guest MEB]

Re: tiny urls

 

 

 

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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| On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:34:49 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

| >Okay, that's why I posted that information to confirm... it just SEEMED

to

| >be the same as the times were identical.

| > So what are you doing - multi-posting via several services at the same

| >time?

|

| No, I use only one server for posting each message. Messages to MS NGs

| default to the MS news server, messages to other NGs go via my ISP's

| news server. Only when I have difficulty posting a particular message

| to an MS group do I temporarily switch to using my ISP's news server.

|

| >That would produce multiples which WOULD be filtered depending upon

| >which came through first. That also might trigger Spam filters.

|

| That doesn't happen. I only use both servers when *receiving*

| messages. This allows me to minimise the effects of a broken news

| feed, ie one server may have parts of a thread that the other doesn't.

|

| - Franc Zabkar

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Okay, just clarifying. Like I said, my query was based upon the compared

times indicated rather than the actual post indicator.

 

But yeah, depending upon where you receive your news, it may have lots of

materials not on MS..

 

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