Guest HybridStudio Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server enterprise and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? I don't want to use Hyper-V
Guest Meinolf Weber Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing Hello HybridStudio, Would be nice, but licensing is easy this way, one server installation, one license, doesn't matter if VM or physical machine. Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server > enterprise and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? > > I don't want to use Hyper-V >
Guest HybridStudio Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing But datacentre allows unlimited virtual machines in its licensing and enterprise allows 4 instances on the same box. Perhaps if i rephrase my question to Does Windows Server 2008 Datacentre require you to use Hyper-V to benefit from unlimited virtual machine licensing or can a third party virtualisation technology be used?
Guest Meinolf Weber Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing Hello HybridStudio, Seems that my first reply wasn't correct. Have a look here about datacenter licensing: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-faq.aspx#webdata\ http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3383969&SiteID=17 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calculator.mspx Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > But datacentre allows unlimited virtual machines in its licensing and > enterprise allows 4 instances on the same box. > > Perhaps if i rephrase my question to Does Windows Server 2008 > Datacentre require you to use Hyper-V to benefit from unlimited > virtual machine licensing or can a third party virtualisation > technology be used? >
Guest Meinolf Weber Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing Hello HybridStudio, Especially check out the last link about the Windows Server Virtualization Calculators Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > But datacentre allows unlimited virtual machines in its licensing and > enterprise allows 4 instances on the same box. > > Perhaps if i rephrase my question to Does Windows Server 2008 > Datacentre require you to use Hyper-V to benefit from unlimited > virtual machine licensing or can a third party virtualisation > technology be used? >
Guest DevilsPGD Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing In message <16EC49A1-6D59-437D-9096-CB5669E23118@microsoft.com> HybridStudio <HybridStudio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server enterprise >and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? From what I can tell, and from what Microsoft licensing told me when I inquired about 2003 datacenter, the particular VM technology doesn't matter. I don't see anything in the 2008 license that requires a specific VM technology either, but I might have missed it -- Call Microsoft to confirm. >I don't want to use Hyper-V Mind if I ask why not? I've been very impressed by Hyper-V RC in the lab, and plan on rolling out a semi-live installation this week to give it some real world testing. So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally.
Guest DiamondBill Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing "DevilsPGD" wrote: > So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally. Mind if I ask what you mean by "blown out of the water?" Performance, ease of use, something else? Our VMware ESX cluster is the only technology product that I have ever had that works better than advertised. The ability to dynamically load balance via VMotion is awesome -- over 2,000 transitions to date -- and HyperV doesn't offer that. Add to that the ability to run something besides Windows in the same cluster, consolidated backup, support from 3rd parties such as SAN vendors, etc. To me HyperV seems long on grandiose claims but short on delivery. On the other hand, I am willing to entertain the notion that I missed something.
Guest Dmitrij Malakhov Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing Hello. Please excuse if it is not appropriate to continue discussion in this thread. Do you think you could dissect another scenario: 3 node VMWare infrastructure Standard with HA, 2 nodes actively hosting Windows virtual machines and the 3rd one empty, used for fail-over. The 2 active nodes covered with Windows 2008 Datacenter licenses. It is obvious that the 3rd one needs some kind of ms license coverage if it is hosting Windows VMs. The vague point is - do we need to license the third, stand-by host with an MS license if it is "empty", i.e. not serving any virtual machines? Thanks for you insight on this Dmitrij "DevilsPGD" wrote: > In message <16EC49A1-6D59-437D-9096-CB5669E23118@microsoft.com> > HybridStudio <HybridStudio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server enterprise > >and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? > > From what I can tell, and from what Microsoft licensing told me when I > inquired about 2003 datacenter, the particular VM technology doesn't > matter. > > I don't see anything in the 2008 license that requires a specific VM > technology either, but I might have missed it -- Call Microsoft to > confirm. > > >I don't want to use Hyper-V > > Mind if I ask why not? I've been very impressed by Hyper-V RC in the > lab, and plan on rolling out a semi-live installation this week to give > it some real world testing. > > So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally. >
Guest Bill Grant Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing The licences are linked to Server 2008 Datacenter Edition. What you use for virtualization does not matter. If the host is running Datacenter Edition you can run as many instances of Windows Server as you like as virtual machines on that host. "Dmitrij Malakhov" <Dmitrij Malakhov@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:257BF18C-5FD1-48E9-AAEF-8D88E57DFD11@microsoft.com... > Hello. > > Please excuse if it is not appropriate to continue discussion in this > thread. > > Do you think you could dissect another scenario: > > 3 node VMWare infrastructure Standard with HA, 2 nodes actively hosting > Windows virtual machines and the 3rd one empty, used for fail-over. > > The 2 active nodes covered with Windows 2008 Datacenter licenses. > > > It is obvious that the 3rd one needs some kind of ms license coverage if > it > is hosting Windows VMs. The vague point is - do we need to license the > third, stand-by host with an MS license if it is "empty", i.e. not serving > any virtual machines? > > Thanks for you insight on this > > Dmitrij > > "DevilsPGD" wrote: > >> In message <16EC49A1-6D59-437D-9096-CB5669E23118@microsoft.com> >> HybridStudio <HybridStudio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server >> >enterprise >> >and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? >> >> From what I can tell, and from what Microsoft licensing told me when I >> inquired about 2003 datacenter, the particular VM technology doesn't >> matter. >> >> I don't see anything in the 2008 license that requires a specific VM >> technology either, but I might have missed it -- Call Microsoft to >> confirm. >> >> >I don't want to use Hyper-V >> >> Mind if I ask why not? I've been very impressed by Hyper-V RC in the >> lab, and plan on rolling out a semi-live installation this week to give >> it some real world testing. >> >> So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally. >>
Guest Dmitrij Malakhov Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing Thank you for your prompt reply, Bill. I am afraid I do not fully understand your answer. I am aware of the fact that Datacenter Virtualization benefit is as valid for VMWare, Parallels as for Hyper-V. What we are trying to clear up is if we have to buy Datacenter license for the third, stand-by, VMWare host. The other two are covered with such licenses. "Bill Grant" wrote: > The licences are linked to Server 2008 Datacenter Edition. What you use > for virtualization does not matter. If the host is running Datacenter > Edition you can run as many instances of Windows Server as you like as > virtual machines on that host. > > "Dmitrij Malakhov" <Dmitrij Malakhov@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > message news:257BF18C-5FD1-48E9-AAEF-8D88E57DFD11@microsoft.com... > > Hello. > > > > Please excuse if it is not appropriate to continue discussion in this > > thread. > > > > Do you think you could dissect another scenario: > > > > 3 node VMWare infrastructure Standard with HA, 2 nodes actively hosting > > Windows virtual machines and the 3rd one empty, used for fail-over. > > > > The 2 active nodes covered with Windows 2008 Datacenter licenses. > > > > > > It is obvious that the 3rd one needs some kind of ms license coverage if > > it > > is hosting Windows VMs. The vague point is - do we need to license the > > third, stand-by host with an MS license if it is "empty", i.e. not serving > > any virtual machines? > > > > Thanks for you insight on this > > > > Dmitrij > > > > "DevilsPGD" wrote: > > > >> In message <16EC49A1-6D59-437D-9096-CB5669E23118@microsoft.com> > >> HybridStudio <HybridStudio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server > >> >enterprise > >> >and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? > >> > >> From what I can tell, and from what Microsoft licensing told me when I > >> inquired about 2003 datacenter, the particular VM technology doesn't > >> matter. > >> > >> I don't see anything in the 2008 license that requires a specific VM > >> technology either, but I might have missed it -- Call Microsoft to > >> confirm. > >> > >> >I don't want to use Hyper-V > >> > >> Mind if I ask why not? I've been very impressed by Hyper-V RC in the > >> lab, and plan on rolling out a semi-live installation this week to give > >> it some real world testing. > >> > >> So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally. > >> >
Guest Bill Grant Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing You would need to talk to a Microsoft rep about that. Me guess would be "Yes". "Dmitrij Malakhov" <Dmitrij Malakhov@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EEC59D1E-1D25-4134-8666-6369EB3E8678@microsoft.com... > Thank you for your prompt reply, Bill. > > I am afraid I do not fully understand your answer. I am aware of the fact > that Datacenter Virtualization benefit is as valid for VMWare, Parallels > as > for Hyper-V. What we are trying to clear up is if we have to buy > Datacenter > license for the third, stand-by, VMWare host. The other two are covered > with > such licenses. > > "Bill Grant" wrote: > >> The licences are linked to Server 2008 Datacenter Edition. What you >> use >> for virtualization does not matter. If the host is running Datacenter >> Edition you can run as many instances of Windows Server as you like as >> virtual machines on that host. >> >> "Dmitrij Malakhov" <Dmitrij Malakhov@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> message news:257BF18C-5FD1-48E9-AAEF-8D88E57DFD11@microsoft.com... >> > Hello. >> > >> > Please excuse if it is not appropriate to continue discussion in this >> > thread. >> > >> > Do you think you could dissect another scenario: >> > >> > 3 node VMWare infrastructure Standard with HA, 2 nodes actively hosting >> > Windows virtual machines and the 3rd one empty, used for fail-over. >> > >> > The 2 active nodes covered with Windows 2008 Datacenter licenses. >> > >> > >> > It is obvious that the 3rd one needs some kind of ms license coverage >> > if >> > it >> > is hosting Windows VMs. The vague point is - do we need to license the >> > third, stand-by host with an MS license if it is "empty", i.e. not >> > serving >> > any virtual machines? >> > >> > Thanks for you insight on this >> > >> > Dmitrij >> > >> > "DevilsPGD" wrote: >> > >> >> In message <16EC49A1-6D59-437D-9096-CB5669E23118@microsoft.com> >> >> HybridStudio <HybridStudio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server >> >> >enterprise >> >> >and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? >> >> >> >> From what I can tell, and from what Microsoft licensing told me when I >> >> inquired about 2003 datacenter, the particular VM technology doesn't >> >> matter. >> >> >> >> I don't see anything in the 2008 license that requires a specific VM >> >> technology either, but I might have missed it -- Call Microsoft to >> >> confirm. >> >> >> >> >I don't want to use Hyper-V >> >> >> >> Mind if I ask why not? I've been very impressed by Hyper-V RC in the >> >> lab, and plan on rolling out a semi-live installation this week to >> >> give >> >> it some real world testing. >> >> >> >> So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally. >> >> >>
Guest Dmitrij Malakhov Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 DataCentre and VMWare licensing Thanks again, Bill, I will try to arrange for this. Best regards, Dmitrij "Bill Grant" wrote: > You would need to talk to a Microsoft rep about that. Me guess would be > "Yes". > > "Dmitrij Malakhov" <Dmitrij Malakhov@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > message news:EEC59D1E-1D25-4134-8666-6369EB3E8678@microsoft.com... > > Thank you for your prompt reply, Bill. > > > > I am afraid I do not fully understand your answer. I am aware of the fact > > that Datacenter Virtualization benefit is as valid for VMWare, Parallels > > as > > for Hyper-V. What we are trying to clear up is if we have to buy > > Datacenter > > license for the third, stand-by, VMWare host. The other two are covered > > with > > such licenses. > > > > "Bill Grant" wrote: > > > >> The licences are linked to Server 2008 Datacenter Edition. What you > >> use > >> for virtualization does not matter. If the host is running Datacenter > >> Edition you can run as many instances of Windows Server as you like as > >> virtual machines on that host. > >> > >> "Dmitrij Malakhov" <Dmitrij Malakhov@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > >> message news:257BF18C-5FD1-48E9-AAEF-8D88E57DFD11@microsoft.com... > >> > Hello. > >> > > >> > Please excuse if it is not appropriate to continue discussion in this > >> > thread. > >> > > >> > Do you think you could dissect another scenario: > >> > > >> > 3 node VMWare infrastructure Standard with HA, 2 nodes actively hosting > >> > Windows virtual machines and the 3rd one empty, used for fail-over. > >> > > >> > The 2 active nodes covered with Windows 2008 Datacenter licenses. > >> > > >> > > >> > It is obvious that the 3rd one needs some kind of ms license coverage > >> > if > >> > it > >> > is hosting Windows VMs. The vague point is - do we need to license the > >> > third, stand-by host with an MS license if it is "empty", i.e. not > >> > serving > >> > any virtual machines? > >> > > >> > Thanks for you insight on this > >> > > >> > Dmitrij > >> > > >> > "DevilsPGD" wrote: > >> > > >> >> In message <16EC49A1-6D59-437D-9096-CB5669E23118@microsoft.com> > >> >> HybridStudio <HybridStudio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Can I run Windows Server 2008 datacenter on vmware virtual server > >> >> >enterprise > >> >> >and benefit from unlimited virtual machines? > >> >> > >> >> From what I can tell, and from what Microsoft licensing told me when I > >> >> inquired about 2003 datacenter, the particular VM technology doesn't > >> >> matter. > >> >> > >> >> I don't see anything in the 2008 license that requires a specific VM > >> >> technology either, but I might have missed it -- Call Microsoft to > >> >> confirm. > >> >> > >> >> >I don't want to use Hyper-V > >> >> > >> >> Mind if I ask why not? I've been very impressed by Hyper-V RC in the > >> >> lab, and plan on rolling out a semi-live installation this week to > >> >> give > >> >> it some real world testing. > >> >> > >> >> So far, Hyper-V has blown VMWare out of the water internally. > >> >> > >> >
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