Guest Dan Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to load. Did you temporarily remove it? http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page cannot be found.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Ditto. Dan wrote: > I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to > load. > Did you temporarily remove it? > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > > Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > cannot be found.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll take a look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Ditto. > > Dan wrote: >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >> load. >> Did you temporarily remove it? >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >> >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >> cannot be found. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, and perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what about Updates?) Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... Any others? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Ditto. > > Dan wrote: >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >> load. >> Did you temporarily remove it? >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >> >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >> cannot be found. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything else? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23BkDE%23k2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware > products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, > and perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what about Updates?) > > Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... > > Any others? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Ditto. >> >> Dan wrote: >>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >>> load. >>> Did you temporarily remove it? >>> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >>> >>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >>> cannot be found. >> > >
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I cast it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the W98 apps Gary, too out of touch with the 98 scene. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OUyAI4k2IHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer >appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll take a >look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Ditto. >> >> Dan wrote: >>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >>> load. >>> Did you temporarily remove it? >>> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >>> >>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >>> cannot be found. >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load At 2:10 AM, you'd think I'd be fast asleep on my couch (I literally live in the living room these days.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:u6jMV0l2IHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I cast >it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the W98 >apps Gary, too out of touch with the 98 scene. > > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP 1997 - 2008 > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OUyAI4k2IHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer >>appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll take >>a look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Ditto. >>> >>> Dan wrote: >>>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >>>> load. >>>> Did you temporarily remove it? >>>> >>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >>>> >>>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this >>>> page >>>> cannot be found. >>> >> >> > >
Guest Ingeborg Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything > else? > Agnitum Outpost Free <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php>
Guest Dan Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my opinion is almost too concerned about security which can be good and bad. It can help keep users safer but also raise false alarms like the one about Yahoo.com being infected, a false positive about a file on my dad's computer, prevent certain Microsoft tools like the client that Microsoft provided me from working to Please steer clear of AVG version 8 for any computer because at least the free version has known issues and will of course not run on 98. In regards, to firewalls you want a multi-layered safety and security approach to keeping 98 Second Edition safe on the Internet these days. I would suggest a router that has built in firewall capabilities and please don't use the default settings and change the authentication password to a complex password. Microsoft has a tool to help users make strong passwords. It is located at http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/checker.mspx In addition, a wired connection is always more secure than a wireless connection. Remember, that Microsoft will no longer provide security updates for Windows 98 Second Edition so users must use other software to make 98 and 98 SE more secure on the Internet. I like Mozilla Firefox and version 2.0.x is still supported with 98. Eventually, Mozilla will retire version 2 of Firefox and version 3 of Firefox does not support Windows 98. Opera has its fans but I do not care much for it and its user base is too small currently to have too many hackers working on breaking into the Opera web browser. The Opera web browser is an alternative especially if Mozilla discontinues support of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x and in doing so no longer provides support for Windows 98. As far as software firewalls are concerned I do not have a good suggestion of which one is best with Windows 98 and/or 98SE Edition. I like the XP Professional firewall but there you do have to watch if you allow any exceptions. I am giving Windows Live Care a trial period on the XP Professional side of my machine to see how I like it. "Ingeborg" wrote: > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > > > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have > > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything > > else? > > > > Agnitum Outpost Free > <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Why are you living in the living room, and not the computer room, at such an hour? Gary S. Terhune wrote: > At 2:10 AM, you'd think I'd be fast asleep on my couch (I literally live > in > the living room these days.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message > news:u6jMV0l2IHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I >> cast >> it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the >> W98 >> apps Gary, too out of touch with the 98 scene. >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Ron Badour >> MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:OUyAI4k2IHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer >>> appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll >>> take >>> a look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Ditto. >>>> >>>> Dan wrote: >>>>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >>>>> load. >>>>> Did you temporarily remove it? >>>>> >>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >>>>> >>>>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this >>>>> page >>>>> cannot be found.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load AVG is ending support for Win9x in August 2008. Support for AVG v7.5 in any Windows version ends in December 2008. ~~ ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Dan wrote: > Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus program > which works well...
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load The living room IS the computer room! Why do you think I live there? Computer, TV, heater, cooler, kitchen is five steps away... Who needs a bedroom? (Well, my daughter does, but I use mine for storage.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:%23WwxxMu2IHA.1808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Why are you living in the living room, and not the computer room, at such > an hour? > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> At 2:10 AM, you'd think I'd be fast asleep on my couch (I literally live >> in >> the living room these days.) >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message >> news:u6jMV0l2IHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I >>> cast >>> it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the >>> W98 >>> apps Gary, too out of touch with the 98 scene. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Ron Badour >>> MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >>> >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:OUyAI4k2IHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer >>>> appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll >>>> take >>>> a look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> Ditto. >>>>> >>>>> Dan wrote: >>>>>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails >>>>>> to >>>>>> load. >>>>>> Did you temporarily remove it? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this >>>>>> page >>>>>> cannot be found. > >
Guest PCR Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Dan wrote: | Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus | program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my opinion | is almost too concerned about security which can be good and bad. It | can help keep users safer but also raise false alarms like the one | about Yahoo.com being infected, a false positive about a file on my | dad's computer, prevent certain Microsoft tools like the client that | Microsoft provided me from working to It is easy & painless to go to avast!'s Settings, Exclusion, screen & enter the name of the false positive. I have "C:\Program Files\RioPort\Audio Manager\SetupMDM.exe" in there, myself! (To know whether a file is a false positive, send it to a site such as... http://virusscan.jotti.org/ ...., & it will be scanned by a ton of scanners.) | Please steer clear of AVG version 8 for any computer because at least | the free version has known issues and will of course not run on 98. | In regards, to firewalls you want a multi-layered safety and security | approach to keeping 98 Second Edition safe on the Internet these | days. I would suggest a router that has built in firewall | capabilities and please don't use the default settings and change the | authentication password to a complex password. Microsoft has a tool | to help users make strong passwords. It is located at | | http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/checker.mspx | | In addition, a wired connection is always more secure than a wireless | connection. Remember, that Microsoft will no longer provide security | updates for Windows 98 Second Edition so users must use other | software to make 98 and 98 SE more secure on the Internet. I like | Mozilla Firefox and version 2.0.x is still supported with 98. | Eventually, Mozilla will retire version 2 of Firefox and version 3 of | Firefox does not support Windows 98. Opera has its fans but I do not | care much for it and its user base is too small currently to have too | many hackers working on breaking into the Opera web browser. The | Opera web browser is an alternative especially if Mozilla | discontinues support of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x and in doing so no | longer provides support for Windows 98. As far as software firewalls | are concerned I do not have a good suggestion of which one is best | with Windows 98 and/or 98SE Edition. | | I like the XP Professional firewall but there you do have to watch if | you allow any exceptions. I am giving Windows Live Care a trial | period on the XP Professional side of my machine to see how I like it. | | | "Ingeborg" wrote: | |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> |> > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have |> > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything |> > else? |> > |> |> Agnitum Outpost Free |> <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Guess I'm just not used to the idea of a computer in the living room. But TV, yeah. Less distractions and more privacy (for computer use) in a separate room like a bedroom! Of course, if you're working on them (or several of them) for a living, that may not be as practical, or even desireable. Gary S. Terhune wrote: > The living room IS the computer room! Why do you think I live there? > Computer, TV, heater, cooler, kitchen is five steps away... Who needs a > bedroom? (Well, my daughter does, but I use mine for storage.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:%23WwxxMu2IHA.1808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Why are you living in the living room, and not the computer room, at such >> an hour? >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> At 2:10 AM, you'd think I'd be fast asleep on my couch (I literally live >>> in >>> the living room these days.) >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message >>> news:u6jMV0l2IHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I >>>> cast >>>> it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the >>>> W98 >>>> apps Gary, too out of touch with the 98 scene. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Ron Badour >>>> MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >>>> >>>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:OUyAI4k2IHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer >>>>> appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll >>>>> take >>>>> a look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Ditto. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan wrote: >>>>>>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> load. >>>>>>> Did you temporarily remove it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this >>>>>>> page >>>>>>> cannot be found.
Guest pixturesk@gmail.com Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load On Jun 29, 9:20 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware > products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, and > perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what about Updates?) > > Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... > > Any others? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > Ditto. > > > Dan wrote: > >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to > >> load. > >> Did you temporarily remove it? > > >>http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > > >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > >> cannot be found. The following is my setup for Win98SE: Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, Spyware Blaster, Sygate Version 5.5 2710, HiJack This, CCleaner. I regularly go to the highly reliable "grc.com" to check the quality of my protection by running their "Shields Up" tests (file sharing + common ports). With this configuration, my computer reports a perfect "stealth" result, non-existent on the internet.
Guest MEB Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load In news:%23BkDE%23k2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl at , Gary S. Terhune contemplated and posted: | Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other | anti-malware products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know | Avast! works well, and perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what | about Updates?) | | Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... | | Any others? Been recently looking myself to update my page, here's what I have so far for Anti-Virus products: http://www.nod32uk.com/products/win9x.php - NOD32 for Windows 95/98/ME {thought they had dropped support} UNTESTED Anti-Virus http://www.pspl.com/products/w95.htm - Protector Plus 2008 - 30 day eval. http://www.srnmicro.com/products/win9xpage.htm - Solo Anti-Virus - also DOS AV available http://www.sophos.com/products/small-business/system-requirements.html - Sophos AV http://www.quickheal.co.in/products.asp - Quick Heal AntiVirus Plus 2008 Desktop Price: $30/Year http://www.fireav.com/products/win95page.htm - FIRE ANTI-VIRUS KIT FOR WINDOWS 95, 98 & ME BitDefender sent out notice that they had re-done [fixed] the program, but I haven't tested the new version. http://www.bitdefender.com Several new firewall programs [and Anti-V, SpyWare] available on various shareware sites claiming 98 support | | | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message | news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> Ditto. |> |> Dan wrote: |>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails |>> to load. |>> Did you temporarily remove it? |>> |>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm |>> |>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this |>> page cannot be found. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Well, I hope you don't let CCLeaner do anything to the Registry. It has no history, no Undo function. I had the misfortune of having a Dell tech, of all people, install and run CCleaner in a clients new machine. Pissed me off royally. Had to do a System Restore (Vista machine.)There is no need for such a POS on a computer, IMO. Otherwise, thanks for sharing. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <pixturesk@gmail.com> wrote in message news:be75b70b-5a0b-40ff-ae70-de24b0806e64@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 29, 9:20 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >> Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware >> products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, >> and >> perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what about Updates?) >> >> Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... >> >> Any others? >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in >> messagenews:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> > Ditto. >> >> > Dan wrote: >> >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >> >> load. >> >> Did you temporarily remove it? >> >> >>http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >> >> >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this >> >> page >> >> cannot be found. > > The following is my setup for Win98SE: Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, > Spyware Blaster, Sygate Version 5.5 2710, HiJack This, CCleaner. I > regularly go to the highly reliable "grc.com" to check the quality of > my protection by running their "Shields Up" tests (file sharing + > common ports). With this configuration, my computer reports a perfect > "stealth" result, non-existent on the internet. >
Guest Dan Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Thanks for reminding me of that Robear. I appreciate it. "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > AVG is ending support for Win9x in August 2008. > > Support for AVG v7.5 in any Windows version ends in December 2008. > ~~ > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > > > Dan wrote: > > Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus program > > which works well... >
Guest Dan Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Thank PCR. "PCR" wrote: > Dan wrote: > | Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus > | program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my opinion > | is almost too concerned about security which can be good and bad. It > | can help keep users safer but also raise false alarms like the one > | about Yahoo.com being infected, a false positive about a file on my > | dad's computer, prevent certain Microsoft tools like the client that > | Microsoft provided me from working to > > It is easy & painless to go to avast!'s Settings, Exclusion, screen & > enter the name of the false positive. I have "C:\Program > Files\RioPort\Audio Manager\SetupMDM.exe" in there, myself! > > (To know whether a file is a false positive, send it to a site such > as... > http://virusscan.jotti.org/ > ...., & it will be scanned by a ton of scanners.) > > | Please steer clear of AVG version 8 for any computer because at least > | the free version has known issues and will of course not run on 98. > | In regards, to firewalls you want a multi-layered safety and security > | approach to keeping 98 Second Edition safe on the Internet these > | days. I would suggest a router that has built in firewall > | capabilities and please don't use the default settings and change the > | authentication password to a complex password. Microsoft has a tool > | to help users make strong passwords. It is located at > | > | http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/checker.mspx > | > | In addition, a wired connection is always more secure than a wireless > | connection. Remember, that Microsoft will no longer provide security > | updates for Windows 98 Second Edition so users must use other > | software to make 98 and 98 SE more secure on the Internet. I like > | Mozilla Firefox and version 2.0.x is still supported with 98. > | Eventually, Mozilla will retire version 2 of Firefox and version 3 of > | Firefox does not support Windows 98. Opera has its fans but I do not > | care much for it and its user base is too small currently to have too > | many hackers working on breaking into the Opera web browser. The > | Opera web browser is an alternative especially if Mozilla > | discontinues support of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x and in doing so no > | longer provides support for Windows 98. As far as software firewalls > | are concerned I do not have a good suggestion of which one is best > | with Windows 98 and/or 98SE Edition. > | > | I like the XP Professional firewall but there you do have to watch if > | you allow any exceptions. I am giving Windows Live Care a trial > | period on the XP Professional side of my machine to see how I like it. > | > | > | "Ingeborg" wrote: > | > |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > |> > |> > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have > |> > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything > |> > else? > |> > > |> > |> Agnitum Outpost Free > |> <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > >
Guest Dan Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load It sounds like enough people still use Windows 98 (or 98SE) to make it worthwhile for there to be some support left. Thanks for the information, MEB. "MEB" wrote: > > In news:%23BkDE%23k2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl at , > Gary S. Terhune contemplated and posted: > | Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other > | anti-malware products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know > | Avast! works well, and perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what > | about Updates?) > | > | Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... > | > | Any others? > > Been recently looking myself to update my page, here's what I have so far > for Anti-Virus products: > > http://www.nod32uk.com/products/win9x.php - NOD32 for Windows 95/98/ME > {thought they had dropped support} > > UNTESTED Anti-Virus > http://www.pspl.com/products/w95.htm - Protector Plus 2008 - 30 day eval. > http://www.srnmicro.com/products/win9xpage.htm - Solo Anti-Virus - also DOS > AV available > http://www.sophos.com/products/small-business/system-requirements.html - > Sophos AV > http://www.quickheal.co.in/products.asp - Quick Heal AntiVirus Plus 2008 > Desktop Price: > $30/Year > http://www.fireav.com/products/win95page.htm - FIRE ANTI-VIRUS KIT FOR > WINDOWS 95, 98 & ME > > BitDefender sent out notice that they had re-done [fixed] the program, but I > haven't tested the new version. > http://www.bitdefender.com > > Several new firewall programs [and Anti-V, SpyWare] available on various > shareware sites claiming 98 support > > > | > | > | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > | news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > |> Ditto. > |> > |> Dan wrote: > |>> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails > |>> to load. > |>> Did you temporarily remove it? > |>> > |>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > |>> > |>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this > |>> page cannot be found. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > > >
Guest pixturesk@gmail.com Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load On Jul 1, 1:04 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Well, I hope you don't let CCLeaner do anything to the Registry. It has no > history, no Undo function. I had the misfortune of having a Dell tech, of > all people, install and run CCleaner in a clients new machine. Pissed me off > royally. Had to do a System Restore (Vista machine.)There is no need for > such a POS on a computer, IMO. > > Otherwise, thanks for sharing. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com > > <pixtur...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:be75b70b-5a0b-40ff-ae70-de24b0806e64@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > On Jun 29, 9:20 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > >> Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware > >> products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, > >> and > >> perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what about Updates?) > > >> Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... > > >> Any others? > > >> -- > >> Gary S. Terhune > >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com > > >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in > >> messagenews:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > >> > Ditto. > > >> > Dan wrote: > >> >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to > >> >> load. > >> >> Did you temporarily remove it? > > >> >>http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > > >> >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this > >> >> page > >> >> cannot be found. > > > The following is my setup for Win98SE: Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, > > Spyware Blaster, Sygate Version 5.5 2710, HiJack This, CCleaner. I > > regularly go to the highly reliable "grc.com" to check the quality of > > my protection by running their "Shields Up" tests (file sharing + > > common ports). With this configuration, my computer reports a perfect > > "stealth" result, non-existent on the internet. I just run CCleaner in default mode, even let it mange my Firefox cookies, never have a problem, maybe I am just lucky, I think it is the best system cleaner available, always receives high praise from many trustworthy computer help sites,
Guest PCR Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Dan wrote: | Thank PCR. You are welcome. Despite a list of six/so peccadilloes, I remain very pleased with avast! Home Edition! It hasn't abandoned me yet like McAfee finally did! But I must say McAfee somehow remained free for me long past its expiration for some reason & worked fairly well-enough until near the end when the driver engines got persnicketty. Don't go mean-mouthing McAfee either! | "PCR" wrote: | |> Dan wrote: |> | Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus |> | program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my |> | opinion is almost too concerned about security which can be good |> | and bad. It can help keep users safer but also raise false alarms |> | like the one about Yahoo.com being infected, a false positive |> | about a file on my dad's computer, prevent certain Microsoft tools |> | like the client that Microsoft provided me from working to |> |> It is easy & painless to go to avast!'s Settings, Exclusion, screen & |> enter the name of the false positive. I have "C:\Program |> Files\RioPort\Audio Manager\SetupMDM.exe" in there, myself! |> |> (To know whether a file is a false positive, send it to a site such |> as... |> http://virusscan.jotti.org/ |> ...., & it will be scanned by a ton of scanners.) |> |> | Please steer clear of AVG version 8 for any computer because at |> | least the free version has known issues and will of course not run |> | on 98. In regards, to firewalls you want a multi-layered safety |> | and security approach to keeping 98 Second Edition safe on the |> | Internet these days. I would suggest a router that has built in |> | firewall capabilities and please don't use the default settings |> | and change the authentication password to a complex password. |> | Microsoft has a tool to help users make strong passwords. It is |> | located at |> | |> | http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/checker.mspx |> | |> | In addition, a wired connection is always more secure than a |> | wireless connection. Remember, that Microsoft will no longer |> | provide security updates for Windows 98 Second Edition so users |> | must use other software to make 98 and 98 SE more secure on the |> | Internet. I like Mozilla Firefox and version 2.0.x is still |> | supported with 98. Eventually, Mozilla will retire version 2 of |> | Firefox and version 3 of Firefox does not support Windows 98. |> | Opera has its fans but I do not care much for it and its user base |> | is too small currently to have too many hackers working on |> | breaking into the Opera web browser. The Opera web browser is an |> | alternative especially if Mozilla discontinues support of Mozilla |> | Firefox 2.0.x and in doing so no longer provides support for |> | Windows 98. As far as software firewalls are concerned I do not |> | have a good suggestion of which one is best with Windows 98 and/or |> | 98SE Edition. |> | |> | I like the XP Professional firewall but there you do have to watch |> | if you allow any exceptions. I am giving Windows Live Care a trial |> | period on the XP Professional side of my machine to see how I like |> | it. |> | |> | |> | "Ingeborg" wrote: |> | |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> |> |> |> > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have |> |> > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... |> |> > Anything else? |> |> > |> |> |> |> Agnitum Outpost Free |> |> <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments. http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Ditto. > > Dan wrote: >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to >> load. >> Did you temporarily remove it? >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm >> >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >> cannot be found. >
Guest pixturesk@gmail.com Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load On Jul 3, 4:28 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments.http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:O6t45fk2IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > Ditto. > > > Dan wrote: > >> I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to > >> load. > >> Did you temporarily remove it? > > >>http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > > >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > >> cannot be found. Gary, with reference to your final paragraph, I have written to the support forums of both Avast + Super AntiSpyware Free. For the time being Avast will continue to support Win98SE, the following quote from the forum spokesperson "As far we know, support to Windows 98 will continue in avast 4. New features aren't being added to old OS but just for the new ones." From Super AntiSpyware Free the following exchange, SAS says "Version 4.0 supports Windows 98SE and definitions in the future always work with previous versions of the software so there always will be definition updates. Windows 98 is approaching 11 years old. At some point Windows 98SE won't makes senses to support as the new technologies only apply to the NTFS file system, Vista, etc.", I say "So what you are saying is that even if you stop formally supporting Win98SE, the definitions will still be available even for version 4 that I am currently using, so SAS will continue to function as it now functions on my Win98SE computer?", SAS says "Yes, it will continue to function as-is and receive definition updates." Those replies ought to be comforting to 98SE users. Spyware Blaster continues to support 98SE even with their newest version. Sygate Personal Firewall version 5.5 build 2710, the version specifically for 98SE, continues to work superbly on my computer requiring no specific updates. So I am quite happy that these 4 programs will continue to protect my computer. I have put myself through the security testing regimen on the highly thought of "grc.com" site, specifically the "file sharing", + "common ports" tests. My results have been a perfect protection score to the point where hackers think that my computer is non-existent on the internet, neither initiating or replying to any requests for information. Just my experience.
Guest J. P. Gilliver Posted July 4, 2008 Posted July 4, 2008 Re: Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load Gary S. Terhune wrote: > The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments. > http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm [] Thanks; nice clean uncluttered page (I certainly didn't spot anything that triggered my proof-reading reflexes). Since the writing is on the wall for AVG 7.5, I thought I'd look at something else - you mention AvasT! as the head of your list, as do several other people, but it says on http://avast.com/eng/system-requirements-avast-home.html "A functional MS Internet Explorer 4 or higher is required for the program to work." Is this just for the helpfiles engine, or something else? I keep my '98 machines IE-free. -- J. P. Gilliver | Tel. +44 1634 203298
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