SP3 uninstall question

July 3, 2008

My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to SP3.

Used Dell reinstall CD and

thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have to

consider

uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is SP2.

Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not mention SP3,

at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can uninstall SP3 there.

My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I reinstalled Windows to

SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2? Might there be problems there?

The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't want to reinstall Windows again if

I can possibly avoid it. Advice/comments?

July 3, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Uninstalling WinXP SP3 will return your machine to WinXP SP1.

How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 3 from your computer:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950249

NB: WinXP SP1 is no longer supported. You would have to install SP2 (at

minimum) to be able to install any critical updates.

Uninstalling SP3 simply because the Sony application isn't working may be a

bit drastic. Make sure the Sony application itself is fully updated/patched

before taking such measures.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

xylophone wrote:

> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to SP3.

> Used Dell reinstall CD and

> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have to

> consider

> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

> SP2.

> Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not mention

> SP3,

> at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can uninstall SP3

> there.

> My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I reinstalled Windows to

> SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2? Might there be problems

> there?

> The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't want to reinstall Windows again

> if

> I can possibly avoid it. Advice/comments?

July 3, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

(since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

JS

"xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to SP3.

> Used Dell reinstall CD and

> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have to

> consider

> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I

> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2? Might

> there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't want to

> reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it. Advice/comments?

>

July 3, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Thanks, Bear, again. What I wanted to know. Said considering. Just to

get my options. Clealry, in view of what you say, no way I will unsintall

SP3.

Out of interest, as it would be drastic to do so, why should anyone want to

uninstall SP3?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eoOB8cS3IHA.1808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Uninstalling WinXP SP3 will return your machine to WinXP SP1.

>

> How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 3 from your computer:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950249

>

> NB: WinXP SP1 is no longer supported. You would have to install SP2 (at

> minimum) to be able to install any critical updates.

>

> Uninstalling SP3 simply because the Sony application isn't working may be

> a bit drastic. Make sure the Sony application itself is fully

> updated/patched before taking such measures.

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>

> xylophone wrote:

>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to SP3.

>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have to

>> consider

>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

>> SP2.

>> Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not mention

>> SP3,

>> at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can uninstall SP3

>> there.

>> My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I reinstalled Windows to

>> SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2? Might there be problems

>> there?

>> The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't want to reinstall Windows again

>> if

>> I can possibly avoid it. Advice/comments?

>

July 3, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

JS

Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows reinstall was

that I installed

the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said when

I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1). Everyone

who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that this is

bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my SP1

machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a reinstall of

Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am very

nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if I

wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If the Sony

program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I can't

take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see it as

of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do so. I

only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer will

play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I didn't

read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of the

guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

you that

"JS" <@> wrote in message news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>

> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>

> JS

>

> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to SP3.

>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have to

>> consider

>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I

>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't

>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>> Advice/comments?

>>

>

July 3, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in WinXP

SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

supported in SP3, too.

xylophone wrote:

> JS

>

> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>

> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows reinstall

> was

> that I installed

> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said

> when

> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

> Everyone

> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that this is

> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my SP1

> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a reinstall

> of

> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am very

> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if I

> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If the

> Sony

> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I can't

> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see it

> as

> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do so.

> I

> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer

> will

> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

> didn't

> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of the

> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>

> you that

> "JS" <@> wrote in message news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>

>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>

>> JS

>>

>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to

>>> SP3.

>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have to

>>> consider

>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I

>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't

>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>> Advice/comments?

July 4, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most interesting as

it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be compatible

with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more or

less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

different from SP2.

Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I uninstalled

SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because if

so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with SP3

is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in WinXP

> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

> supported in SP3, too.

>

> xylophone wrote:

>> JS

>>

>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>

>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows reinstall

>> was

>> that I installed

>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said

>> when

>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>> Everyone

>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that this

>> is

>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my SP1

>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a reinstall

>> of

>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am very

>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if I

>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If the

>> Sony

>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>> can't

>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see it

>> as

>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do so.

>> I

>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer

>> will

>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>> didn't

>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of

>> the

>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>

>> you that

>> "JS" <@> wrote in message news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>

>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>

>>> JS

>>>

>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to

>>>> SP3.

>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have

>>>> to

>>>> consider

>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind I

>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I don't

>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>> Advice/comments?

>

July 4, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

> Why do you [think] the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

Because very little in SP3 is new.

List of fixes that are included in WinXP SP3

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

If you started out with WinXP SP1 and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3

would return the machine to WinXP SP1.

If you started out with WinXP SP1, installed SP2 (which isn't necessary),

and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3 would return the machine to WinXP

SP2.

[it might be time to get a new camcorder, ya know?]

--

~PA Bear

xylophone wrote:

> Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most interesting

> as

> it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be compatible

> with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more or

> less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

> different from SP2.

>

> Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>

> Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

> earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I uninstalled

> SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because if

> so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with

> SP3

> is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in WinXP

>> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

>> supported in SP3, too.

>>

>> xylophone wrote:

>>> JS

>>>

>>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>>

>>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows reinstall

>>> was

>>> that I installed

>>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said

>>> when

>>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>>> Everyone

>>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that this

>>> is

>>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my SP1

>>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a reinstall

>>> of

>>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am very

>>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if I

>>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If the

>>> Sony

>>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>>> can't

>>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see it

>>> as

>>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do so.

>>> I

>>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

>>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer

>>> will

>>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>>> didn't

>>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of

>>> the

>>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>>

>>> you that

>>> "JS" <@> wrote in message

>>> news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>>

>>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>>

>>>> JS

>>>>

>>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to

>>>>> SP3.

>>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have

>>>>> to

>>>>> consider

>>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which is

>>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind

>>>>> I

>>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I

>>>>> don't

>>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>>> Advice/comments?

July 4, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Bear,

Perhaps. One final question (?), how do I tell if I have SP2 installed -

not in Add/Remove - so not installed?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Why do you [think] the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>

> Because very little in SP3 is new.

>

> List of fixes that are included in WinXP SP3

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

>

> If you started out with WinXP SP1 and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3

> would return the machine to WinXP SP1.

>

> If you started out with WinXP SP1, installed SP2 (which isn't necessary),

> and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3 would return the machine to WinXP

> SP2.

>

> [it might be time to get a new camcorder, ya know?]

> --

> ~PA Bear

>

> xylophone wrote:

>> Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most interesting

>> as

>> it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be compatible

>> with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more or

>> less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

>> different from SP2.

>>

>> Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>>

>> Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

>> earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I uninstalled

>> SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because

>> if

>> so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with

>> SP3

>> is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in

>>> WinXP

>>> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

>>> supported in SP3, too.

>>>

>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>> JS

>>>>

>>>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>>>

>>>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows

>>>> reinstall

>>>> was

>>>> that I installed

>>>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>>>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said

>>>> when

>>>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>>>> Everyone

>>>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>>>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that this

>>>> is

>>>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my SP1

>>>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a

>>>> reinstall

>>>> of

>>>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am

>>>> very

>>>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if

>>>> I

>>>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If the

>>>> Sony

>>>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>>>> can't

>>>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see

>>>> it

>>>> as

>>>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do

>>>> so.

>>>> I

>>>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

>>>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer

>>>> will

>>>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>>>> didn't

>>>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of

>>>> the

>>>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>>>

>>>> you that

>>>> "JS" <@> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>>>

>>>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>>>

>>>>> JS

>>>>>

>>>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to

>>>>>> SP3.

>>>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> consider

>>>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>>>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>>>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I

>>>>>> don't

>>>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>>>> Advice/comments?

>

July 4, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

xylophone wrote:

> Bear,

>

> Perhaps. One final question (?), how do I tell if I have SP2 installed -

> not in Add/Remove - so not installed?

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23uSDm0a3IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Why do you [think] the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>> Because very little in SP3 is new.

>>

>> List of fixes that are included in WinXP SP3

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

>>

>> If you started out with WinXP SP1 and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3

>> would return the machine to WinXP SP1.

>>

>> If you started out with WinXP SP1, installed SP2 (which isn't necessary),

>> and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3 would return the machine to WinXP

>> SP2.

>>

>> [it might be time to get a new camcorder, ya know?]

>> --

>> ~PA Bear

>>

>> xylophone wrote:

>>> Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most interesting

>>> as

>>> it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be compatible

>>> with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more or

>>> less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

>>> different from SP2.

>>>

>>> Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>>>

>>> Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

>>> earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I uninstalled

>>> SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because

>>> if

>>> so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with

>>> SP3

>>> is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in

>>>> WinXP

>>>> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

>>>> supported in SP3, too.

>>>>

>>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>>> JS

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>>>>

>>>>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows

>>>>> reinstall

>>>>> was

>>>>> that I installed

>>>>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>>>>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said

>>>>> when

>>>>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>>>>> Everyone

>>>>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>>>>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that this

>>>>> is

>>>>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my SP1

>>>>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a

>>>>> reinstall

>>>>> of

>>>>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am

>>>>> very

>>>>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if

>>>>> I

>>>>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If the

>>>>> Sony

>>>>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>>>>> can't

>>>>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see

>>>>> it

>>>>> as

>>>>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do

>>>>> so.

>>>>> I

>>>>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

>>>>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer

>>>>> will

>>>>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>>>>> didn't

>>>>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of

>>>>> the

>>>>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>>>>

>>>>> you that

>>>>> "JS" <@> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>>>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>>>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> JS

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to

>>>>>>> SP3.

>>>>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may have

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> consider

>>>>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>>>>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>>>>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in mind

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I

>>>>>>> don't

>>>>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>>>>> Advice/comments?

>

Start> Programs> Accessories> System Tools> System Information.

--

Semper Fi

July 4, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Thanks. Over and out.

"Ed Mc" <namvtn@comcast.invalid> wrote in message

news:47ednZUkmIeQp_PVnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...

> xylophone wrote:

>> Bear,

>>

>> Perhaps. One final question (?), how do I tell if I have SP2 installed -

>> not in Add/Remove - so not installed?

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23uSDm0a3IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Why do you [think] the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>>> Because very little in SP3 is new.

>>>

>>> List of fixes that are included in WinXP SP3

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

>>>

>>> If you started out with WinXP SP1 and then installed SP3, uninstalling

>>> SP3 would return the machine to WinXP SP1.

>>>

>>> If you started out with WinXP SP1, installed SP2 (which isn't

>>> necessary), and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3 would return the

>>> machine to WinXP SP2.

>>>

>>> [it might be time to get a new camcorder, ya know?]

>>> --

>>> ~PA Bear

>>>

>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>> Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most

>>>> interesting as

>>>> it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be

>>>> compatible

>>>> with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more

>>>> or

>>>> less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

>>>> different from SP2.

>>>>

>>>> Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3,

>>>> too

>>>>

>>>> Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

>>>> earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I

>>>> uninstalled

>>>> SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because

>>>> if

>>>> so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with

>>>> SP3

>>>> is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

>>>>

>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in

>>>>> WinXP

>>>>> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

>>>>> supported in SP3, too.

>>>>>

>>>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>>>> JS

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows

>>>>>> reinstall

>>>>>> was

>>>>>> that I installed

>>>>>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>>>>>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have

>>>>>> said

>>>>>> when

>>>>>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>>>>>> Everyone

>>>>>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>>>>>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that

>>>>>> this

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my

>>>>>> SP1

>>>>>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a

>>>>>> reinstall

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am

>>>>>> very

>>>>>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that

>>>>>> if I

>>>>>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> Sony

>>>>>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>>>>>> can't

>>>>>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> as

>>>>>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do

>>>>>> so.

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the

>>>>>> retailer

>>>>>> will

>>>>>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>>>>>> didn't

>>>>>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> you that

>>>>>> "JS" <@> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>>>>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>>>>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> JS

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> SP3.

>>>>>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>>>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may

>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> consider

>>>>>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website

>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I

>>>>>>>> can

>>>>>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in

>>>>>>>> mind I

>>>>>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>>>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I

>>>>>>>> don't

>>>>>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>>>>>> Advice/comments?

>>

> Start> Programs> Accessories> System Tools> System Information.

>

> --

> Semper Fi

July 4, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

If you started out with WinXP SP1, install then uninstall SP3, it's not

possible to have SP2 installed, period.

xylophone wrote:

> Bear,

>

> Perhaps. One final question (?), how do I tell if I have SP2 installed -

> not in Add/Remove - so not installed?

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23uSDm0a3IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Why do you [think] the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>>

>> Because very little in SP3 is new.

>>

>> List of fixes that are included in WinXP SP3

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

>>

>> If you started out with WinXP SP1 and then installed SP3, uninstalling

>> SP3

>> would return the machine to WinXP SP1.

>>

>> If you started out with WinXP SP1, installed SP2 (which isn't necessary),

>> and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3 would return the machine to

>> WinXP

>> SP2.

>>

>> [it might be time to get a new camcorder, ya know?]

>> --

>> ~PA Bear

>>

>> xylophone wrote:

>>> Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most interesting

>>> as

>>> it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be

>>> compatible

>>> with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more or

>>> less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

>>> different from SP2.

>>>

>>> Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>>>

>>> Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

>>> earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I

>>> uninstalled

>>> SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because

>>> if

>>> so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with

>>> SP3

>>> is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in

>>>> WinXP

>>>> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

>>>> supported in SP3, too.

>>>>

>>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>>> JS

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>>>>

>>>>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows

>>>>> reinstall

>>>>> was

>>>>> that I installed

>>>>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>>>>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have said

>>>>> when

>>>>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>>>>> Everyone

>>>>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>>>>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that

>>>>> this

>>>>> is

>>>>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my

>>>>> SP1

>>>>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a

>>>>> reinstall

>>>>> of

>>>>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am

>>>>> very

>>>>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that if

>>>>> I

>>>>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If

>>>>> the

>>>>> Sony

>>>>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>>>>> can't

>>>>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see

>>>>> it

>>>>> as

>>>>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do

>>>>> so.

>>>>> I

>>>>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be to

>>>>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the retailer

>>>>> will

>>>>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>>>>> didn't

>>>>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page of

>>>>> the

>>>>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>>>>

>>>>> you that

>>>>> "JS" <@> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>>>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>>>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> JS

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so to

>>>>>>> SP3.

>>>>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> consider

>>>>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website not

>>>>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I can

>>>>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in

>>>>>>> mind

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I

>>>>>>> don't

>>>>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>>>>> Advice/comments?

July 5, 2008

Re: SP3 uninstall question

Thanks. This has been confirmed in the course of a question I raised with

the MS dedicated SP3 assistance service

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eUG%23dsi3IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> If you started out with WinXP SP1, install then uninstall SP3, it's not

> possible to have SP2 installed, period.

>

> xylophone wrote:

>> Bear,

>>

>> Perhaps. One final question (?), how do I tell if I have SP2 installed -

>> not in Add/Remove - so not installed?

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23uSDm0a3IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Why do you [think] the Sony program should be supported in SP3, too

>>>

>>> Because very little in SP3 is new.

>>>

>>> List of fixes that are included in WinXP SP3

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

>>>

>>> If you started out with WinXP SP1 and then installed SP3, uninstalling

>>> SP3

>>> would return the machine to WinXP SP1.

>>>

>>> If you started out with WinXP SP1, installed SP2 (which isn't

>>> necessary),

>>> and then installed SP3, uninstalling SP3 would return the machine to

>>> WinXP

>>> SP2.

>>>

>>> [it might be time to get a new camcorder, ya know?]

>>> --

>>> ~PA Bear

>>>

>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>> Thanks, Bear, for hanging in here. I find your comment most

>>>> interesting

>>>> as

>>>> it reflects, if it does, my own view that things SP2 should be

>>>> compatible

>>>> with SP3. In my case, I say that because I understand SP3 is no more

>>>> or

>>>> less, as it were, than a collection of updates, and on that basis quite

>>>> different from SP2.

>>>>

>>>> Question 1. Why do you the Sony program should be supported in SP3,

>>>> too

>>>>

>>>> Question 2 As I reinstalled form SP1 to SP3, I understood you to say

>>>> earlier in this thread that I missed out on SP2, in that if I

>>>> uninstalled

>>>> SP3 I would revert to SP1. Is that correct? This is important because

>>>> if

>>>> so, the question whether my Sony program (SP2) might be compatible with

>>>> SP3

>>>> is academic, since I still couldn't use it.

>>>>

>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23EVMmdW3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Of the Sony application was not supported in WinXP SP1 but it is in

>>>>> WinXP

>>>>> SP2, I should think (but certainly cannot confirm) that it should be

>>>>> supported in SP3, too.

>>>>>

>>>>> xylophone wrote:

>>>>>> JS

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks. I think Bear has answered the technical question.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It may interest you, and Bear, that the reason for the Windows

>>>>>> reinstall

>>>>>> was

>>>>>> that I installed

>>>>>> the Sony program, stupidly, without checking it was SP1. It wasn't.

>>>>>> I excuse myself to a large extent in that the program should have

>>>>>> said

>>>>>> when

>>>>>> I tied to run it, beware, this is an SP2 program (you are on SP1).

>>>>>> Everyone

>>>>>> who knows about these things agrees with me this is what should have

>>>>>> happened, it didn't, and it has been suggested to me strongly that

>>>>>> this

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> bad program design on Sony's part. After the program installed, my

>>>>>> SP1

>>>>>> machine became unbelievably slow, so much so, Dell confirmed a

>>>>>> reinstall

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> Windows was necessary. I did that, and in the trauma of that (I am

>>>>>> very

>>>>>> nervous in such situations), I just went for SP3, on the basis that

>>>>>> if

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> wanted to get up to date, I might as well get fully up to date. If

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> Sony

>>>>>> program is no good for SP3, on which the retailer willl advise me, I

>>>>>> can't

>>>>>> take stuff off the camcorder onto my PC. At least, that is how I see

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> as

>>>>>> of now. Perhaps there is another program Sony say I could use to do

>>>>>> so.

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> only bought the thing a few weeks ago, so my best bet might well be

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> return the item to the retailer and get my money back, if the

>>>>>> retailer

>>>>>> will

>>>>>> play ball. What a complicated web we sometimes weave - all because I

>>>>>> didn't

>>>>>> read the install instructions 100% - the OS bit was on another page

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> guide.!! An object lesson for us all.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> you that

>>>>>> "JS" <@> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:%23Ei3MiS3IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Uninstall SP3, Install SP2

>>>>>>> (since you implied you went straight from SP1 to SP3).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Install Sony camcorder program, verify Sony program works OK,

>>>>>>> Then install SP3 and again verify Sony program still works OK.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> JS

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "xylophone" <m-rharrison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:eZon2PS3IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> My Dell XP was on SP1. Had to reinstall Windows. Chose to do so

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> SP3.

>>>>>>>> Used Dell reinstall CD and

>>>>>>>> thereafter Microsoft/Windows Update. Works perfectly. Now, may

>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> consider

>>>>>>>> uninstalling SP3 in order to install a Sony camcorder program which

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> SP2. Enquiring via retailer if program OK with SP3 (Sony website

>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>> mention SP3, at all: why not?). Meantime, I see in Add/Remove I

>>>>>>>> can

>>>>>>>> uninstall SP3 there. My question is - if I do so, and bearing in

>>>>>>>> mind

>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>> reinstalled Windows to SP3, will the uninstall take me back to SP2?

>>>>>>>> Might there be problems there? The reinstall was traumatic, and I

>>>>>>>> don't

>>>>>>>> want to reinstall Windows again if I can possibly avoid it.

>>>>>>>> Advice/comments?

>

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