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Guest Tom

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We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win 2000

server is installed.

can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

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Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

Hello Tom,

 

Is it only a workgroup server or domain controller. Please describe the roles

and installations that are running on the machine.

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win 2000

> server is installed.

> can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

> or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

Guest Tom

Guest Tom

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Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

Sorry for lac ok info.

 

It is primary dc.(gc,dns,dhcp,ras,wsus+iis,terminal services,routing and

remote access,all fsmo roles).

also have win2003 dc with dns and gc in same domain-secondary.

 

Meinolf Weber wrote:

> Hello Tom,

>

> Is it only a workgroup server or domain controller. Please describe the

> roles and installations that are running on the machine.

>

> Best regards

>

> Meinolf Weber

> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

> confers no rights.

> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>

>> We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win 2000

>> server is installed.

>> can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

>> or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

>

>

Guest Meinolf Weber

Guest Meinolf Weber

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Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

Hello Tom,

 

Is the server SBS? If not you used the badest option for installing your

roles. Multihoming a DC causes lot's of problems. For security reasons you

shouldn't run IIS, RRAS, Terminal services on a DC.

 

See here about multihoming:

1. Domain Controllers should not be multi-homed

2. Being a VPN Server and even simply running RRAS makes it multi-homed.

3. DNS,..even just all by itself, is better on a single homed machine.

4. Domain Controllers with the PDF Role are automatically Domain Master

Browser. Master Browsers should not be multi-homed

 

272294 - Active Directory Communication Fails on Multihomed Domain Controllers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;272294

 

191611 - Symptoms of Multihomed Browsers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;191611

 

Phillip Windell

http://www.wandtv.com

 

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,

or anyone else associated with me, including my cats. -----------------------------------------------------

 

 

See also:

 

Multihomed DCs, DNS, RRAS servers.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Below are the manual steps in more detail, which I had outlined in the above

paragraph:

 

Honestly, multi-homed DCs are not recommended because of the associated issues

that can occur, as you've encountered. We usually recommend purchasing an

inexpensive Linksys, DLink, etc, Cable/DSL router to perform NAT for you,

take out the extra NIC off the DC, but still let the DC handle DHCP (and

not the router).

 

Little background on AD and DNS:

First, just to get this out of the way, if you have your ISP's DNS addresses

in your IP configuration (DCs and clients), they need to be REMOVED.

 

If the ISP's DNS is in there, this will cause additional problems.

 

Also, AD registers certain records in DNS in the form of SRV records that

signify AD's resource and service locations. When there are multiple NICs,

each NIC registers. IF a client, or another DC queries DNS for this DC, it

may get the wrong record. One factor controlling this is Round Robin. If

a DC or client on another subnet that the DC is not configured on queries

for it, Round Robin will kick in offering one or the other. If the wrong

one gets offered, it may not have a route to it. On the other hand, Subnetmask

Priortization will ensure a querying client will get an IP that corresponds

to the subnet it's on, which will work. To insure everything works, stick

with one NIC.

 

Since this DC is multi-homed, it requires additional configuration to prevent

the public interface addresses from being registered in DNS. This creates

a problem for internal clients locating AD to authenticate and find other

services and resources such as the Global Catalog, file sharing and the SYSVOL

DFS share and can cause GPO errors with Userenv 1000 events to be logged,

authenticating to shares and printers, logging on takes forever, among numerous

other issues.

 

But if you like, there are some registry changes to eliminate the registration

of the external NIC. Here's the whole list of manual steps to follow.

 

But believe me, it's much easier to just get a separate NAT device or multihome

a non-DC then having to alter the DC. - Good luck!

 

1. Insure that all the NICS only point to your internal DNS server(s) only

and none others, such as your ISP's DNS servers' IP addresses.

 

2. In Network & Dialup properties, Advanced Menu item, Advanced Settings,

move the internal NIC (the network that AD is on) to the top of the binding

order (top of the list).

 

3. Disable the ability for the outer NIC to register. The procedure, as

mentioned, involves identifying the outer NIC's GUID number. This link will

show you how:

246804 - How to Enable-Disable Windows 2000 Dynamic DNS Registrations (per

NIC too):

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246804

 

4. Disable NetBIOS on the outside NIC. That is performed by choosing to

disable NetBIOS in IP Properties, Advanced, and you will find that under the

"WINS" tab. You may want to look at step #3 in the article to show you how

to disable NetBIOS on the RRAS interfaces if this is a RRAS server.

296379 - How to Disable NetBIOS on an Incoming Remote Access Interface

[Registry Entry]:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296379

 

Note: A standard Windows service, called the "Browser service", provides

the list of machines, workgroup and domain names that you see in "My Network

Places" (or the legacy term "Network Neighborhood"). The Browser service

relies on the NetBIOS service. One major requirement of NetBIOS service is

a machine can only have one name to one IP address. It's sort of a fingerprint.

You can't have two brothers named Darrell. A multihomed machine will cause

duplicate name errors on itself because Windows sees itself with the same

name in the Browse List (My Network Places), but with different IPs. You

can only have one, hence the error generated.

 

5. Disable the "File and Print Service" and disable the "MS Client Service"

on the outer NIC. That is done in NIC properties by unchecking the respective

service under the general properties page. If you need these services on

the outside NIC (which is unlikely), which allow other machines to connect

to your machine for accessing resource on your machine (shared folders, printers,

etc.), then you will probably need to keep them enabled.

 

6. Uncheck "Register this connection" under IP properties, Advanced settings,

"DNS" tab.

 

7. Delete the outer NIC IP address, disable Netlogon registration, and manually

create the required records

 

a. In DNS under the zone name, (your DNS domain name), delete the outer NIC's

IP references for the "LdapIpAddress". If this is a GC, you will need to

delete the GC IP record as well (the "GcIpAddress"). To do that, in the DNS

console, under the zone name, you will see the _msdcs folder. Under that,

you will see the _gc folder. To the right, you will see the IP address referencing

the GC address. That is called the GcIpAddress. Delete the IP addresses referencing

the outer NIC.

 

i. To stop these two records from registering that information,

use the steps provided in the links below:

Private Network Interfaces on a Domain Controller Are Registered in

DNShttp://support.microsoft.com/?id=295328

 

ii. The one section of the article that disables these records is done with

this registry entry:

 

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters

(Create this Multi-String Value under it):

Registry value: DnsAvoidRegisterRecords

Data type: REG_MULTI_SZ

Values: LdapIpAddress

GcIpAddress

 

iii. Here is more information on these and other Netlogon Service records:

 

Restrict the DNS SRV resource records updated by the Netlogon service

 

[including GC]:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/proddocs/standard/sag_dns_pro_no_rr_in_ad.asp

 

b. Then you will need to manually create these two records in DNS with the

IP addresses that you need for the DC. To create the

 

LdapIpAddress, create a new host under the domain, but leave the "hostname"

field blank, and provide the internal IP of the DC, which results in a

record that looks like:

(same as parent) A 192.168.5.200 (192.168.5.200 is used for illustrative

purposes)

 

i. You need to also manually create the GcIpAddress as well, if this is a

GC. That would be under the _msdcs._gc SRV record under the zone. It is created

in the same fashion as the LdapIpAddress mentioned above.

 

8. In the DNS console, right click the server name, choose properties, then

under the "Interfaces" tab, force it only to listen to the internal NIC's

IP address, and not the IP address of the outer NIC.

 

9. Since this is also a DNS server, the IPs from all NICs will register,

even if you tell it not to in the NIC properties. See this to show you how

to stop that behavior (this procedure is for Windows 2000, but will also

work for Windows 2003):

275554 - The Host's A Record Is Registered in DNS After You Choose Not to

Register the Connection's Address:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=275554

 

10. If you haven't done so, configure a forwarder. You can use 4.2.2.2 if

not sure which DNS to forward to until you've got the DNS address of your

ISP.

How to set a forwarder? Good question. Depending on your operating

system,choose one of the following articles:

 

300202 - HOW TO: Configure DNS for Internet Access in Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/?id=300202&FR=1

 

323380 - HOW TO: Configure DNS for Internet Access in Windows Server 2003

(How to configure a forwarder):

http://support.microsoft.com/d/id?=323380

 

Active Directory communication fails on multihomed domain controllers http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272294

 

<==*** Some additional reading ***==>

More links to read up and understand what is going on:

 

292822 - Name Resolution and Connectivity Issues on Windows 2000 Domain

Controller with Routing and Remote Access and DNS Insta {DNS and RRAS and

unwanted IPs registering]:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=292822

 

Active Directory communication fails on multihomed domain controllers http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272294

 

246804 - How to enable or disable DNS updates in Windows 2000 and in Windows

Server 2003

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246804

 

295328 - Private Network Interfaces on a Domain Controller Are Registered in

DNS

[also shows DnsAvoidRegisterRecords LdapIpAddress to avoid reg sameasparent

private IP]:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=295328

 

306602 - How to Optimize the Location of a DC or GC That Resides Outside of

a Client's

Site [includes info LdapIpAddress and GcIpAddress information and the SRV

mnemonic values]:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=306602

 

825036 - Best practices for DNS client settings in Windows 2000 Server and

in Windows Server 2003 (including how-to configure a forwarder): http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825036

 

291382 - Frequently asked questions about Windows 2000 DNS and Windows

Server 2003 DNS

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=291382

 

296379 - How to Disable NetBIOS on an Incoming Remote Access Interface

[Registry Entry]:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296379

 

Rid Pool Errors and other mutlhomed DC errors, and how to configure a multihomed

DC, Ace Fekay, 24 Feb 2006 http://www.ureader.com/message/3244572.aspx

 

_________________________ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

--

Regards,

Ace

 

 

This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and confers

no rights.

 

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP

Microsoft MVP - Directory Services

Microsoft Certified Trainer

 

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Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> Sorry for lac ok info.

>

> It is primary dc.(gc,dns,dhcp,ras,wsus+iis,terminal services,routing

> and

> remote access,all fsmo roles).

> also have win2003 dc with dns and gc in same domain-secondary.

> Meinolf Weber wrote:

>

>> Hello Tom,

>>

>> Is it only a workgroup server or domain controller. Please describe

>> the roles and installations that are running on the machine.

>>

>> Best regards

>>

>> Meinolf Weber

>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>> confers no rights.

>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>>> We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win

>>> 2000

>>> server is installed.

>>> can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

>>> or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

Guest Meinolf Weber

Guest Meinolf Weber

Posted
Posted

Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

Hello Tom,

 

First i would move the DHCP server to the 2003 box according to this:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325473

 

Then move/transfer the 5 FSMO roles to the 2003 DC according to this:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324801

 

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers

no rights.

** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

> Sorry for lac ok info.

>

> It is primary dc.(gc,dns,dhcp,ras,wsus+iis,terminal services,routing

> and

> remote access,all fsmo roles).

> also have win2003 dc with dns and gc in same domain-secondary.

> Meinolf Weber wrote:

>

>> Hello Tom,

>>

>> Is it only a workgroup server or domain controller. Please describe

>> the roles and installations that are running on the machine.

>>

>> Best regards

>>

>> Meinolf Weber

>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>> confers no rights.

>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>>> We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win

>>> 2000

>>> server is installed.

>>> can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

>>> or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

Guest Tom

Guest Tom

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Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

to explain again :

we have win 2000 standard primary dc and win 2003 standard secondary dc

in win 2000 native domain - both are global catalogs cause it is not

problem only with sbs.

 

now we have that already configured for years.

now for win 2000 we have license downgrade from 2003 but installed 2000

because ours demands in that time. (os on CD-s is win 2000)

 

question : how to upgrade win2000 to 2003 and retain present conf--

simple upgrade

 

also cause our system disc is failing we are in process of replacing the

future failing disc -- it folows clean install or image old disc

 

 

Meinolf Weber wrote:

> Hello Tom,

>

> First i would move the DHCP server to the 2003 box according to this:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325473

>

> Then move/transfer the 5 FSMO roles to the 2003 DC according to this:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324801

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Meinolf Weber

> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

> confers no rights.

> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>

>> Sorry for lac ok info.

>>

>> It is primary dc.(gc,dns,dhcp,ras,wsus+iis,terminal services,routing

>> and

>> remote access,all fsmo roles).

>> also have win2003 dc with dns and gc in same domain-secondary.

>> Meinolf Weber wrote:

>>

>>> Hello Tom,

>>>

>>> Is it only a workgroup server or domain controller. Please describe

>>> the roles and installations that are running on the machine.

>>>

>>> Best regards

>>>

>>> Meinolf Weber

>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>>> confers no rights.

>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>>>> We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win

>>>> 2000

>>>> server is installed.

>>>> can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

>>>> or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

>

>

Guest Tom

Guest Tom

Posted
Posted

Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

it is not multihomed.only 1 nic

also only vpn is used.

 

Meinolf Weber wrote:

> Hello Tom,

>

> First i would move the DHCP server to the 2003 box according to this:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325473

>

> Then move/transfer the 5 FSMO roles to the 2003 DC according to this:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324801

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Meinolf Weber

> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

> confers no rights.

> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>

>> Sorry for lac ok info.

>>

>> It is primary dc.(gc,dns,dhcp,ras,wsus+iis,terminal services,routing

>> and

>> remote access,all fsmo roles).

>> also have win2003 dc with dns and gc in same domain-secondary.

>> Meinolf Weber wrote:

>>

>>> Hello Tom,

>>>

>>> Is it only a workgroup server or domain controller. Please describe

>>> the roles and installations that are running on the machine.

>>>

>>> Best regards

>>>

>>> Meinolf Weber

>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>>> confers no rights.

>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>>>> We own win 2003 server licence with downgrade option and the win

>>>> 2000

>>>> server is installed.

>>>> can we upgrade to 2003 and how?

>>>> or can we do a clean install of 2003 on antoher disc with same vlk?

>

>

Guest Bill Grant

Guest Bill Grant

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Re: upgrading win 200 server

 

 

 

"Tom" <"znjicki[spam]"@yahoo.cmo> wrote in message

news:g4l0oh$q8u$3@localhost.localdomain...

> it is not multihomed.only 1 nic

> also only vpn is used.

>

It may only have one NIC, but if it is configured as a VPN server it

becomes multihomed as soon as the first remote user connects. The VPN server

gets a "VPN" IP (the server end of the connection) when the first client

connects. It appears in the RRAS console as "internal".

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