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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Your logic is faulty. Xp is an operating system and anyone who develops a

program (any program) to run with that OS has the responsibility to make it

compatible. Is it Microsoft's responsibility to test the thousands and

thousands of programs

developed by others for compatibility?

 

"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message

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>

> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message

> news:eptIcMW4IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Did you read what the Moderator on the Zone Alarm Forum posted ?

>> Do you understand that Zone Alarm is at fault for not recognizing the

>> differing file sizes and checksums ?

>> There is NO issue with the update except on systems with Zone Alarm

>> installed. Does that tell you anything ?

>>

> ...

>

> I appreciate your consistency, MG, but what it tells a number

> of us is that Microsoft issued an update safe on only

> some systems, namely those whose users had not opted to

> use ZoneAlarm as their AV. If it had been safe only on all

> machines except Dells, or all machines without WordPerfect

> installed, or all systems which use Outlook Express for

> mail, would you still say there was no issue?

>

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Guest Richard A. King

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RE: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

I have soreted this problem by removing Zone Alarm and installing the free

version of Online Armor as recommended by MowGreen in this thread

--

Regards, Richard

 

 

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> rectify the situation.

>

>

>

Guest MowGreen [MVP]

Guest MowGreen [MVP]

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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

You're mowst welcome, Clive. The issue that KB951748 addresses is *not*

trivial. Sadly, the bad gUyZ will be exploiting it when they can either

reverse engineer the update or, when specific details are released.

Here's an interesting read by the person who has been investigating it:

http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162

 

There's a DNS checker that one can use to see if having the update

applied mitigates the issue.

 

BTW, I doubt that the Mike Nash associated with Online Armor is the same

Mike Nash that I'm familiar with. The latter is the VP of Windows

Product Management.

 

 

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

===============

*-343-* FDNY

Never Forgotten

===============

 

 

 

 

DEFENDER01 wrote:

> 'MowGreen [MVP Wrote:

>

>>;3150788']I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro,

>>and

>>MediaCenter with no issue.

>>Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?

>>

>>BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with

>>

>>a firewall. The free version is he

>>http://tinyurl.com/34d8b4

>>

>>Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be

>>associated with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating

>>Windows. ZA has gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.

>>

>>Just my 2¢

>>

>>MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

>>===============

>>*-343-* FDNY

>>Never Forgotten

>>===============

>>

>>

>>

>>R. McCarty wrote:

>>-

>>The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of

>>the

>>5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your

>>PC

>>is using Zone Alarm ).

>>

>>Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone

>>Alarm installed.

>>

>>"swassociates" swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com wrote in message

>>

>>news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...

>>-

>>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

>>ZoneAlarm

>>website.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>"R. McCarty" wrote:

>>

>>-

>>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on

>>machines

>>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>>will

>>rectify the situation.

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>

>>-

>

> Thanks for the thumbs up on online Armor.

> after installing the new Microsoft update i was no longer able to go

> online.

>

> zonalarm has not been good lately and i have now downloaded online

> Armor.

> this seems to be a great Firewall

>

> Many thanks for the info.

> Clive.

>

>

>

>

Guest whosbest54

Guest whosbest54

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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

In article <#8Mhx7S4IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com

says...

>

>

>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

>rectify the situation.

>

The official temp workarounds from ZA are here:

 

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

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Guest Anthony Buckland

Guest Anthony Buckland

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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

 

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

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> Your logic is faulty. Xp is an operating system and anyone who develops a

> program (any program) to run with that OS has the responsibility to make

> it compatible. ...

 

The reason people buy an operating system is to provide an environment

in which they can run applications which do actual work. An OS has no

other reason for existence, and if it fails to provide the desired

environment

it isn't doing its job. Once people develop applications to run with an OS,

and have achieved compatibility, they should be able to expect the OS not

to change so as to redefine that compatibility and to require that they

modify their application accordingly. They should expect to spend their

money on making their application compatible with a new OS, such as

Vista, but they shouldn't, ideally anyway, have to waste it on recovering

compatibility after a change in an existing OS, such as XP.

 

A side issue, but not an insignificant one, is the damage to the

reputation of a product which a situation like the current one can

cause. Just look at the trashing of ZoneAlarm in some responses

in the threads in this group, and at the reports by some users of

following advice to switch to another product. Which works for now.

What happens if another MS update yanks the floor from under _it_?

Guest Unknown

Guest Unknown

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Answered inline

"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

> news:Fa4dk.13587$xZ.967@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

>> Your logic is faulty. Xp is an operating system and anyone who develops a

>> program (any program) to run with that OS has the responsibility to make

>> it compatible. ...

>

> The reason people buy an operating system is to provide an environment

> in which they can run applications which do actual work. An OS has no

> other reason for existence, and if it fails to provide the desired

> environment

> it isn't doing its job.

You fail to recognize that the OS was released first. Now someone else wants

to run their progam (non compatible)

and they blame the OS. Combine that with all the virus' being developed that

the OS must make changes to for

security.

 

 

Once people develop applications to run with an OS,

> and have achieved compatibility, they should be able to expect the OS not

> to change so as to redefine that compatibility and to require that they

> modify their application accordingly.

How about security changes??? Do you honestly believe anyone who develops an

OS

can foresee all the security problems??

 

They should expect to spend their

> money on making their application compatible with a new OS, such as

> Vista, but they shouldn't, ideally anyway, have to waste it on recovering

> compatibility after a change in an existing OS, such as XP.

 

I'm sure if you have a better idea on correcting security problems Microsoft

will listen to you.

>

> A side issue, but not an insignificant one, is the damage to the

> reputation of a product which a situation like the current one can

> cause. Just look at the trashing of ZoneAlarm in some responses

> in the threads in this group, and at the reports by some users of

> following advice to switch to another product. Which works for now.

> What happens if another MS update yanks the floor from under _it_?

 

That is an unfortunate part of doing business.

Do you remember the tire problem on Ford Explorers?

What happened to the tire company?

Ask yourself, what you would have done or would do if you were CEO of

Microsoft.

>

>

Guest John

Guest John

Posted
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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to

access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection or

does it allow all outbound connection?

 

 

"MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message

news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and

> MediaCenter with no issue.

> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?

>

> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with a

> firewall. The free version is here:

> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall-protection-software.html

>

> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be associated

> with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating Windows. ZA has

> gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.

>

> Just my 2¢

>

> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

> ===============

> *-343-* FDNY

> Never Forgotten

> ===============

>

>

>

> R. McCarty wrote:

>

>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the

>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC

>> is using Zone Alarm ).

>>

>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone

>> Alarm installed.

>>

>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...

>>

>>>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

>>>ZoneAlarm

>>>website.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"R. McCarty" wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

>>>>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>>>>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>>>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>>>>will

>>>>rectify the situation.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>

>>

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

See related conversations in this forum:

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

 

Keep an eye on this thread:

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message.id=52785

 

Although the fix here should work:

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message.id=52727

 

I strongly disagree with this advice:

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

Perhaps a better firewall is what's needed?

http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

 

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

R. McCarty wrote:

> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> rectify the situation.

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

YES!

 

John wrote:

> Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to

> access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection or

> does it allow all outbound connection?

>

>

> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message

> news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and

>> MediaCenter with no issue.

>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?

>>

>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with a

>> firewall. The free version is here:

>> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall-protection-software.html

>>

>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be

>> associated

>> with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating Windows. ZA has

>> gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.

>>

>> Just my 2¢

>>

>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

>> ===============

>> *-343-* FDNY

>> Never Forgotten

>> ===============

>>

>>

>>

>> R. McCarty wrote:

>>

>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the

>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC

>>> is using Zone Alarm ).

>>>

>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone

>>> Alarm installed.

>>>

>>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...

>>>

>>>> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

>>>> ZoneAlarm

>>>> website.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "R. McCarty" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on

>>>>> machines

>>>>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>>>>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>>>>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>>>>> will

>>>>> rectify the situation.

Guest Joan Archer

Guest Joan Archer

Posted
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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Yes it does, even better when you have the paid version you get a lot more

features <g>

 

--

Joan Archer

http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher

http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

 

"John" <a> wrote in message news:uB8odff4IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to

> access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection or

> does it allow all outbound connection?

>

>

> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message

> news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and

>> MediaCenter with no issue.

>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?

>>

>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with a

>> firewall. The free version is here:

>> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall-protection-software.html

>>

>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be

>> associated with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating

>> Windows. ZA has gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.

>>

>> Just my 2¢

>>

>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

>> ===============

>> *-343-* FDNY

>> Never Forgotten

>> ===============

>>

>>

>>

>> R. McCarty wrote:

>>

>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the

>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC

>>> is using Zone Alarm ).

>>>

>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone

>>> Alarm installed.

>>>

>>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...

>>>

>>>>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

>>>>ZoneAlarm

>>>>website.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>"R. McCarty" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

>>>>>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>>>>>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>>>>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>>>>>will

>>>>>rectify the situation.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>

>>>

>

Guest John

Guest John

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

I suppose that's yes, it does notify us.

Cool. I'll give it a try.

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> YES!

>

> John wrote:

>> Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to

>> access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection

>> or

>> does it allow all outbound connection?

>>

>>

>> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message

>> news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and

>>> MediaCenter with no issue.

>>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?

>>>

>>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with

>>> a

>>> firewall. The free version is here:

>>> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall-protection-software.html

>>>

>>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be

>>> associated

>>> with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating Windows. ZA has

>>> gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.

>>>

>>> Just my 2¢

>>>

>>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

>>> ===============

>>> *-343-* FDNY

>>> Never Forgotten

>>> ===============

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> R. McCarty wrote:

>>>

>>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of

>>>> the

>>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC

>>>> is using Zone Alarm ).

>>>>

>>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone

>>>> Alarm installed.

>>>>

>>>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>>> message

>>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...

>>>>

>>>>> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

>>>>> ZoneAlarm

>>>>> website.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "R. McCarty" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on

>>>>>> machines

>>>>>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>>>>>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>>>>>> will

>>>>>> rectify the situation.

>

Guest debbienc

Guest debbienc

Posted
Posted

RE: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

I too am having problems with this update. I have installed it on 2

computers, and each time I have to uninstall it, because I cannot connect to

the internet. My Zone Alarm is not telling me that anything is trying to

access the internet. It just says "this page cannot be displayed" when I try

to connect to the internet.

 

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> rectify the situation.

>

>

>

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Resolution [was Workaround] for Sudden Loss of Internet Access Problem

(revised multiple times since release on 08 July 2008)

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

NB: Do NOT use Option #2 if at all possible! The vulnerability addressed by

KB951748 *is* a big deal! See

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/07/patch_the_entire_internet_tues_1.html

 

Want to consider other, more highly-rated firewalls?

http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

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MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

debbienc wrote:

> I too am having problems with this update. I have installed it on 2

> computers, and each time I have to uninstall it, because I cannot connect

> to

> the internet. My Zone Alarm is not telling me that anything is trying to

> access the internet. It just says "this page cannot be displayed" when I

> try

> to connect to the internet.

>

> "R. McCarty" wrote:

>

>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>> will

>> rectify the situation.

Guest hwjgage@gmail.com

Guest hwjgage@gmail.com

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

On Jul 9, 1:29 am, "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgr...@nowandzen.com> wrote:

> No, the issue is caused byZoneAlarm, as explained by a moderator in

> the ZA Forum:http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message...

>

> > If the windowsupdatechanged the usual needed files for networking/internet, then the ZA will not

> > see the changes and continue to use the previously known files and ignore the newer files. Even though

> > the file names and locations are still the same from before, now the file size and checksums no longer

> > match.

>

> This is wholly *** Checkpoint's fault ***, notMicrosoft's.

> Resetting the ZA database in Safe Mode is the recommended fix. Please

> click the ZA Forum URL for the entire fix.

> Setting security to "Medium" is not good practice.

>

> MowGreen  [MVP 2003-2008]

> ===============

>   *-343-*  FDNY

> Never Forgotten

> ===============

>

>

>

> Stephanie wrote:

>

> > "Anthony Buckland" wrote:

>

> >>"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

> >>news:%238Mhx7S4IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> >>>Just a little info. Be careful of today'sMicrosoftUpdates on machines

> >>>that are usingZoneAlarmFree ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> >>>ZoneAlarmclient will block almost every web access with an alert.

> >>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> >>>rectify the situation.

>

> >>I ran into the problem, and I'm using 7.0.473.000.

> >>It seems a bad idea to implementupdateKB951748 for the

> >>time being, particularly since it shuts you off from this and other

> >>discussions about it.  :(

>

> > I reported this problem earlier on another forum.  The problem is with the

> >UpdateKB951748 and not ZoneAlarm.  As mention, Internet coonection is

> > re-established on a firewall setting of Medium.  Uninstalling theupdate

> > allows you to reset ZA to the highest setting.

>

> > I had thisupdateas a notification (yellow shield) in tray.  Since it

> > wouldn't go away, I had to go to theUpdatesite and select 'do not show this

> >update' to get rid of it.

>

> > Will reset for theupdateonce the problem with ZA is fixed.  I would be

> > interested to know if thisupdateaffected other firewalls.

>

> > Ron- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

I've already tried the ZA fix described in the forum and it didn't

work. Has anybody else tried it?

Guest JosephV

Guest JosephV

Posted
Posted

RE: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

All you have to do is add the necessary outgoing ports in ZoneAlarm Internet

Zone. I added 80, 443, 25, 110 as minimum. Then browsing should magically

continue.

 

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> rectify the situation.

>

>

>

Guest Galen Somerville

Guest Galen Somerville

Posted
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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

 

<hwjgage@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Jul 9, 1:29 am, "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgr...@nowandzen.com> wrote:

> No, the issue is caused byZoneAlarm, as explained by a moderator in

> the ZA

> Forum:http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message...

>

> > If the windowsupdatechanged the usual needed files for

> > networking/internet, then the ZA will not

> > see the changes and continue to use the previously known files and

> > ignore the newer files. Even though

> > the file names and locations are still the same from before, now the

> > file size and checksums no longer

> > match.

>

> This is wholly *** Checkpoint's fault ***, notMicrosoft's.

> Resetting the ZA database in Safe Mode is the recommended fix. Please

> click the ZA Forum URL for the entire fix.

> Setting security to "Medium" is not good practice.

>

> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

> ===============

> *-343-* FDNY

> Never Forgotten

> ===============

>

>

>

> Stephanie wrote:

>

> > "Anthony Buckland" wrote:

>

> >>"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

> >>news:%238Mhx7S4IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> >>>Just a little info. Be careful of today'sMicrosoftUpdates on machines

> >>>that are usingZoneAlarmFree ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> >>>ZoneAlarmclient will block almost every web access with an alert.

> >>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

> >>>will

> >>>rectify the situation.

>

> >>I ran into the problem, and I'm using 7.0.473.000.

> >>It seems a bad idea to implementupdateKB951748 for the

> >>time being, particularly since it shuts you off from this and other

> >>discussions about it. :(

>

> > I reported this problem earlier on another forum. The problem is with

> > the

> >UpdateKB951748 and not ZoneAlarm. As mention, Internet coonection is

> > re-established on a firewall setting of Medium. Uninstalling theupdate

> > allows you to reset ZA to the highest setting.

>

> > I had thisupdateas a notification (yellow shield) in tray. Since it

> > wouldn't go away, I had to go to theUpdatesite and select 'do not show

> > this

> >update' to get rid of it.

>

> > Will reset for theupdateonce the problem with ZA is fixed. I would be

> > interested to know if thisupdateaffected other firewalls.

>

> > Ron- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

I've already tried the ZA fix described in the forum and it didn't

work. Has anybody else tried it?

 

I installed the new basic (free) firewall then installed the ms update.

 

All works fine here.

 

Galen

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

hwjgage@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> I've already tried the ZA fix described in the forum and it didn't

> work. Has anybody else tried it?

 

What fix? Have you looked at

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

lately?

--

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MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

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Guest HB

Guest HB

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Go to :

http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

 

and do a check for your updates history (click on link in left pane of your

screen). you will get a list of all the updates you downloaded automatically.

 

"Big_Al" wrote:

> R. McCarty wrote:

> > Haven't isolated the issue, but Zone Alarm blocking all site activity

> > is the first effect of today's updates that has shown up. Still checking

> > to see if I can figure out what is going on.

> >

> > "noone" <noone@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > news:3tPck.17362$Ri.8056@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...

> >> Not convinced it's ZA that's the problem which is why I asked about

> >> KB951748.

> >>

> >>

> >> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message

> >> news:%238Mhx7S4IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> >>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> >>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> >>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

> >>> will

> >>> rectify the situation.

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> I can't find reference to the KB article in MS? And I've got updates

> turned on and it's not offered. But I have ZoneAlarm free 7.0.470.

> So I'm interested how you got the update? And of course your

> investigation.

>

Guest HB

Guest HB

Posted
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RE: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

My insternet providerTech support suggested that I call ZoneAlarm for this

issue (1-877-365-9663) however, I kept receiving a recording to the effect

of: "try to call at a later time"

 

The only way for me to access my e-mail is by disabling (shutting down)

ZoneAlarm. In doing so, my NortonAV gives me a message that

Internet/advanced Firewall : At Risk.

Maybe it's wise to uninstall KB951748

 

"swassociates" wrote:

> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the ZoneAlarm

> website.

>

>

>

>

> "R. McCarty" wrote:

>

> > Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> > that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> > Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> > Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> > rectify the situation.

> >

> >

> >

Guest fieldmouse

Guest fieldmouse

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

I don't have Zone Alarm installed and this update freezes my access to

internet and to my Outlook for email.

 

"noone" wrote:

> Not convinced it's ZA that's the problem which is why I asked about

> KB951748.

>

>

> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message

> news:%238Mhx7S4IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> > that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> > Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> > Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> > rectify the situation.

> >

>

>

>

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

Resolution [was Workaround] for Sudden Loss of Internet Access Problem

(revised multiple times since release on 08 July 2008)

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

NB: Do NOT use Option #2 if at all possible! The vulnerability addressed by

KB951748 *is* a big deal! See

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/07/patch_the_entire_internet_tues_1.html

 

Want to consider other, more highly-rated firewalls?

http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

 

--

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MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

HB wrote:

> My insternet providerTech support suggested that I call ZoneAlarm for this

> issue (1-877-365-9663) however, I kept receiving a recording to the effect

> of: "try to call at a later time"

>

> The only way for me to access my e-mail is by disabling (shutting down)

> ZoneAlarm. In doing so, my NortonAV gives me a message that

> Internet/advanced Firewall : At Risk.

> Maybe it's wise to uninstall KB951748

>

> "swassociates" wrote:

>

>> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

>> ZoneAlarm website.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "R. McCarty" wrote:

>>

>>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

>>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

>>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

>>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

>>> will

>>> rectify the situation.

Guest Damien

Guest Damien

Posted
Posted

RE: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will

> rectify the situation.

 

Just ran into the same issue myself. Workaround is to downgrade security

from High to Medium for Internet Zone.

 

FYI, It's all over ZoneAlarm's home page. Check out the link

 

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

They have updated versions of their software that will fix the issue.

 

Regards

Guest Mike B.

Guest Mike B.

Posted
Posted

Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

hello, I have the same issue as everyone else because I'm running zone alarm

as well. I went to add/remove programs and can't find it to uninstall it.

Does anyone have a suggestion? thanks

 

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the

> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC

> is using Zone Alarm ).

>

> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone

> Alarm installed.

>

> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...

> > I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the

> > ZoneAlarm

> > website.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "R. McCarty" wrote:

> >

> >> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines

> >> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the

> >> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.

> >> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it

> >> will

> >> rectify the situation.

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

>

Guest Kayman

Guest Kayman

Posted
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Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

 

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:49:49 -0700, Anthony Buckland wrote:

> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message

> news:eptIcMW4IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Did you read what the Moderator on the Zone Alarm Forum posted ?

>> Do you understand that Zone Alarm is at fault for not recognizing the

>> differing file sizes and checksums ?

>> There is NO issue with the update except on systems with Zone Alarm

>> installed. Does that tell you anything ?

>>

> ...

>

> I appreciate your consistency, MG, but what it tells a number

> of us is that Microsoft issued an update safe on only

> some systems, namely those whose users had not opted to

> use ZoneAlarm as their AV. If it had been safe only on all

> machines except Dells, or all machines without WordPerfect

> installed, or all systems which use Outlook Express for

> mail, would you still say there was no issue?

 

do your homework.

 

http://securosis.com/2008/07/08/dan-kaminsky-discovers-fundamental-issue-in-dns-massive-multivendor-patch-released/

 

Mr. Kaminsky immediately reported the issue to major authorities, including

the United States Computer Emergency Response Team (part of the Department

of Homeland Security), and began working on a coordinated fix. Engineers

from *major technology vendors* around the world converged on the Microsoft

campus in March to coordinate their response. All of the vendors began

repairing their products and agreed that a synchronized release, on a

single day, would minimize the risk that malicious individuals could figure

out the vulnerability before all vendors were able to offer secure versions

of their products.

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