Guest John Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 "Lee Antony" <leemailx-msnews1@yahoo.co.k> wrote in message news:uvPy%23U64IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> I've just installed 7.0.483.000, and the outstanding MIcrosoft updates. >> Everything seems to be working ok so far. Thanks to ZoneAlarm for >> their swift action. > > Swift action? > Checkpoint had knowledge of this update four months ago. Do you have any proof (URL)? > They did nothing to help their users until disaster > came upon them. Maybe an error in timing but still shame on them. How were they supposed to release a fix for something that wasn't "broken" back then?
Guest Big_Al Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 John wrote: > "Lee Antony" <leemailx-msnews1@yahoo.co.k> wrote in message > news:uvPy%23U64IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> I've just installed 7.0.483.000, and the outstanding MIcrosoft updates. >>> Everything seems to be working ok so far. Thanks to ZoneAlarm for >>> their swift action. >> Swift action? >> Checkpoint had knowledge of this update four months ago. > > Do you have any proof (URL)? > >> They did nothing to help their users until disaster >> came upon them. Maybe an error in timing but still shame on them. > > How were they supposed to release a fix for something that wasn't "broken" > back then? > > The DNS bug was found and should have been a co-operative update on July 8, and you can read about it here if interested: http://securosis.com/2008/07/08/dan-kaminsky-discovers-fundamental-issue-in-dns-massive-multivendor-patch-released/
Guest Matt Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 I got the email from Zone Alarm as well and downloaded the new update. Rebooted. Did not fix the problem. I also removed the KB951748 update. Rebooted. Did not fix the problem. Weird thing is that I can use Firefox and Outlook Express just fine. The problem is with IE and just about all other programs that need to access the internet. I can't even use the ZA update feature since it sees not internet connection. Why would only Firefox work but nothing else sees my internet connection? "MowGreen [MVP]" wrote: > You're mowst welcome, Clive. The issue that KB951748 addresses is *not* > trivial. Sadly, the bad gUyZ will be exploiting it when they can either > reverse engineer the update or, when specific details are released. > Here's an interesting read by the person who has been investigating it: > http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162 > > There's a DNS checker that one can use to see if having the update > applied mitigates the issue. > > BTW, I doubt that the Mike Nash associated with Online Armor is the same > Mike Nash that I'm familiar with. The latter is the VP of Windows > Product Management. > > > MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] > =============== > *-343-* FDNY > Never Forgotten > =============== > > > > > DEFENDER01 wrote: > > > 'MowGreen [MVP Wrote: > > > >>;3150788']I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, > >>and > >>MediaCenter with no issue. > >>Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ? > >> > >>BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with > >> > >>a firewall. The free version is he > >>http://tinyurl.com/34d8b4 > >> > >>Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be > >>associated with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating > >>Windows. ZA has gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it. > >> > >>Just my 2¢ > >> > >>MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] > >>=============== > >>*-343-* FDNY > >>Never Forgotten > >>=============== > >> > >> > >> > >>R. McCarty wrote: > >>- > >>The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of > >>the > >>5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your > >>PC > >>is using Zone Alarm ). > >> > >>Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone > >>Alarm installed. > >> > >>"swassociates" swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com wrote in message > >> > >>news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com... > >>- > >>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the > >>ZoneAlarm > >>website. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>"R. McCarty" wrote: > >> > >>- > >>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on > >>machines > >>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the > >>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert. > >>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it > >>will > >>rectify the situation. > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >> > >>- > > > > Thanks for the thumbs up on online Armor. > > after installing the new Microsoft update i was no longer able to go > > online. > > > > zonalarm has not been good lately and i have now downloaded online > > Armor. > > this seems to be a great Firewall > > > > Many thanks for the info. > > Clive. > > > > > > > > >
Guest Matt Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 I got the email from Zone Alarm as well and downloaded the new ZA update. Rebooted. Did not fix the problem. I also removed the KB951748 update. Rebooted. Did not fix the problem. I turned off the Auto Update feature in XP. Weird thing is that I can use Firefox and Outlook Express. Why do those work?? The problem is with IE and just about all other programs that need to access the internet. I can't even use the ZA update feature since it sees no internet connection. Why would only Firefox work but nothing else sees my internet connection? "MowGreen [MVP]" wrote: > You're mowst welcome, Clive. The issue that KB951748 addresses is *not* > trivial. Sadly, the bad gUyZ will be exploiting it when they can either > reverse engineer the update or, when specific details are released. > Here's an interesting read by the person who has been investigating it: > http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162 > > There's a DNS checker that one can use to see if having the update > applied mitigates the issue. > > BTW, I doubt that the Mike Nash associated with Online Armor is the same > Mike Nash that I'm familiar with. The latter is the VP of Windows > Product Management. > > > MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] > =============== > *-343-* FDNY > Never Forgotten > =============== > > > > > DEFENDER01 wrote: > > > 'MowGreen [MVP Wrote: > > > >>;3150788']I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, > >>and > >>MediaCenter with no issue. > >>Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ? > >> > >>BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with > >> > >>a firewall. The free version is he > >>http://tinyurl.com/34d8b4 > >> > >>Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be > >>associated with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating > >>Windows. ZA has gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it. > >> > >>Just my 2¢ > >> > >>MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] > >>=============== > >>*-343-* FDNY > >>Never Forgotten > >>=============== > >> > >> > >> > >>R. McCarty wrote: > >>- > >>The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of > >>the > >>5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your > >>PC > >>is using Zone Alarm ). > >> > >>Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone > >>Alarm installed. > >> > >>"swassociates" swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com wrote in message > >> > >>news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com... > >>- > >>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the > >>ZoneAlarm > >>website. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>"R. McCarty" wrote: > >> > >>- > >>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on > >>machines > >>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the > >>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert. > >>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it > >>will > >>rectify the situation. > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >> > >>- > > > > Thanks for the thumbs up on online Armor. > > after installing the new Microsoft update i was no longer able to go > > online. > > > > zonalarm has not been good lately and i have now downloaded online > > Armor. > > this seems to be a great Firewall > > > > Many thanks for the info. > > Clive. > > > > > > > > >
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 Please begin a new thread about /your/ problems, matt. Thanks. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Matt wrote: > I got the email from Zone Alarm as well and downloaded the new update. > Rebooted. Did not fix the problem. I also removed the KB951748 update. > Rebooted. Did not fix the problem. > > Weird thing is that I can use Firefox and Outlook Express just fine. The > problem is with IE and just about all other programs that need to access > the > internet. I can't even use the ZA update feature since it sees not > internet > connection. > > Why would only Firefox work but nothing else sees my internet connection? > > "MowGreen [MVP]" wrote: > >> You're mowst welcome, Clive. The issue that KB951748 addresses is *not* >> trivial. Sadly, the bad gUyZ will be exploiting it when they can either >> reverse engineer the update or, when specific details are released. >> Here's an interesting read by the person who has been investigating it: >> http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162 >> >> There's a DNS checker that one can use to see if having the update >> applied mitigates the issue. >> >> BTW, I doubt that the Mike Nash associated with Online Armor is the same >> Mike Nash that I'm familiar with. The latter is the VP of Windows >> Product Management. >> >> >> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] >> =============== >> *-343-* FDNY >> Never Forgotten >> =============== >> >> >> >> >> DEFENDER01 wrote: >> >>> 'MowGreen [MVP Wrote: >>> >>>> ;3150788']I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, >>>> and >>>> MediaCenter with no issue. >>>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ? >>>> >>>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with >>>> >>>> a firewall. The free version is he >>>> http://tinyurl.com/34d8b4 >>>> >>>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be >>>> associated with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating >>>> Windows. ZA has gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it. >>>> >>>> Just my 2¢ >>>> >>>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] >>>> =============== >>>> *-343-* FDNY >>>> Never Forgotten >>>> =============== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> R. McCarty wrote: >>>> - >>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of >>>> the >>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your >>>> PC >>>> is using Zone Alarm ). >>>> >>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone >>>> Alarm installed. >>>> >>>> "swassociates" swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com... >>>> - >>>> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the >>>> ZoneAlarm >>>> website. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "R. McCarty" wrote: >>>> >>>> - >>>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on >>>> machines >>>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the >>>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert. >>>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it >>>> will >>>> rectify the situation. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>> >>> Thanks for the thumbs up on online Armor. >>> after installing the new Microsoft update i was no longer able to go >>> online. >>> >>> zonalarm has not been good lately and i have now downloaded online >>> Armor. >>> this seems to be a great Firewall >>> >>> Many thanks for the info. >>> Clive.
Guest Kayman Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:35:37 -0500, Unknown wrote: > What poppycock! Talk facts not your emotions. Hear, hear!
Guest Phil Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 Good on ZA to quickly release a fix. Not going to place blame on anyone because of this. "R. McCarty" wrote: > The issue has been resolved. Checkpoint has released Zone Alarm > Version 7.0.483. Workarounds or other actions aren't necessary. > > "MB" <MB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:CC1C4981-9DCD-4ADB-8344-0122287981A5@microsoft.com... > > Zonealarm Free will not be supported at this time. Their paid products > > are. > > Go to their webiste and type in 'kb951748' and they tell you how to solve > > the > > issue: > > > > 1. Go into the Zonealarm panel. > > 2. Select 'Firewall'. > > 3. Move the 'Internet Zone Security' slider to the 'Medium' setting. > > > > This will solve your internet access issue. > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > > > >> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines > >> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the > >> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert. > >> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it > >> will > >> rectify the situation. > >> > >> > >> > > >
Guest Lee Antony Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 See Big_Al's reply in this thread. "John" <a> wrote in message news:OR6ziD74IHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > "Lee Antony" <leemailx-msnews1@yahoo.co.k> wrote in message > news:uvPy%23U64IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>> I've just installed 7.0.483.000, and the outstanding MIcrosoft updates. >>> Everything seems to be working ok so far. Thanks to ZoneAlarm for >>> their swift action. >> >> Swift action? >> Checkpoint had knowledge of this update four months ago. > > Do you have any proof (URL)? > >> They did nothing to help their users until disaster >> came upon them. Maybe an error in timing but still shame on them. > > How were they supposed to release a fix for something that wasn't "broken" > back then? >
Guest Big_Al Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0 Lee Antony wrote: > See Big_Al's reply in this thread. > > "John" <a> wrote in message news:OR6ziD74IHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> "Lee Antony" <leemailx-msnews1@yahoo.co.k> wrote in message >> news:uvPy%23U64IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> I've just installed 7.0.483.000, and the outstanding MIcrosoft updates. >>>> Everything seems to be working ok so far. Thanks to ZoneAlarm for >>>> their swift action. >>> >>> Swift action? >>> Checkpoint had knowledge of this update four months ago. >> >> Do you have any proof (URL)? >> >>> They did nothing to help their users until disaster >>> came upon them. Maybe an error in timing but still shame on them. >> >> How were they supposed to release a fix for something that wasn't >> "broken" back then? >> Actually Anthony, I never saw a list of vendors that were involved, just 'other major vendors'. So they (ZA) might have missed the memo.
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