Zone Alarm's workaround for loss of Internet connectivity after applying the DNS Update from KB951748

July 11, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Thank you. You guys are the best!!!!!! Really appreciate your help, it

is so great to know there are these groups that really care and will help

with any problems that come up.

Cindy in AR

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0500, "Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Since I took Zone alarm off because of the problem they were having and

>> it

>> is now fixed and back in working order, would you suggest I reinstall

>> Zone

>> Alarm.

>> I am running XP and I am using Microsoft Windows Security Center.

>> The

>> Firewall, automatic updates and virus protection are all ON. Would it

>> be a

>> good thing to be using both?

>

> Do not use two software firewalls. You incur needless extra overhead

> and you run the risk of conflicts between them.

>

> You can either leave the Windows firewall in place or reinstall ZA.

> They both do pretty much the same thing. Personally I would just keep

> the Windows firewall and forget about ZA; although I used to use ZA, I

> no longer do.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

July 11, 2008

Re: Zone Alarm's workaround for loss of Internet connectivity after applying the DNS Update from KB951748

Re: Zone Alarm's workaround for loss of Internet connectivity after applying the DNS Update from KB951748

>Thank you Thee Chicago, you answered the question I just posted. You are

>saying you only need 1 firewall and using Microsoft's is plenty to have.

>Strange though I have used Zone Alarm and Microsoft's firewall for years and

>there never seemed to be any kind of a conflict.

> I am not as computer savvy as some of you, maybe I just lucked out never

>having any problems with running both of the programs.

> Cindy in AR

Zone Labs has updated Zone Alarm to remedy the DNS patch issue so you

can just update it and go merrily on your way. Or, save some system

resources and ditch Zone Alarm.

- Thee Chicago Wolf

July 11, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:55:28 -0500, "Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net>

wrote:

> Thank you. You guys are the best!!!!!! Really appreciate your help, it

> is so great to know there are these groups that really care and will help

> with any problems that come up.

You're welcome. Glad to help.

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:vobf74ddriv67qhemh3904ceubvahhm76c@4ax.com...

> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0500, "Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net>

> > wrote:

> >

> >> Since I took Zone alarm off because of the problem they were having and

> >> it

> >> is now fixed and back in working order, would you suggest I reinstall

> >> Zone

> >> Alarm.

> >> I am running XP and I am using Microsoft Windows Security Center.

> >> The

> >> Firewall, automatic updates and virus protection are all ON. Would it

> >> be a

> >> good thing to be using both?

> >

> > Do not use two software firewalls. You incur needless extra overhead

> > and you run the risk of conflicts between them.

> >

> > You can either leave the Windows firewall in place or reinstall ZA.

> > They both do pretty much the same thing. Personally I would just keep

> > the Windows firewall and forget about ZA; although I used to use ZA, I

> > no longer do.

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

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July 11, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

the remaining issue is

if you know how to

configure windows

firewall.

if you had zasterous installed

and it was functioning or you

perceived it to be functioning

then it is likely windows firewall

was not.

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db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

"Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net> wrote in message

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> Thank you. You guys are the best!!!!!! Really appreciate your help, it is

> so great to know there are these groups that really care and will help with

> any problems that come up.

> Cindy in AR

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:vobf74ddriv67qhemh3904ceubvahhm76c@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0500, "Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> Since I took Zone alarm off because of the problem they were having and it

>>> is now fixed and back in working order, would you suggest I reinstall Zone

>>> Alarm.

>>> I am running XP and I am using Microsoft Windows Security Center. The

>>> Firewall, automatic updates and virus protection are all ON. Would it be a

>>> good thing to be using both?

>>

>> Do not use two software firewalls. You incur needless extra overhead

>> and you run the risk of conflicts between them.

>>

>> You can either leave the Windows firewall in place or reinstall ZA.

>> They both do pretty much the same thing. Personally I would just keep

>> the Windows firewall and forget about ZA; although I used to use ZA, I

>> no longer do.

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

July 11, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

news:vobf74ddriv67qhemh3904ceubvahhm76c@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0500, "Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Since I took Zone alarm off because of the problem they were having and

>> it

>> is now fixed and back in working order, would you suggest I reinstall

>> Zone

>> Alarm.

>> I am running XP and I am using Microsoft Windows Security Center.

>> The

>> Firewall, automatic updates and virus protection are all ON. Would it

>> be a

>> good thing to be using both?

>

> Do not use two software firewalls. You incur needless extra overhead

> and you run the risk of conflicts between them.

>

> You can either leave the Windows firewall in place or reinstall ZA.

> They both do pretty much the same thing. Personally I would just keep

> the Windows firewall and forget about ZA; although I used to use ZA, I

> no longer do.

Why do you no longer use ZA Ken? Do you think it is unnecessary or do you

prefer a different firewall?

Thanks.

July 11, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:04 -0400, "Jeff@unknown.com"

<JeffMalka@orthohelp.com> wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:vobf74ddriv67qhemh3904ceubvahhm76c@4ax.com...

> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0500, "Cindy" <cinb@suddenlink.net>

> > wrote:

> >

> >> Since I took Zone alarm off because of the problem they were having and

> >> it

> >> is now fixed and back in working order, would you suggest I reinstall

> >> Zone

> >> Alarm.

> >> I am running XP and I am using Microsoft Windows Security Center.

> >> The

> >> Firewall, automatic updates and virus protection are all ON. Would it

> >> be a

> >> good thing to be using both?

> >

> > Do not use two software firewalls. You incur needless extra overhead

> > and you run the risk of conflicts between them.

> >

> > You can either leave the Windows firewall in place or reinstall ZA.

> > They both do pretty much the same thing. Personally I would just keep

> > the Windows firewall and forget about ZA; although I used to use ZA, I

> > no longer do.

>

> Why do you no longer use ZA Ken? Do you think it is unnecessary or do you

> prefer a different firewall?

Although I used to recommend ZA because of its outward protection,

I've more recently become convinced that outward protection is an

illusion. Once one of the nasties gets into your computer, it can

essentially do whatever it wants, including circumventing the

firewall. So the extra protection that a firewall that monitors

outbound traffic provides is more apparent than real.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

July 12, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:55:28 -0500, Cindy wrote:

> Thank you. You guys are the best!!!!!! Really appreciate your help, it

> is so great to know there are these groups that really care and will help

> with any problems that come up.

> Cindy in AR

>

Yes, I echo, the Win XP built-in Firewall is the *best* option; Uncheck

*all* Programs and Services under the Exception tab.

Read through:

Understanding Windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/internet/sp2_wfintro.mspx

Using Windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/security/winfirewall.mspx

Consider using Windows Firewall in conjunction with:

Seconfig XP 1.0

http://seconfig.sytes.net/

Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport

protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139

and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)

Good luck :)

July 12, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

> Although I used to recommend ZA because of its outward protection,

> I've more recently become convinced that outward protection is an

> illusion. Once one of the nasties gets into your computer, it can

> essentially do whatever it wants, including circumventing the

> firewall. So the extra protection that a firewall that monitors

> outbound traffic provides is more apparent than real.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Thank you for replying.

How do the consumption of RAM and system resources compare between ZA

(basic, free) and Windows own firewall? Does ZA consume much more memory

and resources than using Windows' one-way firewall?

Is that what you do on your PC?

Jeff

July 12, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Unknown wrote:

> There is no logical reason to reinstall Zone Alarm.

To an average Joe, it shouldn't matter much. To me though, it does

matter if various programs and applications start calling home for no

apparent reason. Case in point, whenever I start MS Office or some other

Windows applications, they all try to contact Microsoft. Since it is not

clear to me what they are trying to contact MS for, I don't like it.

Zone Alarm reports this immediately and I can make a decision to deny

that access. That is one of the main advantages I have in Zone Alarm

(using the free version, the version that one has to buy has other bells

and whistles too).

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July 12, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:38:41 -0400, "Jeff@unknown.com"

<JeffMalka@orthohelp.com> wrote:

> > Although I used to recommend ZA because of its outward protection,

> > I've more recently become convinced that outward protection is an

> > illusion. Once one of the nasties gets into your computer, it can

> > essentially do whatever it wants, including circumventing the

> > firewall. So the extra protection that a firewall that monitors

> > outbound traffic provides is more apparent than real.

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

> Thank you for replying.

>

> How do the consumption of RAM and system resources compare between ZA

> (basic, free) and Windows own firewall? Does ZA consume much more memory

> and resources than using Windows' one-way firewall?

Sorry, I have no statistics to quote.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

July 12, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Jeff@unknown.com wrote:

>

> How do the consumption of RAM and system resources compare between ZA

> (basic, free) and Windows own firewall? Does ZA consume much more memory

> and resources than using Windows' one-way firewall?

I am going to chime in here. I have ZA (basic, free version) installed

here and on a few other machine. As far as I can tell, it does consume

RAM resources that I can notice. The only little thing is that when one

logs into his/her computer, networking does not work till ZA is fully up

and running, and this takes a few seconds.

Also, right now, vsmon and ZA Client processes are using up 24M and 7M

respectively, in case this helps.

->HS

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July 13, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

H. S. wrote:

> Jeff@unknown.com wrote:

>

>>

>> How do the consumption of RAM and system resources compare between ZA

>> (basic, free) and Windows own firewall? Does ZA consume much more

>> memory and resources than using Windows' one-way firewall?

>

> I am going to chime in here. I have ZA (basic, free version) installed

> here and on a few other machine. As far as I can tell, it does consume

> RAM resources that I can notice. The only little thing is that when

> one logs into his/her computer, networking does not work till ZA is

> fully up and running, and this takes a few seconds.

>

> Also, right now, vsmon and ZA Client processes are using up 24M and 7M

> respectively, in case this helps.

>

> ->HS

Thank you.

July 13, 2008

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

Re: reinstalling Zone alarm

What do you mean trying to contact MS? Can you explain? I don't see that

problem.

"H. S." <g_reate_xcalibur@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Unknown wrote:

>> There is no logical reason to reinstall Zone Alarm.

>

> To an average Joe, it shouldn't matter much. To me though, it does matter

> if various programs and applications start calling home for no apparent

> reason. Case in point, whenever I start MS Office or some other Windows

> applications, they all try to contact Microsoft. Since it is not clear to

> me what they are trying to contact MS for, I don't like it. Zone Alarm

> reports this immediately and I can make a decision to deny that access.

> That is one of the main advantages I have in Zone Alarm (using the free

> version, the version that one has to buy has other bells and whistles

> too).

>

> --

> ---

> Please remove underscores, if any, from my email address to obtain the

> correct one. Sorry for the trouble but this is to reduce SPAM.

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