Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

[Guest Arclight]

As mentioned before:

 

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

Works great!

[Guest Kayman]

Re: Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

 

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:37:34 -0500, Arclight wrote:

> As mentioned before:

>

> http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

>

> Works great!

 

The combo below works *impressively* better!

 

http://zonealarm.donhoover.net/uninstall.html

 

The Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is

really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another

firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and

practise safe-hex.

The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

 

At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.

http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx

 

Or

 

You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in

itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

 

Jesper's Blogs-

At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.

http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx

Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista?

http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/archive/2006/05/01/426921.aspx

[Guest Gerald Ross]

Re: Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

 

Kayman wrote:

>

> The Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is

> really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another

> firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and

> practise safe-hex.

> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

>

snip

 

I kinda like to know what program is calling home. If I can't control

that then might as well dump everything on the web and be done with it.

--

Gerald Ross

Cochran, GA

 

A child of five could understand this!

Fetch me a child of five.

[Guest Kayman]

Re: Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

 

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:55:06 -0400, Gerald Ross wrote:

> Kayman wrote:

>

>>

>> The Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is

>> really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another

>> firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and

>> practise safe-hex.

>> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

>> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

>> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

>>

> snip

>

> I kinda like to know what program is calling home. If I can't control

> that then might as well dump everything on the web and be done with it.

 

Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

Scroll down to:

"Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

 

Exploring the windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx

"Outbound protection is security theater¡Xit¡¦s a gimmick that only gives the

impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually

does improve your security."

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

 

Kayman wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:55:06 -0400, Gerald Ross wrote:

>

>

>>Kayman wrote:

>>

>>

>>>The Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is

>>>really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another

>>>firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and

>>>practise safe-hex.

>>>The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

>>>give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

>>>of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

>>>

>>

>>snip

>>

>>I kinda like to know what program is calling home. If I can't control

>>that then might as well dump everything on the web and be done with it.

>

>

> Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

> Scroll down to:

> "Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

>

 

I really don't know why you keep spewing this nonsense out, no one is

saying that you should rely on outbound traffic filtering for securing

your computer. What many users are saying is that they like to know or

be made aware of what may be wanting to access the internet without

their knowledge and you of course keep on telling them that they are

dumb for wanting to have that knowledge. We all know that the Windows

firewall is sufficient and good at it's job but quite frankly you are

starting to sound like a cracked record and you should stop berating

users for wanting to find out what is going on with their computers! I

already know what you are going to reply; you know all that there is to

know about "your" applications on "your" computer so others should be as

smart as you and should also not need to filter outbound traffic. So

don't bother with a long tirade, I have already been trough this with

you before:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/940e9273aab8944e/53da8bd8f830859c

 

John

[Guest Kayman]

Re: Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

 

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:14 -0300, John John (MVP) wrote:

> Kayman wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:55:06 -0400, Gerald Ross wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Kayman wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>The Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is

>>>>really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another

>>>>firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and

>>>>practise safe-hex.

>>>>The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

>>>>give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

>>>>of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

>>>>

>>>

>>>snip

>>>

>>>I kinda like to know what program is calling home. If I can't control

>>>that then might as well dump everything on the web and be done with it.

>>

>>

>> Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

>> Scroll down to:

>> "Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

>>

>

> I really don't know why you keep spewing this nonsense out,

 

I am not the author John John, Jesper Johansson and Steve Riley are.

> no one is

> saying that you should rely on outbound traffic filtering for securing

> your computer. What many users are saying is that they like to know or

> be made aware of what may be wanting to access the internet without

> their knowledge and you of course keep on telling them that they are

> dumb for wanting to have that knowledge.

 

How would you know what users are saying? And what did *I* tell Gerald

Ross?

Your crystal ball is cracked, to say the least!

> We all know that the Windows firewall is sufficient and good at it's job

 

You *all* know?? Oh boy, a strong statement. I refrain from commenting.

> but quite frankly you are starting to sound like a cracked record

 

Frequent contributors have 'canned' responses, nothing new here. It is very

common and deemed unobjectionable as long as they are pertinent in relation

to the subject matter and/or message. You just have to glance thru the

replies sent by you fellows MVP's.

You do realize that you don't own usenet services, now do you?

(You're some frustrated individual, embarrassing really)

> and you should stop berating users for wanting to find out what is

> going on with their computers!

 

Don't tell me what to do! (Wannabe netcop lol). You are way out of line.

Posting and referring to articles/publications of accomplished and

recognized authors is educational and far from what *you* call berating.

(You can't be very intelligent).

> I already know what you are going to reply;

 

Really? Well, if your crystal ball isn't cracked then you probably got it

from e-bay.

BTW, what are you smoking?

> you know all that there is to

> know about "your" applications on "your" computer so others should be as

> smart as you and should also not need to filter outbound traffic. So

> don't bother with a long tirade, I have already been trough this with

> you before:

 

Then why did you bother? What's your point?

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/940e9273aab8944e/53da8bd8f830859c

 

The above link makes excellent and educational reading.

 

I just was looking into my crystal ball; Sorry to inform you that you're

not on the short list for receiving a Lamborghini Laptop :(

 

Have a wonderful day, John John (MVP) :-)

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Zone Alarm -Windows Update Fix - Download Site

 

Kayman wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:14 -0300, John John (MVP) wrote:

>

>

>>Kayman wrote:

>>

>>

>>>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:55:06 -0400, Gerald Ross wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Kayman wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>The Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is

>>>>>really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another

>>>>>firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and

>>>>>practise safe-hex.

>>>>>The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

>>>>>give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

>>>>>of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>snip

>>>>

>>>>I kinda like to know what program is calling home. If I can't control

>>>>that then might as well dump everything on the web and be done with it.

>>>

>>>

>>>Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

>>>Scroll down to:

>>>"Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

>>>

>>

>>I really don't know why you keep spewing this nonsense out,

>

>

> I am not the author John John, Jesper Johansson and Steve Riley are.

>

>

>>no one is

>>saying that you should rely on outbound traffic filtering for securing

>>your computer. What many users are saying is that they like to know or

>>be made aware of what may be wanting to access the internet without

>>their knowledge and you of course keep on telling them that they are

>>dumb for wanting to have that knowledge.

>

>

> How would you know what users are saying? And what did *I* tell Gerald

> Ross?

> Your crystal ball is cracked, to say the least!

>

>

>>We all know that the Windows firewall is sufficient and good at it's job

>

>

> You *all* know?? Oh boy, a strong statement. I refrain from commenting.

>

>

>>but quite frankly you are starting to sound like a cracked record

>

>

> Frequent contributors have 'canned' responses, nothing new here. It is very

> common and deemed unobjectionable as long as they are pertinent in relation

> to the subject matter and/or message. You just have to glance thru the

> replies sent by you fellows MVP's.

> You do realize that you don't own usenet services, now do you?

> (You're some frustrated individual, embarrassing really)

>

>

>>and you should stop berating users for wanting to find out what is

>>going on with their computers!

>

>

> Don't tell me what to do! (Wannabe netcop lol). You are way out of line.

> Posting and referring to articles/publications of accomplished and

> recognized authors is educational and far from what *you* call berating.

> (You can't be very intelligent).

>

>

>>I already know what you are going to reply;

>

>

> Really? Well, if your crystal ball isn't cracked then you probably got it

> from e-bay.

> BTW, what are you smoking?

>

>

>>you know all that there is to

>>know about "your" applications on "your" computer so others should be as

>>smart as you and should also not need to filter outbound traffic. So

>>don't bother with a long tirade, I have already been trough this with

>>you before:

>

>

> Then why did you bother? What's your point?

>

>

>>http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/940e9273aab8944e/53da8bd8f830859c

>

>

> The above link makes excellent and educational reading.

>

> I just was looking into my crystal ball; Sorry to inform you that you're

> not on the short list for receiving a Lamborghini Laptop :(

>

> Have a wonderful day, John John (MVP) :-)

 

Same to you, crackpot!

 

John