Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Hi, just as a metter of interest: What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for home users? aga
Guest Bob I Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! I prefer new, rather than old. And as far as recommendations for all in one. Well, they can cause a large amount of grief getting them to work. HP and LEXmark seem to be the worst. Perhaps a review site would be more in line with what you are looking for. aga151 wrote: > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > home users? > > aga
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! >Hi, just as a metter of interest: >What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for >home users? The problem with all-in-one printers is that if one component breaks, you lose functionality. Are you married to the idea of all-in-one? What functionality do you need from a printer? Do you prefer ink-jet based or are you open to laser? - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest HeyBub Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! aga151 wrote: > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one > for home users? > The inkjet printers follow the Gillette business model: Give away the razor and sell the blades. Or the newer cell-phone model: give away the phone and sell the minutes. If you get an inkjet, be sure you can re-fill the cartridges, else get a laser printer.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > home users? Several points: 1. I recommend against all-in-one units. The problem is that if one component fails, the entire unit has to be replaced. As far as I'm concerned, the only justification for using an all-in-one is lack of desk space. 2. The main question you have to answer for yourself is whether you need color, or whether black and white will suffice. A black-and-white laser printer is the most economical way to go (not so much in terms of purchase price, but in terms of expendables--the per page printed price). 3. If you do get a color inkjet, be sure to choose one with cartridges you can fill yourself, or with a supply of quality cartridges available from third parties. If you have to buy the manufacturer's cartridges, it will be very expensive. 4. In color inkjets, I recommend the Canon Pixma line of inexpensive printers. In black-and-white lasers, there are several good choices. I use an old Konica-Minolta PagePro 1350W that I'm happy with. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! Hi Bob, Thanks for your comments,interesting I bought a New Lexmark 4580 all-in-one,it's been a b*^%&y nightmare and that's really not the word I would use? And the worst bit isssssssssssssss. I've still got it aga "Bob I" wrote: > I prefer new, rather than old. And as far as recommendations for all in > one. Well, they can cause a large amount of grief getting them to work. > HP and LEXmark seem to be the worst. Perhaps a review site would be more > in line with what you are looking for. > > aga151 wrote: > > > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > > home users? > > > > aga > >
Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! Hi cw, as you can see what BOB wrote and my answer well, it's really NOT for printing (excuse the 'pun') the main reason was to get a scanner and copier too,I have spoken to a mate of mine who has an Epsom all in one and so far no problems,but the Lexmark, wow what a B%&*&$y nightmare and it's only 3 months old Thanks fopr you input. regards aga "Thee Chicago Wolf" wrote: > >Hi, just as a metter of interest: > >What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > >home users? > > The problem with all-in-one printers is that if one component breaks, > you lose functionality. Are you married to the idea of all-in-one? > What functionality do you need from a printer? Do you prefer ink-jet > based or are you open to laser? > > - Thee Chicago Wolf >
Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! Hi HB, Don't know much about laser printers at all but I'm always open to suggestions, as long as it's not you know who!!! thanks regards aga "HeyBub" wrote: > aga151 wrote: > > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one > > for home users? > > > > The inkjet printers follow the Gillette business model: Give away the razor > and sell the blades. Or the newer cell-phone model: give away the phone and > sell the minutes. > > If you get an inkjet, be sure you can re-fill the cartridges, else get a > laser printer. > > >
Guest Unknown Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! Do you ever read Consumer Reports? "aga151" <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D0EB3368-DECF-4A03-AC92-0EE41896D8CA@microsoft.com... > Hi Bob, > Thanks for your comments,interesting I bought a New Lexmark 4580 > all-in-one,it's been a b*^%&y nightmare and that's really not the word I > would use? > And the worst bit isssssssssssssss. I've still got it > > aga > > "Bob I" wrote: > >> I prefer new, rather than old. And as far as recommendations for all in >> one. Well, they can cause a large amount of grief getting them to work. >> HP and LEXmark seem to be the worst. Perhaps a review site would be more >> in line with what you are looking for. >> >> aga151 wrote: >> >> > Hi, just as a metter of interest: >> > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one >> > for >> > home users? >> > >> > aga >> >>
Guest beamish Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 RE: printer!!! "aga151" wrote: > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > home users? > > aga Hello, Suggest finding a all-in-one that can be used as a stand alone when needed. This means that the all-in-one does not need to be attached to a computer to function. Check on the cost of the ink. Ink cartridges can be purchased from non OEM dealers for half the price. Most of the major OEM printer producers are installing different types of programming to cause using non-oem ink difficult. My opinion. I used a Epson Stylus Photo RX500, until it cause photo printing problems. Then installed a Canon Pixma printer, and a stand alone scanner. Still use the Epson without a computer. Scans,copies, reads SD cards and prints photo's without glitches. Epson and on-line help never found the problem area. I liked having the convenience of a all-in-one close to my main computer unit. take care. beamish.
Guest Tim Slattery Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote: >The inkjet printers follow the Gillette business model: Give away the razor >and sell the blades. They sure do! Last year I bought a new laptop at Micro Center. They threw in a "free" Epson all-in-one: pay up front, mail-in rebate refunds the entire purchase price. I will say that Epson was *very* good on the rebate (as opposed to the $50 rebate from Toshiba on the computer, that took forever)! And the print quality is very good. So we got it hooked up, which was very easy. It turns out that a set of replacement cartridges cast as much as the printer did (before rebate)! I haven't really used the thing. My wife has, and she says you have to keep cleaning the heads, which apparently consumes ink. Can somebody who knows more about these beasts confirm or refute this? >If you get an inkjet, be sure you can re-fill the cartridges, else get a >laser printer. I have no idea whether the carts on the Epson are refillable. Nor whether refilled carts would yield photos as good as the originals. -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(Shell/User) Slattery_T@bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! Hi Tim, Thanks for your thoughts,it's a problem knowing what's best,thought the all in one takes up less room than components all scattered round the room,think your missus might be right spoke to a nmate of mine and he said the same thing always needing the heads cleaned. My last printer was a Stylus c62 it really was a good old printer and it had no problems with cheap cartridges. Back to the drawing board I guess thanks regards aga "Tim Slattery" wrote: > "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >The inkjet printers follow the Gillette business model: Give away the razor > >and sell the blades. > > They sure do! Last year I bought a new laptop at Micro Center. They > threw in a "free" Epson all-in-one: pay up front, mail-in rebate > refunds the entire purchase price. I will say that Epson was *very* > good on the rebate (as opposed to the $50 rebate from Toshiba on the > computer, that took forever)! And the print quality is very good. > > So we got it hooked up, which was very easy. It turns out that a set > of replacement cartridges cast as much as the printer did (before > rebate)! > > I haven't really used the thing. My wife has, and she says you have to > keep cleaning the heads, which apparently consumes ink. Can somebody > who knows more about these beasts confirm or refute this? > > >If you get an inkjet, be sure you can re-fill the cartridges, else get a > >laser printer. > > I have no idea whether the carts on the Epson are refillable. Nor > whether refilled carts would yield photos as good as the originals. > > -- > Tim Slattery > MS MVP(Shell/User) > Slattery_T@bls.gov > http://members.cox.net/slatteryt >
Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! Hi Ken, Thanks for your thoughts,it's abit of a headache getting it right,certainly the Lexmark,is a nightmare,it' really mucks up the spooler system but apparently it's a problem with Lexmark,as one said: they really haven't got the brains to get their printers to work without 'screwing up' the spooler. Will just keep looking and see what turns up Thanks Regards aga "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 > <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > > home users? > > > Several points: > > 1. I recommend against all-in-one units. The problem is that if one > component fails, the entire unit has to be replaced. As far as I'm > concerned, the only justification for using an all-in-one is lack of > desk space. > > 2. The main question you have to answer for yourself is whether you > need color, or whether black and white will suffice. A black-and-white > laser printer is the most economical way to go (not so much in terms > of purchase price, but in terms of expendables--the per page printed > price). > > 3. If you do get a color inkjet, be sure to choose one with cartridges > you can fill yourself, or with a supply of quality cartridges > available from third parties. If you have to buy the manufacturer's > cartridges, it will be very expensive. > > 4. In color inkjets, I recommend the Canon Pixma line of inexpensive > printers. In black-and-white lasers, there are several good choices. I > use an old Konica-Minolta PagePro 1350W that I'm happy with. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup >
Guest aga151 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 RE: printer!!! Hi Beamish, Yes I got to agree with you,it's certainly not a clutter around,I'm sure there's got to be a good 'un around will just keep looking,thanks for your thoughts,to all you guys, Much Appreciated regards aga "beamish" wrote: > > > "aga151" wrote: > > > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > > home users? > > > > aga > Hello, > Suggest finding a all-in-one that can be used as a stand alone when needed. > This means that the all-in-one does not need to be attached to a computer to > function. > Check on the cost of the ink. > Ink cartridges can be purchased from non OEM dealers for half the price. > Most of the major OEM printer producers are installing different types of > programming to cause using non-oem ink difficult. My opinion. > > I used a Epson Stylus Photo RX500, until it cause photo printing problems. > Then installed a Canon Pixma printer, and a stand alone scanner. > > Still use the Epson without a computer. Scans,copies, reads SD cards and > prints photo's without glitches. Epson and on-line help never found the > problem area. > > I liked having the convenience of a all-in-one close to my main computer unit. > > take care. > beamish. > > > > > >
Guest Bill Sharpe Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! aga151 wrote: > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > home users? > > aga I'm sure there's disagreement here, but my HP psc1315 all-in-one inkjet (less fax, which I don't need) has been working just fine for four years. I ignore the popup I get saying the printer is low on ink and keep printing until the printouts start getting too light. There are two cartridges -- one for black ink, one for color. It's also great for copies and scanning. There's a PictBridge connector on the front for printing pictures, but I haven't ever used it. This unit replaced an Epson inkjet and a separate scanner. Bill
Guest apistomaster Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! I bought a Brother AIO with built in wireless, Model MFC-665-CW a year ago for $300, and it has worked great. It even has a hand set, answering machine function, key dialing, and all the pictbridge, scan, copy, photos and reg print functions The same one is still available for half the price I paid. Just buy a set of 4 color ink cartridges since like everyone else, those included with the machine are just "starters." Even so, I got nearly one year of printing from the original ink cartridges. The software plays nice with Windows XP and the wireless set up is painless.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: printer!!! On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:43:01 -0700, aga151 <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Hi Ken, > Thanks for your thoughts,it's abit of a headache getting it > right,certainly the Lexmark,is a nightmare,it' really mucks up the spooler > system but apparently it's a problem with Lexmark,as one said: they really > haven't got the brains to get their printers to work without 'screwing up' > the spooler. > > Will just keep looking and see what turns up > > Thanks You're welcome. Glad to help. > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 > > <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, just as a metter of interest: > > > What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > > > home users? > > > > > > Several points: > > > > 1. I recommend against all-in-one units. The problem is that if one > > component fails, the entire unit has to be replaced. As far as I'm > > concerned, the only justification for using an all-in-one is lack of > > desk space. > > > > 2. The main question you have to answer for yourself is whether you > > need color, or whether black and white will suffice. A black-and-white > > laser printer is the most economical way to go (not so much in terms > > of purchase price, but in terms of expendables--the per page printed > > price). > > > > 3. If you do get a color inkjet, be sure to choose one with cartridges > > you can fill yourself, or with a supply of quality cartridges > > available from third parties. If you have to buy the manufacturer's > > cartridges, it will be very expensive. > > > > 4. In color inkjets, I recommend the Canon Pixma line of inexpensive > > printers. In black-and-white lasers, there are several good choices. I > > use an old Konica-Minolta PagePro 1350W that I'm happy with. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > > -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Edric Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: printer!!! On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Hi, just as a metter of interest: >What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for >home users? > >aga Why are you asking this HERE? What printer you want has NOTHING to do with XP OS. Do your own research and buy what YOU want. Ask elsewhere
Guest HeyBub Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: printer!!! Tim Slattery wrote: > "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> The inkjet printers follow the Gillette business model: Give away >> the razor and sell the blades. > > They sure do! Last year I bought a new laptop at Micro Center. They > threw in a "free" Epson all-in-one: pay up front, mail-in rebate > refunds the entire purchase price. I will say that Epson was *very* > good on the rebate (as opposed to the $50 rebate from Toshiba on the > computer, that took forever)! And the print quality is very good. > > So we got it hooked up, which was very easy. It turns out that a set > of replacement cartridges cast as much as the printer did (before > rebate)! > > I haven't really used the thing. My wife has, and she says you have to > keep cleaning the heads, which apparently consumes ink. Can somebody > who knows more about these beasts confirm or refute this? > >> If you get an inkjet, be sure you can re-fill the cartridges, else >> get a laser printer. > > I have no idea whether the carts on the Epson are refillable. Nor > whether refilled carts would yield photos as good as the originals. Most assuredly they are. But here's a trick: Some printer manufacturers (Epson, who shall remain nameless, and others), put a CHIP on each cartridge. The alleged purpose of this chip is to inform the computer that you're out of ink so don't bother trying to send any printing! You can re-fill the cartridge 'till the cows come home, but the chip will still prevent the drivers from sending data to the printer. But, be of good cheer. The same people who sell bulk ink also sell CHIP-RESETTERS (about $3.00) which brain-fry the friggin' chip into thinking it's brand new! Check Ebay for bulk ink, chips, and refill kits. We use an ink-jet to print CDs and we print several hundred a month. We've actually removed the cartridges and replaced them with an INK RESERVOIR system - each of the six color buckets holds about a fluid ounce of ink and connects to the nozzle gizmos with small tubing. The ink buckets are refilled from six ounce bulk bottles we get from Sam's Club online store. This setup - with an initial supply of ink - cost about $60 (much less than the manufacturer's price for a single set of cartridges).
Guest Lil' Dave Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: printer!!! The answer depends on how many copies per minute, how quickly to scan, dpi for color and b/w, what you want to copy in terms of paper size (legal for instance), and if you want the copy strictly on the PC or on paper, or both. So far, you indicated a need for a scanner/copier. Not a printer. -- Dave Speculation on a product or material that is an obvious need, is not speculation per se as there is no risk to the speculator. Common were those selling food and other supplies in the gold rush days. In this case, its oil and its everyone who bites the bullet. And most everyone has no gold to be made, just business as usual. "aga151" <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6ECAE66B-DBB3-4C61-9320-7560D2379B18@microsoft.com... > Hi cw, > as you can see what BOB wrote and my answer well, it's really NOT > for > printing (excuse the 'pun') the main reason was to get a scanner and > copier > too,I have spoken to a mate of mine who has an Epsom all in one and so far > no > problems,but the Lexmark, wow what a B%&*&$y nightmare and it's only 3 > months old > > Thanks fopr you input. > > regards > aga > > "Thee Chicago Wolf" wrote: > >> >Hi, just as a metter of interest: >> >What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for >> >home users? >> >> The problem with all-in-one printers is that if one component breaks, >> you lose functionality. Are you married to the idea of all-in-one? >> What functionality do you need from a printer? Do you prefer ink-jet >> based or are you open to laser? >> >> - Thee Chicago Wolf >>
Guest Bill Sharpe Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: printer!!! Edric wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 > <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> Hi, just as a metter of interest: >> What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for >> home users? >> >> aga > Why are you asking this HERE? What printer you want has NOTHING to do > with XP OS. Do your own research and buy what YOU want. > > Ask elsewhere > Get on the stick, Edric. You've got to jump in a lot faster than 12 hours after the initial post. There have been 15 replies already... Bill
Guest aga151 Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: printer!!! Good evening to you Edric, You got 'shares' in Lexmark????? aga "Edric" wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 > <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Hi, just as a metter of interest: > >What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > >home users? > > > >aga > Why are you asking this HERE? What printer you want has NOTHING to do > with XP OS. Do your own research and buy what YOU want. > > Ask elsewhere > >
Guest aga151 Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: printer!!! Hi Bill, Seems there is always one,just thought I'd ask people like you guys for your thoughts. Thanks aga "Bill Sharpe" wrote: > Edric wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:04 -0700, aga151 > > <aga151@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi, just as a metter of interest: > >> What would you guys recommend as a good old round printer/all-in-one for > >> home users? > >> > >> aga > > Why are you asking this HERE? What printer you want has NOTHING to do > > with XP OS. Do your own research and buy what YOU want. > > > > Ask elsewhere > > > Get on the stick, Edric. You've got to jump in a lot faster than 12 > hours after the initial post. There have been 15 replies already... > > Bill > >
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