Cannot copy files in use?

>>> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/larry/generalities/gparted.htm

"Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

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>>

>> <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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>> On Jul 11, 6:07 am, "Bazzer Smith" <m...@invalid.net> wrote:

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in

>>> messagenews:ug3EMCx4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> > Then you're an idiot for upgrading to Windows XP. Windows XP isn't

>>> > remotely similar to Win98. Nobody told you?

>>>

>>> It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>> Anyhow here are some programs you can buy to clone a windows98

>>> drive.http://www.qweas.com/download/system/disk_tools/spotmau_disk_clone_ba...

>>>

>>> Of course if you don't like dlushing money down the bog you can do it

>>> for

>>> nowt!!

>>>

>>> Anyhow it is just data on a drive. If XP is not running I don't see how

>>> it

>>> can

>>> stop me copying it.

>>>

>>> Anyway I might have a solution here!!

>>>

>>>

>>> Ubuntu isn't remotely similar to windows. Nobody told you? :O)

>>>

>>

>> imaging and copying files are a bit different.

>>

>> there are free ways to image a drive. Free imaging programs.

>>

>> xxclone might be free

>>

>> apparently xxcopy has a /clone switch. Which I guess would do an

>> image rather than a file backup.

>>

>> apparently hard drive manufacturers often give free programs to image

>> a drive, see their site.

>>

>> the payware favourite would be acronis, and with second favourite -

>> norton ghost

>

> Well I will have a look at those.

> I don't think I need to close really just to copy every file on the drive.

>>

>

July 11, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

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>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely

>> similar to Win98.

>

>> Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>

>> It is remarkable simiilar!!

>

> They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems are

> anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are only

> kidding yourself.

They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe.

They are very similar.

>

> John

July 11, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

ROFL!

So, you get all the files copied to another location. Please explain how you

use that collection of files to restore a fully functioning system to

another partition.

Or are you just a fellow idiot who thinks the other idiot shouldn't be

picked on? Idiot got a real and perfectly true answer and refused to accept

it. Thinks Windows 98 and XP are essentially the same. "Idiot", "stupid" and

any similar words applied to the fool aren't just insults, they're FACTS!

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

<jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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On Jul 11, 2:37 am, "Bazzer Smith" <m...@invalid.net> wrote:

> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

> said some files were being used.

> How can I get round this?

> Boot up in safe mode?

Almost every person that has tried responding to you, has no answer,

and those insulting you (Like this (MVP?) gary turhune. ) or even

those telling you to buy software(as if you're not aware of imaging or

backing up software), really don't even merit your response.

July 11, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

No, but strangely enough, I AM an A** hole, <s>.

But that's totally OT. The issue is whether or not you can simply copy all

of the files from a Windows XP installation to some location and then simply

copy them to an empty partition and make it work. And every word out of your

mouth proves my contention: That you're an idiot.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

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> You are ful of crap.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:OtBVBf34IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> You're not just a stupid, idiotic fool, you're a raving lunatic!

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://www.qweas.com/download/system/disk_tools/spotmau_disk_clone_backup_guide.htm

>>

>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>> news:qaCdk.5260$xs1.3933@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>

>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>> news:IUBdk.114523$jB5.10400@newsfe05.ams2...

>>>>

>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>> news:ug3EMCx4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Then you're an idiot for upgrading to Windows XP. Windows XP isn't

>>>>> remotely similar to Win98. Nobody told you?

>>>>

>>>> It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>>> Anyhow here are some programs you can buy to clone a windows98 drive.

>>>>

>>>> Of course if you don't like dlushing money down the bog you can do it

>>>> for nowt!!

>>>>

>>>> Anyhow it is just data on a drive. If XP is not running I don't see how

>>>> it can

>>>> stop me copying it.

>>>>

>>>> Anyway I might have a solution here!!

>>>>

>>>> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/larry/generalities/gparted.htm

>>>>

>>>> Ubuntu isn't remotely similar to windows. Nobody told you? :O)

>>>

>>> Ha ha I tried to boot into Ubuntu but I have not told it I have

>>> a new graphics card yet!!

>>>

>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>>

>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:aLAdk.5236$xs1.1169@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "LVTravel" <noone@nothere.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:uC%238%23Hw4IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Even booting in safe mode won't help if you are trying to back up

>>>>>>> system files as they will always be in use. You should not back up

>>>>>>> program files or the OS using the drag and drop method or even using

>>>>>>> a copy program like XCopy as the OS and programs are generally

>>>>>>> useless (in other words, they won't reinstall properly) when backed

>>>>>>> up that way. If you are trying to back up the system and the

>>>>>>> programs you should image the drive using a program like Acronis

>>>>>>> True Image or the like.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> To do a drag and drop backup of data files, you need to make sure

>>>>>>> that there is no program using any of the files.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well the operating system will be using some of the files.

>>>>>> I know I could do this in wiindows98 because I used that

>>>>>> method to clone my main drive to my backup drive.

>>>>>> No expensive software required.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fPydk.236661$NN3.80502@newsfe08.ams2...

>>>>>>>>I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

I've been asking this question a lot lately but no one answers me, maybe

you will, Gary.

How is it possible to be so dumb?

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> Will NOT accomplish a backup that can be restored to a new HD.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.amitchaudhary.com/

>

> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message

> news:OsOGFW14IHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> CopySharp 336 KB (GUI)

>> "CopySharp is a GUI tool for copying open/inprocess/locked files."

>>

>> Info:

>>

>> Download:

>> http://www.amitchaudhary.com/CopySharp.zip

>>

>> --------------------------

>>

>> HoboCopy 474 KB (CL)

>> "You pass it a source directory and a destination directory, and it

>> makes a recursive copy using VSS."

>>

>> Info:

>> http://www.pluralsight.com/community/blogs/craig/archive/2006/09/20/38362.aspx

>>

>> Download:

>> http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wangdera/HoboCopy-1.0.0.0-XP-32bit-Release.zip

>>

>> ju.c

>>

>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>> news:fPydk.236661$NN3.80502@newsfe08.ams2...

>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>> said some files were being used.

>>> How can I get round this?

>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>>>

>

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

Bazzer Smith wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely

>>>similar to Win98.

>>

>>>Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>>

>>>It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>

>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems are

>>anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are only

>>kidding yourself.

>

> They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe.

> They are very similar.

A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are very

similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the bargain

price of $250,000.

John

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

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> Bazzer Smith wrote:

>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

>> news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely

>>>>similar to Win98.

>>>

>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>>>

>>>>It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>>

>>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems are

>>>anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are only

>>>kidding yourself.

>>

>> They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe.

>> They are very similar.

>

> A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are very

> similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the bargain

> price of $250,000.

Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and

whistles.

Take the wheels for example, both the same design, one costs £50 the other

costs £5,000.

Tell you what will give you £300 for you Lambrghini, actually I would not

buy it at all at any price except so sell on to some mug.

Wait untill you take it for a service, you won't be laughing then I can

assuer

you.

>

> John

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

I wil have my disks backed up and bootable before long.

It won't cos me a penny.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> No, but strangely enough, I AM an A** hole, <s>.

>

> But that's totally OT. The issue is whether or not you can simply copy all

> of the files from a Windows XP installation to some location and then

> simply copy them to an empty partition and make it work. And every word

> out of your mouth proves my contention: That you're an idiot.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

> news:CZMdk.233932$Ek2.13924@newsfe17.ams2...

>> You are ful of crap.

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:OtBVBf34IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> You're not just a stupid, idiotic fool, you're a raving lunatic!

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>> http://www.qweas.com/download/system/disk_tools/spotmau_disk_clone_backup_guide.htm

>>>

>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>> news:qaCdk.5260$xs1.3933@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>

>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:IUBdk.114523$jB5.10400@newsfe05.ams2...

>>>>>

>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>>> news:ug3EMCx4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Then you're an idiot for upgrading to Windows XP. Windows XP isn't

>>>>>> remotely similar to Win98. Nobody told you?

>>>>>

>>>>> It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>>>> Anyhow here are some programs you can buy to clone a windows98 drive.

>>>>>

>>>>> Of course if you don't like dlushing money down the bog you can do it

>>>>> for nowt!!

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyhow it is just data on a drive. If XP is not running I don't see

>>>>> how it can

>>>>> stop me copying it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyway I might have a solution here!!

>>>>>

>>>>> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/larry/generalities/gparted.htm

>>>>>

>>>>> Ubuntu isn't remotely similar to windows. Nobody told you? :O)

>>>>

>>>> Ha ha I tried to boot into Ubuntu but I have not told it I have

>>>> a new graphics card yet!!

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:aLAdk.5236$xs1.1169@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "LVTravel" <noone@nothere.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:uC%238%23Hw4IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> Even booting in safe mode won't help if you are trying to back up

>>>>>>>> system files as they will always be in use. You should not back up

>>>>>>>> program files or the OS using the drag and drop method or even

>>>>>>>> using a copy program like XCopy as the OS and programs are

>>>>>>>> generally useless (in other words, they won't reinstall properly)

>>>>>>>> when backed up that way. If you are trying to back up the system

>>>>>>>> and the programs you should image the drive using a program like

>>>>>>>> Acronis True Image or the like.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To do a drag and drop backup of data files, you need to make sure

>>>>>>>> that there is no program using any of the files.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Well the operating system will be using some of the files.

>>>>>>> I know I could do this in wiindows98 because I used that

>>>>>>> method to clone my main drive to my backup drive.

>>>>>>> No expensive software required.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:fPydk.236661$NN3.80502@newsfe08.ams2...

>>>>>>>>>I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

Bazzer Smith wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> news:%23zdEbdB5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>>Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>

>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

>>>news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely

>>>>>similar to Win98.

>>>>

>>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>>>

>>>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems are

>>>>anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are only

>>>>kidding yourself.

>>>

>>>They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe.

>>>They are very similar.

>>

>>A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are very

>>similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the bargain

>>price of $250,000.

>

> Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and

> whistles.

What a fsking joke! Only a dunce would would claim that a Lamborghini

and a Lada are almost mechanically identical!

John

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

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> Bazzer Smith wrote:

>

>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

>> news:%23zdEbdB5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>>

>>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

>>>>news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely

>>>>>>similar to Win98.

>>>>>

>>>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>It is remarkable simiilar!!

>>>>>

>>>>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems

>>>>>are anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are

>>>>>only kidding yourself.

>>>>

>>>>They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe.

>>>>They are very similar.

>>>

>>>A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are very

>>>similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the bargain

>>>price of $250,000.

>>

>> Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and

>> whistles.

>

> What a fsking joke! Only a dunce would would claim that a Lamborghini and

> a Lada are almost mechanically identical!

Only an idiot woudl deny it.

Same engine, same transmission, same suspendion, same cooling, same

clutch, same brakes, same tyres, same sunroof, need I do on?

>

> John

July 12, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

On 11 Jul, 18:46, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> And it will STILL be useless as a full system backup.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>

Looking at his first few posts - i'm not going to read all of them

because it is just you provoking him and him spewing back.

It is clear from that, he just -said- he wanted to copy files in use.

If he meant something else, then that's his problem. I'll first answer

the question he asked.

He didn't say that he wanted copy his OS -for free, but I mentioned

the cloning solutions anyway, since later he complained that people

mentioned -payware- cloning solutions.

Your term "full system backup" is a bit nonsensical.. Even cloning

only works partition by partition. So with that one backs up whichever

partition he wants to backup, and if that is all of them, then so be

it. And if that is on all hard drives, then so be it.

It may be that some offer a backup of a whole hard drive, all

partitions..byte by byte beginning to end. Be interesting to know if

that is the case. Could be, but I doubt it. And I doubt you thought

about that when you said "full system backup". I suppose there is a

"system backup", which you wouldn't really distinguish from a "full

system backup". The distinction is really between imaging/cloning of

a partition, and of file backups.

I notice that in your big argument with Mr Smith, you didn't at any

point state specifically why a file backup wouldn't work. You could

have done that rather than gloat. Of course, file backup is not

recommended practice for backing up an OS.

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

Doesn't surprise me that you have to ask, being dumb as you are.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message

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> I've been asking this question a lot lately but no one answers me, maybe

> you will, Gary.

> How is it possible to be so dumb?

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:Otrrzf34IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Will NOT accomplish a backup that can be restored to a new HD.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://www.pluralsight.com/community/blogs/craig/archive/2006/09/20/38362.aspx

>>

>> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message

>> news:OsOGFW14IHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> CopySharp 336 KB (GUI)

>>> "CopySharp is a GUI tool for copying open/inprocess/locked files."

>>>

>>> Info:

>>> http://www.amitchaudhary.com/

>>>

>>> Download:

>>> http://www.amitchaudhary.com/CopySharp.zip

>>>

>>> --------------------------

>>>

>>> HoboCopy 474 KB (CL)

>>> "You pass it a source directory and a destination directory, and it

>>> makes a recursive copy using VSS."

>>>

>>> Info:

>>>

>>> Download:

>>> http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wangdera/HoboCopy-1.0.0.0-XP-32bit-Release.zip

>>>

>>> ju.c

>>>

>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>> news:fPydk.236661$NN3.80502@newsfe08.ams2...

>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>>>>

>>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

Wow, you're not only an idiot, but you're a pompous bottom feeding idiot

at that. Got the runs from the mouth do you? Your breath smells like a

fart.

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I

> could not

> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy

> across *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this

> fool thinks he will

> be able to copy them all back as well.

>

> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was

> much easier than that :O)

>

> So that will do for me as a backup.

>

> Yours, The Foolish Idiot.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2...

>>> They cost about £20.

>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive.

>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program

>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!).

>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"!

>>>

>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com...

>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software

>>>> program, they are

>>>> not that expensive

>>>>

>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

To copy files in use etc., you need a program that will use Shadow Copy

mode, and of course that service must be running. Simple as that.

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

The term "full system backup" is used lots, but you're right, I was only

concerned with the

%systemdrive% partition. And it was made clear, very early on, that the

whole reason he started this thread is that he was trying to COPY files to

another location in order to "clone (sic)" his system partition. It's when

he insisted that he could do it in Win98 so he should be able to do it in

XP, and refused to believe that it wouldn't work when told so, that he

earned the title "Idiot".

I have no patience for idiots. That simple. I'd prefer he COPY his files to

another partition, wipe the existing one, and then try restoring the system.

Learn the hard way. Or maybe never be able to get back online ever again.

That would be good for the world as a whole. Such WILLFULL idiocy deserves

nothing less than a total yanking of computer privileges.

The point of this thread isn't how to successfully back up XP, it's about a

stubborn idiot who obviously knows nothing about Windows XP and yet refuses

to believe those who know what they are talking about, which group obviously

includes you. Who whines about how he refuses to pay twenty pounds for a

solution that will actually work and get him back his system when it falls

on its face. Who insists (STILL!!) that there's no difference between Win9x

and WinXP. To me, that's just more idiocy. If the data/system is worth

backing up, if having it disappear on him would constitute a disaster, then

quibbling over a few pounds is just another form of idiocy.

No, when a poster starts out by insisting he already knows all the answers,

he deserves nothing but derision. He certainly does NOT deserve any real

assistance.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

<jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On 11 Jul, 18:46, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> And it will STILL be useless as a full system backup.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>>

>

> Looking at his first few posts - i'm not going to read all of them

> because it is just you provoking him and him spewing back.

>

> It is clear from that, he just -said- he wanted to copy files in use.

>

> If he meant something else, then that's his problem. I'll first answer

> the question he asked.

>

> He didn't say that he wanted copy his OS -for free, but I mentioned

> the cloning solutions anyway, since later he complained that people

> mentioned -payware- cloning solutions.

>

> Your term "full system backup" is a bit nonsensical.. Even cloning

> only works partition by partition. So with that one backs up whichever

> partition he wants to backup, and if that is all of them, then so be

> it. And if that is on all hard drives, then so be it.

> It may be that some offer a backup of a whole hard drive, all

> partitions..byte by byte beginning to end. Be interesting to know if

> that is the case. Could be, but I doubt it. And I doubt you thought

> about that when you said "full system backup". I suppose there is a

> "system backup", which you wouldn't really distinguish from a "full

> system backup". The distinction is really between imaging/cloning of

> a partition, and of file backups.

>

> I notice that in your big argument with Mr Smith, you didn't at any

> point state specifically why a file backup wouldn't work. You could

> have done that rather than gloat. Of course, file backup is not

> recommended practice for backing up an OS.

>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

Ummm.... Just what brand of troll are you?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message

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>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>

> Wow, you're not only an idiot, but you're a pompous bottom feeding idiot

> at that. Got the runs from the mouth do you? Your breath smells like a

> fart.

>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot."

Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, boot to

some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new one,

format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that simply copying

the files back & forth will result in a working system.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2...

>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I could

>> not

>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy across

>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool

>> thinks he will

>> be able to copy them all back as well.

>>

>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was much

>> easier than that :O)

>>

>> So that will do for me as a backup.

>

> Good luck resoting it, Idiot.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>

>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>> They cost about £20.

>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive.

>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program

>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!).

>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"!

>>>>

>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com...

>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software program,

>>>>> they are

>>>>> not that expensive

>>>>>

>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

On 13 Jul, 01:39, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> The term "full system backup" is used lots, but you're right, I was only

> concerned with the

> %systemdrive% partition. And it was made clear, very early on, that the

> whole reason he started this thread is that he was trying to COPY files to

> another location in order to "clone (sic)" his system partition. It's when

> he insisted that he could do it in Win98 so he should be able to do it in

> XP, and refused to believe that it wouldn't work when told so, that he

> earned the title "Idiot".

>

> I have no patience for idiots. That simple. I'd prefer he COPY his files to

> another partition, wipe the existing one, and then try restoring the system.

> Learn the hard way. Or maybe never be able to get back online ever again.

> That would be good for the world as a whole. Such WILLFULL idiocy deserves

> nothing less than a total yanking of computer privileges.

>

> The point of this thread isn't how to successfully back up XP, it's about a

> stubborn idiot who obviously knows nothing about Windows XP and yet refuses

> to believe those who know what they are talking about, which group obviously

> includes you. Who whines about how he refuses to pay twenty pounds for a

> solution that will actually work and get him back his system when it falls

> on its face. Who insists (STILL!!) that there's no difference between Win9x

> and WinXP. To me, that's just more idiocy. If the data/system is worth

> backing up, if having it disappear on him would constitute a disaster, then

> quibbling over a few pounds is just another form of idiocy.

>

> No, when a poster starts out by insisting he already knows all the answers,

> he deserves nothing but derision. He certainly does NOT deserve any real

> assistance.

<snip>

Pointless though giving him endless derision and not technical

answers.

He is -effectively- asking the question, of why a file backup/copy

won't work.

Do you have a technical answer for him?

I suspect that it can be done, but people don't do it because

cloning or reinstalling works. And file backup has issues that they

don't want to know about.

Here are a few

-files in use / some files that won't copy for that kind of reason,

but that has been discussed.

-attributes (though familiariy with xcopy and xxcopy would deal with

that, I guess something like xcopy C:\ G:\ /K /H )

-I suppose that NTFS might store other information about files such as

permissions of users to access them. The kind of thing one might get

a small view of when right clicking a file or folder and going to

properties - one gets a view of these things if SFS is turned off.

xcopy may copy that , I don't know.

One could always convert to FAT32 and do it. Though

a)Win XP , it's recommended , to be run on NTFS not FAT32 (and you may

need some payware like partition magic, to convert it NTFS to FAT32)

b)Say you to convert it to FAT32, do the copy, and then convert to

NTFS. Converting an existing Win XP system from FAT32 to NTFS , has

some security issue or something. (prob not an issue for most people.

I recall converting my system FAT32 to NTFS with the convert command

and not noticing any problem)

- The master boot record.

if that were not right for some reason, one could always boot up the

recovery console and try the 3 (win xp recovery console) muskateers

FIXMBR,FIXBOOT,BOOTCFG /REBUILD

- explorer can be a pain in the ass. It won't leave you alone for the

copy that takes hours. You can click Yes, and it will prompt you again

to click Yes. You can hold shift and click yes. Then go out and come

back and it will have prompted you again. Most people have not learnt

xcopy, and most nowadays can't even use copy (most that can, knew

MSDOS).

People have done far far trickier hacks than file copying an OS (they

have booted windows off USB e.g. a usb flash drive!). Thte only reason

they don't file copy an OS, is because cloning works so well. And

reinstalling works without the mentioned "issues" of a file copy. And

you can have unattended installations.

Another file copy issue, is that unless there is some hack, Win NT

(e.g. Win XP) won't work on a motherboard with a different chipset.

Win 9X (e.g. Win98) Did.

One could always do a win xp repair installation afterwards if there

were problems, and that would smooth things out.

This bazzer character is clearly willing to experiment, and isn't an

"end user" type that is afraid of messing things up. He probably likes

getting into a pickle and picking his way out of it, especially when

others say it can't be done and don't give technical reasons why

I've done some things - as experiments - to better understand how the

machine works.

There are free ways to clone though, so no reason why one would have

to go for a file backup - which turns into a hack.

Some people - many techies - like to be able to do everything - or at

least fundamental operations - with freeware or software built into

windows. Though with imaging and partitions, most use partition magic

and norton/acronis. Freeware cloning software is a new thing and has

yet to gain trust. Still, there are cloning utilities from hard drive

manufacturers - apparently, though I don't know any techies that use

those, I have heard that they work well.

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows that

already. So why continue debating this with him? It's pointless.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot."

>

> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, boot

> to

> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new one,

> format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that simply copying

> the files back & forth will result in a working system.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2...

>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I

>>> could

>>> not

>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy

>>> across

>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool

>>> thinks he will

>>> be able to copy them all back as well.

>>>

>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was much

>>> easier than that :O)

>>>

>>> So that will do for me as a backup.

>>

>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>> They cost about £20.

>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive.

>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program

>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!).

>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"!

>>>>>

>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com...

>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software program,

>>>>>> they are

>>>>>> not that expensive

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

That's the same guy who posted that Nero is free, and that registry cleaners

are great, and actually speed up your system.

nuff' said. :-)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Ummm.... Just what brand of troll are you?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message

> news:uaLDS$H5IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>

>> Wow, you're not only an idiot, but you're a pompous bottom feeding idiot

>> at that. Got the runs from the mouth do you? Your breath smells like a

>> fart.

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot does it.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows that

> already. So why continue debating this with him? It's pointless.

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot."

>>

>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, boot

>> to

>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new one,

>> format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that simply copying

>> the files back & forth will result in a working system.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I

>>>> could

>>>> not

>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy

>>>> across

>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool

>>>> thinks he will

>>>> be able to copy them all back as well.

>>>>

>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was much

>>>> easier than that :O)

>>>>

>>>> So that will do for me as a backup.

>>>

>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>

>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>>

>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>>> They cost about £20.

>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive.

>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program

>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!).

>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software program,

>>>>>>> they are

>>>>>>> not that expensive

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

And what do you want to bet he actually won't? It's just a lot of

bluster talk and wishful thinking. OK, I'll raise you .. five. :-)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot does

> it.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:O5zx9AK5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows that

>> already. So why continue debating this with him? It's pointless.

>>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot."

>>>

>>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, boot

>>> to

>>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new one,

>>> format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that simply

>>> copying

>>> the files back & forth will result in a working system.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I

>>>>> could

>>>>> not

>>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy

>>>>> across

>>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool

>>>>> thinks he will

>>>>> be able to copy them all back as well.

>>>>>

>>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was

>>>>> much

>>>>> easier than that :O)

>>>>>

>>>>> So that will do for me as a backup.

>>>>

>>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>>>> They cost about £20.

>>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive.

>>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program

>>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!).

>>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software program,

>>>>>>>> they are

>>>>>>>> not that expensive

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

You think you can teach the idiot anything, be my guest. Is there a

particular reason you're talking to me instead?

Of *course* there are a multitude of ways to decently backup an XP system,

some better and some worse, some free, some not, etc., ad infinitum. But

idiot came through the gate with his tunes firmly jammed into his brain, and

instead insisted on a method that is doomed to failure. Why help such a

fool? Derision is much more entertaining.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

<jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On 13 Jul, 01:39, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> The term "full system backup" is used lots, but you're right, I was only

>> concerned with the

>> %systemdrive% partition. And it was made clear, very early on, that the

>> whole reason he started this thread is that he was trying to COPY files

>> to

>> another location in order to "clone (sic)" his system partition. It's

>> when

>> he insisted that he could do it in Win98 so he should be able to do it in

>> XP, and refused to believe that it wouldn't work when told so, that he

>> earned the title "Idiot".

>>

>> I have no patience for idiots. That simple. I'd prefer he COPY his files

>> to

>> another partition, wipe the existing one, and then try restoring the

>> system.

>> Learn the hard way. Or maybe never be able to get back online ever again.

>> That would be good for the world as a whole. Such WILLFULL idiocy

>> deserves

>> nothing less than a total yanking of computer privileges.

>>

>> The point of this thread isn't how to successfully back up XP, it's about

>> a

>> stubborn idiot who obviously knows nothing about Windows XP and yet

>> refuses

>> to believe those who know what they are talking about, which group

>> obviously

>> includes you. Who whines about how he refuses to pay twenty pounds for a

>> solution that will actually work and get him back his system when it

>> falls

>> on its face. Who insists (STILL!!) that there's no difference between

>> Win9x

>> and WinXP. To me, that's just more idiocy. If the data/system is worth

>> backing up, if having it disappear on him would constitute a disaster,

>> then

>> quibbling over a few pounds is just another form of idiocy.

>>

>> No, when a poster starts out by insisting he already knows all the

>> answers,

>> he deserves nothing but derision. He certainly does NOT deserve any real

>> assistance.

> <snip>

>

> Pointless though giving him endless derision and not technical

> answers.

>

> He is -effectively- asking the question, of why a file backup/copy

> won't work.

>

> Do you have a technical answer for him?

>

> I suspect that it can be done, but people don't do it because

> cloning or reinstalling works. And file backup has issues that they

> don't want to know about.

>

> Here are a few

> -files in use / some files that won't copy for that kind of reason,

> but that has been discussed.

> -attributes (though familiariy with xcopy and xxcopy would deal with

> that, I guess something like xcopy C:\ G:\ /K /H )

> -I suppose that NTFS might store other information about files such as

> permissions of users to access them. The kind of thing one might get

> a small view of when right clicking a file or folder and going to

> properties - one gets a view of these things if SFS is turned off.

> xcopy may copy that , I don't know.

> One could always convert to FAT32 and do it. Though

> a)Win XP , it's recommended , to be run on NTFS not FAT32 (and you may

> need some payware like partition magic, to convert it NTFS to FAT32)

> b)Say you to convert it to FAT32, do the copy, and then convert to

> NTFS. Converting an existing Win XP system from FAT32 to NTFS , has

> some security issue or something. (prob not an issue for most people.

> I recall converting my system FAT32 to NTFS with the convert command

> and not noticing any problem)

>

> - The master boot record.

> if that were not right for some reason, one could always boot up the

> recovery console and try the 3 (win xp recovery console) muskateers

> FIXMBR,FIXBOOT,BOOTCFG /REBUILD

>

> - explorer can be a pain in the ass. It won't leave you alone for the

> copy that takes hours. You can click Yes, and it will prompt you again

> to click Yes. You can hold shift and click yes. Then go out and come

> back and it will have prompted you again. Most people have not learnt

> xcopy, and most nowadays can't even use copy (most that can, knew

> MSDOS).

>

> People have done far far trickier hacks than file copying an OS (they

> have booted windows off USB e.g. a usb flash drive!). Thte only reason

> they don't file copy an OS, is because cloning works so well. And

> reinstalling works without the mentioned "issues" of a file copy. And

> you can have unattended installations.

>

> Another file copy issue, is that unless there is some hack, Win NT

> (e.g. Win XP) won't work on a motherboard with a different chipset.

> Win 9X (e.g. Win98) Did.

>

> One could always do a win xp repair installation afterwards if there

> were problems, and that would smooth things out.

>

> This bazzer character is clearly willing to experiment, and isn't an

> "end user" type that is afraid of messing things up. He probably likes

> getting into a pickle and picking his way out of it, especially when

> others say it can't be done and don't give technical reasons why

>

> I've done some things - as experiments - to better understand how the

> machine works.

>

> There are free ways to clone though, so no reason why one would have

> to go for a file backup - which turns into a hack.

> Some people - many techies - like to be able to do everything - or at

> least fundamental operations - with freeware or software built into

> windows. Though with imaging and partitions, most use partition magic

> and norton/acronis. Freeware cloning software is a new thing and has

> yet to gain trust. Still, there are cloning utilities from hard drive

> manufacturers - apparently, though I don't know any techies that use

> those, I have heard that they work well.

>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

Call...

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:e$h7QqK5IHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> And what do you want to bet he actually won't? It's just a lot of

> bluster talk and wishful thinking. OK, I'll raise you .. five. :-)

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot does

>> it.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:O5zx9AK5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows that

>>> already. So why continue debating this with him? It's pointless.

>>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot."

>>>>

>>>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition,

>>>> boot

>>>> to

>>>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new one,

>>>> format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that simply

>>>> copying

>>>> the files back & forth will result in a working system.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I

>>>>>> could

>>>>>> not

>>>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy

>>>>>> across

>>>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool

>>>>>> thinks he will

>>>>>> be able to copy them all back as well.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was

>>>>>> much

>>>>>> easier than that :O)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So that will do for me as a backup.

>>>>>

>>>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2...

>>>>>>>> They cost about £20.

>>>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive.

>>>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program

>>>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!).

>>>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software

>>>>>>>>> program,

>>>>>>>>> they are

>>>>>>>>> not that expensive

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it

>>>>>>>>>> said some files were being used.

>>>>>>>>>> How can I get round this?

>>>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?

>

July 13, 2008

Re: Cannot copy files in use?

Who's dumber?

Thread title: "Cannot copy files in use?"

My contribution: CopySharp, an absolutely amazing program.

Someone will get this thread when they search for "copy file", or something, and find a

really easy solution.

You reply to my nice community contribution with, "Will NOT accomplish a backup that can

be restored to a new HD."

Very mean and, well, dumb.

ju.c

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uyxSFxH5IHA.3768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Doesn't surprise me that you have to ask, being dumb as you are.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message

> news:euk0Vr$4IHA.5048@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> I've been asking this question a lot lately but no one answers me, maybe you will,

>> Gary.

>> How is it possible to be so dumb?

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:Otrrzf34IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Will NOT accomplish a backup that can be restored to a new HD.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User