Guest jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? On Jul 13, 6:53 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > You think you can teach the idiot anything, be my guest. Is there a > particular reason you're talking to me instead? > > Of *course* there are a multitude of ways to decently backup an XP system, > some better and some worse, some free, some not, etc., ad infinitum. But > idiot came through the gate with his tunes firmly jammed into his brain, and > instead insisted on a method that is doomed to failure. Why help such a > fool? Derision is much more entertaining. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com > derision may be entertaining for one that has the mind of a 12 year old. My point to you, is that you can just answer the question. He wants file backup, so first and foremost give him a file backup solution, or don't. Even say you don't know how do do it as a file backup. You probably never did it or never did it successfully THEN suggest an alternate solution - in your case, presumably buying software. A file backup of the OS does seem possible to me.. I have listed some issues but they are minor. Maybe you , who were so sure it would be a waste of time, why you think it won't and can't work. Or at least, what issues you think there are, besides the ones I mentioned, which were minor. I am not suggesting it as a method, I haven't done it myself.. But You seem to be saying it can't be done. And he's asking why. This is not just between you and him. It's a thread a communal discussion . And you don't seem to have anything technical to contribute.
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? Bazzer Smith wrote: > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:ekEt1ED5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>Bazzer Smith wrote: >> >> >>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>news:%23zdEbdB5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>> >>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>>>news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely >>>>>>>similar to Win98. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is remarkable simiilar!! >>>>>> >>>>>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems >>>>>>are anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are >>>>>>only kidding yourself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe. >>>>>They are very similar. >>>> >>>>A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are very >>>>similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the bargain >>>>price of $250,000. >>> >>> >>> >>>Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and >>>whistles. >> >>What a fsking joke! Only a dunce would would claim that a Lamborghini and >>a Lada are almost mechanically identical! > > > Only an idiot woudl deny it. > Same engine, same transmission, same suspendion, same cooling, same > clutch, same brakes, same tyres, same sunroof, need I do on? No, you have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are an absolute fool! Same engine? A Lada and a Lamborghini have the same engine! How stupid can one be! John
Guest Bazzer Smith Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:%23TgPQ7N5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Bazzer Smith wrote: > >> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >> news:ekEt1ED5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>>news:%23zdEbdB5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely >>>>>>>>similar to Win98. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is remarkable simiilar!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating systems >>>>>>>are anything but similar! If you insist that they are then you are >>>>>>>only kidding yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe. >>>>>>They are very similar. >>>>> >>>>>A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are very >>>>>similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the bargain >>>>>price of $250,000. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and >>>>whistles. >>> >>>What a fsking joke! Only a dunce would would claim that a Lamborghini >>>and a Lada are almost mechanically identical! >> >> >> Only an idiot woudl deny it. >> Same engine, same transmission, same suspendion, same cooling, same >> clutch, same brakes, same tyres, same sunroof, need I do on? > > No, you have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are an absolute > fool! Same engine? A Lada and a Lamborghini have the same engine! How > stupid can one be! You are aware, are you not that both are powered by internal combustion engines? Do forgive me if I am wrong but I don't recall ever hearing of either model using a different type of engine. I stand to be corrected, of course. > > John
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > That's the same guy who posted that Nero is free, and that registry > cleaners are great, and actually speed up your system. Another liar heard from. Must be from the same intestine. > > nuff' said. :-) > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Ummm.... Just what brand of troll are you? >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message >> news:uaLDS$H5IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>> >>> Wow, you're not only an idiot, but you're a pompous bottom feeding >>> idiot at that. Got the runs from the mouth do you? Your breath >>> smells like a fart.
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > You think you can teach the idiot anything, be my guest. Is there a > particular reason you're talking to me instead? > > Of *course* there are a multitude of ways to decently backup an XP > system, some better and some worse, some free, some not, etc., ad > infinitum. But idiot came through the gate with his tunes firmly > jammed into his brain, and instead insisted on a method that is > doomed to failure. Why help such a fool? Derision is much more > entertaining. said the fool, not seeing the huge rock descending on him from the sky. Does your mommy know what you're doing? > > > <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:0047c498-ee90-4391-a7ab-655d541500c8@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> On 13 Jul, 01:39, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >>> The term "full system backup" is used lots, but you're right, I was >>> only concerned with the >>> %systemdrive% partition. And it was made clear, very early on, that >>> the whole reason he started this thread is that he was trying to >>> COPY files to >>> another location in order to "clone (sic)" his system partition. >>> It's when >>> he insisted that he could do it in Win98 so he should be able to do >>> it in XP, and refused to believe that it wouldn't work when told >>> so, that he earned the title "Idiot". >>> >>> I have no patience for idiots. That simple. I'd prefer he COPY his >>> files to >>> another partition, wipe the existing one, and then try restoring the >>> system. >>> Learn the hard way. Or maybe never be able to get back online ever >>> again. That would be good for the world as a whole. Such WILLFULL >>> idiocy deserves >>> nothing less than a total yanking of computer privileges. >>> >>> The point of this thread isn't how to successfully back up XP, it's >>> about a >>> stubborn idiot who obviously knows nothing about Windows XP and yet >>> refuses >>> to believe those who know what they are talking about, which group >>> obviously >>> includes you. Who whines about how he refuses to pay twenty pounds >>> for a solution that will actually work and get him back his system >>> when it falls >>> on its face. Who insists (STILL!!) that there's no difference >>> between Win9x >>> and WinXP. To me, that's just more idiocy. If the data/system is >>> worth backing up, if having it disappear on him would constitute a >>> disaster, then >>> quibbling over a few pounds is just another form of idiocy. >>> >>> No, when a poster starts out by insisting he already knows all the >>> answers, >>> he deserves nothing but derision. He certainly does NOT deserve any >>> real assistance. >> <snip> >> >> Pointless though giving him endless derision and not technical >> answers. >> >> He is -effectively- asking the question, of why a file backup/copy >> won't work. >> >> Do you have a technical answer for him? >> >> I suspect that it can be done, but people don't do it because >> cloning or reinstalling works. And file backup has issues that they >> don't want to know about. >> >> Here are a few >> -files in use / some files that won't copy for that kind of reason, >> but that has been discussed. >> -attributes (though familiariy with xcopy and xxcopy would deal with >> that, I guess something like xcopy C:\ G:\ /K /H ) >> -I suppose that NTFS might store other information about files such >> as permissions of users to access them. The kind of thing one might >> get a small view of when right clicking a file or folder and going to >> properties - one gets a view of these things if SFS is turned off. >> xcopy may copy that , I don't know. >> One could always convert to FAT32 and do it. Though >> a)Win XP , it's recommended , to be run on NTFS not FAT32 (and you >> may need some payware like partition magic, to convert it NTFS to >> FAT32) b)Say you to convert it to FAT32, do the copy, and then >> convert to NTFS. Converting an existing Win XP system from FAT32 to >> NTFS , has some security issue or something. (prob not an issue for >> most people. I recall converting my system FAT32 to NTFS with the >> convert command and not noticing any problem) >> >> - The master boot record. >> if that were not right for some reason, one could always boot up the >> recovery console and try the 3 (win xp recovery console) muskateers >> FIXMBR,FIXBOOT,BOOTCFG /REBUILD >> >> >> - explorer can be a pain in the ass. It won't leave you alone for the >> copy that takes hours. You can click Yes, and it will prompt you >> again to click Yes. You can hold shift and click yes. Then go out >> and come back and it will have prompted you again. Most people have >> not learnt xcopy, and most nowadays can't even use copy (most that >> can, knew MSDOS). >> >> >> People have done far far trickier hacks than file copying an OS (they >> have booted windows off USB e.g. a usb flash drive!). Thte only >> reason they don't file copy an OS, is because cloning works so well. >> And reinstalling works without the mentioned "issues" of a file >> copy. And you can have unattended installations. >> >> Another file copy issue, is that unless there is some hack, Win NT >> (e.g. Win XP) won't work on a motherboard with a different chipset. >> Win 9X (e.g. Win98) Did. >> >> One could always do a win xp repair installation afterwards if there >> were problems, and that would smooth things out. >> >> This bazzer character is clearly willing to experiment, and isn't an >> "end user" type that is afraid of messing things up. He probably >> likes getting into a pickle and picking his way out of it, >> especially when others say it can't be done and don't give technical >> reasons why I've done some things - as experiments - to better >> understand how the >> machine works. >> >> There are free ways to clone though, so no reason why one would have >> to go for a file backup - which turns into a hack. >> Some people - many techies - like to be able to do everything - or at >> least fundamental operations - with freeware or software built into >> windows. Though with imaging and partitions, most use partition magic >> and norton/acronis. Freeware cloning software is a new thing and has >> yet to gain trust. Still, there are cloning utilities from hard drive >> manufacturers - apparently, though I don't know any techies that use >> those, I have heard that they work well.
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." > > Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, > boot to some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a > new one, format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that > simply copying the files back & forth will result in a working system. Nice attitude for someone that claims to be an MVP. It is not anyone's place to prove anything to you; it's to you to help the OP, which you seem to be incapbable of. YOu're actually a troll or troll wanna-be and worse than that, have a very low opinion of yourself, thus the need to push others below what you consider your own level. But you haven't sunk low enough yet. MVP does not apply to the likes of you, I'm afraid and I'm reasonably sure you know nothing about being an MVP and likely havent' even read their policies. You're a phony, a troll and an online stalker by having singled someone out. It also doesn't sound as though your expertise level (and I use the phrase sparingly) goes even beyond win98. A quick trip through Google shows you to have a rather dull existance of lowly existance. > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I >>> could not >>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy >>> across *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more >>> this fool thinks he will >>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>> >>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was >>> much easier than that :O) >>> >>> So that will do for me as a backup. >> >> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>> program, they are >>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows that > already. So why continue debating this with him? It's pointless. You're even more ignorant and vague than the troll is > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." >> >> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, >> boot to >> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new >> one, format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that >> simply copying the files back & forth will result in a working >> system. -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I >>>> could >>>> not >>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy >>>> across >>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool >>>> thinks he will >>>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>>> >>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was >>>> much easier than that :O) >>>> >>>> So that will do for me as a backup. >>> >>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>>> program, they are >>>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot > does it. It's also nice knowing if you ever need such a function you'll assume it can't be done. Your expertise is severely limited. > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:O5zx9AK5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows >> that already. So why continue debating this with him? It's >> pointless. Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." >>> >>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, >>> boot to >>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new >>> one, format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that >>> simply copying the files back & forth will result in a working >>> system. -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files >>>>> I could >>>>> not >>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy >>>>> across >>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this >>>>> fool thinks he will >>>>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it >>>>> was much easier than that :O) >>>>> >>>>> So that will do for me as a backup. >>>> >>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>>>> program, they are >>>>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > And what do you want to bet he actually won't? It's just a lot of > bluster talk and wishful thinking. OK, I'll raise you .. five. You should know, shouldn't you? > :-) > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot >> does it. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:O5zx9AK5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows >>> that already. So why continue debating this with him? It's >>> pointless. Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." >>>> >>>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another >>>> partition, boot to >>>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new >>>> one, format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that >>>> simply copying >>>> the files back & forth will result in a working system. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome >>>>>> files I could >>>>>> not >>>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to >>>>>> copy across >>>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this >>>>>> fool thinks he will >>>>>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it >>>>>> was much >>>>>> easier than that :O) >>>>>> >>>>>> So that will do for me as a backup. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>>>>> program, they are >>>>>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode?
Guest Twayne Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? > Bazzer Smith wrote: > >> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >> news:ekEt1ED5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>> Bazzer Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:%23zdEbdB5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't >>>>>>>> remotely similar to Win98. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is remarkable simiilar!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating >>>>>>> systems are anything but similar! If you insist that they are >>>>>>> then you are only kidding yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe. >>>>>> They are very similar. >>>>> >>>>> A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They >>>>> are very similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it >>>>> for the bargain price of $250,000. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and >>>> whistles. >>> >>> What a fsking joke! Only a dunce would would claim that a >>> Lamborghini and a Lada are almost mechanically identical! >> >> >> Only an idiot woudl deny it. >> Same engine, same transmission, same suspendion, same cooling, same >> clutch, same brakes, same tyres, same sunroof, need I do on? > > No, you have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are an > absolute fool! Same engine? A Lada and a Lamborghini have the same > engine! How stupid can one be! > > John He likes being on the "leading edge" of stupid, that's all.
Guest Bazzer Smith Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? All-in!! "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OBAoT0K5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Call... > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:e$h7QqK5IHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> And what do you want to bet he actually won't? It's just a lot of >> bluster talk and wishful thinking. OK, I'll raise you .. five. :-) >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot does >>> it. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:O5zx9AK5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows that >>>> already. So why continue debating this with him? It's pointless. >>>> >>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>>>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." >>>>> >>>>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, >>>>> boot >>>>> to >>>>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new one, >>>>> format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that simply >>>>> copying >>>>> the files back & forth will result in a working system. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy >>>>>>> across >>>>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this fool >>>>>>> thinks he will >>>>>>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was >>>>>>> much >>>>>>> easier than that :O) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So that will do for me as a backup. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>>>>>> program, >>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode? >> >> > >
Guest Bazzer Smith Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uQiHQK44IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > So go prove it, fool! As I said initially backing up the stuff is the main thing and I can backup all the files even though I could not access some in windows (but I have sorted that out now too). OK maybe XP has some sort of copy protection on it but anyway I have ubuntu on the other drive as a backup operating system and with that and all my data I feel pretty safe. There is I think free cloning software available should I need it. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message > news:8dNdk.233936$Ek2.220200@newsfe17.ams2... >> >> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >> news:S6Ndk.233933$Ek2.214470@newsfe17.ams2... >>> >>> <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:e7737b09-49a2-488d-8de2-c20df6c66a91@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 11, 6:07 am, "Bazzer Smith" <m...@invalid.net> wrote: >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in >>>> messagenews:ug3EMCx4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> > Then you're an idiot for upgrading to Windows XP. Windows XP isn't >>>> > remotely similar to Win98. Nobody told you? >>>> >>>> It is remarkable simiilar!! >>>> Anyhow here are some programs you can buy to clone a windows98 >>>> drive.http://www.qweas.com/download/system/disk_tools/spotmau_disk_clone_ba... >>>> >>>> Of course if you don't like dlushing money down the bog you can do it >>>> for >>>> nowt!! >>>> >>>> Anyhow it is just data on a drive. If XP is not running I don't see how >>>> it >>>> can >>>> stop me copying it. >>>> >>>> Anyway I might have a solution here!! >>>> >>>> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/larry/generalities/gparted.htm >>>> >>>> Ubuntu isn't remotely similar to windows. Nobody told you? :O) >>>> >>> >>> >>> imaging and copying files are a bit different. >>> >>> there are free ways to image a drive. Free imaging programs. >>> >>> xxclone might be free >>> >>> apparently xxcopy has a /clone switch. Which I guess would do an >>> image rather than a file backup. >>> >>> apparently hard drive manufacturers often give free programs to image >>> a drive, see their site. >>> >>> the payware favourite would be acronis, and with second favourite - >>> norton ghost >> >> >> Well I will have a look at those. >> I don't think I need to close really just to copy every file on the >> drive. >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? That kind of logic is what brands you as too dirt-stupid and willfully ignorant to be even using a computer. You're a danger to yourself and others and should be institutionalized. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message news:ivoek.291397$aE7.198892@newsfe16.ams2... > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:%23TgPQ7N5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Bazzer Smith wrote: >> >>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>> news:ekEt1ED5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> >>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>>>news:%23zdEbdB5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:eKe2ML04IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message Windows XP isn't remotely >>>>>>>>>similar to Win98. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bazzer Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It is remarkable simiilar!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>They may "look" the same but under the hood the two operating >>>>>>>>systems are anything but similar! If you insist that they are then >>>>>>>>you are only kidding yourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>They are both stored on a magnetic disk I believe. >>>>>>>They are very similar. >>>>>> >>>>>>A Lada and a Lamborghini both ride on four rubber tires. They are >>>>>>very similar. I have a Lada for you here, you can have it for the >>>>>>bargain price of $250,000. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes mechanicallthey are almost identical apart from a few bells and >>>>>whistles. >>>> >>>>What a fsking joke! Only a dunce would would claim that a Lamborghini >>>>and a Lada are almost mechanically identical! >>> >>> >>> Only an idiot woudl deny it. >>> Same engine, same transmission, same suspendion, same cooling, same >>> clutch, same brakes, same tyres, same sunroof, need I do on? >> >> No, you have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are an absolute >> fool! Same engine? A Lada and a Lamborghini have the same engine! How >> stupid can one be! > > You are aware, are you not that both are powered by internal combustion > engines? > > Do forgive me if I am wrong but I don't recall ever hearing of either > model using a different type of engine. > I stand to be corrected, of course. > >> >> John > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? Whoa! Idiot is finally, maybe, willing to accept that what he INSISTED MUST BE SO is not at all the truth! I'd congratulate you and maybe even back off and try to teach you something, but... But then you go and prove what a truly stupendously stupid person you are with that last sentence. You "think"...? You still don't really know? Just where DO you get your information, anyway. Just scratch away at your crotch for a while and then have yourself a sniff, or what? You've graduated to being a lying sack of sh* t. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message news:DWqek.219488$P83.130346@newsfe20.ams2... > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uQiHQK44IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> So go prove it, fool! > > As I said initially backing up the stuff is the main thing and I can > backup > all the files even though I could not access some in windows (but I have > sorted > that out now too). > OK maybe XP has some sort of copy protection on it but anyway > I have ubuntu on the other drive as a backup operating system and > with that and all my data I feel pretty safe. > There is I think free cloning software available should I need it. > >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >> news:8dNdk.233936$Ek2.220200@newsfe17.ams2... >>> >>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>> news:S6Ndk.233933$Ek2.214470@newsfe17.ams2... >>>> >>>> <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:e7737b09-49a2-488d-8de2-c20df6c66a91@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 11, 6:07 am, "Bazzer Smith" <m...@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in >>>>> messagenews:ug3EMCx4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> > Then you're an idiot for upgrading to Windows XP. Windows XP isn't >>>>> > remotely similar to Win98. Nobody told you? >>>>> >>>>> It is remarkable simiilar!! >>>>> Anyhow here are some programs you can buy to clone a windows98 >>>>> drive.http://www.qweas.com/download/system/disk_tools/spotmau_disk_clone_ba... >>>>> >>>>> Of course if you don't like dlushing money down the bog you can do it >>>>> for >>>>> nowt!! >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow it is just data on a drive. If XP is not running I don't see >>>>> how it >>>>> can >>>>> stop me copying it. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway I might have a solution here!! >>>>> >>>>> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/larry/generalities/gparted.htm >>>>> >>>>> Ubuntu isn't remotely similar to windows. Nobody told you? :O) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> imaging and copying files are a bit different. >>>> >>>> there are free ways to image a drive. Free imaging programs. >>>> >>>> xxclone might be free >>>> >>>> apparently xxcopy has a /clone switch. Which I guess would do an >>>> image rather than a file backup. >>>> >>>> apparently hard drive manufacturers often give free programs to image >>>> a drive, see their site. >>>> >>>> the payware favourite would be acronis, and with second favourite - >>>> norton ghost >>> >>> >>> Well I will have a look at those. >>> I don't think I need to close really just to copy every file on the >>> drive. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? GFY, troll. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:%235JyFsP5IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." >> >> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, >> boot to some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a >> new one, format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that >> simply copying the files back & forth will result in a working system. > > Nice attitude for someone that claims to be an MVP. It is not anyone's > place to prove anything to you; it's to you to help the OP, which you seem > to be incapbable of. YOu're actually a troll or troll wanna-be and worse > than that, have a very low opinion of yourself, thus the need to push > others below what you consider your own level. But you haven't sunk low > enough yet. MVP does not apply to the likes of you, I'm afraid and I'm > reasonably sure you know nothing about being an MVP and likely havent' > even read their policies. You're a phony, a troll and an online stalker > by having singled someone out. It also doesn't sound as though your > expertise level (and I use the phrase sparingly) goes even beyond win98. > > A quick trip through Google shows you to have a rather dull existance of > lowly existance. > > > >> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files I >>>> could not >>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy >>>> across *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more >>>> this fool thinks he will >>>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>>> >>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it was >>>> much easier than that :O) >>>> >>>> So that will do for me as a backup. >>> >>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>>> program, they are >>>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode? > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? Learn to read, slowpoke. Did I say I couldn't take a pile of files and turn it back it back into a functional system? No. I said Idiot won't be able to do it. Why don't you go find a slower, less complicated conversation to involve yourself in? You're way out of your league. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:eVH19sP5IHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I know it won't work. That's why I'm practically praying that Idiot >> does it. > > It's also nice knowing if you ever need such a function you'll assume it > can't be done. Your expertise is severely limited. > >> >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:O5zx9AK5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> It won't work, and anyone with any real computer experience knows >>> that already. So why continue debating this with him? It's >>> pointless. Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>>> That should read: "Good luck *restoring* it, idiot." >>>> >>>> Please, oh please, copy every XP file you can to another partition, >>>> boot to >>>> some partition manager and wipe your system partition, make a new >>>> one, format it, and copy back all those files. Prove to me that >>>> simply copying the files back & forth will result in a working >>>> system. -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:OrLTUd34IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:7UDdk.5330$xs1.740@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>> Well Gary S. Terhune, this idot has just copied across aome files >>>>>> I could >>>>>> not >>>>>> access in windowsXP, so....I am pretty sure I will be able to copy >>>>>> across >>>>>> *every* windowsXP file. (I will do that later) Whats more this >>>>>> fool thinks he will >>>>>> be able to copy them all back as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't use the thing in the link I posted earlier either, it >>>>>> was much easier than that :O) >>>>>> >>>>>> So that will do for me as a backup. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck resoting it, Idiot. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>>>> news:OPdEmCx4IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Worse than an idiot, you're a fool. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:A9Bdk.5242$xs1.4895@newsfe28.ams2... >>>>>>>> They cost about £20. >>>>>>>> I won't pay that for a simple thing like copying a drive. >>>>>>>> Should the worst come to the worst I will write a program >>>>>>>> to do it myself!! (or at least try!!). >>>>>>>> Actually "I have cunning plan"! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:92959EA6-589D-4A8F-9E9F-88898EC2D660@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>> quit trying to cut corners and et a decent backup software >>>>>>>>> program, they are >>>>>>>>> not that expensive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>>>>>> Boot up in safe mode? > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? No, just the truth. Copying files using Explorer is a nonsensical method for backing up a system. Backing up a system is exactly what the OP was looking to do and that is made obvious by the fact that he wants to copy protected system files. Why store copies of system files if not in an attempt to create a usable backup that can be restored to a new partition and function? ALL of the above was as clear as day is long to anyone with the ability to read that very first post and the brains to think out what the idiot was really about. My, this thread is just PACKED full of idiots, isn't it? Did I deny the truth of what you said? No, I just brought it into the context of this mis-titled thread. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message news:uft9aSN5IHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Who's dumber? > > Thread title: "Cannot copy files in use?" > > My contribution: CopySharp, an absolutely amazing program. > > Someone will get this thread when they search for "copy file", or > something, and find a really easy solution. > > You reply to my nice community contribution with, "Will NOT accomplish a > backup that can be restored to a new HD." > > Very mean and, well, dumb. > > > ju.c > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uyxSFxH5IHA.3768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Doesn't surprise me that you have to ask, being dumb as you are. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message >> news:euk0Vr$4IHA.5048@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> I've been asking this question a lot lately but no one answers me, maybe >>> you will, Gary. >>> How is it possible to be so dumb? >>> >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:Otrrzf34IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Will NOT accomplish a backup that can be restored to a new HD. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailnator.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OsOGFW14IHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> CopySharp 336 KB (GUI) >>>>> "CopySharp is a GUI tool for copying open/inprocess/locked files." >>>>> >>>>> Info: >>>>> http://www.amitchaudhary.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Download: >>>>> http://www.amitchaudhary.com/CopySharp.zip >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> HoboCopy 474 KB (CL) >>>>> "You pass it a source directory and a destination directory, and it >>>>> makes a recursive copy using VSS." >>>>> >>>>> Info: >>>>> http://www.pluralsight.com/community/blogs/craig/archive/2006/09/20/38362.aspx >>>>> >>>>> Download: >>>>> http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wangdera/HoboCopy-1.0.0.0-XP-32bit-Release.zip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ju.c >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:fPydk.236661$NN3.80502@newsfe08.ams2... >>>>>> I tried to do a drag and drop back up but it aborted as it >>>>>> said some files were being used. >>>>>> How can I get round this? >>>>>> Boot up in safe mode? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? You ADMIT you don't know what you're talking about but want to argue with me. Get out of my face, you pompous a** hole. Plenty of people offered decent backup solutions to the idiot. One was in the very first post in reply. Those aren't what the idiot wants. He wants to do it HIS way, which, is technically impossible. And yes, I DO know what I'm talking about, and I've even used plenty of the workable ones, enough to know that even the best ones can be difficult to manage properly, depending on the backup strategy involved.. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:7b6b4fe7-993c-4f04-84f7-09f2a813c417@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Jul 13, 6:53 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > You think you can teach the idiot anything, be my guest. Is there a > particular reason you're talking to me instead? > > Of *course* there are a multitude of ways to decently backup an XP system, > some better and some worse, some free, some not, etc., ad infinitum. But > idiot came through the gate with his tunes firmly jammed into his brain, > and > instead insisted on a method that is doomed to failure. Why help such a > fool? Derision is much more entertaining. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com > derision may be entertaining for one that has the mind of a 12 year old. My point to you, is that you can just answer the question. He wants file backup, so first and foremost give him a file backup solution, or don't. Even say you don't know how do do it as a file backup. You probably never did it or never did it successfully THEN suggest an alternate solution - in your case, presumably buying software. A file backup of the OS does seem possible to me.. I have listed some issues but they are minor. Maybe you , who were so sure it would be a waste of time, why you think it won't and can't work. Or at least, what issues you think there are, besides the ones I mentioned, which were minor. I am not suggesting it as a method, I haven't done it myself.. But You seem to be saying it can't be done. And he's asking why. This is not just between you and him. It's a thread a communal discussion . And you don't seem to have anything technical to contribute.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? You spelled your name wrong, Troll. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:eNyyumP5IHA.4268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> You think you can teach the idiot anything, be my guest. Is there a >> particular reason you're talking to me instead? >> >> Of *course* there are a multitude of ways to decently backup an XP >> system, some better and some worse, some free, some not, etc., ad >> infinitum. But idiot came through the gate with his tunes firmly >> jammed into his brain, and instead insisted on a method that is >> doomed to failure. Why help such a fool? Derision is much more >> entertaining. > > said the fool, not seeing the huge rock descending on him from the sky. > Does your mommy know what you're doing? > >> >> >> <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:0047c498-ee90-4391-a7ab-655d541500c8@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>> On 13 Jul, 01:39, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >>>> The term "full system backup" is used lots, but you're right, I was >>>> only concerned with the >>>> %systemdrive% partition. And it was made clear, very early on, that >>>> the whole reason he started this thread is that he was trying to >>>> COPY files to >>>> another location in order to "clone (sic)" his system partition. >>>> It's when >>>> he insisted that he could do it in Win98 so he should be able to do >>>> it in XP, and refused to believe that it wouldn't work when told >>>> so, that he earned the title "Idiot". >>>> >>>> I have no patience for idiots. That simple. I'd prefer he COPY his >>>> files to >>>> another partition, wipe the existing one, and then try restoring the >>>> system. >>>> Learn the hard way. Or maybe never be able to get back online ever >>>> again. That would be good for the world as a whole. Such WILLFULL >>>> idiocy deserves >>>> nothing less than a total yanking of computer privileges. >>>> >>>> The point of this thread isn't how to successfully back up XP, it's >>>> about a >>>> stubborn idiot who obviously knows nothing about Windows XP and yet >>>> refuses >>>> to believe those who know what they are talking about, which group >>>> obviously >>>> includes you. Who whines about how he refuses to pay twenty pounds >>>> for a solution that will actually work and get him back his system >>>> when it falls >>>> on its face. Who insists (STILL!!) that there's no difference >>>> between Win9x >>>> and WinXP. To me, that's just more idiocy. If the data/system is >>>> worth backing up, if having it disappear on him would constitute a >>>> disaster, then >>>> quibbling over a few pounds is just another form of idiocy. >>>> >>>> No, when a poster starts out by insisting he already knows all the >>>> answers, >>>> he deserves nothing but derision. He certainly does NOT deserve any >>>> real assistance. >>> <snip> >>> >>> Pointless though giving him endless derision and not technical >>> answers. >>> >>> He is -effectively- asking the question, of why a file backup/copy >>> won't work. >>> >>> Do you have a technical answer for him? >>> >>> I suspect that it can be done, but people don't do it because >>> cloning or reinstalling works. And file backup has issues that they >>> don't want to know about. >>> >>> Here are a few >>> -files in use / some files that won't copy for that kind of reason, >>> but that has been discussed. >>> -attributes (though familiariy with xcopy and xxcopy would deal with >>> that, I guess something like xcopy C:\ G:\ /K /H ) >>> -I suppose that NTFS might store other information about files such >>> as permissions of users to access them. The kind of thing one might >>> get a small view of when right clicking a file or folder and going to >>> properties - one gets a view of these things if SFS is turned off. >>> xcopy may copy that , I don't know. >>> One could always convert to FAT32 and do it. Though >>> a)Win XP , it's recommended , to be run on NTFS not FAT32 (and you >>> may need some payware like partition magic, to convert it NTFS to >>> FAT32) b)Say you to convert it to FAT32, do the copy, and then >>> convert to NTFS. Converting an existing Win XP system from FAT32 to >>> NTFS , has some security issue or something. (prob not an issue for >>> most people. I recall converting my system FAT32 to NTFS with the >>> convert command and not noticing any problem) >>> >>> - The master boot record. >>> if that were not right for some reason, one could always boot up the >>> recovery console and try the 3 (win xp recovery console) muskateers >>> FIXMBR,FIXBOOT,BOOTCFG /REBUILD >>> >>> >>> - explorer can be a pain in the ass. It won't leave you alone for the >>> copy that takes hours. You can click Yes, and it will prompt you >>> again to click Yes. You can hold shift and click yes. Then go out >>> and come back and it will have prompted you again. Most people have >>> not learnt xcopy, and most nowadays can't even use copy (most that >>> can, knew MSDOS). >>> >>> >>> People have done far far trickier hacks than file copying an OS (they >>> have booted windows off USB e.g. a usb flash drive!). Thte only >>> reason they don't file copy an OS, is because cloning works so well. >>> And reinstalling works without the mentioned "issues" of a file >>> copy. And you can have unattended installations. >>> >>> Another file copy issue, is that unless there is some hack, Win NT >>> (e.g. Win XP) won't work on a motherboard with a different chipset. >>> Win 9X (e.g. Win98) Did. >>> >>> One could always do a win xp repair installation afterwards if there >>> were problems, and that would smooth things out. >>> >>> This bazzer character is clearly willing to experiment, and isn't an >>> "end user" type that is afraid of messing things up. He probably >>> likes getting into a pickle and picking his way out of it, >>> especially when others say it can't be done and don't give technical >>> reasons why I've done some things - as experiments - to better >>> understand how the >>> machine works. >>> >>> There are free ways to clone though, so no reason why one would have >>> to go for a file backup - which turns into a hack. >>> Some people - many techies - like to be able to do everything - or at >>> least fundamental operations - with freeware or software built into >>> windows. Though with imaging and partitions, most use partition magic >>> and norton/acronis. Freeware cloning software is a new thing and has >>> yet to gain trust. Still, there are cloning utilities from hard drive >>> manufacturers - apparently, though I don't know any techies that use >>> those, I have heard that they work well. > > >
Guest jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? I myself mentioned some issues that I could foresee, but I mentioned some workarounds to them. Can you give a technical answer to the question of why you say such a file backup (a file backup of a system, and getting it working) is technically impossible? This should be a technical newsgroup.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? Again, this thread is not about why you can't do what the OP set out to do. It's about the OP having the attitude he has. You want to know the answer, go find it instead of harassing me. Then YOU can have the satisfaction of teaching the idiot a good lesson. Make sure to bring along a good, stout chunk of 4x4 timber. You'll need it for whacking him upside the head every 30 seconds or so. You think those of us who answer technical questions in these groups have all those answers at our fingertips? Truth is we're mostly just good at looking things up, running through diagnostics procedures, etc. Actually remembering all that stuff is impossible (except for a fabled few.) So, no, I'm not going to go to all the effort of looking up documentation and trying explain the whole spiel to the idiot unless he suddenly stops being such an fool and asks politely. Just a bit ago, he actually seemed like he might do so. But in the next sentence he proved himself as yet incapable of accepting tutelage. I knew that what the idiot wanted to do from his first post, that the WAY he set out to do it is a fools errand, and that's all I need to know in order to tell him so. If/when the idiot acknowledges his past idiocies, can ask politely, without insisting he knows anything at all about Windows XP, and if/when I feel like telling him why his method is doomed to failure, I'll reconsider, but he doesn't thus far merit that effort. Nor do you. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:7f3aa58a-28b7-4131-843e-c35cb2dd3e85@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... >I myself mentioned some issues that I could foresee, but I mentioned > some workarounds to them. > > Can you give a technical answer to the question of why you say such a > file backup (a file backup of a system, and getting it working) is > technically impossible? > > This should be a technical newsgroup.
Guest jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? On Jul 13, 10:24 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Again, this thread is not about why you can't do what the OP set out to do. > It's about the OP having the attitude he has. You want to know the answer, > go find it instead of harassing me. Then YOU can have the satisfaction of > teaching the idiot a good lesson. Make sure to bring along a good, stout > chunk of 4x4 timber. You'll need it for whacking him upside the head every > 30 seconds or so. > > You think those of us who answer technical questions in these groups have > all those answers at our fingertips? Truth is we're mostly just good at > looking things up, running through diagnostics procedures, etc. Actually > remembering all that stuff is impossible (except for a fabled few.) So, no, > I'm not going to go to all the effort of looking up documentation and trying > explain the whole spiel to the idiot unless he suddenly stops being such an > fool and asks politely. Just a bit ago, he actually seemed like he might do > so. But in the next sentence he proved himself as yet incapable of accepting > tutelage. > > I knew that what the idiot wanted to do from his first post, that the WAY he > set out to do it is a fools errand, and that's all I need to know in order > to tell him so. If/when the idiot acknowledges his past idiocies, can ask > politely, without insisting he knows anything at all about Windows XP, and > if/when I feel like telling him why his method is doomed to failure, I'll > reconsider, but he doesn't thus far merit that effort. > > Nor do you. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com You claimed that it was technically impossible. So you should know. You should be able to prove it. I seriously doubt that you ever did a file copy of an XP system. Because, as you know, there are better ways of backing up an OS. As a techie, I know that if I had bothered, it would have been out of curiousity, and there would have been no point unless I had noted down the issues. The file copy would take some hours.. And most techies wouldn't bother at all. I'm sure you didn't, and you shouldn't be claiming that it is impossible if you can't make the case. And to say that suggests that it cannot be hacked, which is just ridiculous. People have hacked far more odd things. (think, win xp on usb) Why is it that MVPs always see a thread as between them and the OP? Normally they are not as rude as you, and they try to he helpful. But the concept there is the same. All that matters with you MVPs is what the OP wants to do, not what the OP asked. Everything has to be personalised for the OP, to his requirements. No generic solutions that might be useful in the archives In a win xp newsgruop the problem is not so bad.. With networking newsgroups it's worse (do you work in a big room or a small room? how much are you willing to spend? e.t..c) Why care is the OP is an idiot. The OP stated a problem.. You gave your answer, or non answer. It may be useful for others, though probably not in this case. Why are you so concerned with the psychology of the OP? A thread is not just about the OP. It's about all the people that could benefit from reading the problem and solution that the OP posted. Avenues can be explored. And if the OP doesn't follow something, he can ask. The thread needn't be lowered to the OP's level. But any technical solution can be broken down to a level he can udnerstand, at his prompting. Or not if his psychology doesn't allow it. Reality is you don't have a solution for him. And yes, he is ignorant too, but you try to use that as a cover for your ignorance. You said yourself that you don't know the answer off hand. And you're good at looking things up. And I can tell you that you won't find the answer in a reference manual. You would know if you had tried it yourself. But you clearly didn't. <snip>
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? You bore me to tears. I've explained myself to YOU as much as I'm ever going to. You say you're a techie, so why don't you go find the answer for the OP if you think he deserves it. I don't think he deserves it, end of discussion. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:56692dca-ce6d-497b-913c-2a7f684f60e2@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 13, 10:24 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Again, this thread is not about why you can't do what the OP set out to > do. > It's about the OP having the attitude he has. You want to know the answer, > go find it instead of harassing me. Then YOU can have the satisfaction of > teaching the idiot a good lesson. Make sure to bring along a good, stout > chunk of 4x4 timber. You'll need it for whacking him upside the head every > 30 seconds or so. > > You think those of us who answer technical questions in these groups have > all those answers at our fingertips? Truth is we're mostly just good at > looking things up, running through diagnostics procedures, etc. Actually > remembering all that stuff is impossible (except for a fabled few.) So, > no, > I'm not going to go to all the effort of looking up documentation and > trying > explain the whole spiel to the idiot unless he suddenly stops being such > an > fool and asks politely. Just a bit ago, he actually seemed like he might > do > so. But in the next sentence he proved himself as yet incapable of > accepting > tutelage. > > I knew that what the idiot wanted to do from his first post, that the WAY > he > set out to do it is a fools errand, and that's all I need to know in order > to tell him so. If/when the idiot acknowledges his past idiocies, can ask > politely, without insisting he knows anything at all about Windows XP, and > if/when I feel like telling him why his method is doomed to failure, I'll > reconsider, but he doesn't thus far merit that effort. > > Nor do you. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com You claimed that it was technically impossible. So you should know. You should be able to prove it. I seriously doubt that you ever did a file copy of an XP system. Because, as you know, there are better ways of backing up an OS. As a techie, I know that if I had bothered, it would have been out of curiousity, and there would have been no point unless I had noted down the issues. The file copy would take some hours.. And most techies wouldn't bother at all. I'm sure you didn't, and you shouldn't be claiming that it is impossible if you can't make the case. And to say that suggests that it cannot be hacked, which is just ridiculous. People have hacked far more odd things. (think, win xp on usb) Why is it that MVPs always see a thread as between them and the OP? Normally they are not as rude as you, and they try to he helpful. But the concept there is the same. All that matters with you MVPs is what the OP wants to do, not what the OP asked. Everything has to be personalised for the OP, to his requirements. No generic solutions that might be useful in the archives In a win xp newsgruop the problem is not so bad.. With networking newsgroups it's worse (do you work in a big room or a small room? how much are you willing to spend? e.t..c) Why care is the OP is an idiot. The OP stated a problem.. You gave your answer, or non answer. It may be useful for others, though probably not in this case. Why are you so concerned with the psychology of the OP? A thread is not just about the OP. It's about all the people that could benefit from reading the problem and solution that the OP posted. Avenues can be explored. And if the OP doesn't follow something, he can ask. The thread needn't be lowered to the OP's level. But any technical solution can be broken down to a level he can udnerstand, at his prompting. Or not if his psychology doesn't allow it. Reality is you don't have a solution for him. And yes, he is ignorant too, but you try to use that as a cover for your ignorance. You said yourself that you don't know the answer off hand. And you're good at looking things up. And I can tell you that you won't find the answer in a reference manual. You would know if you had tried it yourself. But you clearly didn't. <snip>
Guest jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? On Jul 14, 9:32 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > You bore me to tears. I've explained myself to YOU as much as I'm ever going > to. You say you're a techie, so why don't you go find the answer for the OP > if you think he deserves it. I don't think he deserves it, end of > discussion. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com nobody deserves nuffin! I am not going to be doing the test just for him.. If I do the test, it will not be for some weeks or months anyway if at all. it's not about what he deserves. It's not just about You and the OP. or us and the OP. It never is, and it shouldn't be. It's about the technical community and the technical community. First and foremost.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Cannot copy files in use? Have you bothered to Google the issue? There are several hints and at least one darned decent explanation in just these articles. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cannot+boot+XP+xxcopy&btnG=Google+Search Here's one I like: http://gjullien.fr/copy_xp.htm -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:56840838-3f37-4e12-a6bf-5f009c5bbf84@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 14, 9:32 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > You bore me to tears. I've explained myself to YOU as much as I'm ever > going > to. You say you're a techie, so why don't you go find the answer for the > OP > if you think he deserves it. I don't think he deserves it, end of > discussion. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com nobody deserves nuffin! I am not going to be doing the test just for him.. If I do the test, it will not be for some weeks or months anyway if at all. it's not about what he deserves. It's not just about You and the OP. or us and the OP. It never is, and it shouldn't be. It's about the technical community and the technical community. First and foremost.
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