Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

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[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <SWbek.5120$cn7.452@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>, toidi@tpap.com

says...

> Ignore posts made by the person called Leythos, he is a stalker who's been

> obsessed with me for years ever since I spurned his advances towards me.

>

 

Do you really want to trust someone that was banned from posting

directly to Microsoft Usenet servers, someone that has posted links to

pornographic materials on HIS WEBSITE, who's website is in the MVP HOST

Block list, and who provides a tool for your use that will block access

to reputable anti-malware sites without telling you he's doing it?

 

And do you really want to trust someone that has had to change their

posting identity after being busted by MS as a fake MVP?

 

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[Guest Michael Johnson]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

measekite wrote:

>

>

> Michael Johnson wrote:

>> Yianni wrote:

>>>> Like I said the word compatible is an overused meanless word. There

>>>> is not such thing.

>>>

>>> Do you have a better name, instead of compatibles?

>>

>> For the benefit of those that don't know, you should know that this

>> guy is what I consider the village idiot of the printer newsgroups he

>> frequents.

>

> Junior aka Jerk Junior because he cannot compete as bad as he is with

> the Jerk Senior is one of those who does not like it when someone tells

> the truth about non OEM ink. Who knows what he think of the PCWorld

> article.

 

Thanks for helping make my point about you being our village idiot.

Continuing to use PCWorld as a source about ink quality further shows

your stupidity.

>> He constantly drones on about how we should all be buying overpriced

>> OEM ink cartridges and never shows any signs of intelligence on the

>> matter. The only reason he can promote to support using OEM ink is

>> fading

> Read PCWorld you get better quality and lower fading.

>> which has never proved a problem for those of us that uses compatible

>> inks.

>

> These lies contradict the test results in PCWorld and Wilhelm Labs both

> having more respect then this aftermarket shill.

>> He has never used these inks himself but thinks he is an expert

>> regarding them. Just realize that you're dealing with an idiot

>

> Hey Junior he sounds to me like he got your number.

 

You will always be the village idiot.

>> so don't expect a fruitful, intellectually stimulating interchange

>> with him.

[Guest Michael Johnson]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

measekite wrote:

>

>

> Yianni wrote:

>>> Like I said the word compatible is an overused meanless word. There

>>> is not such thing.

>>

>> Do you have a better name, instead of compatibles?

 

Let us dissect Village Idiot's reply.

> Usually the crap in works in most of the printers. If you print quite a

> bit then the risk of clogging is reduced but not to the point of OEM

> ink. If you do not print much then you take your chances. The ink

> quality is also below OEM and the risk of fading is much higher. You

> spend less but in reality you do not save money because you are not

> getting the same thing.

 

All the above is patently untrue for nearly all quality compatible inks.

It definitely doesn't apply to the compatible ink I have used for

years and will continue to use for many more. Village Idiot is too

stupid to know that paying up to 10X the cost for replacement OEM ink

cartridges is ALWAYS a money losing proposition for the consumer.

> Almost all of the generic vendors will not tell you the maker of the ink

> so it is difficult to track in the marketplace.

 

Some do and some do not but in any event who cares? I don't because the

ink I buy works as good as OEM ink. Knowing where it came from won't

change this fact. Let's see what his next stupid point is....

> PCWorld has an interesting article on this subject this month where they

> even softpedaled the perils of the aftermarket ink but their conclusion

> in about what I am telling you here. Even so it is an interesting read.

 

Still relying on PCWorld for knowledge of compatible inks? They are a

real reliable source there Village Idiot. They are whores to their

advertisers and will lie to keep, or get more of, their advertising dollars.

> You cannot believe most of what you read here in favor of this type of

> ink as many are in the business or associated with someone who is in the

> ink or printer business and they will never tell the truth.

 

Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

> Still others do not have the discerning capacity to properly judge the

> results since they are blinding to what they believe are savings.

 

Since you have NEVER used compatible inks we know your above statement

is a load of crap. The world is wrong and you are right? Not so,

Village Idiot.

> So if you do not print a great deal the amount you do not spend on OEM

> ink will not be that much.

 

You're definition of "a great deal" is what exactly? I pay less than

$10 for a full set of compatible cartridges verses $55 for the same OEM

cartridges. Are you really too stupid to do the math for two, three,

five or ten sets of cartridges. Even a village idiot should be able to

figure the savings of using compatible ink verses OEM ink.

> Now Pantone (for the Epson) makes high quality aftermarket ink but you

> will find that it is expensive.

 

High cost is your only indicator of whether an ink is of high quality.

The printer manufacturers love people like you that are too stupid to

know when they are getting ripped off by them.

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

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Weasel.

 

Kinda like your new name, though. It's so... Well, it's just so you! It's

pretty close to being a perfect lie! I won't say it's totally a perfect lie.

Might make your ego expand so much as to make your head blow right off your

scrawny, gallows-bound neck.

 

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"L Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message

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> Crybaby.

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

says...

> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

 

I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

 

I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

 

I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

 

Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

printers.

 

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[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

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Darn! All that work and you beat me to it. Not word for word, but real

close.

 

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> says...

>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

>> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

>> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

>

> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

> with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

> work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

>

> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>

> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

> because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>

> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

> printers.

>

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> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

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[Guest Michael Johnson]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

Leythos wrote:

> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> says...

>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

>> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

>> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

>

> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

> with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

> work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

>

> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>

> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

> because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>

> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

> printers.

 

I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with

absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars

over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <1eudnfRbTMJjw-TVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> > says...

> >> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

> >> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

> >> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

> >

> > I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

> > with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

> > work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

> >

> > I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

> > trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

> >

> > I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

> > because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

> >

> > Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

> > laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

> > printers.

>

> I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with

> absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars

> over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

 

And that's good in your case, you would be one of the 50% that has not

seen problems in my experience.

 

Some people make out, others get screwed.

 

For people that don't value their time as money it's a good way to save

money, since time to resolve problems with ink is not an issue.

 

For businesses and others that value their time as money, the very real

risk is not worth the cost. If you take 1 hour to resolve a Ink problem

then you've spent more than you saved on that cartridge. The same goes

for toner for laser printers (color and B/W), not all toner is the same

quality and certainly not all is the same size particles.

 

So, for you, it works well, for others it doesn't, for others it's not

worth the possible headaches.

 

I've been printing for decades, all types of media, and once laser

printers became affordable to the masses I've never seen a reason to own

another ink printer, it costs more and is not near the quality.

 

 

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[Guest The Real Truth MVP]

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Wow! you have a really nice website http://grystmill.com/ Well done! looks

like something my dog made while crapping on your mothers foot after trying

to phuck her leg.

 

 

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> Weasel.

>

> Kinda like your new name, though. It's so... Well, it's just so you! It's

> pretty close to being a perfect lie! I won't say it's totally a perfect

> lie. Might make your ego expand so much as to make your head blow right

> off your scrawny, gallows-bound neck.

>

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>> Crybaby.

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

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It's doing its job. What's your excuse?

 

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"The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message

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> Wow! you have a really nice website http://grystmill.com/ Well done! looks

> like something my dog made while crapping on your mothers foot after

> trying to phuck her leg.

>

>

> --

> Ignore posts made by the person called Leythos, he is a stalker who's been

> obsessed with me for years ever since I spurned his advances towards me.

>

>

>

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:eMimYfI5IHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Weasel.

>>

>> Kinda like your new name, though. It's so... Well, it's just so you! It's

>> pretty close to being a perfect lie! I won't say it's totally a perfect

>> lie. Might make your ego expand so much as to make your head blow right

>> off your scrawny, gallows-bound neck.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "L Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message

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>>> Crybaby.

>>

>>

>

[Guest Michael Johnson]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

Leythos wrote:

> In article <1eudnfRbTMJjw-TVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

>>> says...

>>>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

>>>> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

>>>> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

>>> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

>>> with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

>>> work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

>>>

>>> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

>>> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>>>

>>> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

>>> because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>>>

>>> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

>>> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

>>> printers.

>> I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with

>> absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars

>> over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

>

> And that's good in your case, you would be one of the 50% that has not

> seen problems in my experience.

 

That percentage is much higher than 50% for those that take the time to

buy quality compatible ink and educate themselves about refilling

cartridges at home if they chose that route. Especially so for those

that use Canon inkjets as, IMO, they are the friendliest printers to run

when using compatible ink. I buy the cartridges pre-filled for added

convenience.

> Some people make out, others get screwed.

>

> For people that don't value their time as money it's a good way to save

> money, since time to resolve problems with ink is not an issue.

 

I don't have any more problems than I would using OEM ink. I take a

compatible cartridge out of its package and install it in the printer

and print. I would do the same with a high priced OEM cartridge.

> For businesses and others that value their time as money, the very real

> risk is not worth the cost. If you take 1 hour to resolve a Ink problem

> then you've spent more than you saved on that cartridge. The same goes

> for toner for laser printers (color and B/W), not all toner is the same

> quality and certainly not all is the same size particles.

 

I have a home office and use a Canon N2000 regularly for work prints.

It has compatible cartridges installed and I have never wasted a minute

dealing with problems from using them. Just as toner varies in quality

so does ink. Picking a good product is key for both types of printers

when using compatible inks and toner.

> So, for you, it works well, for others it doesn't, for others it's not

> worth the possible headaches.

 

I am not alone in my experience with compatible ink. I would peg the

percentage that has no problems at 90% for those that buy quality

pre-filled cartridges and somewhat lower for home refillers. Chosing a

good ink is key and they are plenty of web forums to find good

suppliers. A fantastic site to get great information on inkjet printers

and refilling at home is: http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

> I've been printing for decades, all types of media, and once laser

> printers became affordable to the masses I've never seen a reason to own

> another ink printer, it costs more and is not near the quality.

 

I've never seen a color laser print photos as good as an inkjet can.

For printing on plain paper a color laser is best by far. They both

have their uses. I pay $1.59 per cartridge for our Canon printers that

use BCI-6 carts so my printing costs is almost negligible when

considering the cost of the ink.

 

From what I have seen in the stores, and heard from owners, the cost of

OEM color laser toner cartridges are insanely high and many are shocked

when it comes time to replace the half filled ones that usually come in

the box with the printer. Just like with inkjets, many times it is more

economical to buy another printer than pay for the OEM replacement

cartridges.

[Guest measekite]

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Michael Johnson wrote:

> measekite wrote:

>>

>>

>> Michael Johnson wrote:

>>> Yianni wrote:

>>>>> Like I said the word compatible is an overused meanless word.

>>>>> There is not such thing.

>>>>

>>>> Do you have a better name, instead of compatibles?

>>>

>>> For the benefit of those that don't know, you should know that this

>>> guy is what I consider the village idiot of the printer newsgroups

>>> he frequents.

>>

>> Junior aka Jerk Junior because he cannot compete as bad as he is with

>> the Jerk Senior is one of those who does not like it when someone

>> tells the truth about non OEM ink. Who knows what he think of the

>> PCWorld article.

>

> Thanks for helping make my point about you being our village idiot.

> Continuing to use PCWorld as a source about ink quality further shows

> your stupidity.

 

Tell us all; Do you know why you are dumb? Do you have to work at it?

Now it is difficult to tell if you are a kid or an old fart.

 

 

Polly wanna cracker.

>

>>> He constantly drones on about how we should all be buying overpriced

>>> OEM ink cartridges and never shows any signs of intelligence on the

>>> matter. The only reason he can promote to support using OEM ink is

>>> fading

>> Read PCWorld you get better quality and lower fading.

>>> which has never proved a problem for those of us that uses

>>> compatible inks.

>>

>> These lies contradict the test results in PCWorld and Wilhelm Labs

>> both having more respect then this aftermarket shill.

>>> He has never used these inks himself but thinks he is an expert

>>> regarding them. Just realize that you're dealing with an idiot

>>

>> Hey Junior he sounds to me like he got your number.

>

> You will always be the village idiot.

>

>>> so don't expect a fruitful, intellectually stimulating interchange

>>> with him.

[Guest measekite]

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YOU ARE A STINKING LIAR. YOU PROMISED TO PUT ME IN YOUR FILTER FILE.

GAW HEAD MAKE MY DAY.

 

Michael Johnson wrote:

> measekite wrote:

>>

>>

>> Yianni wrote:

>>>> Like I said the word compatible is an overused meanless word.

>>>> There is not such thing.

>>>

>>> Do you have a better name, instead of compatibles?

>

> Let us dissect Village Idiot's reply.

>

>> Usually the crap in works in most of the printers. If you print

>> quite a bit then the risk of clogging is reduced but not to the point

>> of OEM ink. If you do not print much then you take your chances.

>> The ink quality is also below OEM and the risk of fading is much

>> higher. You spend less but in reality you do not save money because

>> you are not getting the same thing.

>

> All the above is patently untrue for nearly all quality compatible inks.

 

There is no such thing as compatible. It is true of most ink that is

not produced by the printer mfg.

> It definitely doesn't apply to the compatible ink I have used for

> years and will continue to use for many more. Village Idiot is too

> stupid

How did you get that way?

> to know that paying up to 10X the cost for replacement OEM ink

> cartridges is ALWAYS a money losing proposition for the consumer.

>

>> Almost all of the generic vendors will not tell you the maker of the

>> ink so it is difficult to track in the marketplace.

>

> Some do and some do not but in any event who cares? I don't because

> the ink I buy works as good as OEM ink. Knowing where it came from

> won't change this fact. Let's see what his next stupid point is....

>

>> PCWorld has an interesting article on this subject this month where

>> they even softpedaled the perils of the aftermarket ink but their

>> conclusion in about what I am telling you here. Even so it is an

>> interesting read.

>

> Still relying on PCWorld for knowledge of compatible inks? They are a

> real reliable source there Village Idiot. They are whores to their

> advertisers and will lie to keep, or get more of, their advertising

> dollars.

>

>> You cannot believe most of what you read here in favor of this type

>> of ink as many are in the business or associated with someone who is

>> in the ink or printer business and they will never tell the truth.

>

> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible

> inks have ZERO problems with them.

 

Stick around here and read all of the posts every day for a while and

you will see that all of those with problems use the wrong ink for their

printer. Do not listen to a fool.

> You are the only one that spews the "only buy OEM ink" garbage.

 

80 to 90% of all users who own printers use OEM ink. According to

Junior they are idiots.

> Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

>

>> Still others do not have the discerning capacity to properly judge

>> the results since they are blinding to what they believe are savings.

>

> Since you have NEVER used compatible inks we know your above statement

> is a load of crap. The world is wrong and you are right?

 

No the world is right and they use OEM ink.

> Not so, Village Idiot.

>

>> So if you do not print a great deal the amount you do not spend on

>> OEM ink will not be that much.

>

> You're definition of "a great deal" is what exactly? I pay less than

> $10 for a full set of compatible cartridges verses $55 for the same

> OEM cartridges. Are you really too stupid to do the math for two,

> three, five or ten sets of cartridges. Even a village idiot should be

> able to figure the savings of using compatible ink verses OEM ink.

>

>> Now Pantone (for the Epson) makes high quality aftermarket ink but

>> you will find that it is expensive.

>

> High cost is your only indicator of whether an ink is of high quality.

> The printer manufacturers love people like you that are too stupid to

> know when they are getting ripped off by them.

 

Tell us Junior what is wrong with Pantone?

[Guest measekite]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

 

 

Michael Johnson wrote:

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>,

>> cds@erols.com says...

>>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible

>>> inks have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews

>>> the "only buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the

>>> village idiot.

>>

>> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any

>> problems with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away

>> because they don't work properly after a month, and they are not out

>> of ink.

>>

>> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

>> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>>

>> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax

>> in because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>>

>> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

>> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with

>> ink printers.

>

> I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with

> absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars

> over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

 

Junior does not know there is no such thing as compatible. Junior does

not want to admit he only spent less money and saved nothing since he

did not get the same thing. He got lower quality prints and a higher

risk of fading. It has been proven by all professional testors.

 

This poster is either in the business or associated with someone who is

and is totally incompetent in his/her judgement.

[Guest measekite]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

 

 

Leythos wrote:

 

In article <1eudnfRbTMJjw-TVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com says...

 

 

 

Leythos wrote:

 

 

 

In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com says...

 

 

 

Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

 

 

 

I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink. I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of trouble with Epson and HP printer quality..... I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in because the vendor states it voids the warranty. Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink printers.

 

 

 

I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

 

 

 

And that's good in your case, you would be one of the 50% that has not seen problems in my experience. Some people make out, others get screwed. For people that don't value their time as money it's a good way to save money, since time to resolve problems with ink is not an issue. For businesses and others that value their time as money, the very real risk is not worth the cost. If you take 1 hour to resolve a Ink problem then you've spent more than you saved on that cartridge. The same goes for toner for laser printers (color and B/W), not all toner is the same quality and certainly not all is the same size particles. So, for you, it works well, for others it doesn't, for others it's not worth the possible headaches. I've been printing for decades, all types of media, and once laser printers became affordable to the masses I've never seen a reason to own another ink printer, it costs more and is not near the quality.

 

Laser does not produce as good a photo print as ink.

[Guest measekite]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

 

 

Michael Johnson wrote:

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <1eudnfRbTMJjw-TVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com>,

>> cds@erols.com says...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>,

>>>> cds@erols.com says...

>>>>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible

>>>>> inks have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that

>>>>> spews the "only buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed

>>>>> the village idiot.

>>>> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any

>>>> problems with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away

>>>> because they don't work properly after a month, and they are not

>>>> out of ink.

>>>>

>>>> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

>>>> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>>>>

>>>> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax

>>>> in because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>>>>

>>>> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to

>>>> color laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles

>>>> with ink printers.

>>> I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink

>>> with absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of

>>> dollars over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM

>>> ink.

>>

>> And that's good in your case, you would be one of the 50% that has

>> not seen problems in my experience.

>

> That percentage is much higher than 50% for those that take the time

> to buy quality compatible ink

There is not such thing.

> and educate themselves about refilling cartridges

What a pain and a big mess

> at home if they chose that route. Especially so for those that use

> Canon inkjets as, IMO, they are the friendliest printers to run when

> using compatible ink. I buy the cartridges pre-filled for added

> convenience.

prefilled with what? I know they will not tell you.

>

>> Some people make out, others get screwed.

>>

>> For people that don't value their time as money it's a good way to

>> save money, since time to resolve problems with ink is not an issue.

>

> I don't have any more problems than I would using OEM ink.

You certainly do. You have to go thru a mess and get a lower quality

print that has a higher risk of fading.

> I take a compatible cartridge out of its package and install it in

> the printer and print.

No you don;t. There is no such thing as compatible. You take some cart

out of some package and install it in the printer and accept what you get.

> I would do the same with a high priced OEM cartridge.

but the result would be different.

>

>> For businesses and others that value their time as money, the very

>> real risk is not worth the cost. If you take 1 hour to resolve a Ink

>> problem then you've spent more than you saved on that cartridge. The

>> same goes for toner for laser printers (color and B/W), not all toner

>> is the same quality and certainly not all is the same size particles.

>

> I have a home office and use a Canon N2000 regularly for work prints.

> It has compatible cartridges installed and I have never wasted a

> minute dealing with problems from using them.

You just cannot admit the truth.

> Just as toner varies in quality so does ink. Picking a good product

> is key for both types of printers when using compatible inks and toner.

>

>> So, for you, it works well, for others it doesn't, for others it's

>> not worth the possible headaches.

>

> I am not alone in my experience with compatible ink. I would peg the

> percentage that has no problems at 90%

more like 10%

> for those that buy quality pre-filled cartridges

there is none

> and somewhat lower for home refillers.

what a joke

> Chosing a good ink

you cannot do that since they will not tell you what they are selling so

it is almost impossible to make a good choice if there was such a thing.

> is key and they are plenty of web forums to find good suppliers.

The forums are filled with Jerks and Da Jerks friends and some of

Junior's friends.

> A fantastic site to get great information on inkjet printers and

> refilling at home is: http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

 

This is a cult of ink refillers. There are a couple of places to get

unbiased information:

 

PC World

PC Magazine

Wilhelm Labs

Luminious Landscape

 

so why listen to anybody here.

 

Do not listen to

 

The Jerk

or

Junior

or

even me for that matter. Goto respected resources.

>

>> I've been printing for decades, all types of media, and once laser

>> printers became affordable to the masses I've never seen a reason to

>> own another ink printer, it costs more and is not near the quality.

>

> I've never seen a color laser print photos as good as an inkjet can.

> For printing on plain paper a color laser is best by far. They both

> have their uses. I pay $1.59 per cartridge for our Canon printers

> that use BCI-6 carts so my printing costs is almost negligible when

> considering the cost of the ink.

>

> From what I have seen in the stores, and heard from owners, the cost

> of OEM color laser toner cartridges are insanely high and many are

> shocked when it comes time to replace the half filled ones that

> usually come in the box with the printer. Just like with inkjets,

> many times it is more economical to buy another printer than pay for

> the OEM replacement cartridges.

[Guest Arthur Entlich]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

No Gary, I'm not a lawyer, nor have I ever claimed to be one, but I am

researching a class action right now regarding anti-trust violations by

printer manufacturers.

 

In the US, the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act, and the 1914 Clayton Act both

speak to this, and since then, amended acts, including the

Robinson-Patman Act of 1936 and others later still address certain

aspects of this antitrust.

 

Europe has even more strict requirements when it comes to tying, and

they have also passed legislation that requires all toner and ink

cartridges to be refillable. They have the EU Antitrust Legislation of

2004 and more recent legislation.

 

Most printer manufacturers have indeed changed the wording of their

manuals or warranties so they no longer imply that using 3rd party ink

products voids their warranties, because they have lost court challenges

based upon anti-trust legislation. They now typically suggest use of

OEM product will provide the "best quality results" with their printers.

 

However, the area where the printer manufacturers have won a number of

decisions, some of which in appeal or still pending, is in regard to

patents of certain features of their cartridges. Due to the current

climate in the US regarding trade, several opinions have come down in

regard to protection of patent designs within printer cartridges,

particularly inkjet types. Some are being challenged, because the

manufacturers incorporated "features" into their printers which require

the patented designs to operate. The issue is if the features' intent

were to improve the product or to simply restrict fair and protected trade.

 

We may not see movement on this for some time to come, at least until a

change in government in the US. In the meantime, the EU legislation will

shortly be coming into effect regarding refilling of printer cartridges.

Some printer companies have "dealt" with this by regionalizing their

printers so that only certain cartridges will be recognized by certain

printers, based upon locale.

 

I certainly do suggest people read their warranty carefully, but they

should also take note that many, if not all warranties in the US, have a

disclaimer in them stating that some jurisdictions do not allow for the

restrictions they just stated, so best to also know your state law.

 

Oh, and BTW, Gary, although I don't advertise it in my signature:

 

MS MVP (5 years running) Used to be Windows Shell,

Now Printing and Imaging

 

Art

 

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,

I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

 

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> When you say, "in most countries", did you mean to include the United

> States? Can you suggest where I might find such language in the antitrust

> legislation of the United States? Or in court records of appeals?

>

> Your entire spiel is very general in terms. (I mean, I haven't read most

> manuals for printers these days. Have you?) I'd prefer to read the actual

> Warranty if it were me making the decision, and not depend on some vague

> description of regulations. You also say, "Since, in most cases, the defect

> is not related to the consumable..." It's the cases not included in that

> statement that concern me.

>

> OK, so come clean. You tried really hard to sound like a lawyer. Are you a

> real one? I'm guessing, "Not." But nice try.

>

[Guest Arthur Entlich]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

The operative phrase is "damage caused by...". The onus is on the

manufacturer to prove damage is caused by the use of the (in this case)

consumables. Since I haven't seen an inkjet printer yet that never

clogs on its own OEM ink, it would be difficult to support an argument

that 3rd party inks were "more damaging" to the printer than their own

licensed products.

 

I suppose if the ink contained a wrong formulation, such as

inappropriate solvents that actually did damage the heads, or some

measurable aspect to a 3rd party formulation that developed into a much

higher than normal failure rate, the manufacturer might have a

legitimate complaint, but it is not easy or cheap to prove. Since

inkjet printer heads and cartridges do tend to have a relatively high

level of failures and clogs, regardless of the ink used, the practice of

refusing a warranty claim based upon ink clogs is rare today. That

doesn't mean it will never happen, however. I just suggest that if it

were to, you have a reasonable argument to make should it.

 

Art

 

 

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,

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midwest_46@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Jul 11, 4:36�pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:

>> That is crap. �A printer mfg can withhold warranty services if the

>> offending ink caused the issue with their printer. �They state that in

>> their warranty as well. �Do not listen to the holy one. � Call up the

>> printer mfg tech support and ask them if they will honor a warranty if

>> the crap ink they used caused their printer to malfunction.

>>

>

> According to my printer's manual, "This warranty does not cover:

>

> 3. Damage caused by another device or software used with this Product

> (including but not limited to damage resulting from use of non Brother-

> brand parts and Consumable and Accessory items)"

>

>

>

>

>> The quality is lower and the ink fades

>> faster so either the mfg has to admit patent infringement or their

>> product is not the same.

>>

>

> So ink4less's imitations are crappy and bad?

>

[Guest Arthur Entlich]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

I think the part of this discussion that isn't as visible as it should

be is that many printer heads clog and cartridges fail which ARE OEM.

 

I have helped literally tens of thousands of people with their printer

issues, the vast majority of which are related to inkjet clogging. Most

people appear to be both honest and candid with me, since they know I

have no personal ax to grind on the OEM versus 3rd party issues and

because I do not represent any specific manufacturer.

 

In the inkjet printer lines, I mainly deal with Epson printer issues,

but also have a fair number of Canon, the occasional Brother, and lesser

so the Lexmark and HP printers, mainly because most HP and Lexmark

inkjet printers use replaceable heads which are integrated into the

cartridges.

 

Without a formal count, my overall experience is that both OEM and 3rd

party inks cause head clogs, and both have defective and failed

cartridges. Now, since there are counterfeit cartridges out there that

even the companies are unable to identify without dissection, I don't

know what percentage of people *thought* they were buying OEM who

actually ended up with knock-offs. The profit margin on ink cartridges

is so high, it is worthwhile for companies to make OEM counterfeits.

 

However, my correspondence shows no ink cartridges are immune from

causing head blockages and cartridge failures, OEM or 3rd party, and the

numbers are not skewed strongly one way or the other. When considering,

in some cases, the tremendous savings in buying refill inks or 3rd party

cartridges, and the risk factor being relatively flat, it is probably

worth the risk.

 

Also, some ink formulations just aren't available in OEM versions, and

so a 3rd party product is the only way to do certain types of printing.

 

Lastly, some inkjet cartridges have become difficult to locate in OEM

versions, due to the age of the printer.

 

 

Art

 

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,

I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

 

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

 

Leythos wrote:

> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> says...

>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

>> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

>> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

>

> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

> with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

> work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

>

> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>

> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

> because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>

> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

> printers.

>

[Guest Arthur Entlich]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

Neither color laser nor "solid ink" (wax) printing technologies yet

equal or surpass the quality even inexpensive inkjet printers can

produce. Both color laser and solid ink are improving all the time and

they are approaching inkjet quality, but they certainly aren't quite

there yet.

 

So, for artists and people producing fine art prints and photo-quality,

inkjet is still the best technology. That leaves a lot of people using

them.

 

I am interested however, if you ever use a refilled cartridge (either

locally refilled or refilled at a factory and sold as a refilled

cartridge), or refilled one yourself, or do you always buy OEM?

 

Also, are you aware most OEM laser cartridges have a disclaimer on them

indicating that some parts in the cartridges may have been refurbished

(reused from cartridges returned to the manufacturer after being empty).

 

Personally, the environmental considerations of things like inkjet and

laser cartridges makes me pleased that reuse has become a standard in

the industry for black laser cartridges, at least.

 

Hopefully, more will follow.

 

Art

 

 

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,

I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

 

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

 

Leythos wrote:

> In article <1eudnfRbTMJjw-TVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

>>> says...

>>>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

>>>> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

>>>> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

>>> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

>>> with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

>>> work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

>>>

>>> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

>>> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

>>>

>>> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

>>> because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

>>>

>>> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

>>> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

>>> printers.

>> I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with

>> absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars

>> over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

>

> And that's good in your case, you would be one of the 50% that has not

> seen problems in my experience.

>

> Some people make out, others get screwed.

>

> For people that don't value their time as money it's a good way to save

> money, since time to resolve problems with ink is not an issue.

>

> For businesses and others that value their time as money, the very real

> risk is not worth the cost. If you take 1 hour to resolve a Ink problem

> then you've spent more than you saved on that cartridge. The same goes

> for toner for laser printers (color and B/W), not all toner is the same

> quality and certainly not all is the same size particles.

>

> So, for you, it works well, for others it doesn't, for others it's not

> worth the possible headaches.

>

> I've been printing for decades, all types of media, and once laser

> printers became affordable to the masses I've never seen a reason to own

> another ink printer, it costs more and is not near the quality.

>

>

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <5Gdek.5211$cn7.950@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>, toidi@tpap.com

says...

> Ignore posts made by the person called Leythos, he is a stalker who's been

> obsessed with me for years ever since I spurned his advances towards me.

>

 

Do you really want to trust someone that was banned from posting

directly to Microsoft Usenet servers, someone that has posted links to

pornographic materials on HIS WEBSITE, who's website is in the MVP HOST

Block list, and who provides a tool for your use that will block access

to reputable anti-malware sites without telling you he's doing it?

 

And do you really want to trust someone that has had to change their

posting identity after being busted by MS as a fake MVP?

 

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[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <CJednTCCdIQDHeTVnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <1eudnfRbTMJjw-TVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> > says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <SsqdnWadWZIcyuTVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, cds@erols.com

> >>> says...

> >>>> Never mind the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that use compatible inks

> >>>> have ZERO problems with them. You are the only one that spews the "only

> >>>> buy OEM ink" garbage. Hence you have been dubbed the village idiot.

> >>> I know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and never have any problems

> >>> with it, but they also throw a lot of cartridges away because they don't

> >>> work properly after a month, and they are not out of ink.

> >>>

> >>> I also know a lot of people that buy non-OEM ink and have lots of

> >>> trouble with Epson and HP printer quality.....

> >>>

> >>> I have a wax-thermal printer that I would never put any non-OEM wax in

> >>> because the vendor states it voids the warranty.

> >>>

> >>> Personally, I've thrown out all Ink based printers and moved to color

> >>> laser printers or wax thermal printers because of the hassles with ink

> >>> printers.

> >> I have several Canon inkjet printers that all use compatible ink with

> >> absolutely no issues. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars

> >> over the past 3-4 years by not paying insane prices for OEM ink.

> >

> > And that's good in your case, you would be one of the 50% that has not

> > seen problems in my experience.

>

> That percentage is much higher than 50% for those that take the time to

> buy quality compatible ink and educate themselves about refilling

> cartridges at home if they chose that route. Especially so for those

> that use Canon inkjets as, IMO, they are the friendliest printers to run

> when using compatible ink. I buy the cartridges pre-filled for added

> convenience.

>

> > Some people make out, others get screwed.

> >

> > For people that don't value their time as money it's a good way to save

> > money, since time to resolve problems with ink is not an issue.

>

> I don't have any more problems than I would using OEM ink. I take a

> compatible cartridge out of its package and install it in the printer

> and print. I would do the same with a high priced OEM cartridge.

>

> > For businesses and others that value their time as money, the very real

> > risk is not worth the cost. If you take 1 hour to resolve a Ink problem

> > then you've spent more than you saved on that cartridge. The same goes

> > for toner for laser printers (color and B/W), not all toner is the same

> > quality and certainly not all is the same size particles.

>

> I have a home office and use a Canon N2000 regularly for work prints.

> It has compatible cartridges installed and I have never wasted a minute

> dealing with problems from using them. Just as toner varies in quality

> so does ink. Picking a good product is key for both types of printers

> when using compatible inks and toner.

>

> > So, for you, it works well, for others it doesn't, for others it's not

> > worth the possible headaches.

>

> I am not alone in my experience with compatible ink. I would peg the

> percentage that has no problems at 90% for those that buy quality

> pre-filled cartridges and somewhat lower for home refillers. Chosing a

> good ink is key and they are plenty of web forums to find good

> suppliers. A fantastic site to get great information on inkjet printers

> and refilling at home is: http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

>

> > I've been printing for decades, all types of media, and once laser

> > printers became affordable to the masses I've never seen a reason to own

> > another ink printer, it costs more and is not near the quality.

>

> I've never seen a color laser print photos as good as an inkjet can.

> For printing on plain paper a color laser is best by far. They both

> have their uses. I pay $1.59 per cartridge for our Canon printers that

> use BCI-6 carts so my printing costs is almost negligible when

> considering the cost of the ink.

>

> From what I have seen in the stores, and heard from owners, the cost of

> OEM color laser toner cartridges are insanely high and many are shocked

> when it comes time to replace the half filled ones that usually come in

> the box with the printer. Just like with inkjets, many times it is more

> economical to buy another printer than pay for the OEM replacement

> cartridges.

 

Your experience with "Cannon" is not enough for you to make the claim

that you are making. My experience is with customers all across the USA,

all brands of printers, all types of printing, etc.... I would say I

have experience with thousands of printers in the inkjet class, direct

experience with them, and that my statements stand for that experience.

 

Cannon has always been easy, but, "In my opinion" they don't have the

same picture quality as an Epson or a Phaser wax therman does, and it's

on par with the better color laser printers, but it's not the best.

 

As for cost, yes, toner does cost more than a ink cartridge, but you get

more pages, normally a LOT more pages. I've never been able to print a

ream of 8.5x11 paper with on set of ink cartridges, but I can print,

under our typical use, 5-6 before needing to change just the black toner

and normally, since we do spot color, not full page color, I can go

through several cases of paper before needing to change the $85 color

cartridge that is showing low (and the laser printers I buy have 4 toner

carts so that we don't waste money on replacing colors that are not

empty).

 

Until you've got experience with thousands of printers yourself, your

view, like mine, is just limited to your experience.

 

We're on the same page, just the level of experience is different and

I'm talking about more vendors print devices than you are.

 

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[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <Hclek.96536$gc5.79700@pd7urf2no>, e-printerhelp@mvps.org

says...

> In the inkjet printer lines, I mainly deal with Epson printer issues,

> but also have a fair number of Canon, the occasional Brother, and lesser

> so the Lexmark and HP printers, mainly because most HP and Lexmark

> inkjet printers use replaceable heads which are integrated into the

> cartridges.

>

> Without a formal count, my overall experience is that both OEM and 3rd

> party inks cause head clogs, and both have defective and failed

> cartridges. Now, since there are counterfeit cartridges out there that

> even the companies are unable to identify without dissection, I don't

> know what percentage of people *thought* they were buying OEM who

> actually ended up with knock-offs. The profit margin on ink cartridges

> is so high, it is worthwhile for companies to make OEM counterfeits.

 

And there lies the problem - people that have printers with print-heads

that are in the cartridge and those that have the head in the printer

itself.

 

My experience, since Epson was in the printer and not the cartridge, was

that non-epson ink was always a gamble, always a problem, be it

purchased third-party cartridges or third-party ink, it was always more

trouble than it was worth.

 

With HP, if the person didn't catch the printer cart before it went

empty they often had a nozzle that died/burned out and spent a lot of

time trying to get good print, wasting ink, etc....

 

Purchased replacement (non-vendor) carts would work most times, but,

they too presented problems more often than vendor specific carts, and

there was always the threat about warranty void if caught using third-

party carts/ink.

 

So, what it comes down to is that our experience shows different thing,

I don't have any connection to any ink-refill stores, companies, or

business where I have any vested interest at all. We did work for a

MAJOR in refiller a long time ago, and they gave me free toner, but

their refills were nowhere near the quality that my Lexmark 1200DPI

toner was.

 

I have a lot of friends that use Ink based printers, they always

complain about quantity of pages per change, mess, but how cheap their

printer was. The friends that have laser printers only complain when

it's time to purchase a new toner cartridge, but when you ask them how

many pages they got since they last purchased one, well, you get the

idea.

 

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[Guest Leythos]

Re: Can I buy cheap Brother printer cartridges at www.ink4less.com?

 

In article <znlek.96545$gc5.37741@pd7urf2no>, e-printerhelp@mvps.org

says...

> Neither color laser nor "solid ink" (wax) printing technologies yet

> equal or surpass the quality even inexpensive inkjet printers can

> produce. Both color laser and solid ink are improving all the time and

> they are approaching inkjet quality, but they certainly aren't quite

> there yet.

 

If I take an inkjet output, a wax thermal output, and a color laser

output and put them behind glass - people will pick the Wax one for best

quality 90% of the time, then the color laser and then the ink - in my

experience.

> So, for artists and people producing fine art prints and photo-quality,

> inkjet is still the best technology. That leaves a lot of people using

> them.

 

Like mine, yours in opinion. There are a LOT of color printers by a lot

of vendors, some make better color output then the others.

 

I like the color output of the OKI C5500, and my Phaser output is even

better than that.

> I am interested however, if you ever use a refilled cartridge (either

> locally refilled or refilled at a factory and sold as a refilled

> cartridge), or refilled one yourself, or do you always buy OEM?

 

I have, until a few years ago, used bottled Ink, carts from third

parties, and vendor carts, testing all types - Vendor carts always

present less problems in my experience.

> Also, are you aware most OEM laser cartridges have a disclaimer on them

> indicating that some parts in the cartridges may have been refurbished

> (reused from cartridges returned to the manufacturer after being empty).

 

Yes, and are you aware that it's covered under warranty by the vendor if

there is a problem.

 

Have you ever tried to get a third-party to replace cartridges, laser or

ink, that failed before their expected time? Most places like HP or Oki

or Lexmark will just send you a replacement without any hassle -

refillers make you jump through hoops many times.

 

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