Guest Jim Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a dead alvin.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default in Win98.) Do you have a TV tuner card installed? Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com? -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Jim wrote: > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this > webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a > dead alvin.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Google is your friend, -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used WebTV. > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this > webTV component in MSIEv.6? I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but common sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 or even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default in a normal Win98 setup. >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a > dead alvin. Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated. Uninstall it. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com
Guest Jim Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: webTV adapter I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, This was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in hope of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is it necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status of WebTV and where is it going today? "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default in > Win98.) > > Do you have a TV tuner card installed? > > Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com? > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > > Jim wrote: > > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > > > > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in > > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this > > webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the > > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for > > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a > > dead alvin. >
Guest Jim Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: webTV adapter This was an interesting idea for the home user who did not require the computing power of some of the pc's at the time and if they did, possibly use a server based systems computing abilities. Yes, Google has some good information about the history and current state of webtv. I think it is win98se and was bundled with the Wavetop technology that the PBS media was broadcasting in the valleys of its broadcast range. You say Vista is unrelated, but the big push of U-Verse out of SBC/ATT and MSNTV which is essentially webTV development program in today's world. U-Verse should be operational by August/Septemeber of 2008. Why the enhanced video/TV drivers for Vista? You think I should uninstall this adapter; will it be needed in the future for some of these up coming media developments? I guess I should since I can always reinstall. Is there any services for webTV for win98se currently operating? tia "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:u6plGe44IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > Google is your friend, > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > > Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used WebTV. > > > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in > > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this > > webTV component in MSIEv.6? > > I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but common > sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 or > even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default in a > normal Win98 setup. > > >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the > > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for > > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a > > dead alvin. > > Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated. > > Uninstall it. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > >
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Re: webTV adapter The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed by default. Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included in Win98). A TV tuner card can have two functions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have no idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth squat). Jim wrote: > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. > > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, > This > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in > hope > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is > it > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status > of > WebTV and where is it going today? > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default >> in >> Win98.) >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com? >> -- >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >> >> Jim wrote: >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter >>> in >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary >>> for >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like >>> a >>> dead alvin.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Read PA's last reply to you. One version of MSN TV (tv.msn.com, not msntv.com) provides TV via the internet. It requires no television input. WebTV/MSNTV.com are not WebTV as seen in Windows 98. Rather, they provide internet via the television, with no PC involved, maybe not even any Windows involved. WebTV, as it occurs in Windows 98 is more like U-Verse than anything else, but they are TOTALLY unrelated. (If MS had anything to do with U-Verse, you can bet MS would make sure that it gets prominent mention in ATT's U-Verse advertising.) The video rendering improvements in Vista, whatever they consists of, are intended to make ANY video signal, regardless of it's provenance, render better (TV input, DVD or BlueRay video, including Hi Def, etc.), but AFAIK it is strictly a hardware/signal processing thing and has NOTHING to do with any of the other things you've injected into the conversation. The device in your Windows 98 that you've been asking about is totally worthless. The whole application is totally worthless. There is no way to even use it any more. It's obsolete, totally dead. It even lost its own URL, for crying out loud. Just try the link in this ResKit article, http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part2/wrkc13.mspx That site no longer has anything to do with Win98's WebTV. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:O7zQzE54IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > This was an interesting idea for the home user who did not require the > computing power of some of the pc's at the time and if they did, possibly > use a server based systems computing abilities. > > Yes, Google has some good information about the history and current state > of > webtv. > > I think it is win98se and was bundled with the Wavetop technology that the > PBS media was broadcasting in the valleys of its broadcast range. > > You say Vista is unrelated, but the big push of U-Verse out of SBC/ATT and > MSNTV which is essentially webTV development program in today's world. > U-Verse should be operational by August/Septemeber of 2008. Why the > enhanced > video/TV drivers for Vista? > > You think I should uninstall this adapter; will it be needed in the > future > for some of these up coming media developments? > I guess I should since I can always reinstall. Is there any services for > webTV for win98se currently operating? > tia > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:u6plGe44IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> Google is your friend, >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >> news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a >> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> >> Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used > WebTV. >> >> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter > in >> > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this >> > webTV component in MSIEv.6? >> >> I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but >> common >> sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 >> or >> even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default >> in > a >> normal Win98 setup. >> >> >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the >> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary > for >> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on >> > like > a >> > dead alvin. >> >> Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated. >> >> Uninstall it. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> >> > >
Guest Jim Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to take care of. I initially said; First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a response from another tinker out there. Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this week. "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed by > default. > > Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com > (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included in > Win98). > > A TV tuner card can have two functions: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card > > The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have no > idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's been > available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth squat). > > > Jim wrote: > > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the > > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. > > > > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, > > This > > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with > > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in > > hope > > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is > > it > > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status > > of > > WebTV and where is it going today? > > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default > >> in > >> Win98.) > >> > >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? > >> > >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com? > >> -- > >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > >> > >> Jim wrote: > >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > >>> > >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter > >>> in > >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this > >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the > >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary > >>> for > >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like > >>> a > >>> dead alvin. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to > take care of. I initially said; > > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a > response from another tinker out there. > > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this > week. > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed > by >> default. >> >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included > in >> Win98). >> >> A TV tuner card can have two functions: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card >> >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have >> no >> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's > been >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth > squat). >> >> >> Jim wrote: >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. >> > >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, >> > This >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea > with >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in >> > hope >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. >> > Is >> > it >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the > status >> > of >> > WebTV and where is it going today? >> > >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by > default >> >> in >> >> Win98.) >> >> >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? >> >> >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with >> >> http://www.webtv.com? >> >> -- >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >> >> >> >> Jim wrote: >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get > a >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> >>> >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video >> >>> adapter >> >>> in >> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of > this >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance > the >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter >> >>> necessary >> >>> for >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on > like >> >>> a >> >>> dead alvin. >> > >
Guest Jim Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Thanks Gary, btw here is an good article on the media services at Microsoft aka once the WebTV program it is very good and current: http://www.itvt.com/wvialitvtissue-7.91.html Shari Barnett heads the Mediaroom at Microsoft. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to > > take care of. I initially said; > > > > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > > > > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a > > response from another tinker out there. > > > > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this > > week. > > > > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed > > by > >> default. > >> > >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com > >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included > > in > >> Win98). > >> > >> A TV tuner card can have two functions: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card > >> > >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have > >> no > >> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's > > been > >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth > > squat). > >> > >> > >> Jim wrote: > >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the > >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. > >> > > >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, > >> > This > >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea > > with > >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in > >> > hope > >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. > >> > Is > >> > it > >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the > > status > >> > of > >> > WebTV and where is it going today? > >> > > >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by > > default > >> >> in > >> >> Win98.) > >> >> > >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? > >> >> > >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with > >> >> http://www.webtv.com? > >> >> -- > >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > >> >> > >> >> Jim wrote: > >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get > > a > >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > >> >>> > >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video > >> >>> adapter > >> >>> in > >> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of > > this > >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance > > the > >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter > >> >>> necessary > >> >>> for > >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on > > like > >> >>> a > >> >>> dead alvin. > >> > > > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to >> take care of. I initially said; >> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a >> response from another tinker out there. >> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this >> week. >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed >> by >>> default. >>> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included >> in >>> Win98). >>> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card >>> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have >>> no >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's >> been >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth >> squat). >>> >>> >>> Jim wrote: >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of >>> > the >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. >>> > >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, >>> > This >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea >> with >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in >>> > hope >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. >>> > Is >>> > it >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the >> status >>> > of >>> > WebTV and where is it going today? >>> > >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by >> default >>> >> in >>> >> Win98.) >>> >> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? >>> >> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with >>> >> http://www.webtv.com? >>> >> -- >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >>> >> >>> >> Jim wrote: >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not >>> >>> get >> a >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video >>> >>> adapter >>> >>> in >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of >> this >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance >> the >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter >>> >>> necessary >>> >>> for >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on >> like >>> >>> a >>> >>> dead alvin. >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter That's outside of my sphere of competence, or interest, for that matter. I just wanted to answer your puzzling question. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:uQAtRmR6IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Thanks Gary, btw here is an good article on the media services at > Microsoft > aka once the WebTV program it is very good and current: > http://www.itvt.com/wvialitvtissue-7.91.html > Shari Barnett heads the Mediaroom at Microsoft. > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz >> > to >> > take care of. I initially said; >> > >> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a >> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> > >> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a >> > response from another tinker out there. >> > >> > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region > this >> > week. >> > >> > >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not > installed >> > by >> >> default. >> >> >> >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with > http://www.webtv.com >> >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV > included >> > in >> >> Win98). >> >> >> >> A TV tuner card can have two functions: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card >> >> >> >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I >> >> have >> >> no >> >> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's >> > been >> >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth >> > squat). >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim wrote: >> >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of > the >> >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. >> >> > >> >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it > connected, >> >> > This >> >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea >> > with >> >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine > in >> >> > hope >> >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components >> >> > list. >> >> > Is >> >> > it >> >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the >> > status >> >> > of >> >> > WebTV and where is it going today? >> >> > >> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by >> > default >> >> >> in >> >> >> Win98.) >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with >> >> >> http://www.webtv.com? >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >> >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >> >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim wrote: >> >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not > get >> > a >> >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video >> >> >>> adapter >> >> >>> in >> >> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of >> > this >> >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to >> >> >>> enhance >> > the >> >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter >> >> >>> necessary >> >> >>> for >> >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang >> >> >>> on >> > like >> >> >>> a >> >> >>> dead alvin. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter The threads cannot be merged. Jim wrote: <snip> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a > response from another tinker out there. <snip>
Guest Jim Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a weekly bases an now daily. Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world? "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the > two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the > WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no > relation to http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that > URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is > useless. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. > > > > -- > > Gary S. Terhune > > MS-MVP Shell/User > > http://grystmill.com > > > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to > >> take care of. I initially said; > >> > >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a > >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > >> > >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a > >> response from another tinker out there. > >> > >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this > >> week. > >> > >> > >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed > >> by > >>> default. > >>> > >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com > >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included > >> in > >>> Win98). > >>> > >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions: > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card > >>> > >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have > >>> no > >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's > >> been > >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth > >> squat). > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim wrote: > >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of > >>> > the > >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. > >>> > > >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, > >>> > This > >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea > >> with > >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in > >>> > hope > >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. > >>> > Is > >>> > it > >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the > >> status > >>> > of > >>> > WebTV and where is it going today? > >>> > > >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by > >> default > >>> >> in > >>> >> Win98.) > >>> >> > >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? > >>> >> > >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with > >>> >> http://www.webtv.com? > >>> >> -- > >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > >>> >> > >>> >> Jim wrote: > >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not > >>> >>> get > >> a > >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video > >>> >>> adapter > >>> >>> in > >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of > >> this > >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance > >> the > >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter > >>> >>> necessary > >>> >>> for > >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on > >> like > >>> >>> a > >>> >>> dead alvin. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >
Guest Jim Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: webTV adapter It is working, but only for Gary and me. He replied and add it to the NG list. I do see that button there and should have tried that myself and will on this one reply. I don't know if the other guy figure it out though on webtv NG. :) <g> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%234ixMKS6IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > The threads cannot be merged. > > Jim wrote: > <snip> > > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a > > response from another tinker out there. > <snip>
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Re: webTV adapter I'm not much into it, as I said, but the certainly sell such cards, with all kinds of connectors. People can edit their own videos and play them on the 30' giant-wall-sized "tv" monitor, or use the computer as a TIVO decide, or whatever. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=video+card+tv -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23l7eULS6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were switching from > Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to download every week > or so and when the ISP's began to offer the TV/Movie guide for all > channels > in your area e.g. by zip code this idea went by the wayside. It really > needed to update itself on a weekly bases an now daily. > > Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly because the > consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want to buy the TV > tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many were lucky if they > had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp etc. It is a struggle to > keep pace for some of us or to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for > the > TV Tuner card in today's world? > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the >> two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the >> WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has > no >> relation to http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that >> URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is >> useless. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. >> > >> > -- >> > Gary S. Terhune >> > MS-MVP Shell/User >> > http://grystmill.com >> > >> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz > to >> >> take care of. I initially said; >> >> >> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get >> >> a >> >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> >> >> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a >> >> response from another tinker out there. >> >> >> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region > this >> >> week. >> >> >> >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not > installed >> >> by >> >>> default. >> >>> >> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with > http://www.webtv.com >> >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV > included >> >> in >> >>> Win98). >> >>> >> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions: >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card >> >>> >> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I > have >> >>> no >> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that >> >>> it's >> >> been >> >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth >> >> squat). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Jim wrote: >> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of >> >>> > the >> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com. >> >>> > >> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it > connected, >> >>> > This >> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat >> >>> > idea >> >> with >> >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine > in >> >>> > hope >> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components > list. >> >>> > Is >> >>> > it >> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the >> >> status >> >>> > of >> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today? >> >>> > >> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by >> >> default >> >>> >> in >> >>> >> Win98.) >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with >> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com? >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >> >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Jim wrote: >> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not >> >>> >>> get >> >> a >> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video >> >>> >>> adapter >> >>> >>> in >> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install >> >>> >>> of >> >> this >> >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to > enhance >> >> the >> >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter >> >>> >>> necessary >> >>> >>> for >> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang > on >> >> like >> >>> >>> a >> >>> >>> dead alvin. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Re: webTV adapter You're wrong, what I did did not meld the two threads. It just made this one visible in both NGs. Why don't we just leave this in the WebTV group. It's not like you're having problems or anything, you just want to engage in a discussion of the technology... But I don't see anyone in the Win98.General Discussion group that shares your interest. Your technical question has been answered. Win98 WebTV is dead and obsolete and as far as I know can't be used for anything. Replies to this post should only go to the WebTV group. (Unless I've forgotten what "Followup-to" does.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:OWD2YWS6IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > It is working, but only for Gary and me. He replied and add it to the NG > list. I do see that button there and should have tried that myself and > will > on this one reply. I don't know if the other guy figure it out though on > webtv NG. :) <g> > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:%234ixMKS6IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> The threads cannot be merged. >> >> Jim wrote: >> <snip> >> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a >> > response from another tinker out there. >> <snip> > >
Guest PCR Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Jim wrote: | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to | download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a | weekly bases an now daily. | | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want | to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many | were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp | etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the | ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world? If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a monster log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called "Wavehelper Class" which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling Wavetop doesn't rid you of the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that will... http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can "undo" that. http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & can "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one? http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/ HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its instructions & cautions carefully. | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA |> Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to http://www.webtv.com, |> even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98 |> is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless. |> |> -- |> Gary S. Terhune |> MS-MVP Shell/User |> http://grystmill.com |> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. |> > |> > -- |> > Gary S. Terhune |> > MS-MVP Shell/User |> > http://grystmill.com |> > |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other |> >> biz to take care of. I initially said; |> >> |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not |> >> get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. |> >> |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally |> >> got a response from another tinker out there. |> >> |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this |> >> region this week. |> >> |> >> |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not |> >>> installed by default. |> >>> |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with |> >>> http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98). |> >>> |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions: |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card |> >>> |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. |> >>> I have no |> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it |> >>> didn't work worth squat). |> >>> |> >>> |> >>> Jim wrote: |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not |> >>> > aware of the |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of |> >>> > http://www.webtv.com. |> >>> > |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it |> >>> > connected, This |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented |> >>> > this on this machine in hope |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network |> >>> > components list. Is |> >>> > it |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is |> >>> > the status of |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today? |> >>> > |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed |> >>> >> by default in |> >>> >> Win98.) |> >>> >> |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? |> >>> >> |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with |> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com? |> >>> >> -- |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since |> >>> >> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |> >>> >> |> >>> >> Jim wrote: |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I |> >>> >>> did not get |> >> a |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. |> >>> >>> |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter |> >>> >>> in |> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system |> >>> >>> is supposed to enhance the video experience with more |> >>> >>> advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary |> >>> >>> for |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just |> >>> >>> hang on like a |> >>> >>> dead alvin. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Jim Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Hi, thanks for sharing that with us. I found that BHO in HJT but had decided to leave it. I note the & "UNDO IT". Are you implying that there are problems with using HJT to "Fix it" in the event that the user might want to reinstall Wavetop? Is there any use for this technology anymore? If I use HJT to fix this problem there is backup. If I decided for some reason to reinstall Wavetop or any part of WebTV98 [because of its broadcast architecture]; will using HJT cause me to have to reinstate that particular backup? I found "Logit.txt" also. "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:O8SEHBg6IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Jim wrote: > | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were > | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to > | download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the > | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this > | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a > | weekly bases an now daily. > | > | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly > | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want > | to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many > | were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp > | etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the > | ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world? > > If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named > "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a monster > log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called "Wavehelper Class" > which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling Wavetop doesn't rid you of > the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that will... > > http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon > This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can > "undo" that. > > http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & can > "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one? > > http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/ > HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its > instructions & cautions carefully. > > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to > |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the > |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA > |> Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to http://www.webtv.com, > |> even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98 > |> is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless. > |> > |> -- > |> Gary S. Terhune > |> MS-MVP Shell/User > |> http://grystmill.com > |> > |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. > |> > > |> > -- > |> > Gary S. Terhune > |> > MS-MVP Shell/User > |> > http://grystmill.com > |> > > |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other > |> >> biz to take care of. I initially said; > |> >> > |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not > |> >> get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > |> >> > |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally > |> >> got a response from another tinker out there. > |> >> > |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this > |> >> region this week. > |> >> > |> >> > |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not > |> >>> installed by default. > |> >>> > |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with > |> >>> http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the > |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98). > |> >>> > |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions: > |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card > |> >>> > |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. > |> >>> I have no > |> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact > |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it > |> >>> didn't work worth squat). > |> >>> > |> >>> > |> >>> Jim wrote: > |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not > |> >>> > aware of the > |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of > |> >>> > http://www.webtv.com. > |> >>> > > |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it > |> >>> > connected, This > |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a > |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented > |> >>> > this on this machine in hope > |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network > |> >>> > components list. Is > |> >>> > it > |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is > |> >>> > the status of > |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today? > |> >>> > > |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed > |> >>> >> by default in > |> >>> >> Win98.) > |> >>> >> > |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? > |> >>> >> > |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with > |> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com? > |> >>> >> -- > |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since > |> >>> >> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > |> >>> >> > |> >>> >> Jim wrote: > |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I > |> >>> >>> did not get > |> >> a > |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. > |> >>> >>> > |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS > |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter > |> >>> >>> in > |> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an > |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system > |> >>> >>> is supposed to enhance the video experience with more > |> >>> >>> advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary > |> >>> >>> for > |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just > |> >>> >>> hang on like a > |> >>> >>> dead alvin. > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest PCR Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Jim wrote: | Hi, thanks for sharing that with us. | I found that BHO in HJT but had decided to leave it. I note the & | "UNDO IT". Are you implying that there are problems with using HJT to | "Fix it" in the event that the user might want to reinstall Wavetop? | Is there any use for this technology anymore? If I use HJT to fix | this problem there is backup. If I decided for some reason to | reinstall Wavetop or any part of WebTV98 [because of its broadcast | architecture]; will using HJT cause me to have to reinstate that | particular backup? | I found "Logit.txt" also. What is the date of your Logit.txt? Is it continuing to fill uncontrollably with error messages like mine was? If so, removing the BHO will solve that. It has never caused me a problem to have done that that I can detect or recollect. I'm not sure whether it was Explorer or IE that was putting the error messages in there, but probably it was IE (Wavetop is one of its Favorites). Open both to see whether Logit.txt will grow. Wavetop appears to do with that WEB TV the others are saying is defunct... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/232285/en-us WaveTop 2.0 May Not Detect TV Tuner Card Other than that, I really can't say whether you will ever need it or whether reinstalling Wavetop will reinstall the BHO. Uninstalling Wavetop, however, did not uninstall the BHO; so... ???. If your Logit.txt is not filled with error messages or doesn't continue to grow, I guess you can probably keep the BHO, though-- IF you are squeamish about killing it. | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:O8SEHBg6IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> Jim wrote: |> | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were |> | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had |> | to download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the |> | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this |> | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a |> | weekly bases an now daily. |> | |> | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly |> | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not |> | want to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, |> | so many were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill |> | and then xp etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or |> | to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in |> | today's world? |> |> If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named |> "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a |> monster log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called |> "Wavehelper Class" which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling |> Wavetop doesn't rid you of the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that |> will... |> |> http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon |> This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can |> "undo" that. |> |> http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & |> can "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one? |> |> http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/ |> HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its |> instructions & cautions carefully. |> |> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message |> | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to |> |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the |> |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as |> |> PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to |> |> http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. |> |> WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is |> |> useless. |> |> |> |> -- |> |> Gary S. Terhune |> |> MS-MVP Shell/User |> |> http://grystmill.com |> |> |> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message |> |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on. |> |> > |> |> > -- |> |> > Gary S. Terhune |> |> > MS-MVP Shell/User |> |> > http://grystmill.com |> |> > |> |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message |> |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and |> |> >> other biz to take care of. I initially said; |> |> >> |> |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did |> |> >> not get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. |> |> >> |> |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally |> |> >> got a response from another tinker out there. |> |> >> |> |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this |> |> >> region this week. |> |> >> |> |> >> |> |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message |> |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not |> |> >>> installed by default. |> |> >>> |> |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with |> |> >>> http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the |> |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98). |> |> >>> |> |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions: |> |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card |> |> >>> |> |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or |> |> >>> higher. I have no |> |> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact |> |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and |> |> >>> it didn't work worth squat). |> |> >>> |> |> >>> |> |> >>> Jim wrote: |> |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not |> |> >>> > aware of the |> |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of |> |> >>> > http://www.webtv.com. |> |> >>> > |> |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it |> |> >>> > connected, This |> |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a |> |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also |> |> >>> > implemented this on this machine in hope |> |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network |> |> >>> > components list. Is |> |> >>> > it |> |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What |> |> >>> > is the status of |> |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today? |> |> >>> > |> |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message |> |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not |> |> >>> >> installed by default in |> |> >>> >> Win98.) |> |> >>> >> |> |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed? |> |> >>> >> |> |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with |> |> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com? |> |> >>> >> -- |> |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) |> |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - |> |> >>> >> since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net |> |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |> |> >>> >> |> |> >>> >> Jim wrote: |> |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I |> |> >>> >>> did not get |> |> >> a |> |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv. |> |> >>> >>> |> |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS |> |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter |> |> >>> >>> in |> |> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an |> |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista |> |> >>> >>> system is supposed to enhance the video experience with |> |> >>> >>> more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary |> |> >>> >>> for |> |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to |> |> >>> >>> just hang on like a |> |> >>> >>> dead alvin. |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Jim Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the future if I have any need of it. Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
Guest PCR Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Jim wrote: | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the | future if I have any need of it. Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another hibernation. | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place, anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be useful. Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: webTV adapter What's a Wave Phor? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Jim wrote: > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that > | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the > | future if I have any need of it. > > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the > MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune > has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another > hibernation. > > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back > | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? > > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that > ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows > 98 Open Broadcast Architecture > > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't > have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place, > anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for > anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo > to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be > useful. > > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention > Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! > > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Jim Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many others. The original internet users being computer scientists and engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication and assurance. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > What's a Wave Phor? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > Jim wrote: > > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current > > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that > > | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the > > | future if I have any need of it. > > > > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the > > MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune > > has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another > > hibernation. > > > > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back > > | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a > > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? > > > > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that > > ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx > > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 > > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows > > 98 Open Broadcast Architecture > > > > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't > > have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place, > > anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for > > anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo > > to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be > > useful. > > > > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention > > Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! > > > > > > -- > > Thanks or Good Luck, > > There may be humor in this post, and, > > Naturally, you will not sue, > > Should things get worse after this, > > PCR > > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > > > > >
Guest PCR Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Jim wrote: | Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a | system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical | blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast | band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to | thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content | of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of | the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the | ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see. | Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many | others. The original internet users being computer scientists and | engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication | and assurance. Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out! Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question! That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna & possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> What's a Wave Phor? |> |> -- |> Gary S. Terhune |> MS-MVP Shell/User |> http://grystmill.com |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> > Jim wrote: |> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current |> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe |> > | that removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any |> > | problem in the future if I have any need of it. |> > |> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of |> > the MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, |> > unless Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear |> > entered another hibernation. |> > |> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the |> > | back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a |> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? |> > |> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article |> > that ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... |> > |> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx |> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 |> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of |> > Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture |> > |> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you |> > don't have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first |> > place, anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are |> > useful for anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use |> > HiJackThis's undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the |> > part you discover to be useful. |> > |> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still |> > mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! |> > |> > |> > -- |> > Thanks or Good Luck, |> > There may be humor in this post, and, |> > Naturally, you will not sue, |> > Should things get worse after this, |> > PCR |> > pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
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