webTV adapter

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

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> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used WebTV.

> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in

> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this

> webTV component in MSIEv.6?

I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but common

sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 or

even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default in a

normal Win98 setup.

>The Vista system is supposed to enhance the

> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for

> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a

> dead alvin.

Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated.

Uninstall it.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

July 11, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the

relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, This

was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with

minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in hope

of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is it

necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status of

WebTV and where is it going today?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default

in

> Win98.)

>

> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

>

> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com?

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>

> Jim wrote:

> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> >

> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter

in

> > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this

> > webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the

> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

for

> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like

a

> > dead alvin.

>

July 11, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

This was an interesting idea for the home user who did not require the

computing power of some of the pc's at the time and if they did, possibly

use a server based systems computing abilities.

Yes, Google has some good information about the history and current state of

webtv.

I think it is win98se and was bundled with the Wavetop technology that the

PBS media was broadcasting in the valleys of its broadcast range.

You say Vista is unrelated, but the big push of U-Verse out of SBC/ATT and

MSNTV which is essentially webTV development program in today's world.

U-Verse should be operational by August/Septemeber of 2008. Why the enhanced

video/TV drivers for Vista?

You think I should uninstall this adapter; will it be needed in the future

for some of these up coming media developments?

I guess I should since I can always reinstall. Is there any services for

webTV for win98se currently operating?

tia

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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>

> Google is your friend,

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>

> Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used

WebTV.

>

> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter

in

> > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this

> > webTV component in MSIEv.6?

>

> I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but common

> sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 or

> even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default in

a

> normal Win98 setup.

>

> >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the

> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

for

> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like

a

> > dead alvin.

>

> Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated.

>

> Uninstall it.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

>

July 11, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed by

default.

Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com

(which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included in

Win98).

A TV tuner card can have two functions:

The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have no

idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's been

available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth squat).

Jim wrote:

> I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the

> relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

>

> I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,

> This

> was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with

> minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in

> hope

> of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is

> it

> necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status

> of

> WebTV and where is it going today?

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default

>> in

>> Win98.)

>>

>> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

>>

>> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com?

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>

>> Jim wrote:

>>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

>>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>>>

>>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter

>>> in

>>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this

>>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the

>>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

>>> for

>>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like

>>> a

>>> dead alvin.

July 12, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Read PA's last reply to you.

One version of MSN TV (tv.msn.com, not msntv.com) provides TV via the

internet. It requires no television input. WebTV/MSNTV.com are not WebTV as

seen in Windows 98. Rather, they provide internet via the television, with

no PC involved, maybe not even any Windows involved. WebTV, as it occurs in

Windows 98 is more like U-Verse than anything else, but they are TOTALLY

unrelated. (If MS had anything to do with U-Verse, you can bet MS would make

sure that it gets prominent mention in ATT's U-Verse advertising.)

The video rendering improvements in Vista, whatever they consists of, are

intended to make ANY video signal, regardless of it's provenance, render

better (TV input, DVD or BlueRay video, including Hi Def, etc.), but AFAIK

it is strictly a hardware/signal processing thing and has NOTHING to do with

any of the other things you've injected into the conversation.

The device in your Windows 98 that you've been asking about is totally

worthless. The whole application is totally worthless. There is no way to

even use it any more. It's obsolete, totally dead. It even lost its own URL,

for crying out loud. Just try the link in this ResKit article,

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part2/wrkc13.mspx

That site no longer has anything to do with Win98's WebTV.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

news:O7zQzE54IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> This was an interesting idea for the home user who did not require the

> computing power of some of the pc's at the time and if they did, possibly

> use a server based systems computing abilities.

>

> Yes, Google has some good information about the history and current state

> of

> webtv.

>

> I think it is win98se and was bundled with the Wavetop technology that the

> PBS media was broadcasting in the valleys of its broadcast range.

>

> You say Vista is unrelated, but the big push of U-Verse out of SBC/ATT and

> MSNTV which is essentially webTV development program in today's world.

> U-Verse should be operational by August/Septemeber of 2008. Why the

> enhanced

> video/TV drivers for Vista?

>

> You think I should uninstall this adapter; will it be needed in the

> future

> for some of these up coming media developments?

> I guess I should since I can always reinstall. Is there any services for

> webTV for win98se currently operating?

> tia

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:u6plGe44IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> Google is your friend,

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

>> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>>

>> Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used

> WebTV.

>>

>> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter

> in

>> > the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of this

>> > webTV component in MSIEv.6?

>>

>> I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but

>> common

>> sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95

>> or

>> even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default

>> in

> a

>> normal Win98 setup.

>>

>> >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the

>> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

> for

>> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on

>> > like

> a

>> > dead alvin.

>>

>> Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated.

>>

>> Uninstall it.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

>>

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to

take care of. I initially said;

First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

response from another tinker out there.

Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this

week.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed

by

> default.

>

> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com

> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included

in

> Win98).

>

> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

>

> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have no

> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's

been

> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

squat).

>

> Jim wrote:

> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the

> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

> >

> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,

> > This

> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea

with

> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in

> > hope

> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is

> > it

> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

status

> > of

> > WebTV and where is it going today?

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

default

> >> in

> >> Win98.)

> >>

> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

> >>

> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with http://www.webtv.com?

> >> --

> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >>

> >> Jim wrote:

> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get

a

> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> >>>

> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter

> >>> in

> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of

this

> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance

the

> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

> >>> for

> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on

like

> >>> a

> >>> dead alvin.

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to

> take care of. I initially said;

>

> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>

> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

> response from another tinker out there.

>

> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this

> week.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed

> by

>> default.

>>

>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com

>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included

> in

>> Win98).

>>

>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

>>

>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have

>> no

>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's

> been

>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

> squat).

>>

>> Jim wrote:

>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the

>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

>> >

>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,

>> > This

>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea

> with

>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in

>> > hope

>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list.

>> > Is

>> > it

>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

> status

>> > of

>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

>> >

>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

> default

>> >> in

>> >> Win98.)

>> >>

>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

>> >>

>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

>> >> --

>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>> >>

>> >> Jim wrote:

>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get

> a

>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>> >>>

>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video

>> >>> adapter

>> >>> in

>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of

> this

>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance

> the

>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter

>> >>> necessary

>> >>> for

>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on

> like

>> >>> a

>> >>> dead alvin.

>>

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Thanks Gary, btw here is an good article on the media services at Microsoft

aka once the WebTV program it is very good and current:

http://www.itvt.com/wvialitvtissue-7.91.html

Shari Barnett heads the Mediaroom at Microsoft.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to

> > take care of. I initially said;

> >

> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> >

> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

> > response from another tinker out there.

> >

> > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region

this

> > week.

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

installed

> > by

> >> default.

> >>

> >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

http://www.webtv.com

> >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV

included

> > in

> >> Win98).

> >>

> >> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

> >>

> >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have

> >> no

> >> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's

> > been

> >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

> > squat).

> >>

> >> Jim wrote:

> >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of

the

> >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

> >> >

> >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

connected,

> >> > This

> >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea

> > with

> >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine

in

> >> > hope

> >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list.

> >> > Is

> >> > it

> >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

> > status

> >> > of

> >> > WebTV and where is it going today?

> >> >

> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

> > default

> >> >> in

> >> >> Win98.)

> >> >>

> >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

> >> >>

> >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

> >> >> http://www.webtv.com?

> >> >> --

> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >> >>

> >> >> Jim wrote:

> >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

get

> > a

> >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video

> >> >>> adapter

> >> >>> in

> >> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of

> > this

> >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance

> > the

> >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter

> >> >>> necessary

> >> >>> for

> >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on

> > like

> >> >>> a

> >> >>> dead alvin.

> >>

> >

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the

two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the

WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no

relation to http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that

URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is

useless.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

>

> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to

>> take care of. I initially said;

>>

>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>>

>> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

>> response from another tinker out there.

>>

>> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this

>> week.

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed

>> by

>>> default.

>>>

>>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with http://www.webtv.com

>>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included

>> in

>>> Win98).

>>>

>>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

>>>

>>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have

>>> no

>>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's

>> been

>>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

>> squat).

>>>

>>> Jim wrote:

>>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of

>>> > the

>>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

>>> >

>>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,

>>> > This

>>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea

>> with

>>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in

>>> > hope

>>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list.

>>> > Is

>>> > it

>>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

>> status

>>> > of

>>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

>>> >

>>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

>> default

>>> >> in

>>> >> Win98.)

>>> >>

>>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

>>> >>

>>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

>>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

>>> >> --

>>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>> >>

>>> >> Jim wrote:

>>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

>>> >>> get

>> a

>>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>>> >>>

>>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video

>>> >>> adapter

>>> >>> in

>>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of

>> this

>>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance

>> the

>>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter

>>> >>> necessary

>>> >>> for

>>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on

>> like

>>> >>> a

>>> >>> dead alvin.

>>>

>>

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

That's outside of my sphere of competence, or interest, for that matter. I

just wanted to answer your puzzling question.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.itvt.com/wvialitvtissue-7.91.html

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

news:uQAtRmR6IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Thanks Gary, btw here is an good article on the media services at

> Microsoft

> aka once the WebTV program it is very good and current:

> Shari Barnett heads the Mediaroom at Microsoft.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz

>> > to

>> > take care of. I initially said;

>> >

>> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

>> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>> >

>> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

>> > response from another tinker out there.

>> >

>> > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region

> this

>> > week.

>> >

>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

> installed

>> > by

>> >> default.

>> >>

>> >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

> http://www.webtv.com

>> >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV

> included

>> > in

>> >> Win98).

>> >>

>> >> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

>> >>

>> >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I

>> >> have

>> >> no

>> >> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's

>> > been

>> >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

>> > squat).

>> >>

>> >> Jim wrote:

>> >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of

> the

>> >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

>> >> >

>> >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

> connected,

>> >> > This

>> >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea

>> > with

>> >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine

> in

>> >> > hope

>> >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components

>> >> > list.

>> >> > Is

>> >> > it

>> >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

>> > status

>> >> > of

>> >> > WebTV and where is it going today?

>> >> >

>> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

>> > default

>> >> >> in

>> >> >> Win98.)

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

>> >> >> http://www.webtv.com?

>> >> >> --

>> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Jim wrote:

>> >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

> get

>> > a

>> >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video

>> >> >>> adapter

>> >> >>> in

>> >> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of

>> > this

>> >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to

>> >> >>> enhance

>> > the

>> >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter

>> >> >>> necessary

>> >> >>> for

>> >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang

>> >> >>> on

>> > like

>> >> >>> a

>> >> >>> dead alvin.

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

The threads cannot be merged.

Jim wrote:

<snip>

> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

> response from another tinker out there.

<snip>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were switching from

Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to download every week

or so and when the ISP's began to offer the TV/Movie guide for all channels

in your area e.g. by zip code this idea went by the wayside. It really

needed to update itself on a weekly bases an now daily.

Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly because the

consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want to buy the TV

tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many were lucky if they

had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp etc. It is a struggle to

keep pace for some of us or to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for the

TV Tuner card in today's world?

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the

> two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the

> WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has

no

> relation to http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that

> URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is

> useless.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=video+card+tv

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

> >

> > --

> > Gary S. Terhune

> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > http://grystmill.com

> >

> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz

to

> >> take care of. I initially said;

> >>

> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a

> >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> >>

> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

> >> response from another tinker out there.

> >>

> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region

this

> >> week.

> >>

> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

installed

> >> by

> >>> default.

> >>>

> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

http://www.webtv.com

> >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV

included

> >> in

> >>> Win98).

> >>>

> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

> >>>

> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I

have

> >>> no

> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's

> >> been

> >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

> >> squat).

> >>>

> >>> Jim wrote:

> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of

> >>> > the

> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

> >>> >

> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

connected,

> >>> > This

> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea

> >> with

> >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine

in

> >>> > hope

> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components

list.

> >>> > Is

> >>> > it

> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

> >> status

> >>> > of

> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

> >>> >

> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

> >> default

> >>> >> in

> >>> >> Win98.)

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

> >>> >> --

> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Jim wrote:

> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

> >>> >>> get

> >> a

> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> >>> >>>

> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video

> >>> >>> adapter

> >>> >>> in

> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install of

> >> this

> >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to

enhance

> >> the

> >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter

> >>> >>> necessary

> >>> >>> for

> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang

on

> >> like

> >>> >>> a

> >>> >>> dead alvin.

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

July 18, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

It is working, but only for Gary and me. He replied and add it to the NG

list. I do see that button there and should have tried that myself and will

on this one reply. I don't know if the other guy figure it out though on

webtv NG. :) <g>

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%234ixMKS6IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> The threads cannot be merged.

>

> Jim wrote:

> <snip>

> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

> > response from another tinker out there.

> <snip>

July 19, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

I'm not much into it, as I said, but the certainly sell such cards, with all

kinds of connectors. People can edit their own videos and play them on the

30' giant-wall-sized "tv" monitor, or use the computer as a TIVO decide, or

whatever.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

news:%23l7eULS6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were switching from

> Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to download every week

> or so and when the ISP's began to offer the TV/Movie guide for all

> channels

> in your area e.g. by zip code this idea went by the wayside. It really

> needed to update itself on a weekly bases an now daily.

>

> Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly because the

> consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want to buy the TV

> tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many were lucky if they

> had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp etc. It is a struggle to

> keep pace for some of us or to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for

> the

> TV Tuner card in today's world?

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the

>> two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the

>> WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has

> no

>> relation to http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that

>> URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is

>> useless.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

>> >

>> > --

>> > Gary S. Terhune

>> > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> > http://grystmill.com

>> >

>> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

>> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz

> to

>> >> take care of. I initially said;

>> >>

>> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get

>> >> a

>> >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>> >>

>> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

>> >> response from another tinker out there.

>> >>

>> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region

> this

>> >> week.

>> >>

>> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

> installed

>> >> by

>> >>> default.

>> >>>

>> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

> http://www.webtv.com

>> >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV

> included

>> >> in

>> >>> Win98).

>> >>>

>> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

>> >>>

>> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I

> have

>> >>> no

>> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact that

>> >>> it's

>> >> been

>> >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth

>> >> squat).

>> >>>

>> >>> Jim wrote:

>> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of

>> >>> > the

>> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of http://www.webtv.com.

>> >>> >

>> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

> connected,

>> >>> > This

>> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat

>> >>> > idea

>> >> with

>> >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine

> in

>> >>> > hope

>> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components

> list.

>> >>> > Is

>> >>> > it

>> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the

>> >> status

>> >>> > of

>> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

>> >>> >

>> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by

>> >> default

>> >>> >> in

>> >>> >> Win98.)

>> >>> >>

>> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

>> >>> >>

>> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

>> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

>> >>> >> --

>> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>> >>> >>

>> >>> >> Jim wrote:

>> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

>> >>> >>> get

>> >> a

>> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

>> >>> >>>

>> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video

>> >>> >>> adapter

>> >>> >>> in

>> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an install

>> >>> >>> of

>> >> this

>> >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to

> enhance

>> >> the

>> >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter

>> >>> >>> necessary

>> >>> >>> for

>> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang

> on

>> >> like

>> >>> >>> a

>> >>> >>> dead alvin.

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

July 19, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

You're wrong, what I did did not meld the two threads. It just made this one

visible in both NGs.

Why don't we just leave this in the WebTV group. It's not like you're having

problems or anything, you just want to engage in a discussion of the

technology... But I don't see anyone in the Win98.General Discussion group

that shares your interest. Your technical question has been answered. Win98

WebTV is dead and obsolete and as far as I know can't be used for anything.

Replies to this post should only go to the WebTV group. (Unless I've

forgotten what "Followup-to" does.)

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

news:OWD2YWS6IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> It is working, but only for Gary and me. He replied and add it to the NG

> list. I do see that button there and should have tried that myself and

> will

> on this one reply. I don't know if the other guy figure it out though on

> webtv NG. :) <g>

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%234ixMKS6IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The threads cannot be merged.

>>

>> Jim wrote:

>> <snip>

>> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a

>> > response from another tinker out there.

>> <snip>

>

July 20, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Jim wrote:

| I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were

| switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to

| download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the

| TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this

| idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a

| weekly bases an now daily.

|

| Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly

| because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want

| to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many

| were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp

| etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the

| ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world?

If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named

"Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a monster

log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called "Wavehelper Class"

which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling Wavetop doesn't rid you of

the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that will...

http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon

This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can

"undo" that.

http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & can

"undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its

instructions & cautions carefully.

| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to

|> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the

|> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA

|> Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to http://www.webtv.com,

|> even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98

|> is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless.

|>

|> --

|> Gary S. Terhune

|> MS-MVP Shell/User

|> http://grystmill.com

|>

|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

|> >

|> > --

|> > Gary S. Terhune

|> > MS-MVP Shell/User

|> > http://grystmill.com

|> >

|> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

|> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other

|> >> biz to take care of. I initially said;

|> >>

|> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

|> >> get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

|> >>

|> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally

|> >> got a response from another tinker out there.

|> >>

|> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this

|> >> region this week.

|> >>

|> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

|> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

|> >>> installed by default.

|> >>>

|> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

|> >>> http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the

|> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98).

|> >>>

|> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

|> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

|> >>>

|> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher.

|> >>> I have no

|> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact

|> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it

|> >>> didn't work worth squat).

|> >>>

|> >>> Jim wrote:

|> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not

|> >>> > aware of the

|> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of

|> >>> > http://www.webtv.com.

|> >>> >

|> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

|> >>> > connected, This

|> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a

|> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented

|> >>> > this on this machine in hope

|> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network

|> >>> > components list. Is

|> >>> > it

|> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is

|> >>> > the status of

|> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

|> >>> >

|> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

|> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed

|> >>> >> by default in

|> >>> >> Win98.)

|> >>> >>

|> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

|> >>> >>

|> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

|> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

|> >>> >> --

|> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

|> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since

|> >>> >> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

|> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

|> >>> >>

|> >>> >> Jim wrote:

|> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I

|> >>> >>> did not get

|> >> a

|> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

|> >>> >>>

|> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS

|> >>> >>> TV/video adapter

|> >>> >>> in

|> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an

|> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system

|> >>> >>> is supposed to enhance the video experience with more

|> >>> >>> advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

|> >>> >>> for

|> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just

|> >>> >>> hang on like a

|> >>> >>> dead alvin.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

> http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/

July 20, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Hi, thanks for sharing that with us.

I found that BHO in HJT but had decided to leave it. I note the & "UNDO IT".

Are you implying that there are problems with using HJT to "Fix it" in the

event that the user might want to reinstall Wavetop? Is there any use for

this technology anymore? If I use HJT to fix this problem there is backup.

If I decided for some reason to reinstall Wavetop or any part of WebTV98

[because of its broadcast architecture]; will using HJT cause me to have to

reinstate that particular backup?

I found "Logit.txt" also.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:O8SEHBg6IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Jim wrote:

> | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were

> | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to

> | download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the

> | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this

> | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a

> | weekly bases an now daily.

> |

> | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly

> | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want

> | to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many

> | were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp

> | etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the

> | ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world?

>

> If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named

> "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a monster

> log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called "Wavehelper Class"

> which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling Wavetop doesn't rid you of

> the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that will...

>

> http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon

> This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can

> "undo" that.

>

> http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & can

> "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

>

> HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its

> instructions & cautions carefully.

>

> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to

> |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the

> |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA

> |> Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to http://www.webtv.com,

> |> even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98

> |> is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless.

> |>

> |> --

> |> Gary S. Terhune

> |> MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> http://grystmill.com

> |>

> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

> |> >

> |> > --

> |> > Gary S. Terhune

> |> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> > http://grystmill.com

> |> >

> |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other

> |> >> biz to take care of. I initially said;

> |> >>

> |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not

> |> >> get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> |> >>

> |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally

> |> >> got a response from another tinker out there.

> |> >>

> |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this

> |> >> region this week.

> |> >>

> |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

> |> >>> installed by default.

> |> >>>

> |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

> |> >>> http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the

> |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98).

> |> >>>

> |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

> |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

> |> >>>

> |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher.

> |> >>> I have no

> |> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact

> |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it

> |> >>> didn't work worth squat).

> |> >>>

> |> >>> Jim wrote:

> |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not

> |> >>> > aware of the

> |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of

> |> >>> > http://www.webtv.com.

> |> >>> >

> |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

> |> >>> > connected, This

> |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a

> |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented

> |> >>> > this on this machine in hope

> |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network

> |> >>> > components list. Is

> |> >>> > it

> |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is

> |> >>> > the status of

> |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

> |> >>> >

> |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed

> |> >>> >> by default in

> |> >>> >> Win98.)

> |> >>> >>

> |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

> |> >>> >>

> |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

> |> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

> |> >>> >> --

> |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since

> |> >>> >> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> |> >>> >>

> |> >>> >> Jim wrote:

> |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I

> |> >>> >>> did not get

> |> >> a

> |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

> |> >>> >>>

> |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS

> |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter

> |> >>> >>> in

> |> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an

> |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system

> |> >>> >>> is supposed to enhance the video experience with more

> |> >>> >>> advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

> |> >>> >>> for

> |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just

> |> >>> >>> hang on like a

> |> >>> >>> dead alvin.

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

July 20, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Jim wrote:

| Hi, thanks for sharing that with us.

| I found that BHO in HJT but had decided to leave it. I note the &

| "UNDO IT". Are you implying that there are problems with using HJT to

| "Fix it" in the event that the user might want to reinstall Wavetop?

| Is there any use for this technology anymore? If I use HJT to fix

| this problem there is backup. If I decided for some reason to

| reinstall Wavetop or any part of WebTV98 [because of its broadcast

| architecture]; will using HJT cause me to have to reinstate that

| particular backup?

| I found "Logit.txt" also.

What is the date of your Logit.txt? Is it continuing to fill

uncontrollably with error messages like mine was? If so, removing the

BHO will solve that. It has never caused me a problem to have done that

that I can detect or recollect. I'm not sure whether it was Explorer or

IE that was putting the error messages in there, but probably it was IE

(Wavetop is one of its Favorites). Open both to see whether Logit.txt

will grow.

Wavetop appears to do with that WEB TV the others are saying is

defunct...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/232285/en-us

WaveTop 2.0 May Not Detect TV Tuner Card

Other than that, I really can't say whether you will ever need it or

whether reinstalling Wavetop will reinstall the BHO. Uninstalling

Wavetop, however, did not uninstall the BHO; so... ???.

If your Logit.txt is not filled with error messages or doesn't continue

to grow, I guess you can probably keep the BHO, though-- IF you are

squeamish about killing it.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:O8SEHBg6IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> Jim wrote:

|> | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were

|> | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had

|> | to download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the

|> | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this

|> | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a

|> | weekly bases an now daily.

|> |

|> | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly

|> | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not

|> | want to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then,

|> | so many were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill

|> | and then xp etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or

|> | to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in

|> | today's world?

|>

|> If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named

|> "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a

|> monster log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called

|> "Wavehelper Class" which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling

|> Wavetop doesn't rid you of the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that

|> will...

|>

|> http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon

|> This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can

|> "undo" that.

|>

|> http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries &

|> can "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

|>

|> http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/

|> HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its

|> instructions & cautions carefully.

|>

|> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to

|> |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the

|> |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as

|> |> PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to

|> |> http://www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL.

|> |> WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is

|> |> useless.

|> |>

|> |> --

|> |> Gary S. Terhune

|> |> MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> http://grystmill.com

|> |>

|> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

|> |> >

|> |> > --

|> |> > Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > http://grystmill.com

|> |> >

|> |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

|> |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and

|> |> >> other biz to take care of. I initially said;

|> |> >>

|> |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did

|> |> >> not get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

|> |> >>

|> |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally

|> |> >> got a response from another tinker out there.

|> |> >>

|> |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this

|> |> >> region this week.

|> |> >>

|> |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

|> |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not

|> |> >>> installed by default.

|> |> >>>

|> |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with

|> |> >>> http://www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the

|> |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98).

|> |> >>>

|> |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:

|> |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

|> |> >>>

|> |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or

|> |> >>> higher. I have no

|> |> >>> idea what's going on with http://www.webtv.com (other than the fact

|> |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and

|> |> >>> it didn't work worth squat).

|> |> >>>

|> |> >>> Jim wrote:

|> |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not

|> |> >>> > aware of the

|> |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of

|> |> >>> > http://www.webtv.com.

|> |> >>> >

|> |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it

|> |> >>> > connected, This

|> |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a

|> |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also

|> |> >>> > implemented this on this machine in hope

|> |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network

|> |> >>> > components list. Is

|> |> >>> > it

|> |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What

|> |> >>> > is the status of

|> |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?

|> |> >>> >

|> |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

|> |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not

|> |> >>> >> installed by default in

|> |> >>> >> Win98.)

|> |> >>> >>

|> |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

|> |> >>> >>

|> |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with

|> |> >>> >> http://www.webtv.com?

|> |> >>> >> --

|> |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

|> |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience -

|> |> >>> >> since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

|> |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

|> |> >>> >>

|> |> >>> >> Jim wrote:

|> |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I

|> |> >>> >>> did not get

|> |> >> a

|> |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

|> |> >>> >>>

|> |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS

|> |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter

|> |> >>> >>> in

|> |> >>> >>> the Network components list; is this a by product of an

|> |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista

|> |> >>> >>> system is supposed to enhance the video experience with

|> |> >>> >>> more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary

|> |> >>> >>> for

|> |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to

|> |> >>> >>> just hang on like a

|> |> >>> >>> dead alvin.

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx

July 21, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current date/time

and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that removing a BHO

from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the future if I have any

need of it.

Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back channel?

Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a transmitter...I wonder

where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

July 22, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Jim wrote:

| Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current

| date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that

| removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the

| future if I have any need of it.

Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the

MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune

has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another

hibernation.

| Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back

| channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a

| transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that

ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...

Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98

WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows

98 Open Broadcast Architecture

I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't

have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,

anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for

anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo

to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be

useful.

Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention

Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

July 23, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

What's a Wave Phor?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Jim wrote:

> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current

> | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that

> | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the

> | future if I have any need of it.

>

> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the

> MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune

> has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another

> hibernation.

>

> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back

> | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a

> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

>

> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that

> ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...

>

> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98

> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows

> 98 Open Broadcast Architecture

>

> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't

> have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,

> anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for

> anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo

> to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be

> useful.

>

> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention

> Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

July 23, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a

system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical

blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast band.

They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to thru webTV

and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content of fairly high

quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of the1990's internet

development. All the service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV antenna

and TV Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the

users like Excite and many others. The original internet users being

computer scientists and engineers were not particularly interested in Ads

only communication and assurance.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> What's a Wave Phor?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx

>

> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > Jim wrote:

> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current

> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that

> > | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the

> > | future if I have any need of it.

> >

> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the

> > MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune

> > has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another

> > hibernation.

> >

> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back

> > | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a

> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

> >

> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that

> > ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...

> >

> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98

> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows

> > 98 Open Broadcast Architecture

> >

> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't

> > have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,

> > anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for

> > anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo

> > to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be

> > useful.

> >

> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention

> > Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!

> >

> > --

> > Thanks or Good Luck,

> > There may be humor in this post, and,

> > Naturally, you will not sue,

> > Should things get worse after this,

> > PCR

> > pcrrcp@netzero.net

> >

>

July 23, 2008

Re: webTV adapter

Jim wrote:

| Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a

| system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical

| blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast

| band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to

| thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content

| of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of

| the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the

| ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see.

| Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many

| others. The original internet users being computer scientists and

| engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication

| and assurance.

Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out!

Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question!

That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have

been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already

done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the

looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna &

possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could

explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that

synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> What's a Wave Phor?

|>

|> --

|> Gary S. Terhune

|> MS-MVP Shell/User

|> http://grystmill.com

|>

|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> > Jim wrote:

|> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current

|> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe

|> > | that removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any

|> > | problem in the future if I have any need of it.

|> >

|> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of

|> > the MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision,

|> > unless Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear

|> > entered another hibernation.

|> >

|> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the

|> > | back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a

|> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

|> >

|> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article

|> > that ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...

|> >

|> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx

|> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98

|> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of

|> > Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture

|> >

|> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you

|> > don't have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first

|> > place, anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are

|> > useful for anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use

|> > HiJackThis's undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the

|> > part you discover to be useful.

|> >

|> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still

|> > mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!

|> >

|> > --

|> > Thanks or Good Luck,

|> > There may be humor in this post, and,

|> > Naturally, you will not sue,

|> > Should things get worse after this,

|> > PCR

|> > pcrrcp@netzero.net

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Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR