Guest PCR Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Gary S. Terhune wrote: | What's a Wave Phor? LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim has saved me! | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://grystmill.com | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> Jim wrote: |> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current |> | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that |> | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in |> | the future if I have any need of it. |> |> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the |> MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless |> Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another |> hibernation. |> |> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back |> | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a |> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? |> |> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that |> ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... |> |> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx |> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 |> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of |> Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture |> |> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't |> have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place, |> anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for |> anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's |> undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you |> discover to be useful. |> |> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still |> mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! |> |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Oh, man!!! You made me have to wake up to read that. But now that's over, so it's back to the couch for me. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23edooAQ7IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a > system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical > blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast > band. > They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to thru webTV > and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content of fairly high > quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of the1990's internet > development. All the service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV > antenna > and TV Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the > users like Excite and many others. The original internet users being > computer scientists and engineers were not particularly interested in Ads > only communication and assurance. > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> What's a Wave Phor? >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message >> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > Jim wrote: >> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current >> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that >> > | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the >> > | future if I have any need of it. >> > >> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the >> > MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless >> > Terhune >> > has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another >> > hibernation. >> > >> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back >> > | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a >> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? >> > >> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that >> > ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... >> > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx >> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 >> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows >> > 98 Open Broadcast Architecture >> > >> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't >> > have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place, >> > anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for >> > anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's >> > undo >> > to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be >> > useful. >> > >> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention >> > Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks or Good Luck, >> > There may be humor in this post, and, >> > Naturally, you will not sue, >> > Should things get worse after this, >> > PCR >> > pcrrcp@netzero.net >> > >> > >> >> > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter PCR wrote: > Jim wrote: >> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a >> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical >> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast >> band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to >> thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content >> of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of >> the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the >> ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see. >> Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many >> others. The original internet users being computer scientists and >> engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication >> and assurance. > > Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out! > Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question! > > That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have > been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already > done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the > looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna & > possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could > explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that > synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure. > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> What's a Wave Phor? >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message >>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Jim wrote: >>>> <snip>. >>>> >>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the >>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a >>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These are three completely different entitities. If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and then needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit radio waves" (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at least THAT makes sense.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter I KNEW you'd be along to correct that one, <g>. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:eqVUWIT7IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > PCR wrote: >> Jim wrote: >>> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a >>> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical >>> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast >>> band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to >>> thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content >>> of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of >>> the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the >>> ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see. >>> Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many >>> others. The original internet users being computer scientists and >>> engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication >>> and assurance. >> >> Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out! >> Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question! >> >> That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have >> been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already >> done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the >> looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna & >> possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could >> explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that >> synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure. >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> What's a Wave Phor? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message >>>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> Jim wrote: >>>>> <snip>. >>>>> >>>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the >>>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a >>>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? > > An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These are > three completely different entitities. > > If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and then > needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit radio > waves" (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at least THAT > makes sense. >
Guest Jim Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore]. "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > | What's a Wave Phor? > > LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim > has saved me! > > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://grystmill.com > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > |> Jim wrote: > |> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current > |> | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that > |> | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in > |> | the future if I have any need of it. > |> > |> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the > |> MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless > |> Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another > |> hibernation. > |> > |> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back > |> | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a > |> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? > |> > |> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that > |> ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... > |> > |> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx > |> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 > |> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of > |> Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture > |> > |> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't > |> have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place, > |> anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for > |> anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's > |> undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you > |> discover to be useful. > |> > |> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still > |> mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! > |> > |> > |> -- > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > |> Should things get worse after this, > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Jim Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter That is what I meant. Sorry, I thought that was clear to the reader. Also, to add they would have to have the MAC address and some form of hash\hasked verification similar to the handshake type used at AT&T and there are both digital\analog TV Tuner cards. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:eqVUWIT7IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > PCR wrote: > > Jim wrote: > >> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a > >> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical > >> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast > >> band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to > >> thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content > >> of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of > >> the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the > >> ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see. > >> Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many > >> others. The original internet users being computer scientists and > >> engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication > >> and assurance. > > > > Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out! > > Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question! > > > > That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have > > been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already > > done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the > > looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna & > > possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could > > explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that > > synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure. > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > >> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>> What's a Wave Phor? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Gary S. Terhune > >>> MS-MVP Shell/User > >>> http://grystmill.com > >>> > >>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > >>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>> Jim wrote: > >>>> <snip>. > >>>> > >>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the > >>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a > >>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? > > An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These are three > completely different entitities. > > If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and then > needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit radio waves" > (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at least THAT makes > sense. > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas? Sounds like a technology that was never going to fly, ;-) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore]. > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> | What's a Wave Phor? >> >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim >> has saved me! >> >> | -- >> | Gary S. Terhune >> | MS-MVP Shell/User >> | http://grystmill.com
Guest Jim Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter no, no, no the point is this predated the wi-fi and was similar only using a TV signal band. It works. Only too few people either used it or their costs there became prohibitive. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23y0EHvb7IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas? Sounds > like a technology that was never going to fly, ;-) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore]. > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > >> | What's a Wave Phor? > >> > >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim > >> has saved me! > >> > >> | -- > >> | Gary S. Terhune > >> | MS-MVP Shell/User > >> | http://grystmill.com > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: webTV adapter A joke, son. It was a joke! Just like my original question: "What's a Wave Phor?" (Intentionally misspelled the last word, even.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%231GZ5Td7IHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > no, no, no the point is this predated the wi-fi and was similar only using > a > TV signal band. It works. Only too few people either used it or their > costs > there became prohibitive. > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23y0EHvb7IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas? > Sounds >> like a technology that was never going to fly, ;-) >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >> news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore]. >> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message >> > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> >> | What's a Wave Phor? >> >> >> >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim >> >> has saved me! >> >> >> >> | -- >> >> | Gary S. Terhune >> >> | MS-MVP Shell/User >> >> | http://grystmill.com >> >> > >
Guest PCR Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Bill in Co. wrote: | PCR wrote: |> Jim wrote: |>> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of |>> a system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI |>> [vertical blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of |>> its broadcast band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton |>> that were going to thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic |>> free internet content of fairly high quality without an ISP...go |>> figure! The thrust of the1990's internet development. All the |>> service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV antenna and TV |>> Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the |>> users like Excite and many others. The original internet users |>> being computer scientists and engineers were not particularly |>> interested in Ads only communication and assurance. |> |> Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out! |> Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question! |> |> That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would |> have been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not |> already done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow |> with the looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different |> antenna & possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. |> That could explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. |> Thanks for that synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge |> & tough to figure. |> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message |>> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |>>> What's a Wave Phor? |>>> |>>> -- |>>> Gary S. Terhune |>>> MS-MVP Shell/User |>>> http://grystmill.com |>>> |>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |>>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |>>>> Jim wrote: |>>>> <snip>. |>>>> |>>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the |>>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a |>>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? | | An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These | are three completely different entitities. | | If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and | then needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit | radio waves" (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at | least THAT makes sense. Alright. But I didn't want to do the research just to speak knowledgeably on a defunct technology. I was just guessing Wavephore, Wavetop, & WEB TV (the original one) all might become defunct (if they already weren't) when broadcast TV switched to HDTV for one reason or another, be it the antenna difference or some other difference. But I see by Jim's word it might have continued to work with digital broadcasts too after switching to a digital receiver. OK, fine. It was a wonderful concept. Too bad it's gone. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Re: webTV adapter Jim wrote: | I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore]. I think Terhune would already know if it meant that. | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> | What's a Wave Phor? |> |> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim |> has saved me! |> |> | -- |> | Gary S. Terhune |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> | http://grystmill.com |> | |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> |> Jim wrote: |> |> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were |> |> | current date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not |> |> | believe that removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause |> |> | any problem in the future if I have any need of it. |> |> |> |> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of |> |> the MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, |> |> unless Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear |> |> entered another hibernation. |> |> |> |> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the |> |> | back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a |> |> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going? |> |> |> |> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article |> |> that ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together... |> |> |> |> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx |> |> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98 |> |> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of |> |> Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture |> |> |> |> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you |> |> don't have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the |> |> first place, anyhow. I just hope none of the various components |> |> are useful for anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply |> |> use HiJackThis's undo to get back what you've removed, if that's |> |> the part you discover to be useful. |> |> |> |> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still |> |> mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm! |> |> |> |> |> |> -- |> |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> |> Should things get worse after this, |> |> PCR |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Jim Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Re: webTV adapter That's ok. I thought it was an interesting topic and one of the many attributes that win98 had that very few adventured too. The guys who came up with the idea were sharp, but the public was slow and had to be spoon fed the goodies from Microsoft in a digestible manner, which means at the idiot proof level. I still wonder what you can do with this TV Tuner card technology, and is it worth picking one up. The idea of WebTV in a television set or even with the auxiliary unit is not a bad idea given server farms out there dedicated to servicing the system. The U-Verse system that AT&T is pushing uses FTTN and has in this system protocols like IGMP(see Wiki) it is IP and not TV tuner related, but it is a high speed video system using IPMulticast. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eyb3AFe7IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > A joke, son. It was a joke! Just like my original question: "What's a Wave > Phor?" (Intentionally misspelled the last word, even.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:%231GZ5Td7IHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > no, no, no the point is this predated the wi-fi and was similar only using > > a > > TV signal band. It works. Only too few people either used it or their > > costs > > there became prohibitive. > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > > news:%23y0EHvb7IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas? > > Sounds > >> like a technology that was never going to fly, ;-) > >> > >> -- > >> Gary S. Terhune > >> MS-MVP Shell/User > >> http://grystmill.com > >> > >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >> news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore]. > >> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > >> >> | What's a Wave Phor? > >> >> > >> >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim > >> >> has saved me! > >> >> > >> >> | -- > >> >> | Gary S. Terhune > >> >> | MS-MVP Shell/User > >> >> | http://grystmill.com > >> > >> > > > > > >
Guest Dan Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 Re: webTV adapter and Windows 9x and NT Re: webTV adapter and Windows 9x and NT I agree completely with Gary's look at the situation. If you want support for the latest technology then buy the latest operating system. An example of this would be playing Itunes which works with Windows XP but Windows 98 Second Edition is too old for Apple to bother supporting anymore. The nice thing about Windows 98 Second Edition imo, is DOS, compatibility with old DOS games and software and Windows 3.1 software, internal saftety (according to Chris Quirke, MVP), etc. Windows 98 Second Edition also provides a nice-stand-alone user experience and has 9x source code which I just love and think is so sweet. When, my VPN was hacked in XP Professional the operating system got hosed but 98 Second Edition rode it out like a champ and was not compromised although it was exposed even longer than XP Professional to the compromised APS intranet in 2007. The thing is that Windows XP just likes to give out lots of information compared to 98 Second Edition which enjoys retaining data and doesn't just give out as much data. The services provided in 98 Second Edition are much less so the attack surface area is much smaller. Please see secunia.com to compare a fully patched Windows 98 Second Edition computer to a fully patched Windows XP Professional computer. Windows Vista will be excluded from this argument because it has external security measures way beyond Windows XP Professional. In the future, I plan to dual-boot with Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Vista because I am getting tired of Windows XP Professional and its lack of external security measures. Please anyone who is interested in this then just read up on Microsoft's history and see how the problem with NT was that the source code was not there according to early Microsoft engineers. Windows 9x source code was there in a sense because it had DOS and please see Chris Quirke's website for more details. http://cquirke.blogspot.com/ (Chris has links to many of his websites from here including but not limited to) http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/ http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/riskfix.htm
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