Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

[Guest Ant]

Hi!

 

Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this

KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer

crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

 

I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

 

Thank you in advance. :)

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[Guest Big_Al]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

Ant wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this

> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer

> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

>

> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

>

> Thank you in advance. :)

 

KB951748 did update a whole bunch of files involved with your internet

connection. It took down and PC with ZoneAlarm firewall, no internet

connecton, and the fix for that is to get an updated version of ZA they

released yesterday.

 

I've also heard that other firewall programs have had issues, but I

don't know what vendors.

 

But the issue with ZoneAlarm has been that the firewall latches into one

of the dll's to do its duty, and when the MS update changed the file ZA

software failed to acknowledge the change and kept using an old version.

Or that's a revised version of problem.

 

This is not a solution for you, but might give you some ideas. Also

there was no crash, just a failure to connect to the internet, like you

unplugged your cable. IE still seemed to work.

 

HTH. Al.

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

If you (1) unintall KPF v2.1.5, (2) enable the Windows Firewall, and then

(3) reinstall KB951478, does the behavior persist?

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Ant wrote:

> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this

> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer

> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

>

> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

[Guest MowGreen [MVP]]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

Ant wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this

> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer

> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

>

> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

>

> Thank you in advance. :)

 

 

The update is to the networking files of XP. Explorer may be crashing

because you may need to reset Permissions for it from within Kerio.

 

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]

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[Guest Phillip Pi]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

On 7/11/2008 12:47 PM PT, MowGreen [MVP] wrote:

>> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with

>> this KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows

>> Explorer crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

>>

>> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

>> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

>>

>> Thank you in advance. :)

>

> The update is to the networking files of XP. Explorer may be crashing

> because you may need to reset Permissions for it from within Kerio.

 

Hmm, I do use the simple LAN file sharing with a Linux/Debian box

(Samba). According to

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20775245-Kerio-Personall-Firewall-v215-KB951748-Kerio-forum

.... majority didn't have problems but one did with his DNS resolution. I

wonder if Explorer is calling out even though I use hosts and my old

Netgear RT311 router (firmware from 2002 or so).

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[Guest Phillip Pi]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

On 7/11/2008 10:59 AM PT, Big_Al wrote:

>> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with

>> this KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows

>> Explorer crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

>>

>> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

>> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

>>

>> Thank you in advance. :)

>

> KB951748 did update a whole bunch of files involved with your internet

> connection. It took down and PC with ZoneAlarm firewall, no internet

> connecton, and the fix for that is to get an updated version of ZA they

> released yesterday.

>

> I've also heard that other firewall programs have had issues, but I

> don't know what vendors.

>

> But the issue with ZoneAlarm has been that the firewall latches into one

> of the dll's to do its duty, and when the MS update changed the file ZA

> software failed to acknowledge the change and kept using an old version.

> Or that's a revised version of problem.

>

> This is not a solution for you, but might give you some ideas. Also

> there was no crash, just a failure to connect to the internet, like you

> unplugged your cable. IE still seemed to work.

 

Thanks. Perhaps Explorer is doing something with DNS. I do use the

Internet and LAN file sharing with a Debian/Linux box, but I use hosts

files for lookups internally.

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ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit

Symantec Corporation

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[Guest Phillip Pi]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

On 7/11/2008 11:51 AM PT, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> If you (1) unintall KPF v2.1.5, (2) enable the Windows Firewall, and

> then (3) reinstall KB951478, does the behavior persist?

 

I will try that if I get desperate. I don't like using Windows Firewall

due to missing output blockages. Hence why I use KPF.

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[Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

How do output blockages help you?

 

 

: I will try that if I get desperate. I don't like using Windows Firewall

: due to missing output blockages. Hence why I use KPF.

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[Guest gram pappy]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

Yes, running XP Pro SP2 & KPF v2.1.5.

Installed KB951748 from WU on 7/9/08 with no problems...

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"Ant" <philpi@earthlink.netANT> wrote in message

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> Hi!

>

> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with

> this KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows

> Explorer crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows

> Explorer?

>

> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

>

> Thank you in advance. :)

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[Guest Phillip Pi]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

I like to block network programs that should be contact home or whatever.

 

 

On 7/11/2008 2:17 PM PT, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

> How do output blockages help you?

>

>

> : I will try that if I get desperate. I don't like using Windows Firewall

> : due to missing output blockages. Hence why I use KPF.

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[Guest Ant]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

Hmm, it doesn't seem like KB951748 is causing my Explorer crashes. I

just had a crash again. :(

 

Thanks to everyone who replied about this.

 

 

On 7/11/2008 10:19 AM PT, Ant typed:

> Hi!

>

> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this

> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer

> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

>

> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed

> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

>

> Thank you in advance. :)

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[Guest Kayman]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro. SP2?

 

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:15:32 -0700, Phillip Pi wrote:

> I like to block network programs that should be contact home or whatever.

>

>

> On 7/11/2008 2:17 PM PT, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

>

>> How do output blockages help you?

 

Phillip Pi,

please don't take this personally but it seems your understanding in

relation to 3rd party (so-called) firewalls is very limited, to say the

least.

 

Your *best* option is to uninstall Kerio and activate the build-in f/w

application of WinXP!

For the average homeuser, the Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job

at its core mission and is really all you need if you have an 'real-time'

anti-virus program, [another firewall on your router or] other edge

protection like SeconfigXP* and practise Safe-Hex**.

The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

 

Activate and utilize the Win XP built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all* Programs

and Services under the Exception tab.

Read through:

 

Understanding Windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/internet/sp2_wfintro.mspx

 

Using Windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/security/winfirewall.mspx

 

PFW Criticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_firewall#Criticisms

 

At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.

http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx

 

Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

Scroll down to:

"Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

 

Exploring the windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx

"Outbound protection is security theater¡Xit¡¦s a gimmick that only gives the

impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually

does improve your security."

 

*In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:

Seconfig XP 1.0

http://seconfig.sytes.net/

OR

Configuring NT-services much more secure.

http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html

 

**Routinely practice Safe-Hex.

http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

Hundreds Click on 'Click Here to Get Infected' Ad

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2132447,00.asp

 

And, in future be more critical when reading advertisement driven

publications (don't get blinded by all that hype)!

 

Go to...

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/Home-Home-Office/Sunbelt-Personal-Firewall/

 

....and follow all the hype created by Sunbelt's *Marketing Department*.

 

Still use the free Windows XP firewall?

Unfortunately, this gives you a false sense of security. It only protects

incoming traffic. But outgoing traffic, with your credit card info, social

security number, bank accounts, passwords and other confidential

information is not protected. The WinXP firewall will let it all go out.

But... SPF will block that data if you buy the FULL version! You absolutely

need a better, commercial-grade firewall.

 

Then read in...

Windows Personal Firewall Analysis

 

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php#firewalls-ratings

 

....a more realistic view which obviously was drafted by the head of

Sunbelt's *Operations Department*.

 

Sunbelt Software - the vendor of Sunbelt Kerio Personal Firewall

 

2007-08-07: Here is the response we have received from this vendor:

 

Sunbelt Software is committed to providing the strongest possible security

products to its customers, and we will be working to correct demonstrable

issues in the Sunbelt Personal Firewall. Users can expect these and other

continuing enhancements for the Sunbelt Personal Firewall in the near

future.

 

However, we have some reservations about personal firewall "leak testing"

in general. While we appreciate and support the unique value of independent

security testing, we are admittedly skeptical as to just how meaningful

these leak tests really are, especially as they reflect real-world

environments.

 

The key assumption of "leak testing" -- namely, that it is somehow useful

to measure the outbound protection provided by personal firewalls in cases

where malware has already executed on the test box -- strikes us as a

questionable basis on which to build a security assessment. Today's malware

is so malicious and cleverly designed that it is often safest to regard PCs

as so thoroughly compromised that nothing on the box can be trusted once

the malware executes. In short, "leak testing" starts after the game is

already lost, as the malware has already gotten past the inbound firewall

protection.

 

Moreover, "leak testing" is predicated on the further assumption that

personal firewalls should warn users about outbound connections even when

the involved code components are not demonstrably malicious or suspicious

(as is the case with the simulator programs used for "leak testing"). In

fact, this kind of program design risks pop-up fatigue in users,

effectively lowering the overall security of the system -- the reason

developers are increasingly shunning this design for security applications.

 

Finally, leak testing typically relies on simulator programs, the use of

which is widely discredited among respected anti-malware researchers -- and

for good reason. Simulators simply cannot approximate the actual behavior

of real malware in real world conditions. Furthermore, when simulators are

used for anti-malware testing, the testing process is almost unavoidably

tailored to fit the limitations of simulator instead of the complexity of

real world conditions. What gets lost is a sense for how the tested

products actually perform against live, kicking malware that exhibits

behavior too complex to be captured in narrowly designed simulators.

 

This is pretty eye-opening as well:

 

Firewall LeakTesting.

Excerpts:

Leo Laporte: "So the leaktest is kind of pointless."

Steve Gibson: "Well,yes,...

Leo: "So are you saying that there's no point in doing a leaktest anymore?"

Steve: "Well, it's why I have not taken the trouble to update mine, because

you..."

Leo: "You can't test enough".

Steve: "Well, yeah.

Leo: "Right. Very interesting stuff. I guess that - my sense is, if you

can't test for leaks, a software-based firewall is kind of essentially

worthless."

 

Read and/or listen to the entire conversation here:

http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-105.htm

[Guest Ant]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:15:32 -0700, Phillip Pi wrote:

>

>> I like to block network programs that should be contact home or whatever.

>>

>>

>> On 7/11/2008 2:17 PM PT, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

>>

>>> How do output blockages help you?

>

> Phillip Pi,

> please don't take this personally but it seems your understanding in

> relation to 3rd party (so-called) firewalls is very limited, to say the

> least.

>

> Your *best* option is to uninstall Kerio and activate the build-in f/w

> application of WinXP!

> For the average homeuser, the Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job

> at its core mission and is really all you need if you have an 'real-time'

> anti-virus program, [another firewall on your router or] other edge

> protection like SeconfigXP* and practise Safe-Hex**.

> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

>

> Activate and utilize the Win XP built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all* Programs

> and Services under the Exception tab.

> Read through:

>

> Understanding Windows Firewall.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/internet/sp2_wfintro.mspx

>

> Using Windows Firewall.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/security/winfirewall.mspx

>

> PFW Criticism.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_firewall#Criticisms

>

> At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.

> http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx

>

> Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

> Scroll down to:

> "Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

>

> Exploring the windows Firewall.

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx

> "Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a gimmick that only gives the

> impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually

> does improve your security."

>

> *In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:

> Seconfig XP 1.0

> http://seconfig.sytes.net/

> OR

> Configuring NT-services much more secure.

> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html

>

> **Routinely practice Safe-Hex.

> http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

> Hundreds Click on 'Click Here to Get Infected' Ad

> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2132447,00.asp

>

> And, in future be more critical when reading advertisement driven

> publications (don't get blinded by all that hype)!

>

> Go to...

> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/Home-Home-Office/Sunbelt-Personal-Firewall/

>

> ...and follow all the hype created by Sunbelt's *Marketing Department*.

>

>

> Still use the free Windows XP firewall?

> Unfortunately, this gives you a false sense of security. It only protects

> incoming traffic. But outgoing traffic, with your credit card info, social

> security number, bank accounts, passwords and other confidential

> information is not protected. The WinXP firewall will let it all go out.

> But... SPF will block that data if you buy the FULL version! You absolutely

> need a better, commercial-grade firewall.

>

>

> Then read in...

> Windows Personal Firewall Analysis

>

> http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php#firewalls-ratings

>

> ...a more realistic view which obviously was drafted by the head of

> Sunbelt's *Operations Department*.

>

> Sunbelt Software - the vendor of Sunbelt Kerio Personal Firewall

>

> 2007-08-07: Here is the response we have received from this vendor:

>

>

> Sunbelt Software is committed to providing the strongest possible security

> products to its customers, and we will be working to correct demonstrable

> issues in the Sunbelt Personal Firewall. Users can expect these and other

> continuing enhancements for the Sunbelt Personal Firewall in the near

> future.

>

> However, we have some reservations about personal firewall "leak testing"

> in general. While we appreciate and support the unique value of independent

> security testing, we are admittedly skeptical as to just how meaningful

> these leak tests really are, especially as they reflect real-world

> environments.

>

> The key assumption of "leak testing" -- namely, that it is somehow useful

> to measure the outbound protection provided by personal firewalls in cases

> where malware has already executed on the test box -- strikes us as a

> questionable basis on which to build a security assessment. Today's malware

> is so malicious and cleverly designed that it is often safest to regard PCs

> as so thoroughly compromised that nothing on the box can be trusted once

> the malware executes. In short, "leak testing" starts after the game is

> already lost, as the malware has already gotten past the inbound firewall

> protection.

>

> Moreover, "leak testing" is predicated on the further assumption that

> personal firewalls should warn users about outbound connections even when

> the involved code components are not demonstrably malicious or suspicious

> (as is the case with the simulator programs used for "leak testing"). In

> fact, this kind of program design risks pop-up fatigue in users,

> effectively lowering the overall security of the system -- the reason

> developers are increasingly shunning this design for security applications.

>

> Finally, leak testing typically relies on simulator programs, the use of

> which is widely discredited among respected anti-malware researchers -- and

> for good reason. Simulators simply cannot approximate the actual behavior

> of real malware in real world conditions. Furthermore, when simulators are

> used for anti-malware testing, the testing process is almost unavoidably

> tailored to fit the limitations of simulator instead of the complexity of

> real world conditions. What gets lost is a sense for how the tested

> products actually perform against live, kicking malware that exhibits

> behavior too complex to be captured in narrowly designed simulators.

>

>

> This is pretty eye-opening as well:

>

> Firewall LeakTesting.

> Excerpts:

> Leo Laporte: "So the leaktest is kind of pointless."

> Steve Gibson: "Well,yes,...

> Leo: "So are you saying that there's no point in doing a leaktest anymore?"

> Steve: "Well, it's why I have not taken the trouble to update mine, because

> you..."

> Leo: "You can't test enough".

> Steve: "Well, yeah.

> Leo: "Right. Very interesting stuff. I guess that - my sense is, if you

> can't test for leaks, a software-based firewall is kind of essentially

> worthless."

 

Huh? I don't want some of my programs to phone home like screen savers,

SopCast's ads program (sopadver.exe), PowerDVD7, TSReader, dxdiag.exe,

etc. All the listed are phoning to somewhere (e.g., home) and it is not

needed IMO. I only needed a simple firewall to manage incoming and

outgoing (big deal for me).

--

"I am afraid that I am convinced that a community of human beings is a

far more useful thing than a community of ants, and that if the human

being is condemned and restricted to perform the same functions over and

over again, he will not even be a good ant, not to mention a good human

being." --Norbert Wiener

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[Guest Harry Johnston [MVP]]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

Ant wrote:

> Huh? I don't want some of my programs to phone home like screen savers,

> SopCast's ads program (sopadver.exe), PowerDVD7, TSReader, dxdiag.exe,

> etc. All the listed are phoning to somewhere (e.g., home) and it is not

> needed IMO. I only needed a simple firewall to manage incoming and

> outgoing (big deal for me).

 

Well, if that's more important to you than keeping your machine working

reliably, best wishes and good luck!

 

Harry.

[Guest Ant]

Re: Crash with Kerio Personall Firewall v2.1.5 & KB951748 in XP Pro.SP2?

 

I found the cause: CmdLineExt.dll (SecuROM context menu for Explorer)

 

ShellViewEx said: CmdLineContextMenu Class Yes Context Menu

SecuROM context menu for Explorer. 1,1,224,0 Sony DADC Austria

AG. No No No No No No

C:\WINDOWS\system32\CmdLineExt.dll

{F0407C3D-349C-42B9-B83E-821E31623DF9} 5/30/2005 2:36:01 PM

7/9/2008 12:37:25 AM No .exe, .vtx, exefile A 107,888

 

 

7/9/2008 12:37:25 AM matches the time I installed this and started

having problems!! This was from Command & Conquer: Kane's Wrath v1.01

update!

 

Crossing my fingers that no more crashes (already over an hour with two

reboots -- safe mode and normal with all stuff back except this one).

Damn these copy protections.

 

Lots of people have this too:

http://www.google.com/search?q=CmdLineExt.dll+explorer.exe+crash ...

Heads up for those if you ever run into this problem. :(

 

 

So basically, nothing to do with KPF, KB updates, etc.

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