Guest Newbie Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Hello, Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove them one by one. Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. Thanks
Guest Jim Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... > Hello, > > Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. > If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. > But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove > them > one by one. > Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? > If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. > > Thanks Those companies certainly do know how to create a system that is cluttered with superflous programs (superflous to me anyway). After you get the system setup the way that you want it, make backup using Acronis True Image (ATI). ATI is not free. Make sure that the backup resides on one or more DVDs. ATI can create a restore CD which will restore the backup. Furthermore, you don't need two DVD drives because ATI is memory resident. You just remove the CD and proceed with the restoration. It takes my system less than 15 minutes to make a backup. It takes about the same time to restore. Jim
Guest JS Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore Yes you can, but the Image file can not be located on the same drive partition. You need to store/create the image file to: 1) A separate partition on the same drive. (not recommended because if the drive fails you lose your image backup) 2) To a second internal hard drive. (Still some risk if you have a catastrophic failure of the PC) 3) Or as most people will recommend to an external hard drive. 4) Use Windows Sever to store the image file. (I've see it done, but I'm a home user and have no need to) Norton Ghost http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost14 True Image (has a 15 day trial version available) http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ JS "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... > Hello, > > Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. > If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. > But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove > them > one by one. > Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? > If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. > > Thanks
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore Yes it can. It can be stored in the Acronis Secure Zone. JS wrote: > Yes you can, but the Image file can not be located on the same drive > partition. > > You need to store/create the image file to: > 1) A separate partition on the same drive. > (not recommended because if the drive fails you lose your image backup) > 2) To a second internal hard drive. > (Still some risk if you have a catastrophic failure of the PC) > 3) Or as most people will recommend to an external hard drive. > 4) Use Windows Sever to store the image file. > (I've see it done, but I'm a home user and have no need to) > > Norton Ghost > http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost14 > > True Image (has a 15 day trial version available) > http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ > > > JS > > > "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >> Hello, >> >> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >> them >> one by one. >> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. >> >> Thanks
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore Who owns the machine, you or your employer? Newbie wrote: > Hello, > > Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. > If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. > But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove > them > one by one. > Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? > If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. > > Thanks
Guest Newbie Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore The employer owns the PCs. We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition 1. Like HP does. In this case, we don't have to remove any trial softwares. Thanks "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > Who owns the machine, you or your employer? > > Newbie wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. > > If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. > > But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove > > them > > one by one. > > Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? > > If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. > > > > Thanks > >
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk (including all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using Acronis True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the Acronis image back to the drive/partition. Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up to. This doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by a third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software installed. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... > Hello, > > Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. > If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. > But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove > them > one by one. > Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? > If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. > > Thanks
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:56:05 -0700, Newbie <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > The employer owns the PCs. > > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition 1. > Like HP does. If that's your backup scheme, you're kidding yourself. It's better than no backup at all, but only slightly. You're perhaps protecting yourself against the operating system itself crashing, but that's far from the biggest danger there is to your data. You need to protect yourself against the more common dangers: hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, even theft of the computer. Any of these can cause the loss of everything on your drive. If you're serious about backup, your backups need to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Newbie Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore Hello, We ask all employee store their data in server. The data backup is not the issue. Workstation only has operating system and application software. If I have a 'clean' image, then this will save me a lot of time when system crash. Do you have any link about this DIY? Thanks "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:56:05 -0700, Newbie > <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > The employer owns the PCs. > > > > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. > > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. > > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition 1. > > Like HP does. > > > If that's your backup scheme, you're kidding yourself. It's better > than no backup at all, but only slightly. > > You're perhaps protecting yourself against the operating system itself > crashing, but that's far from the biggest danger there is to your > data. You need to protect yourself against the more common dangers: > hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, > even theft of the computer. Any of these can cause the loss of > everything on your drive. > > If you're serious about backup, your backups need to be on removable > media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, > for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you > should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those > generations should be stored off-site. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup >
Guest JS Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: Restore It's another (hidden) partition created by Acronis, so it can't! JS "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ukSGA6G5IHA.5048@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Yes it can. It can be stored in the Acronis Secure Zone. > > JS wrote: >> Yes you can, but the Image file can not be located on the same drive >> partition. >> >> You need to store/create the image file to: >> 1) A separate partition on the same drive. >> (not recommended because if the drive fails you lose your image backup) >> 2) To a second internal hard drive. >> (Still some risk if you have a catastrophic failure of the PC) >> 3) Or as most people will recommend to an external hard drive. >> 4) Use Windows Sever to store the image file. >> (I've see it done, but I'm a home user and have no need to) >> >> Norton Ghost >> http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost14 >> >> True Image (has a 15 day trial version available) >> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ >> >> >> JS >> >> >> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>> Hello, >>> >>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >>> them >>> one by one. >>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>> software. >>> >>> Thanks > >
Guest Doug Knox - [MS-MVP] Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore There are a variety of tools out there for creating images of hard disks. One of the simpler and cheaper ones is Image For Windows. You can create an image file on DVD (self restoring) or in unused space on an external USB 2.0 hard disk. Along with it included Image for DOS, you have a fully functional imaging and restore package for about $40. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm -- Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes http://www.dougknox.com -------------------------------- Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm -------------------------------- Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Unsolicited e-mail is not answered. "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:60EDE57A-0ECD-4755-8445-EBB0102EDF0E@microsoft.com... > > Hello, > > We ask all employee store their data in server. The data backup is not the > issue. > Workstation only has operating system and application software. > If I have a 'clean' image, then this will save me a lot of time when > system > crash. > Do you have any link about this DIY? > > Thanks > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:56:05 -0700, Newbie >> <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> > The employer owns the PCs. >> > >> > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. >> > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. >> > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to >> > partition 1. >> > Like HP does. >> >> >> If that's your backup scheme, you're kidding yourself. It's better >> than no backup at all, but only slightly. >> >> You're perhaps protecting yourself against the operating system itself >> crashing, but that's far from the biggest danger there is to your >> data. You need to protect yourself against the more common dangers: >> hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, >> even theft of the computer. Any of these can cause the loss of >> everything on your drive. >> >> If you're serious about backup, your backups need to be on removable >> media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, >> for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you >> should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those >> generations should be stored off-site. >> >> -- >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup >>
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:23:01 -0700, Newbie <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > We ask all employee store their data in server. The data backup is not the > issue. > Workstation only has operating system and application software. > If I have a 'clean' image, then this will save me a lot of time when system > crash. > Do you have any link about this DIY? Sorry, I don't know what you mean by DIY. > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:56:05 -0700, Newbie > > <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > The employer owns the PCs. > > > > > > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. > > > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. > > > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition 1. > > > Like HP does. > > > > > > If that's your backup scheme, you're kidding yourself. It's better > > than no backup at all, but only slightly. > > > > You're perhaps protecting yourself against the operating system itself > > crashing, but that's far from the biggest danger there is to your > > data. You need to protect yourself against the more common dangers: > > hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, > > even theft of the computer. Any of these can cause the loss of > > everything on your drive. > > > > If you're serious about backup, your backups need to be on removable > > media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, > > for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you > > should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those > > generations should be stored off-site. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > > -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Newbie Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore Do It Yourself "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:23:01 -0700, Newbie > <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > We ask all employee store their data in server. The data backup is not the > > issue. > > Workstation only has operating system and application software. > > If I have a 'clean' image, then this will save me a lot of time when system > > crash. > > Do you have any link about this DIY? > > > > Sorry, I don't know what you mean by DIY. > > > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:56:05 -0700, Newbie > > > <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The employer owns the PCs. > > > > > > > > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. > > > > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. > > > > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition 1. > > > > Like HP does. > > > > > > > > > If that's your backup scheme, you're kidding yourself. It's better > > > than no backup at all, but only slightly. > > > > > > You're perhaps protecting yourself against the operating system itself > > > crashing, but that's far from the biggest danger there is to your > > > data. You need to protect yourself against the more common dangers: > > > hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, > > > even theft of the computer. Any of these can cause the loss of > > > everything on your drive. > > > > > > If you're serious about backup, your backups need to be on removable > > > media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, > > > for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you > > > should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those > > > generations should be stored off-site. > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > > > > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore I'm sorry, but it can. True, it is normally hidden and accessible only through Acronis, but that doesn't mean it can't be used! The point being that the images CAN be stored on the same drive, if you're willing to put up with that limitation. JS wrote: > It's another (hidden) partition created by Acronis, so it can't! > > JS > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:ukSGA6G5IHA.5048@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Yes it can. It can be stored in the Acronis Secure Zone. >> >> JS wrote: >>> Yes you can, but the Image file can not be located on the same drive >>> partition. >>> >>> You need to store/create the image file to: >>> 1) A separate partition on the same drive. >>> (not recommended because if the drive fails you lose your image backup) >>> 2) To a second internal hard drive. >>> (Still some risk if you have a catastrophic failure of the PC) >>> 3) Or as most people will recommend to an external hard drive. >>> 4) Use Windows Sever to store the image file. >>> (I've see it done, but I'm a home user and have no need to) >>> >>> Norton Ghost >>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost14 >>> >>> True Image (has a 15 day trial version available) >>> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ >>> >>> >>> JS >>> >>> >>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >>>> them >>>> one by one. >>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>> software. >>>> >>>> Thanks
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore John Barnett MVP wrote: > Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk (including > all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other > applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using Acronis > True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the > Acronis image back to the drive/partition. > > Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up to. > This > doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by a > third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, Unfortunately?? > and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software > installed. OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >> Hello, >> >> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >> them >> one by one. >> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial software. >> >> Thanks
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore Do you work in your company's IT department? Newbie wrote: > The employer owns the PCs. > > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition > 1. > Like HP does. > In this case, we don't have to remove any trial softwares. > > Thanks > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > >> Who owns the machine, you or your employer? >> >> Newbie wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >>> them >>> one by one. >>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>> software. >>> >>> Thanks
Guest Newbie Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore Yes "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > Do you work in your company's IT department? > > Newbie wrote: > > The employer owns the PCs. > > > > We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. > > Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. > > If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition > > 1. > > Like HP does. > > In this case, we don't have to remove any trial softwares. > > > > Thanks > > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > > > >> Who owns the machine, you or your employer? > >> > >> Newbie wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. > >>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. > >>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove > >>> them > >>> one by one. > >>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? > >>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial > >>> software. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately' it is unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning application because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete it. It would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > John Barnett MVP wrote: >> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >> (including >> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other >> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using Acronis >> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the >> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >> >> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up to. >> This >> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by a >> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, > > Unfortunately?? > >> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >> installed. > > OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. > >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>> Hello, >>> >>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >>> them >>> one by one. >>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>> software. >>> >>> Thanks > >
Guest catuslady Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore I found these replys very interesting. My system crashed and I used a restore function. I now have lots of desktop ikons which no longer work. Lots of sample software I deleted years ago and I am very confused about how to proceed. You can tell I need help or direction. -- catuslady
Guest Daave Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore "catuslady" <catuslady_39@verizon.net> wrote in message news:catuslady.3chl4a@no-mx.tabletquestions.com... > > I found these replys very interesting. My system crashed and I used a > restore function. I now have lots of desktop ikons which no longer > work. Lots of sample software I deleted years ago and I am very > confused about how to proceed. You can tell I need help or direction. In the future, please start a new thread (your own) rather than piggyback one an existing on (someone else's). Please define the phrase "used a restore function." You also stated that you now have "lots of sample software I deleted years ago." It sounds like you may have used your PC's (not Windows') function to return to its original fresh-from-factory state. Please see: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/d1230e68abb05b99
Guest JS Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on the same drive partition.". Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. JS "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uNCFD%23J5IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I'm sorry, but it can. True, it is normally hidden and accessible only > through Acronis, but that doesn't mean it can't be used! The point > being that the images CAN be stored on the same drive, if you're willing > to put up with that limitation. > > JS wrote: >> It's another (hidden) partition created by Acronis, so it can't! >> >> JS >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:ukSGA6G5IHA.5048@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Yes it can. It can be stored in the Acronis Secure Zone. >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Yes you can, but the Image file can not be located on the same drive >>>> partition. >>>> >>>> You need to store/create the image file to: >>>> 1) A separate partition on the same drive. >>>> (not recommended because if the drive fails you lose your image backup) >>>> 2) To a second internal hard drive. >>>> (Still some risk if you have a catastrophic failure of the PC) >>>> 3) Or as most people will recommend to an external hard drive. >>>> 4) Use Windows Sever to store the image file. >>>> (I've see it done, but I'm a home user and have no need to) >>>> >>>> Norton Ghost >>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost14 >>>> >>>> True Image (has a 15 day trial version available) >>>> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ >>>> >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> >>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>> remove >>>>> them >>>>> one by one. >>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>> software. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks > >
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore [no comment] Newbie wrote: > Yes > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: >> Do you work in your company's IT department? >> >> Newbie wrote: >>> The employer owns the PCs. >>> >>> We like to setup 2 partitions for each PC. >>> Then backup partition 1 image to partition 2. >>> If system crash, then we can restore image from partition 2 to partition >>> 1. >>> Like HP does. >>> In this case, we don't have to remove any trial softwares. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: >>> >>>> Who owns the machine, you or your employer? >>>> >>>> Newbie wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>> remove >>>>> them >>>>> one by one. >>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>> software. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Restore And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been discussing with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at least some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate drive backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at least some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course you are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it is written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if you can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename was autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is allowed before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want to decide which image to restore). John Barnett MVP wrote: > Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately' it > is > unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning application > because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete it. > It > would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>> (including >>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other >>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using Acronis >>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the >>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>> >>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up to. >>> This >>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by a >>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >> >> Unfortunately?? >> >>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>> installed. >> >> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >> >>> >>> -- >>> John Barnett MVP >>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>> >>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>> any >>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >>> for >>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >>> the >>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>> mail/post.. >>> >>> >>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to remove >>>> them >>>> one by one. >>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>> software. >>>> >>>> Thanks
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Restore When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply telling you that you don't need a file name. When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone for imaging back to the disk. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been discussing > with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at least > some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate drive > backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). > > Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure > Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at least > some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily > identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course you > are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it is > written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if you > can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename was > autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is allowed > before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want to > decide which image to restore). > > John Barnett MVP wrote: >> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately' it >> is >> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning application >> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete it. >> It >> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >> >> -- >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>> (including >>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other >>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>> Acronis >>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the >>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>> >>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up to. >>>> This >>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by a >>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>> >>> Unfortunately?? >>> >>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>> installed. >>> >>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Barnett MVP >>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>> >>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>> >>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>> any >>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>> liable >>>> for >>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>> of >>>> the >>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>> mail/post.. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>> remove >>>>> them >>>>> one by one. >>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>> software. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Restore So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the Secure Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use later (for a restore operation)? Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, then. Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just begging to be used for such storage. :-) Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the Startup Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the process. However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I just exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't know, but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you select that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). John Barnett MVP wrote: > When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply telling > you > that you don't need a file name. > > When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, > basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, > therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone for > imaging back to the disk. > > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been discussing >> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at least >> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate drive >> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >> >> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure >> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at >> least >> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course >> you >> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it is >> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if you >> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename was >> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is allowed >> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want to >> decide which image to restore). >> >> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately' >>> it >>> is >>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning application >>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete >>> it. >>> It >>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> John Barnett MVP >>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>> >>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>> any >>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >>> for >>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >>> the >>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>> mail/post.. >>> >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>> (including >>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other >>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>> Acronis >>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the >>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>> >>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up >>>>> to. >>>>> This >>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by >>>>> a >>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately?? >>>> >>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>>> installed. >>>> >>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>> >>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>> >>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>> any >>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>> accuracy, >>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>> liable >>>>> for >>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>>> mail/post.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>>> remove >>>>>> them >>>>>> one by one. >>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>> software. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks
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