Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Restore Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a full backup. Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you can access the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the first full backup on the secure zone to start the process. Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If there is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that out to my horror some years ago). Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you have sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas the Acronis Secure Zone cannot. Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier to just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that rather than using the Secure Zone. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the Secure > Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use > later (for a restore operation)? > > Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, then. > Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a > pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just > begging to be used for such storage. :-) > > Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the Startup > Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell > system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the > process. > > However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated > space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I just > exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't know, > but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting > that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you select > that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). > > > John Barnett MVP wrote: >> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply telling >> you >> that you don't need a file name. >> >> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, >> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, >> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone for >> imaging back to the disk. >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been discussing >>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at least >>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate drive >>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>> >>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure >>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at >>> least >>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course >>> you >>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it >>> is >>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if you >>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename was >>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>> allowed >>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want >>> to >>> decide which image to restore). >>> >>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately' >>>> it >>>> is >>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>> application >>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete >>>> it. >>>> It >>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Barnett MVP >>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>> >>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>> >>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>> any >>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>> liable >>>> for >>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>> of >>>> the >>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>> mail/post.. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>> (including >>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other >>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>>> Acronis >>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image the >>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up >>>>>> to. >>>>>> This >>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted by >>>>>> a >>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>> >>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>>>> installed. >>>>> >>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>> >>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>> >>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>>> any >>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>> liable >>>>>> for >>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>> this >>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>>>> remove >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>>> software. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Restore John Barnett MVP wrote: > Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different occasions). > and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a > full backup. OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE complete image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited (on just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several images (for different dates). > Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you can > access > the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the first > full > backup on the secure zone to start the process. No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access any one of them for a restore operation later)? > Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If > there > is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that out > to my horror > some years ago). Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary partition) out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move it (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and I don't want to risk losing it, either). > Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup > capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you have > sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas the > Acronis Secure Zone cannot. Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. > Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier to > just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that > rather > than using the Secure Zone. Oh, absolutely!!! And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the USB external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just begging to be used. > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the Secure >> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use >> later (for a restore operation)? >> >> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, then. >> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a >> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just >> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >> >> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the Startup >> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell >> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >> process. >> >> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated >> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I just >> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't >> know, >> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting >> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you select >> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >> >> >> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply telling >>> you >>> that you don't need a file name. >>> >>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, >>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, >>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone >>> for >>> imaging back to the disk. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> John Barnett MVP >>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>> >>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>> any >>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >>> for >>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >>> the >>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>> mail/post.. >>> >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been discussing >>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at >>>> least >>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate >>>> drive >>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>> >>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure >>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at >>>> least >>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course >>>> you >>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it >>>> is >>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if you >>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename >>>> was >>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>> allowed >>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want >>>> to >>>> decide which image to restore). >>>> >>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately' >>>>> it >>>>> is >>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>> application >>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete >>>>> it. >>>>> It >>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>> >>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>> >>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>> any >>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>> accuracy, >>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>> liable >>>>> for >>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>>> mail/post.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>>> (including >>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other >>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up >>>>>>> to. >>>>>>> This >>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>> >>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>>>>> installed. >>>>>> >>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>> liable >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: Restore Bill as I mentioned in my last post without actually testing the Secure Zone to check whether you can actually access multiple backups I can't really comment; however, setting backing up multiple full backups isn't a problem, so I will try it and let you know what happens. As for actually backing up I am not restricting myself to simply 'one' backup. My current backup scenario works as follows: 1 Full backup to Secure Zone on Primary Hard drive 1 Full backup to separate partition on removable hard drive 1 Full backup saved to DVD's (offsite and secure) The DVD backup is kept for around one month before being erased and recreated. The backup on the removable drive is kept for around 2 weeks before being erased and recreated. The backup on the Secure Zone is kept for one or two days before being erased and recreated. So, as you can see, there is always three backups. You might like to contact Dell about the backup partition being 'moved' as, once again, it is something I haven't personally tried. My current desktop is only 8 months old and came with a backup partition and pre-installed with Vista Home Premium. As soon as I got it home I installed Acronis and backed up Home Premium to a set of DVD's. Once that was done I deleted the backup partition and reformatted he whole hard drive. Finally I created a new partition (C: drive) and installed a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. I also have a retail copy of XP Professional running on VMware Workstation Virtual Machine software. Give me a day or so to create a couple of full backups to the Secure Zone and then I'll get back to you with the results of whether you can access 'both' (or more) or jut the latest backup from the secure zone. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ekUQDBt5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > John Barnett MVP wrote: >> Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental > > Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was > talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. > IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different > occasions). > >> and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a >> full backup. > > OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE complete > image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited (on > just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several images > (for different dates). > >> Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you can >> access >> the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the first >> full >> backup on the secure zone to start the process. > > No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential > backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you > saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access any > one of them for a restore operation later)? > >> Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If >> there >> is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that >> out to my horror >> some years ago). > > Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. > > Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary partition) > out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move it > (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and I > don't want to risk losing it, either). > >> Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup >> capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you have >> sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas >> the >> Acronis Secure Zone cannot. > > Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. > >> Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier to >> just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that >> rather >> than using the Secure Zone. > > Oh, absolutely!!! > And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the USB > external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) > > But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just > begging to be used. > > >> >> -- >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the Secure >>> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use >>> later (for a restore operation)? >>> >>> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, then. >>> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a >>> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just >>> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >>> >>> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the >>> Startup >>> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell >>> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >>> process. >>> >>> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated >>> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I just >>> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't >>> know, >>> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting >>> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you select >>> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >>> >>> >>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply >>>> telling >>>> you >>>> that you don't need a file name. >>>> >>>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, >>>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, >>>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone >>>> for >>>> imaging back to the disk. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Barnett MVP >>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>> >>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>> >>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>> any >>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>> liable >>>> for >>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>> of >>>> the >>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>> mail/post.. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been >>>>> discussing >>>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at >>>>> least >>>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate >>>>> drive >>>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>>> >>>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure >>>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at >>>>> least >>>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >>>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course >>>>> you >>>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it >>>>> is >>>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if >>>>> you >>>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename >>>>> was >>>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>>> allowed >>>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want >>>>> to >>>>> decide which image to restore). >>>>> >>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for >>>>>> 'unfortunately' >>>>>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>>> application >>>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete >>>>>> it. >>>>>> It >>>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>> >>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>> >>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>>> any >>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>> liable >>>>>> for >>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>> this >>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>>>> (including >>>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up >>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: Restore John Barnett MVP wrote: > Bill as I mentioned in my last post without actually testing the Secure > Zone > to check whether you can actually access multiple backups I can't really > comment; however, setting backing up multiple full backups isn't a > problem, > so I will try it and let you know what happens. OK, sounds good John. Thanks. More below.. > As for actually backing up I am not restricting myself to simply 'one' > backup. My current backup scenario works as follows: > > 1 Full backup to Secure Zone on Primary Hard drive > 1 Full backup to separate partition on removable hard drive > 1 Full backup saved to DVD's (offsite and secure) > > The DVD backup is kept for around one month before being erased and > recreated. The backup on the removable drive is kept for around 2 weeks > before being erased and recreated. The backup on the Secure Zone is kept > for > one or two days before being erased and recreated. So, as you can see, > there > is always three backups. I see. > You might like to contact Dell about the backup partition being 'moved' > as, > once again, it is something I haven't personally tried. My current desktop > is only 8 months old and came with a backup partition and pre-installed > with > Vista Home Premium. As soon as I got it home I installed Acronis and > backed > up Home Premium to a set of DVD's. Once that was done I deleted the backup > partition and reformatted he whole hard drive. Finally I created a new > partition (C: drive) and installed a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. I also > have a retail copy of XP Professional running on VMware Workstation > Virtual > Machine software. > > Give me a day or so to create a couple of full backups to the Secure Zone > and then I'll get back to you with the results of whether you can access > 'both' (or more) or jut the latest backup from the secure zone. Thanks. It will be interesting to hear. And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in the Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each of image backups when you go to make another backup. > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:ekUQDBt5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>> Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental >> >> Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was >> talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. >> IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different >> occasions). >> >>> and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a >>> full backup. >> >> OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE complete >> image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited (on >> just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several images >> (for different dates). >> >>> Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you >>> can >>> access >>> the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the >>> first >>> full >>> backup on the secure zone to start the process. >> >> No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential >> backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you >> saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access any >> one of them for a restore operation later)? >> >>> Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If >>> there >>> is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that >>> out to my horror >>> some years ago). >> >> Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. >> >> Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary partition) >> out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move it >> (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and I >> don't want to risk losing it, either). >> >>> Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup >>> capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you have >>> sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas >>> the >>> Acronis Secure Zone cannot. >> >> Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. >> >>> Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier >>> to >>> just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that >>> rather >>> than using the Secure Zone. >> >> Oh, absolutely!!! >> And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the USB >> external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) >> >> But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just >> begging to be used. >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> John Barnett MVP >>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>> >>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>> any >>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >>> for >>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >>> the >>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>> mail/post.. >>> >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the Secure >>>> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use >>>> later (for a restore operation)? >>>> >>>> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, >>>> then. >>>> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a >>>> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just >>>> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >>>> >>>> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the >>>> Startup >>>> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell >>>> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >>>> process. >>>> >>>> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated >>>> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I >>>> just >>>> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't >>>> know, >>>> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting >>>> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you select >>>> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >>>> >>>> >>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply >>>>> telling >>>>> you >>>>> that you don't need a file name. >>>>> >>>>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, >>>>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, >>>>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone >>>>> for >>>>> imaging back to the disk. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>> >>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>> >>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>> any >>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>> accuracy, >>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>> liable >>>>> for >>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>>> mail/post.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been >>>>>> discussing >>>>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at >>>>>> least >>>>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate >>>>>> drive >>>>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>>>> >>>>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure >>>>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at >>>>>> least >>>>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >>>>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of >>>>>> course >>>>>> you >>>>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before >>>>>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if >>>>>> you >>>>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename >>>>>> was >>>>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>>>> allowed >>>>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you >>>>>> want >>>>>> to >>>>>> decide which image to restore). >>>>>> >>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for >>>>>>> 'unfortunately' >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>>>> application >>>>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to >>>>>>> delete >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>> liable >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>>>>> (including >>>>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back >>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks
Guest Lee Antony Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: Restore Images in ATI secure zone are identified by date and time. Clicking on an image in the list also shows full or incremental plus any comment you made when creating the image. > And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in the > Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", > without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that > they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some > helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying > comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT > using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an > external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each of > image backups when you go to make another backup.
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore Interesting. And thanks for that info, Lee. And - how are the file names? Can you change them at all before or after the image is created, like you can using external image backups, or are they rigidly pre-assigned and pre-generated, with no override capability whatsoever? (You know, like backup1, backup2, backup3) - and unchangeable. And can you selectively delete some of them within TI, or is it an all or nothing proposition - meaning, you have to keep them all (or delete them all)? Lee Antony wrote: > Images in ATI secure zone are identified by date and time. Clicking on an > image in the list also shows full or incremental plus any comment you made > when creating the image. > >> And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in the >> Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", >> without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that >> they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some >> helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying >> comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT >> using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an >> external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each of >> image backups when you go to make another backup.
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore Bill, It is possible to select a set backup from the Secure Zone. Each backup is auto-named with the ate of the backup followed by the time - for example: 17 July 2008 3:59:52PM. Unfortunately you can't name the file yourself; however you can add a description which will appear in the right hand pane of the restore data wizard. Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure Zone can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! Looks like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:eZns3t35IHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > John Barnett MVP wrote: >> Bill as I mentioned in my last post without actually testing the Secure >> Zone >> to check whether you can actually access multiple backups I can't really >> comment; however, setting backing up multiple full backups isn't a >> problem, >> so I will try it and let you know what happens. > > OK, sounds good John. Thanks. More below.. > >> As for actually backing up I am not restricting myself to simply 'one' >> backup. My current backup scenario works as follows: >> >> 1 Full backup to Secure Zone on Primary Hard drive >> 1 Full backup to separate partition on removable hard drive >> 1 Full backup saved to DVD's (offsite and secure) >> >> The DVD backup is kept for around one month before being erased and >> recreated. The backup on the removable drive is kept for around 2 weeks >> before being erased and recreated. The backup on the Secure Zone is kept >> for >> one or two days before being erased and recreated. So, as you can see, >> there >> is always three backups. > > I see. > >> You might like to contact Dell about the backup partition being 'moved' >> as, >> once again, it is something I haven't personally tried. My current >> desktop >> is only 8 months old and came with a backup partition and pre-installed >> with >> Vista Home Premium. As soon as I got it home I installed Acronis and >> backed >> up Home Premium to a set of DVD's. Once that was done I deleted the >> backup >> partition and reformatted he whole hard drive. Finally I created a new >> partition (C: drive) and installed a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. I >> also >> have a retail copy of XP Professional running on VMware Workstation >> Virtual >> Machine software. >> >> Give me a day or so to create a couple of full backups to the Secure Zone >> and then I'll get back to you with the results of whether you can access >> 'both' (or more) or jut the latest backup from the secure zone. > > Thanks. It will be interesting to hear. > > And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in the > Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", > without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that > they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some > helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying > comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT > using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an > external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each of > image backups when you go to make another backup. > > >> -- >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:ekUQDBt5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>> Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental >>> >>> Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was >>> talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. >>> IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different >>> occasions). >>> >>>> and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a >>>> full backup. >>> >>> OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE complete >>> image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited (on >>> just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several images >>> (for different dates). >>> >>>> Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you >>>> can >>>> access >>>> the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the >>>> first >>>> full >>>> backup on the secure zone to start the process. >>> >>> No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential >>> backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you >>> saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access >>> any >>> one of them for a restore operation later)? >>> >>>> Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If >>>> there >>>> is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that >>>> out to my horror >>>> some years ago). >>> >>> Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. >>> >>> Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary >>> partition) >>> out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move it >>> (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and I >>> don't want to risk losing it, either). >>> >>>> Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup >>>> capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you have >>>> sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas >>>> the >>>> Acronis Secure Zone cannot. >>> >>> Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. >>> >>>> Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier >>>> to >>>> just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that >>>> rather >>>> than using the Secure Zone. >>> >>> Oh, absolutely!!! >>> And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the USB >>> external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) >>> >>> But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just >>> begging to be used. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Barnett MVP >>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>> >>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>> >>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>> any >>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>> liable >>>> for >>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>> of >>>> the >>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>> mail/post.. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the >>>>> Secure >>>>> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use >>>>> later (for a restore operation)? >>>>> >>>>> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, >>>>> then. >>>>> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a >>>>> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just >>>>> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the >>>>> Startup >>>>> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell >>>>> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >>>>> process. >>>>> >>>>> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated >>>>> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I >>>>> just >>>>> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't >>>>> know, >>>>> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting >>>>> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you >>>>> select >>>>> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply >>>>>> telling >>>>>> you >>>>>> that you don't need a file name. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so, >>>>>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis, >>>>>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone >>>>>> for >>>>>> imaging back to the disk. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>> >>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>> >>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>>> any >>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>> liable >>>>>> for >>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>> this >>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been >>>>>>> discussing >>>>>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at >>>>>>> least >>>>>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate >>>>>>> drive >>>>>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the >>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at >>>>>>> least >>>>>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >>>>>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of >>>>>>> course >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> decide which image to restore). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for >>>>>>>> 'unfortunately' >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to >>>>>>>> delete >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>>>>>> (including >>>>>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back >>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be >>>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software >>>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No >>>>>>>>>> warranty >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to >>>>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore John Barnett MVP wrote: > Bill, > > It is possible to select a set backup from the Secure Zone. Each backup is > auto-named with the ate of the backup followed by the time - for example: > 17 > July 2008 3:59:52PM. Ugh. > Unfortunately you can't name the file yourself; Ugh again. > however, you can add a description which will appear in the right hand > pane > of the restore data wizard. Well, at least that part is good. > Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure Zone > can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! > Looks > like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed > delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. Well, what a bummer! Well, this, in conjunction with the other issue I have with the Dell System Restore partition, leads me to believe it's probably best to just forego using the Secure Zone. At least that's the way I see it for now. Thanks. > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:eZns3t35IHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>> Bill as I mentioned in my last post without actually testing the Secure >>> Zone >>> to check whether you can actually access multiple backups I can't really >>> comment; however, setting backing up multiple full backups isn't a >>> problem, >>> so I will try it and let you know what happens. >> >> OK, sounds good John. Thanks. More below.. >> >>> As for actually backing up I am not restricting myself to simply 'one' >>> backup. My current backup scenario works as follows: >>> >>> 1 Full backup to Secure Zone on Primary Hard drive >>> 1 Full backup to separate partition on removable hard drive >>> 1 Full backup saved to DVD's (offsite and secure) >>> >>> The DVD backup is kept for around one month before being erased and >>> recreated. The backup on the removable drive is kept for around 2 weeks >>> before being erased and recreated. The backup on the Secure Zone is kept >>> for >>> one or two days before being erased and recreated. So, as you can see, >>> there >>> is always three backups. >> >> I see. >> >>> You might like to contact Dell about the backup partition being 'moved' >>> as, >>> once again, it is something I haven't personally tried. My current >>> desktop >>> is only 8 months old and came with a backup partition and pre-installed >>> with >>> Vista Home Premium. As soon as I got it home I installed Acronis and >>> backed >>> up Home Premium to a set of DVD's. Once that was done I deleted the >>> backup >>> partition and reformatted he whole hard drive. Finally I created a new >>> partition (C: drive) and installed a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. I >>> also >>> have a retail copy of XP Professional running on VMware Workstation >>> Virtual >>> Machine software. >>> >>> Give me a day or so to create a couple of full backups to the Secure >>> Zone >>> and then I'll get back to you with the results of whether you can access >>> 'both' (or more) or jut the latest backup from the secure zone. >> >> Thanks. It will be interesting to hear. >> >> And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in the >> Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", >> without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that >> they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some >> helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying >> comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT >> using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an >> external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each of >> image backups when you go to make another backup. >> >> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> John Barnett MVP >>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>> >>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>> any >>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >>> for >>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >>> the >>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>> mail/post.. >>> >>> >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:ekUQDBt5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>> Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental >>>> >>>> Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was >>>> talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. >>>> IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different >>>> occasions). >>>> >>>>> and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a >>>>> full backup. >>>> >>>> OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE complete >>>> image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited (on >>>> just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several images >>>> (for different dates). >>>> >>>>> Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you >>>>> can >>>>> access >>>>> the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the >>>>> first >>>>> full >>>>> backup on the secure zone to start the process. >>>> >>>> No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential >>>> backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you >>>> saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access >>>> any >>>> one of them for a restore operation later)? >>>> >>>>> Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If >>>>> there >>>>> is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that >>>>> out to my horror >>>>> some years ago). >>>> >>>> Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. >>>> >>>> Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary >>>> partition) >>>> out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move >>>> it >>>> (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and I >>>> don't want to risk losing it, either). >>>> >>>>> Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup >>>>> capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you >>>>> have >>>>> sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas >>>>> the >>>>> Acronis Secure Zone cannot. >>>> >>>> Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. >>>> >>>>> Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier >>>>> to >>>>> just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that >>>>> rather >>>>> than using the Secure Zone. >>>> >>>> Oh, absolutely!!! >>>> And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the >>>> USB >>>> external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) >>>> >>>> But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just >>>> begging to be used. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>> >>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>> >>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>> any >>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>> accuracy, >>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>> liable >>>>> for >>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>>> mail/post.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to >>>>>> use >>>>>> later (for a restore operation)? >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, >>>>>> then. >>>>>> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's >>>>>> a >>>>>> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just >>>>>> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the >>>>>> Startup >>>>>> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell >>>>>> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >>>>>> process. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated >>>>>> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I >>>>>> just >>>>>> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't >>>>>> know, >>>>>> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore >>>>>> expecting >>>>>> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you >>>>>> select >>>>>> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply >>>>>>> telling >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> that you don't need a file name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental >>>>>>> so, >>>>>>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. >>>>>>> Acronis, >>>>>>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure >>>>>>> zone >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> imaging back to the disk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>> liable >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been >>>>>>>> discussing >>>>>>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at >>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate >>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the >>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily >>>>>>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of >>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the >>>>>>>> filename >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> decide which image to restore). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for >>>>>>>>> 'unfortunately' >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to >>>>>>>>> delete >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>>>>>>> (including >>>>>>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using >>>>>>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just >>>>>>>>>>> re-image >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back >>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be >>>>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning >>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No >>>>>>>>>>> warranty >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages >>>>>>>>>>> arising >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial >>>>>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
Guest Lee Antony Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore Much snipped - see below: >> Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure >> Zone >> can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! >> Looks >> like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed >> delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. > > Well, what a bummer! > Copied from help file Acronis True Image 11.0: The Acronis Secure Zone is available as a location to store backup files as long as there is free space in the Zone. If there is not enough space, older backups will be deleted to create free space. The program uses the following approach to clean up Acronis Secure Zone: If there is not enough free space in the zone to create a backup, the program deletes the oldest full backup with all subsequent incremental/differential backups. If there is only one full backup (with subsequent incremental/differential backups) left and a full backup is in progress, then the old full backup and incremental/differential backups are deleted. If you are in the process of creating an image and there is not enough free space, you will get an error message. In that case, you will have to increase the size of the Acronis Secure Zone and then run the backup operation again. Thus, you can back up data automatically on a schedule, and not worry about zone overflow issues. However, if you keep long chains of incremental backups, it will be good practice to periodically check the zone free space, indicated on the second page of the Manage Acronis Secure Zone Wizard.
Guest Moi Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore Surely, external hard disks are so cheap now that it makes sense to do your Acronic imaging to an external hard disk? "Lee Antony" <leemailx-msnews1@yahoo.co.k> wrote in message news:eDdaOIF6IHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Much snipped - see below: > >>> Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure >>> Zone >>> can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! >>> Looks >>> like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed >>> delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. >> >> Well, what a bummer! >> > > Copied from help file Acronis True Image 11.0: > > The Acronis Secure Zone is available as a location to store backup files > as long as there is free space in the Zone. If there is not enough space, > older backups will be deleted to create free space. The program uses the > following approach to clean up Acronis Secure Zone: > > If there is not enough free space in the zone to create a backup, the > program deletes the oldest full backup with all subsequent > incremental/differential backups. > > If there is only one full backup (with subsequent incremental/differential > backups) left and a full backup is in progress, then the old full backup > and incremental/differential backups are deleted. > > If you are in the process of creating an image and there is not enough > free space, you will get an error message. In that case, you will have to > increase the size of the Acronis Secure Zone and then run the backup > operation again. > > Thus, you can back up data automatically on a schedule, and not worry > about zone overflow issues. However, if you keep long chains of > incremental backups, it will be good practice to periodically check the > zone free space, indicated on the second page of the Manage Acronis Secure > Zone Wizard. > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore Yes, I knew that already Lee (read it before), but thanks for posting it anyways. It's what it didn't say - that it left out, that I was addressing here. Like the things that you and John brought out. Thanks. Lee Antony wrote: > Much snipped - see below: > >>> Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure >>> Zone >>> can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! >>> Looks >>> like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed >>> delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. >> >> Well, what a bummer! >> > > Copied from help file Acronis True Image 11.0: > > The Acronis Secure Zone is available as a location to store backup files > as > long as there is free space in the Zone. If there is not enough space, > older > backups will be deleted to create free space. The program uses the > following > approach to clean up Acronis Secure Zone: > > If there is not enough free space in the zone to create a backup, the > program deletes the oldest full backup with all subsequent > incremental/differential backups. > > If there is only one full backup (with subsequent incremental/differential > backups) left and a full backup is in progress, then the old full backup > and > incremental/differential backups are deleted. > > If you are in the process of creating an image and there is not enough > free > space, you will get an error message. In that case, you will have to > increase the size of the Acronis Secure Zone and then run the backup > operation again. > > Thus, you can back up data automatically on a schedule, and not worry > about > zone overflow issues. However, if you keep long chains of incremental > backups, it will be good practice to periodically check the zone free > space, > indicated on the second page of the Manage Acronis Secure Zone Wizard.
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore Normally, yes. However, for just doing a quick backup and restore for some software testing, there is a significant speed penalty in doing that (I'm talking about using the external USB enclosure drives). Moi wrote: > Surely, external hard disks are so cheap now that it makes sense to do > your > Acronic imaging to an external hard disk? > > "Lee Antony" <leemailx-msnews1@yahoo.co.k> wrote in message > news:eDdaOIF6IHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Much snipped - see below: >> >>>> Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure >>>> Zone >>>> can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! >>>> Looks >>>> like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed >>>> delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. >>> >>> Well, what a bummer! >>> >> >> Copied from help file Acronis True Image 11.0: >> >> The Acronis Secure Zone is available as a location to store backup files >> as long as there is free space in the Zone. If there is not enough space, >> older backups will be deleted to create free space. The program uses the >> following approach to clean up Acronis Secure Zone: >> >> If there is not enough free space in the zone to create a backup, the >> program deletes the oldest full backup with all subsequent >> incremental/differential backups. >> >> If there is only one full backup (with subsequent >> incremental/differential >> backups) left and a full backup is in progress, then the old full backup >> and incremental/differential backups are deleted. >> >> If you are in the process of creating an image and there is not enough >> free space, you will get an error message. In that case, you will have to >> increase the size of the Acronis Secure Zone and then run the backup >> operation again. >> >> Thus, you can back up data automatically on a schedule, and not worry >> about zone overflow issues. However, if you keep long chains of >> incremental backups, it will be good practice to periodically check the >> zone free space, indicated on the second page of the Manage Acronis >> Secure >> Zone Wizard.
Guest Daave Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Restore "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:%23EBff6F6IHA.300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Normally, yes. However, for just doing a quick backup and restore > for some software testing, there is a significant speed penalty in > doing that (I'm talking about using the external USB enclosure > drives). Fortunately, eSATA drives are affordable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822161044 No speed penalty whatsoever. :-)
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Yeah, I've heard about that, but I've been putting it off. But maybe it's getting close to that time to take a look. :-) Daave wrote: > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:%23EBff6F6IHA.300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Normally, yes. However, for just doing a quick backup and restore >> for some software testing, there is a significant speed penalty in >> doing that (I'm talking about using the external USB enclosure >> drives). > > Fortunately, eSATA drives are affordable: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822161044 > > No speed penalty whatsoever. :-)
Guest Nonny Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: > In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on the > same drive > partition.". > > Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him this and he might catch on.
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Nonny wrote: > On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: >> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on the >> same drive partition.". >> >> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. > > Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him > this and he might catch on. This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical)
Guest Nonny Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore On Jul 17, 10:11 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Nonny wrote: > > On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: > >> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on the > >> same drive partition.". > > >> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. > > > Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him > > this and he might catch on. > > This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so > who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical) But in your typical fashion, you never admitted that you were wrong and that JS was right.
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Nonny wrote: > On Jul 17, 10:11 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> > wrote: >> Nonny wrote: >>> On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: >>>> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on >>>> the >>>> same drive partition.". >> >>>> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. >> >>> Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him >>> this and he might catch on. >> >> This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so >> who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical) > > But in your typical fashion, you never admitted that you were wrong > and that JS was right. Maybe I was trying to emulate you, for some occasions?
Guest JS Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Nonny, There are no apologies necessary from Bill, I have been following the entire thread over the last few days and Bill has asked some very good questions about Acronis. I use Ghost which (at least my older version) does not have the feature quoted by Lee: "If there is not enough space, older backups will be deleted to create free space." JS "Nonny" <i.m.nonnymous@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2ca53b06-9a78-4dbf-acc2-2007de83d837@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Jul 17, 10:11 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Nonny wrote: > > On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: > >> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on > >> the > >> same drive partition.". > > >> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. > > > Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him > > this and he might catch on. > > This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so > who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical) But in your typical fashion, you never admitted that you were wrong and that JS was right.
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore With a segue like that, how can I refuse? OK, I apologize. :-) JS wrote: > Nonny, > > There are no apologies necessary from Bill, I have been following the > entire > thread over the last few days and Bill has asked some very good questions > about Acronis. > > I use Ghost which (at least my older version) does not have the feature > quoted by Lee: "If there is not enough space, older backups will be > deleted > to create free space." > > JS > > > "Nonny" <i.m.nonnymous@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:2ca53b06-9a78-4dbf-acc2-2007de83d837@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 10:11 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> > wrote: >> Nonny wrote: >>> On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: >>>> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on >>>> the >>>> same drive partition.". >> >>>> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. >> >>> Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him >>> this and he might catch on. >> >> This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so >> who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical) > > But in your typical fashion, you never admitted that you were wrong > and that JS was right.
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Sorry Acronis Secure Zone isn't for you; still a removable drive is just as good. On the subject of removable drives, my drive is actually an old ATA drive I removed from my old PC prior to disposing of it. This ATA drive I installed into a portable hard drive case (USB 2.0). My desktop machine has SATA drives and, as I've pointed out before, one backup copy of the operating system is stored on a Partition on one of the internal hard drives and another on the removable drive. I have actually re-installed the operating system from both of these backups and, although I haven't timed everything to the last second, I should say, from my experience, that there is only 'around' a 2 or 3 minute difference in the time it takes to re-image the drive back between the SATA and the IDE. Not having the exact figures in front of me, it usually takes around 15 minutes to re-image my drive from the internal SATA and around 18 minutes from the removable IDE drive. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:eDzcVJE6IHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > John Barnett MVP wrote: >> Bill, >> >> It is possible to select a set backup from the Secure Zone. Each backup >> is >> auto-named with the ate of the backup followed by the time - for example: >> 17 >> July 2008 3:59:52PM. > > Ugh. > >> Unfortunately you can't name the file yourself; > > Ugh again. > >> however, you can add a description which will appear in the right hand >> pane >> of the restore data wizard. > > Well, at least that part is good. > >> Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure >> Zone >> can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! >> Looks >> like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed >> delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. > > Well, what a bummer! > > Well, this, in conjunction with the other issue I have with the Dell > System Restore partition, leads me to believe it's probably best to just > forego using the Secure Zone. > At least that's the way I see it for now. Thanks. > >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:eZns3t35IHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>> Bill as I mentioned in my last post without actually testing the Secure >>>> Zone >>>> to check whether you can actually access multiple backups I can't >>>> really >>>> comment; however, setting backing up multiple full backups isn't a >>>> problem, >>>> so I will try it and let you know what happens. >>> >>> OK, sounds good John. Thanks. More below.. >>> >>>> As for actually backing up I am not restricting myself to simply 'one' >>>> backup. My current backup scenario works as follows: >>>> >>>> 1 Full backup to Secure Zone on Primary Hard drive >>>> 1 Full backup to separate partition on removable hard drive >>>> 1 Full backup saved to DVD's (offsite and secure) >>>> >>>> The DVD backup is kept for around one month before being erased and >>>> recreated. The backup on the removable drive is kept for around 2 weeks >>>> before being erased and recreated. The backup on the Secure Zone is >>>> kept >>>> for >>>> one or two days before being erased and recreated. So, as you can see, >>>> there >>>> is always three backups. >>> >>> I see. >>> >>>> You might like to contact Dell about the backup partition being 'moved' >>>> as, >>>> once again, it is something I haven't personally tried. My current >>>> desktop >>>> is only 8 months old and came with a backup partition and pre-installed >>>> with >>>> Vista Home Premium. As soon as I got it home I installed Acronis and >>>> backed >>>> up Home Premium to a set of DVD's. Once that was done I deleted the >>>> backup >>>> partition and reformatted he whole hard drive. Finally I created a new >>>> partition (C: drive) and installed a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. I >>>> also >>>> have a retail copy of XP Professional running on VMware Workstation >>>> Virtual >>>> Machine software. >>>> >>>> Give me a day or so to create a couple of full backups to the Secure >>>> Zone >>>> and then I'll get back to you with the results of whether you can >>>> access >>>> 'both' (or more) or jut the latest backup from the secure zone. >>> >>> Thanks. It will be interesting to hear. >>> >>> And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in >>> the >>> Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", >>> without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that >>> they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some >>> helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying >>> comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT >>> using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an >>> external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each of >>> image backups when you go to make another backup. >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Barnett MVP >>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>> >>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>> >>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>> any >>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>> liable >>>> for >>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>> of >>>> the >>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>> mail/post.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ekUQDBt5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>> Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental >>>>> >>>>> Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was >>>>> talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. >>>>> IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different >>>>> occasions). >>>>> >>>>>> and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing >>>>>> a >>>>>> full backup. >>>>> >>>>> OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE >>>>> complete >>>>> image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited >>>>> (on >>>>> just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several >>>>> images >>>>> (for different dates). >>>>> >>>>>> Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you >>>>>> can >>>>>> access >>>>>> the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the >>>>>> first >>>>>> full >>>>>> backup on the secure zone to start the process. >>>>> >>>>> No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential >>>>> backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you >>>>> saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access >>>>> any >>>>> one of them for a restore operation later)? >>>>> >>>>>> Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. >>>>>> If >>>>>> there >>>>>> is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found >>>>>> that >>>>>> out to my horror >>>>>> some years ago). >>>>> >>>>> Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. >>>>> >>>>> Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary >>>>> partition) >>>>> out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move >>>>> it >>>>> (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and >>>>> I >>>>> don't want to risk losing it, either). >>>>> >>>>>> Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup >>>>>> capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you >>>>>> have >>>>>> sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, >>>>>> whereas >>>>>> the >>>>>> Acronis Secure Zone cannot. >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. >>>>> >>>>>> Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is >>>>>> easier >>>>>> to >>>>>> just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that >>>>>> rather >>>>>> than using the Secure Zone. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, absolutely!!! >>>>> And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the >>>>> USB >>>>> external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) >>>>> >>>>> But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just >>>>> begging to be used. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>> >>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>> >>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>>> any >>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>> liable >>>>>> for >>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>> this >>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the >>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> later (for a restore operation)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, >>>>>>> then. >>>>>>> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just >>>>>>> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the >>>>>>> Startup >>>>>>> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my >>>>>>> Dell >>>>>>> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >>>>>>> process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated >>>>>>> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't >>>>>>> know, >>>>>>> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore >>>>>>> expecting >>>>>>> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you >>>>>>> select >>>>>>> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply >>>>>>>> telling >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> that you don't need a file name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental >>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. >>>>>>>> Acronis, >>>>>>>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure >>>>>>>> zone >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> imaging back to the disk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been >>>>>>>>> discussing >>>>>>>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at >>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate >>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the >>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can >>>>>>>>> readily >>>>>>>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of >>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image >>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the >>>>>>>>> filename >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> decide which image to restore). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for >>>>>>>>>> 'unfortunately' >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to >>>>>>>>>> delete >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No >>>>>>>>>> warranty >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk >>>>>>>>>>>> (including >>>>>>>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition >>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just >>>>>>>>>>>> re-image >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to >>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be >>>>>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning >>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No >>>>>>>>>>>> warranty >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages >>>>>>>>>>>> arising >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without >>>>>>>>>>>>> trial >>>>>>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >
Guest JS Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Thanks, you have me interested enough to try True Image on a PC I'm getting ready to perform some testing on so I might as well test True Image as well. JS "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uhcp0zP6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > With a segue like that, how can I refuse? OK, I apologize. :-) > > JS wrote: >> Nonny, >> >> There are no apologies necessary from Bill, I have been following the >> entire >> thread over the last few days and Bill has asked some very good questions >> about Acronis. >> >> I use Ghost which (at least my older version) does not have the feature >> quoted by Lee: "If there is not enough space, older backups will be >> deleted >> to create free space." >> >> JS >> >> >> "Nonny" <i.m.nonnymous@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:2ca53b06-9a78-4dbf-acc2-2007de83d837@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 17, 10:11 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> >> wrote: >>> Nonny wrote: >>>> On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: >>>>> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on >>>>> the >>>>> same drive partition.". >>> >>>>> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. >>> >>>> Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him >>>> this and he might catch on. >>> >>> This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so >>> who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical) >> >> But in your typical fashion, you never admitted that you were wrong >> and that JS was right. > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore Well, I went ahead and just bought an eSATA external HD enclosure, adapter, and drive, so we'll see how that works out. I bought a Vantec external HD enclosure. I've had good luck with Vantec external HD enclosures before, and just love its simplicity. (The only disadvantage being: it's a bit of a pain to remove or replace the drive inside, but fortunately, that is rarely needed). As for the Secure Zone, I think it's too potentially too problematic for me to really consider using, so that's why I did this. Plus of course it's better to have backups on another drive, anyway. But I *am* expecting it to be much faster than using the USB 2.0 external now. Theoretically, SATA is 6 times faster (not sure if that's for SATA-1 or SATA-2). So this should be as fast as if I added the second drive internally. I just don't need a second internal drive at this point. :-) It is interesting to note below that you didn't see much speed difference, however. I would expect SATA or eSATA to be significantly faster than anything done through USB 2.0, however. USB 2.0 is limited to 480 Mbps, as I recall, and SATA to 6000 Mbps. John Barnett MVP wrote: > Sorry Acronis Secure Zone isn't for you; still a removable drive is just > as > good. On the subject of removable drives, my drive is actually an old ATA > drive I removed from my old PC prior to disposing of it. This ATA drive I > installed into a portable hard drive case (USB 2.0). > > My desktop machine has SATA drives and, as I've pointed out before, one > backup copy of the operating system is stored on a Partition on one of the > internal hard drives and another on the removable drive. I have actually > re-installed the operating system from both of these backups and, although > I > haven't timed everything to the last second, I should say, from my > experience, that there is only 'around' a 2 or 3 minute difference in the > time it takes to re-image the drive back between the SATA and the IDE. Not > having the exact figures in front of me, it usually takes around 15 > minutes > to re-image my drive from the internal SATA and around 18 minutes from the > removable IDE drive. > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:eDzcVJE6IHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>> Bill, >>> >>> It is possible to select a set backup from the Secure Zone. Each backup >>> is >>> auto-named with the ate of the backup followed by the time - for >>> example: >>> 17 >>> July 2008 3:59:52PM. >> >> Ugh. >> >>> Unfortunately you can't name the file yourself; >> >> Ugh again. >> >>> however, you can add a description which will appear in the right hand >>> pane >>> of the restore data wizard. >> >> Well, at least that part is good. >> >>> Looking at your reply to Lee, you also asked if the backups in Secure >>> Zone >>> can be deleted. From what I can see he straight answer to that is No! >>> Looks >>> like if you want to delete anything you are going to have to completed >>> delete the secure zone and recreate a new one. >> >> Well, what a bummer! >> >> Well, this, in conjunction with the other issue I have with the Dell >> System Restore partition, leads me to believe it's probably best to just >> forego using the Secure Zone. >> At least that's the way I see it for now. Thanks. >> >>> >>> -- >>> John Barnett MVP >>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>> >>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>> any >>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >>> for >>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >>> the >>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>> mail/post.. >>> >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:eZns3t35IHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>> Bill as I mentioned in my last post without actually testing the >>>>> Secure >>>>> Zone >>>>> to check whether you can actually access multiple backups I can't >>>>> really >>>>> comment; however, setting backing up multiple full backups isn't a >>>>> problem, >>>>> so I will try it and let you know what happens. >>>> >>>> OK, sounds good John. Thanks. More below.. >>>> >>>>> As for actually backing up I am not restricting myself to simply 'one' >>>>> backup. My current backup scenario works as follows: >>>>> >>>>> 1 Full backup to Secure Zone on Primary Hard drive >>>>> 1 Full backup to separate partition on removable hard drive >>>>> 1 Full backup saved to DVD's (offsite and secure) >>>>> >>>>> The DVD backup is kept for around one month before being erased and >>>>> recreated. The backup on the removable drive is kept for around 2 >>>>> weeks >>>>> before being erased and recreated. The backup on the Secure Zone is >>>>> kept >>>>> for >>>>> one or two days before being erased and recreated. So, as you can see, >>>>> there >>>>> is always three backups. >>>> >>>> I see. >>>> >>>>> You might like to contact Dell about the backup partition being >>>>> 'moved' >>>>> as, >>>>> once again, it is something I haven't personally tried. My current >>>>> desktop >>>>> is only 8 months old and came with a backup partition and >>>>> pre-installed >>>>> with >>>>> Vista Home Premium. As soon as I got it home I installed Acronis and >>>>> backed >>>>> up Home Premium to a set of DVD's. Once that was done I deleted the >>>>> backup >>>>> partition and reformatted he whole hard drive. Finally I created a new >>>>> partition (C: drive) and installed a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. I >>>>> also >>>>> have a retail copy of XP Professional running on VMware Workstation >>>>> Virtual >>>>> Machine software. >>>>> >>>>> Give me a day or so to create a couple of full backups to the Secure >>>>> Zone >>>>> and then I'll get back to you with the results of whether you can >>>>> access >>>>> 'both' (or more) or jut the latest backup from the secure zone. >>>> >>>> Thanks. It will be interesting to hear. >>>> >>>> And also just how the backups are differerentiated from each other in >>>> the >>>> Secure Zone. I'm assuming they are "autonamed or autonumbered", >>>> without having any identifying comments that you can ever see, so that >>>> they'd be pretty hard to really identify, (unless you have written some >>>> helpful identifying info down somewhere else, with a short identifying >>>> comment as to what each backup was for). Just like when you're NOT >>>> using the Secure Zone, but just using Acronis to make backups on an >>>> external drive, and then you ARE able to see the comment line on each >>>> of >>>> image backups when you go to make another backup. >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>> >>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>> >>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >>>>> any >>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>> accuracy, >>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>> liable >>>>> for >>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >>>>> mail/post.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:ekUQDBt5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>> Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental >>>>>> >>>>>> Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I >>>>>> was >>>>>> talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. >>>>>> IOW, multiple images from different dates (for potentially different >>>>>> occasions). >>>>>> >>>>>>> and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> full backup. >>>>>> >>>>>> OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE >>>>>> complete >>>>>> image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited >>>>>> (on >>>>>> just storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several >>>>>> images >>>>>> (for different dates). >>>>>> >>>>>>> Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> access >>>>>>> the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> full >>>>>>> backup on the secure zone to start the process. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential >>>>>> backups, John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you >>>>>> saying you can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access >>>>>> any >>>>>> one of them for a restore operation later)? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> out to my horror >>>>>>> some years ago). >>>>>> >>>>>> Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary >>>>>> partition) >>>>>> out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move >>>>>> it >>>>>> (but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't want to risk losing it, either). >>>>>> >>>>>>> Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup >>>>>>> capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, >>>>>>> whereas >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Acronis Secure Zone cannot. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is >>>>>>> easier >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>> than using the Secure Zone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, absolutely!!! >>>>>> And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the >>>>>> USB >>>>>> external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower) >>>>>> >>>>>> But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just >>>>>> begging to be used. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>> liable >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uZu2TWe5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the >>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>> Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> later (for a restore operation)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. >>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> begging to be used for such storage. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the >>>>>>>> Startup >>>>>>>> Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my >>>>>>>> Dell >>>>>>>> system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the >>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB >>>>>>>> unallocated >>>>>>>> space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> know, >>>>>>>> but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore >>>>>>>> expecting >>>>>>>> that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you >>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>> that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>> When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply >>>>>>>>> telling >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> that you don't need a file name. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental >>>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>>> basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. >>>>>>>>> Acronis, >>>>>>>>> therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure >>>>>>>>> zone >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> imaging back to the disk. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:euGrxjT5IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been >>>>>>>>>> discussing >>>>>>>>>> with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the >>>>>>>>>> alternate >>>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>>>> backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the >>>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>>> Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can >>>>>>>>>> readily >>>>>>>>>> identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of >>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> are able to type in a brief description for the backup image >>>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the >>>>>>>>>> filename >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is >>>>>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>>>>> before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you >>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> decide which image to restore). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for >>>>>>>>>>> 'unfortunately' >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning >>>>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>>> because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to >>>>>>>>>>> delete >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>> would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No >>>>>>>>>>> warranty >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages >>>>>>>>>>> arising >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:#sDwV$J5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery >>>>>>>>>>>>> disk >>>>>>>>>>>>> (including >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any >>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>> applications you don't want and image your drive/partition >>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>> Acronis >>>>>>>>>>>>> True Image. If you then experience any problems you just >>>>>>>>>>>>> re-image >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Acronis image back to the drive/partition. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be >>>>>>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately?? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning >>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Associate Expert >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No >>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> accuracy, >>>>>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> liable >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages >>>>>>>>>>>>> arising >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Newbie" <Newbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:E05C5573-17F0-4543-98A8-042DAEC666D4@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If system crash then we can restore back with disk image. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one by one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the system crash again then I can restore back without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore I've had great luck with Acronis True Image 11. I'm just staying away from using its Secure Zone capability (only needed if using the same drive to store backup images), and the potential headaches, therein - but for external backups and restores, it's been great. I use it quite frequently to backup (and sometimes restore after some software tests!) the entire C: partition, which contains all of my programs, data, and windows, of course (everything except for some large collections of audio and video files which are each on their own respective partitions). I purchased Acronis True Image in the box, since that way it comes on its own Boot CD, which you can use should windows have a problem in booting up. (You can make one if you don't, but this was easier for me. :-) JS wrote: > Thanks, you have me interested enough to try True Image on a PC I'm > getting > ready to perform some testing on so I might as well test True Image as > well. > > JS > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uhcp0zP6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> With a segue like that, how can I refuse? OK, I apologize. :-) >> >> JS wrote: >>> Nonny, >>> >>> There are no apologies necessary from Bill, I have been following the >>> entire >>> thread over the last few days and Bill has asked some very good >>> questions >>> about Acronis. >>> >>> I use Ghost which (at least my older version) does not have the feature >>> quoted by Lee: "If there is not enough space, older backups will be >>> deleted >>> to create free space." >>> >>> JS >>> >>> >>> "Nonny" <i.m.nonnymous@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:2ca53b06-9a78-4dbf-acc2-2007de83d837@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 17, 10:11 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>> On Jul 13, 10:03 am, "JS" <@> wrote: >>>>>> In my original post I said "but the Image file can not be located on >>>>>> the >>>>>> same drive partition.". >>>> >>>>>> Yes it can be on the same drive, just not the same partition. >>>> >>>>> Bill is old and has attention problems. A few more times telling him >>>>> this and he might catch on. >>>> >>>> This was already addressed days ago. You're 4 days behind the times, so >>>> who really has the attention problem here? (rhetorical) >>> >>> But in your typical fashion, you never admitted that you were wrong >>> and that JS was right.
Guest Unknown Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Restore What speed penalty? There isn't any. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:%23GZ64ZH6IHA.2220@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Yeah, I've heard about that, but I've been putting it off. But maybe > it's getting close to that time to take a look. :-) > > Daave wrote: >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:%23EBff6F6IHA.300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Normally, yes. However, for just doing a quick backup and restore >>> for some software testing, there is a significant speed penalty in >>> doing that (I'm talking about using the external USB enclosure >>> drives). >> >> Fortunately, eSATA drives are affordable: >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822161044 >> >> No speed penalty whatsoever. :-) > >
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