Missing "System" file

[Guest Alberto]

I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when

encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

everyone's posts.

My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, I

was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have

scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have come

up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

 

Thanks

[Guest Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're

probably not going to get much help.

 

--

Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart

Display\Security

Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes

http://www.dougknox.com

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Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro

http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm

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Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.

Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

 

"Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com...

>I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when

> encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

> everyone's posts.

> My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

> months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras,

> I

> was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

> problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have

> scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have

> come

> up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

>

> Thanks

[Guest Alberto]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System

 

"Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote:

> Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're

> probably not going to get much help.

>

> --

> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart

> Display\Security

> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes

> http://www.dougknox.com

> --------------------------------

> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro

> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm

> --------------------------------

> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.

> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

>

> "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com...

> >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when

> > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

> > everyone's posts.

> > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

> > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras,

> > I

> > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

> > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have

> > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have

> > come

> > up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

> >

> > Thanks

>

[Guest JF]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

*Bonjour Alberto * !

<news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com>

> I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when

> encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

> everyone's posts.

 

I hope you use ERUNT !

http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

http://www.google.com/search?q=ERUNT+%7Etip

> My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

> months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, I

> was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

> problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have

> scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have come

> up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

> Thanks

 

SYSTEM is a Registry file

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

 

For information, the sentence :

"By default, Recovery Console has limited folder access

and cannot copy files from the System Volume folder"

*is false*

http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png

 

With Erunt you dont need to do all these.

 

Did you make a CHKDSK /R recently ?

So do it :

Start>Execute>chkdsk /r

Accept ... and restart.

Wait ... wait ... wait ... can be 1/2 to few hours.

 

Active SMART into the BIOS and watch that disk

http://crystalmark.info/?lang=en

 

--

Salutations, Jean-François.

[Guest philo]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

 

"Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:08F33D29-3E1F-4D76-99F1-8234D3066D57@microsoft.com...

> Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System

 

That's a very bad sign...

 

run the manufacturer's harddrive diagnostic

and also run a RAM test.

 

Additionally, you may want to check the harddrive for excess temperature

 

 

>

> "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote:

>

> > Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're

> > probably not going to get much help.

> >

> > --

> > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart

> > Display\Security

> > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes

> > http://www.dougknox.com

> > --------------------------------

> > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro

> > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm

> > --------------------------------

> > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.

> > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

> >

> > "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com...

> > >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity

when

> > > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

> > > everyone's posts.

> > > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

> > > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital

cameras,

> > > I

> > > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

> > > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I

have

> > > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which

have

> > > come

> > > up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> >

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

JF wrote:

> *Bonjour Alberto * !

> <news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com>

>

>> I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity

>> when encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I

>> appreciate everyone's posts.

>

>

> I hope you use ERUNT !

> http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

> http://www.google.com/search?q=ERUNT+%7Etip

>

>> My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

>> months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital

>> cameras, I was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB

>> ports is a problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could

>> do this? I have scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware

>> program which have come up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

>

>

>> Thanks

>

>

> SYSTEM is a Registry file

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

>

> For information, the sentence :

> "By default, Recovery Console has limited folder access

> and cannot copy files from the System Volume folder"

> *is false*

> http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png

 

That is not false, it is true. For security reasons file access in the

Recovery Console is limited to the root folders and to the %Systemroot%

folder and its subfolders. This behaviour can be changed by a registry

edit or via Group Policies, if the changes were not made the Recovery

Console will not have access to the System Volume folder.

 

John

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

Registry troubleshooting steps for advanced users

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822705

 

John

 

Alberto wrote:

> Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System

>

> "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote:

>

>

>>Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're

>>probably not going to get much help.

>>

>>--

>>Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart

>>Display\Security

>>Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes

>>http://www.dougknox.com

>>--------------------------------

>>Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro

>>http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm

>>--------------------------------

>>Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.

>>Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

>>

>>"Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com...

>>

>>>I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when

>>>encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

>>>everyone's posts.

>>>My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

>>>months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras,

>>>I

>>>was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

>>>problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have

>>>scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have

>>>come

>>>up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

>>>

>>>Thanks

>>

[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

Alberto wrote:

> Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System

>

 

 

How to Troubleshoot Registry Corruption Issues

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;822705

 

 

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[Guest JF]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

*Bonjour John John (MVP) * !

<news:OIloucO5IHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> JF wrote:

>> *Bonjour Alberto * !

>> <news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com>

>>

>>> I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when

>>> encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

>>> everyone's posts.

>>

>> I hope you use ERUNT !

>> http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

>> http://www.google.com/search?q=ERUNT+%7Etip

>>

>>> My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

>>> months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras,

>>> I was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

>>> problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have

>>> scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have

>>> come up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

>>

>>> Thanks

>>

>> SYSTEM is a Registry file

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

>>

>> For information, the sentence :

>> "By default, Recovery Console has limited folder access

>> and cannot copy files from the System Volume folder"

>> *is false*

>> http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png

> That is not false, it is true. For security reasons file access in the

> Recovery Console is limited to the root folders and to the %Systemroot%

> folder and its subfolders. This behaviour can be changed by a registry edit

> or via Group Policies, if the changes were not made the Recovery Console will

> not have access to the System Volume folder.

> John

 

Sorry, you're wrong. I know all that. Look :

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Setup\RecoveryConsole

SecurityLevel=0

SetCommand=0

 

And now try this from the Recovery Console ==>

(you *dont need* to type SET AllowAllPaths = TRUE)

 

CD \

CD "SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION"

DIR

 

==>

http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png

 

*Why dont you try* ?

 

We proved that SVI is accessible since SP1 for the Recovery Console ==>

http://fspsa.free.fr/cdr-svi-accessible.htm

Microsoft has been noticed to modify KB307545

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

 

Confirmation by Mark Russinovich :

Microsoft Windows Internals: Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Windows XP,

and Windows 2000, Fourth Edition by Mark E. Russinovich and David A.

Solomon Microsoft Press © 2005

http://microsofteref.books24x7.com/viewer.asp?bookid=10479&chunkid=936576450

"If you're running Windows XP and System Restore is enabled (System

Restore is discussed in Chapter 12) , you can often obtain a more

recent backup of the registry hives, including the System hive, from

the most recent restore point. However, you may not be able to access

the directory in which restores points are stored, \System Volume

Information, from within the Recovery Console. *Windows XP Service Pack

1 Versions of the Recovery Console allow access to that directory*, but

older versions do not unless the system's local security policy allows

it."

 

So for a long time now we use this method to help people with Registry

problems : http://fspsa.free.fr/cdr-svi.htm

 

Easier of course with a BARTPE, which

doesn't know restrictions about SVI

http://www.ubcd4win.com

 

--

Salutations, Jean-François.

[Guest Alberto]

Re: Missing "System" file

 

Thanks, I will see what diagnostics eMachines has to offer on the disk. How

would I run a check on the RAM? I've never tried it before, but it could be

an issue.

 

 

"philo" wrote:

>

> "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:08F33D29-3E1F-4D76-99F1-8234D3066D57@microsoft.com...

> > Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System

>

> That's a very bad sign...

>

> run the manufacturer's harddrive diagnostic

> and also run a RAM test.

>

> Additionally, you may want to check the harddrive for excess temperature

>

>

>

> >

> > "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote:

> >

> > > Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're

> > > probably not going to get much help.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart

> > > Display\Security

> > > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes

> > > http://www.dougknox.com

> > > --------------------------------

> > > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro

> > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm

> > > --------------------------------

> > > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.

> > > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

> > >

> > > "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com...

> > > >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity

> when

> > > > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate

> > > > everyone's posts.

> > > > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3

> > > > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital

> cameras,

> > > > I

> > > > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a

> > > > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I

> have

> > > > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which

> have

> > > > come

> > > > up with nothing. What should I be looking for?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > >

>

>

>