Guest Alberto Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate everyone's posts. My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, I was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have come up with nothing. What should I be looking for? Thanks
Guest Doug Knox - [MS-MVP] Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're probably not going to get much help. -- Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes http://www.dougknox.com -------------------------------- Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm -------------------------------- Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Unsolicited e-mail is not answered. "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com... >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate > everyone's posts. > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, > I > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have > come > up with nothing. What should I be looking for? > > Thanks
Guest Alberto Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote: > Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're > probably not going to get much help. > > -- > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart > Display\Security > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes > http://www.dougknox.com > -------------------------------- > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm > -------------------------------- > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered. > > "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com... > >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when > > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate > > everyone's posts. > > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 > > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, > > I > > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a > > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have > > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have > > come > > up with nothing. What should I be looking for? > > > > Thanks >
Guest JF Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file *Bonjour Alberto * ! <news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com> > I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate > everyone's posts. I hope you use ERUNT ! http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ http://www.google.com/search?q=ERUNT+%7Etip > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, I > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have come > up with nothing. What should I be looking for? > Thanks SYSTEM is a Registry file http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545 For information, the sentence : "By default, Recovery Console has limited folder access and cannot copy files from the System Volume folder" *is false* http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png With Erunt you dont need to do all these. Did you make a CHKDSK /R recently ? So do it : Start>Execute>chkdsk /r Accept ... and restart. Wait ... wait ... wait ... can be 1/2 to few hours. Active SMART into the BIOS and watch that disk http://crystalmark.info/?lang=en -- Salutations, Jean-François.
Guest philo Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:08F33D29-3E1F-4D76-99F1-8234D3066D57@microsoft.com... > Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System That's a very bad sign... run the manufacturer's harddrive diagnostic and also run a RAM test. Additionally, you may want to check the harddrive for excess temperature > > "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote: > > > Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're > > probably not going to get much help. > > > > -- > > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart > > Display\Security > > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes > > http://www.dougknox.com > > -------------------------------- > > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm > > -------------------------------- > > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered. > > > > "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com... > > >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when > > > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate > > > everyone's posts. > > > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 > > > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, > > > I > > > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a > > > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have > > > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have > > > come > > > up with nothing. What should I be looking for? > > > > > > Thanks > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file JF wrote: > *Bonjour Alberto * ! > <news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com> > >> I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity >> when encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I >> appreciate everyone's posts. > > > I hope you use ERUNT ! > http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ > http://www.google.com/search?q=ERUNT+%7Etip > >> My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 >> months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital >> cameras, I was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB >> ports is a problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could >> do this? I have scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware >> program which have come up with nothing. What should I be looking for? > > >> Thanks > > > SYSTEM is a Registry file > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545 > > For information, the sentence : > "By default, Recovery Console has limited folder access > and cannot copy files from the System Volume folder" > *is false* > http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png That is not false, it is true. For security reasons file access in the Recovery Console is limited to the root folders and to the %Systemroot% folder and its subfolders. This behaviour can be changed by a registry edit or via Group Policies, if the changes were not made the Recovery Console will not have access to the System Volume folder. John
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file Registry troubleshooting steps for advanced users http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822705 John Alberto wrote: > Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System > > "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote: > > >>Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're >>probably not going to get much help. >> >>-- >>Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart >>Display\Security >>Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes >>http://www.dougknox.com >>-------------------------------- >>Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro >>http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm >>-------------------------------- >>Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit. >>Unsolicited e-mail is not answered. >> >>"Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com... >> >>>I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when >>>encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate >>>everyone's posts. >>>My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 >>>months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, >>>I >>>was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a >>>problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have >>>scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have >>>come >>>up with nothing. What should I be looking for? >>> >>>Thanks >>
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file Alberto wrote: > Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System > How to Troubleshoot Registry Corruption Issues http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;822705 -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest JF Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file *Bonjour John John (MVP) * ! <news:OIloucO5IHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> > JF wrote: >> *Bonjour Alberto * ! >> <news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com> >> >>> I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity when >>> encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate >>> everyone's posts. >> >> I hope you use ERUNT ! >> http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ >> http://www.google.com/search?q=ERUNT+%7Etip >> >>> My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 >>> months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital cameras, >>> I was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a >>> problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I have >>> scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which have >>> come up with nothing. What should I be looking for? >> >>> Thanks >> >> SYSTEM is a Registry file >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545 >> >> For information, the sentence : >> "By default, Recovery Console has limited folder access >> and cannot copy files from the System Volume folder" >> *is false* >> http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png > That is not false, it is true. For security reasons file access in the > Recovery Console is limited to the root folders and to the %Systemroot% > folder and its subfolders. This behaviour can be changed by a registry edit > or via Group Policies, if the changes were not made the Recovery Console will > not have access to the System Volume folder. > John Sorry, you're wrong. I know all that. Look : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Setup\RecoveryConsole SecurityLevel=0 SetCommand=0 And now try this from the Recovery Console ==> (you *dont need* to type SET AllowAllPaths = TRUE) CD \ CD "SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION" DIR ==> http://fspsa.free.fr/images/cdr-svi/cdr-svi-dir.png *Why dont you try* ? We proved that SVI is accessible since SP1 for the Recovery Console ==> http://fspsa.free.fr/cdr-svi-accessible.htm Microsoft has been noticed to modify KB307545 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545 Confirmation by Mark Russinovich : Microsoft Windows Internals: Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, and Windows 2000, Fourth Edition by Mark E. Russinovich and David A. Solomon Microsoft Press © 2005 http://microsofteref.books24x7.com/viewer.asp?bookid=10479&chunkid=936576450 "If you're running Windows XP and System Restore is enabled (System Restore is discussed in Chapter 12) , you can often obtain a more recent backup of the registry hives, including the System hive, from the most recent restore point. However, you may not be able to access the directory in which restores points are stored, \System Volume Information, from within the Recovery Console. *Windows XP Service Pack 1 Versions of the Recovery Console allow access to that directory*, but older versions do not unless the system's local security policy allows it." So for a long time now we use this method to help people with Registry problems : http://fspsa.free.fr/cdr-svi.htm Easier of course with a BARTPE, which doesn't know restrictions about SVI http://www.ubcd4win.com -- Salutations, Jean-François.
Guest Alberto Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: Missing "System" file Thanks, I will see what diagnostics eMachines has to offer on the disk. How would I run a check on the RAM? I've never tried it before, but it could be an issue. "philo" wrote: > > "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:08F33D29-3E1F-4D76-99F1-8234D3066D57@microsoft.com... > > Sorry - by "System" I meant Windows\system32\Config\System > > That's a very bad sign... > > run the manufacturer's harddrive diagnostic > and also run a RAM test. > > Additionally, you may want to check the harddrive for excess temperature > > > > > > > "Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]" wrote: > > > > > Without more information as to the file that's going missing, you're > > > probably not going to get much help. > > > > > > -- > > > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart > > > Display\Security > > > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes > > > http://www.dougknox.com > > > -------------------------------- > > > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro > > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm > > > -------------------------------- > > > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > > > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered. > > > > > > "Alberto" <Alberto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > news:E1E502EC-4021-4DC2-A4AB-CD1B27C5C9E8@microsoft.com... > > > >I have read and used the procedures outlined here to save my sanity > when > > > > encoiuntering this problem of the missing "System" file. I appreciate > > > > everyone's posts. > > > > My question now is: Why this would happen so frequently (every 2 or 3 > > > > months)? My kids use it for iTunes and we all use it for digital > cameras, > > > > I > > > > was wondering if the way we remove the devices from the USB ports is a > > > > problem, or is there a virus I am not aware of that could do this? I > have > > > > scanned using two programs and I run an anti-spyware program which > have > > > > come > > > > up with nothing. What should I be looking for? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > >
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