Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to justbefore login screen

[Guest Alex Schugman]

Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to justbefore login screen

 

Hello,

 

I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on

the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive using

Acronis.

 

Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it

boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before one

would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp logo

(with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

 

I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no idea

how to fix it. can anyone help?

 

thanks,

Alex

[Guest sgopus]

RE: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

RE: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

you can't

 

in order for something like what your trying to do to work , you would have

to get a 2nd XP cd and install it in the 2nd partition.

 

if you want a backup copy get a 2nd external HD and do a clone

 

"Alex Schugman" wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on

> the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive using

> Acronis.

>

> Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it

> boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before one

> would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp logo

> (with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

>

> I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no idea

> how to fix it. can anyone help?

>

> thanks,

> Alex

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

I'm 99% certain that you can use the same CD in this case.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> you can't

>

> in order for something like what your trying to do to work , you would

> have

> to get a 2nd XP cd and install it in the 2nd partition.

>

> if you want a backup copy get a 2nd external HD and do a clone

>

> "Alex Schugman" wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Hello,

>>

>> I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on

>> the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive using

>> Acronis.

>>

>> Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it

>> boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before one

>> would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp logo

>> (with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

>>

>> I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no idea

>> how to fix it. can anyone help?

>>

>> thanks,

>> Alex

>>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party boot

manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead of XP's boot

manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also use BING boot menus

to hide each OS partition from the others. Keeps confusion to a minimum.

 

Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but once you

learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

 

Or do as "sgopus" suggests.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Alex Schugman" <indessen@hotmail.de> wrote in message

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>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on

> the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive using

> Acronis.

>

> Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it

> boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before one

> would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp logo

> (with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

>

> I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no idea

> how to fix it. can anyone help?

>

> thanks,

> Alex

[Guest dadiOH]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> I'm 99% certain that you can use the same CD in this case.

 

Make that 100%. I have two installs on the same computer from the same XP

CD.

> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:D66646F1-5D8D-4B11-ADE3-FCE7990A71A1@microsoft.com...

>> you can't

>>

>> in order for something like what your trying to do to work , you

>> would have

>> to get a 2nd XP cd and install it in the 2nd partition.

>>

>> if you want a backup copy get a 2nd external HD and do a clone

>>

>> "Alex Schugman" wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello,

>>>

>>> I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on

>>> the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive

>>> using Acronis.

>>>

>>> Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it

>>> boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before

>>> one would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp

>>> logo (with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

>>>

>>> I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no

>>> idea how to fix it. can anyone help?

>>>

>>> thanks,

>>> Alex

[Guest Alex Schugman]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes tojust before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes tojust before login screen

 

On 14 Jul., 03:34, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party boot

> manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead of XP's boot

> manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also use BING boot menus

> to hide each OS partition from the others. Keeps confusion to a minimum.

>

> Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but once you

> learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

>

> Or do as "sgopus" suggests.

 

i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it

something for expert users?

[Guest Timothy Daniels]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

"Alex Schugman" wrote:

> On 14 Jul., 03:34, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party

>> boot manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead

>> of XP's boot manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also

>> use BING boot menus to hide each OS partition from the others.

>> Keeps confusion to a minimum.

>>

>> Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but

>> once you learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

>

> i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it

> something for expert users?

 

BING is wonderful - but it costs money. You can do what you

want without BING, but you need a cloning utility that can clone

single partitions (which Disk Director can do) - or at least image a

single partition and then restore it in a new location (which True Image

can do). Instead of BING, you can use XP's own ntldr and boot.ini

files to present the mulit-boot menu and to load XP. And instead of

BING for partition management, you can use Gparted, a Linux-based

partition manager that has a GUI, making it OS-agnostic to the user.

You can download Gparted as an .iso file for burning a live CD, or as

a .zip file for making a live USB stick. (When starting up Gparted,

I find that I can take all the defaults, except that I must use "1" to

indicate a moderately knowledgeable user, and to NOT let it

automatically set the graphic card type, but to accept the default that

is subsequently presented.)

 

Using the cloning utility, clone the 1st XP installation to an unallocated

area of the appropriate size, letting the cloner create the partition for

you. (Many cloners, including Casper, let you clone to a partition of

larger or smaller size - all that is required is that the OS fit in it.) You

may also tell the cloner to make a partition of the same size as the

source partition. When that is done, check with Gparted to assure

that the source partition remains "active" - Gparted's "Manage Flags"

function will call that flag "boot". With the source XP running, run

"msconfig" from the command prompt. Click on the "BOOT.INI" tab.

Then click the button labeled "Check all boot paths". This will set up

the multi-boot menu in the boot.ini file of the source XP for you. Then

open boot.ini (at C:\boot.ini) using Notepad, and to make the menu

mean something at boot time, in the two entries under "[operating systems]"

change the strings between the quote characters so that they indicate

to you which copy of XP they point to. Then copy the two entries to

the boot.ini file of the clone XP, overwriting the single entry that is

already there. That will set up the multi-boot menu in the clone SP.

And to indicate to you which copy of XP is running, create a folder

on the SOURCE XP's Desktop with the name like "Source XP".

(You could do this in the clone XP as well, but although it will appear

in the Desktop folder, it might not appear *on* the Desktop.)

 

Then, with Gparted, set the "boot" flag in the clone's partition, and set

the "hide" flag in the source XP's partition. (This will prevent the clone

from seeing its "parent" OS when it starts up for the first time and thus

from becoming confused about who it is.) Then restart, and the clone's

copy of the boot.ini menu will be displayed. Choose the clone's entry,

and the clone XP should boot up for its first-ever run. If the source XP

called its own partition "C:", the clone will call its own partition "C:", but

as long as the partition does not refer to any other partitions in any of its

shorcuts, there will be no problem with that. Now, both copies of XP

will have a multi-boot menu, and you can boot from either partition to

run either of the XPs.

 

Using Gparted again, unset the "hide" flag in the source partition.

If you want to boot from the clone's multi-boot menu, leave the clone's

partition "active". If you want to boot from the source XP's multi-boot

menu, set the source partition's "active" flag back to "boot". Thereafter,

you can use one or the other XP's Disk Management utilitiy to set the

"active" flag, but whichever XP partition is selected by that flag will have

a multi-boot menu from which you can select either XP to run.

 

*TimDaniels*

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to jus

 

Thanks! Since I never use retail or OEM copies to install "play" systems, I

wasn't sure if there were any activation issues.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> I'm 99% certain that you can use the same CD in this case.

>

> Make that 100%. I have two installs on the same computer from the same XP

> CD.

>

>> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:D66646F1-5D8D-4B11-ADE3-FCE7990A71A1@microsoft.com...

>>> you can't

>>>

>>> in order for something like what your trying to do to work , you

>>> would have

>>> to get a 2nd XP cd and install it in the 2nd partition.

>>>

>>> if you want a backup copy get a 2nd external HD and do a clone

>>>

>>> "Alex Schugman" wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hello,

>>>>

>>>> I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on

>>>> the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive

>>>> using Acronis.

>>>>

>>>> Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it

>>>> boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before

>>>> one would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp

>>>> logo (with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

>>>>

>>>> I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no

>>>> idea how to fix it. can anyone help?

>>>>

>>>> thanks,

>>>> Alex

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Well, it's not for novices, but you're all into multi-booting, so I thought

you should consider learning a better way. I don't know of any boot

managers/repartitioning software that's any better or any easier to run.

Multi-booting is not for novices unless your primary intent is to learn and

you can afford to lose everything and have to start over. Of course, most

people know to create backups of their system(s) before doing this kind of

work.

 

1. If using WinZip or similar program, Unzip the contents to a new folder.

If you never installed anything like WinZip, XP's "compressed folders" will

show the contents as a regular folder automatically.

 

2. Run BOOTITNG.EXE to create a bootable floppy or CD installer disk. You

then boot to that disk to install.

 

3. One hint: Assuming your HDs are already fully occupied by partitions, you

should initially Cancel the installation and then use Partition Work to

shrink (Resize button) the last partition on the first HD to leave ~20MB

free. Then restart and install. Let the installer choose where to put the

program and it should create it's own 8MB partition at the end of the empty

space. When the installation is done, you can use Resize to reclaim

remaining free space.

 

At the bottom of this page are lots of resources:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm

 

Be sure to take advantage of the BING newsgroups.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support-bootit-next-generation.htm

 

FYI, yes, BING costs $35. Worth every penny if you intend to regularly

multi-boot.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Alex Schugman" <indessen@hotmail.de> wrote in message

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> On 14 Jul., 03:34, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party

>> boot

>> manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead of XP's boot

>> manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also use BING boot

>> menus

>> to hide each OS partition from the others. Keeps confusion to a minimum.

>>

>> Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but once

>> you

>> learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

>>

>> Or do as "sgopus" suggests.

>

> i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it

> something for expert users?

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

LOL!!! This is your answer to someone who couldn't figure out how to install

BING?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

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> "Alex Schugman" wrote:

>> On 14 Jul., 03:34, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>> You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party

>>> boot manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead

>>> of XP's boot manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also

>>> use BING boot menus to hide each OS partition from the others.

>>> Keeps confusion to a minimum.

>>>

>>> Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but

>>> once you learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

>>

>> i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it

>> something for expert users?

>

> BING is wonderful - but it costs money. You can do what you

> want without BING, but you need a cloning utility that can clone

> single partitions (which Disk Director can do) - or at least image a

> single partition and then restore it in a new location (which True Image

> can do). Instead of BING, you can use XP's own ntldr and boot.ini

> files to present the mulit-boot menu and to load XP. And instead of

> BING for partition management, you can use Gparted, a Linux-based

> partition manager that has a GUI, making it OS-agnostic to the user.

> You can download Gparted as an .iso file for burning a live CD, or as

> a .zip file for making a live USB stick. (When starting up Gparted,

> I find that I can take all the defaults, except that I must use "1" to

> indicate a moderately knowledgeable user, and to NOT let it

> automatically set the graphic card type, but to accept the default that

> is subsequently presented.)

>

> Using the cloning utility, clone the 1st XP installation to an

> unallocated

> area of the appropriate size, letting the cloner create the partition for

> you. (Many cloners, including Casper, let you clone to a partition of

> larger or smaller size - all that is required is that the OS fit in it.)

> You

> may also tell the cloner to make a partition of the same size as the

> source partition. When that is done, check with Gparted to assure

> that the source partition remains "active" - Gparted's "Manage Flags"

> function will call that flag "boot". With the source XP running, run

> "msconfig" from the command prompt. Click on the "BOOT.INI" tab.

> Then click the button labeled "Check all boot paths". This will set up

> the multi-boot menu in the boot.ini file of the source XP for you. Then

> open boot.ini (at C:\boot.ini) using Notepad, and to make the menu

> mean something at boot time, in the two entries under "[operating

> systems]"

> change the strings between the quote characters so that they indicate

> to you which copy of XP they point to. Then copy the two entries to

> the boot.ini file of the clone XP, overwriting the single entry that is

> already there. That will set up the multi-boot menu in the clone SP.

> And to indicate to you which copy of XP is running, create a folder

> on the SOURCE XP's Desktop with the name like "Source XP".

> (You could do this in the clone XP as well, but although it will appear

> in the Desktop folder, it might not appear *on* the Desktop.)

>

> Then, with Gparted, set the "boot" flag in the clone's partition, and

> set

> the "hide" flag in the source XP's partition. (This will prevent the

> clone

> from seeing its "parent" OS when it starts up for the first time and thus

> from becoming confused about who it is.) Then restart, and the clone's

> copy of the boot.ini menu will be displayed. Choose the clone's entry,

> and the clone XP should boot up for its first-ever run. If the source XP

> called its own partition "C:", the clone will call its own partition "C:",

> but

> as long as the partition does not refer to any other partitions in any of

> its

> shorcuts, there will be no problem with that. Now, both copies of XP

> will have a multi-boot menu, and you can boot from either partition to

> run either of the XPs.

>

> Using Gparted again, unset the "hide" flag in the source partition.

> If you want to boot from the clone's multi-boot menu, leave the clone's

> partition "active". If you want to boot from the source XP's multi-boot

> menu, set the source partition's "active" flag back to "boot".

> Thereafter,

> you can use one or the other XP's Disk Management utilitiy to set the

> "active" flag, but whichever XP partition is selected by that flag will

> have

> a multi-boot menu from which you can select either XP to run.

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

>

[Guest Timothy Daniels]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> LOL!!! This is your answer to someone who couldn't figure out

> how to install BING?

 

I hoped that my detailed and clear prose would compensate.

Notice that I didn't just say "use ntldr". And the advantage in using

ntldr is that there is no cost and no installation necessary to use it

since it's XP's own native multi-boot loader. Otherwise, there is

always the archival value to future Google searchers - of which

there could be hundreds of people who *could* be helped.

 

*TimDaniels*

[Guest dadiOH]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Timothy Daniels wrote:

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> LOL!!! This is your answer to someone who couldn't figure out

>> how to install BING?

>

> I hoped that my detailed and clear prose would compensate.

> Notice that I didn't just say "use ntldr". And the advantage in using

> ntldr is that there is no cost and no installation necessary to use it

> since it's XP's own native multi-boot loader. Otherwise, there is

> always the archival value to future Google searchers - of which

> there could be hundreds of people who *could* be helped.

>

> *TimDaniels*

 

I thought it both interesting and helpful.

 

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[Guest Timothy Daniels]

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

Re: Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to just before login screen

 

 

"dadiOH" offered:

> I thought it both interesting and helpful.

 

Thanks. It was worth my effort, then.

 

*TimDaniels*