Guest DaffyD® Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but doesn't find one. I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? -- { : [|]=( DaffyD® If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I need to buy a USB 2.0 card? "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 USB > driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the driver on > the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > > What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows builds a > new driver information database, detects that it has found the Sunplus > Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but doesn't find one. > > I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, the > "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all didn't > work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The player won't > work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > > I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB driver from a > CD when Windows won't detect it? > -- > { : [|]=( DaffyD® > > If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > > > >
Guest MEB Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , DaffyD® contemplated and posted: | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, | but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I | need to buy a USB 2.0 card? USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver would have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to function properly. | | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. |> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but |> doesn't find one. |> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. |> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? |> -- |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® |> |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver By USB adapter, you mean like the 5-port USB 2.0 PCI Card Terhune wrote about in another thread? Does it come with drivers--does it need it's own drivers? How do I find out if my MB supports 2.0? "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eZKmXhX5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , > DaffyD® contemplated and posted: > > | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, > | but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I > | need to buy a USB 2.0 card? > > USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver would > have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. > USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to function > properly. > > | > | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 > |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the > |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > |> > |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows > |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found > |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but > |> doesn't find one. > |> > |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, > |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all > |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The > |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > |> > |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB > |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? > |> -- > |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® > |> > |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > >
Guest glee Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver An mp3 player *should* be backward-compatible with USB 1.1, but the documentation for the player should state that it is, as MEB mentioned. Does he have Win98SE? Exactly what is the name and model of the player? It might help if we could look up its probably sparse documentation, if it's a Sunplus. Does the driver disc have a folder tree if you browse it with Windows Explorer? If so, look for a Win98 folder and/or a Driver folder to point the installer to. If all else fails, you may be able to access the player using a generic USB driver for Win98SE, and manually copy the songs you want to play, to the device. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:OlgYOwY5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > By USB adapter, you mean like the 5-port USB 2.0 PCI Card Terhune wrote > about in another thread? Does it come with drivers--does it need it's own > drivers? How do I find out if my MB supports 2.0? > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:eZKmXhX5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , >> DaffyD® contemplated and posted: >> >> | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, >> | but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I >> | need to buy a USB 2.0 card? >> >> USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver would >> have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. >> USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to function >> properly. >> >> | >> | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message >> | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 >> |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the >> |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. >> |> >> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows >> |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found >> |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but >> |> doesn't find one. >> |> >> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, >> |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all >> |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The >> |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. >> |> >> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB >> |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? >> |> -- >> |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® >> |> >> |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. >> >> -- >> MEB >> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >> -- >> _________ >> >> >> >> > >
Guest MEB Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver In news:OlgYOwY5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl , DaffyD® contemplated and posted: | By USB adapter, you mean like the 5-port USB 2.0 PCI Card Terhune | wrote about in another thread? Does it come with drivers--does it | need it's own drivers? How do I find out if my MB supports 2.0? Try one of the tools designed to query USB hubs and devices such as the USBView which came with 98SE in the tools\reskit\diagnose folder on the installation CDROM. It might be available on disk in the Options folder but I doubt it. A better alternative [due to the lack of documentation available for your system] is one of the hardware diagnostic utilities such as Aida32, MiTeC MSI [nice tool, does not require installation], SiSoft Sandra {Pro} [excellent tool], Everest Home Edition, and a number of other diagnostic tools which can provide in-depth information on chipsets, BIOS, devices, etc.. With one of these tools you will have a better understanding of all aspects of the computer and what it can support. Another tool you have installed will query the system for its present configuration. Its not generally documented or used, but everyone has it. Its called hwinfo and is used in the run box with the commandline > hwinfo /ui <. Its a good way to find out what has been found/installed, drivers, etc.. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q185956/ Look around if you want something else or other tools, like here: http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/spring2002/cmsc434-0101/MUIseum/applications/diagnostics.html | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:eZKmXhX5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , |> DaffyD® contemplated and posted: |> |> | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB |> | 1, but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will |> | I need to buy a USB 2.0 card? |> |> USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver |> would have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. |> USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to |> function properly. |> |> | |> | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message |> | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows |> |> 98 USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't |> |> detect the driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware |> |> wizard. |> |> |> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, |> |> Windows builds a new driver information database, detects that it |> |> has found the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver |> |> for it, but doesn't find one. |> |> |> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" |> |> option, the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" |> |> and that all didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there |> |> are no FAQs. The player won't work with Windows if the driver |> |> isn't installed. |> |> |> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB |> |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? |> |> -- |> |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® |> |> |> |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. |> |> -- |> MEB |> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com |> -- |> _________ -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest MEB Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver Opps, forgot to answer what I meant by an adapter... YES you would need a PCI [or an old ISA] USB 2.0 adapter/card installed in your computer. Generally they support either two or four USB devices [direct connect, 2 channels {or 2 split}- home/general use, or four channel {2 separate chips with two channels each - industrial grade}] though some of the newer chips/adapters supply four [or more] channels with a single chip. You can add additional HUBS [powered is preferred] to increase the amount of USB devices you can connect. Hubs sometimes also provide a card reader or other as well. You could fudge by adding a USB 2.0 hub device, but the computer would be still be at USB 1 speed and capability. The USB 2.0 Hub would provide the 2.0 connection, but the 2.0 Hub *MUST* be able to connect to and communicate with USB 1. These devices were produced around the transitional period, and may no longer be available {?}. Make sure though, that IF NECESSARY the device/card has 98SE drivers [- most are PnP - though you might be able to use one of the Universal Drivers]. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:16:42 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 USB >driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the driver on >the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > >What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows builds a >new driver information database, detects that it has found the Sunplus >Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but doesn't find one. > >I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, the >"Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all didn't >work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The player won't >work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > >I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB driver from a >CD when Windows won't detect it? Use either of the following programs to detect your MP3 player: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB_IDs/UVCView.x86.exe http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB_IDs/usbview.exe Look for vendor IDs and product IDs in the output. For example, here is what I see for an MP3/MP4 player: idVendor: 0x10D6 = Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd. idProduct: 0x1101 iProduct: 0x01 English (United States) "USB 2.0(HS) Flash Disk " In the above case I would search the CD for INF files containing the text strings "10D6" and "1101". Otherwise I have found that the Maximus Decim NUSB driver set will probably work with your hardware. The MP3 player will show up as a disc drive in Explorer and you will be able to write and read it just like any other disc. http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605 - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver The mp3 player is a Craig Model CMA317B. It is designed to work with Win98SE (which is our OS) and has USB 2.0 interface. I emailed their tech support, but no surprise, there's been no response. "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:OPzqGLb5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > An mp3 player *should* be backward-compatible with USB 1.1, but the documentation > for the player should state that it is, as MEB mentioned. > > Does he have Win98SE? > > Exactly what is the name and model of the player? It might help if we could look up > its probably sparse documentation, if it's a Sunplus. > > Does the driver disc have a folder tree if you browse it with Windows Explorer? If > so, look for a Win98 folder and/or a Driver folder to point the installer to. > > If all else fails, you may be able to access the player using a generic USB driver > for Win98SE, and manually copy the songs you want to play, to the device. > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:OlgYOwY5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > By USB adapter, you mean like the 5-port USB 2.0 PCI Card Terhune wrote > > about in another thread? Does it come with drivers--does it need it's own > > drivers? How do I find out if my MB supports 2.0? > > > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:eZKmXhX5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , > >> DaffyD® contemplated and posted: > >> > >> | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, > >> | but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I > >> | need to buy a USB 2.0 card? > >> > >> USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver would > >> have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. > >> USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to function > >> properly. > >> > >> | > >> | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > >> | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 > >> |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the > >> |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > >> |> > >> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows > >> |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found > >> |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but > >> |> doesn't find one. > >> |> > >> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, > >> |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all > >> |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The > >> |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > >> |> > >> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB > >> |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? > >> |> -- > >> |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® > >> |> > >> |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > >> > >> -- > >> MEB > >> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >> -- > >> _________ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver I forgot to mention that the installer CD has a folder tree and I pointed to the folder(s) where the driver should be but Windows still couldn't find the driver. I even copied the file folders to the desktop but it still doesn't work. "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:OPzqGLb5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > An mp3 player *should* be backward-compatible with USB 1.1, but the documentation > for the player should state that it is, as MEB mentioned. > > Does he have Win98SE? > > Exactly what is the name and model of the player? It might help if we could look up > its probably sparse documentation, if it's a Sunplus. > > Does the driver disc have a folder tree if you browse it with Windows Explorer? If > so, look for a Win98 folder and/or a Driver folder to point the installer to. > > If all else fails, you may be able to access the player using a generic USB driver > for Win98SE, and manually copy the songs you want to play, to the device. > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:OlgYOwY5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > By USB adapter, you mean like the 5-port USB 2.0 PCI Card Terhune wrote > > about in another thread? Does it come with drivers--does it need it's own > > drivers? How do I find out if my MB supports 2.0? > > > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:eZKmXhX5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , > >> DaffyD® contemplated and posted: > >> > >> | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, > >> | but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I > >> | need to buy a USB 2.0 card? > >> > >> USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver would > >> have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. > >> USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to function > >> properly. > >> > >> | > >> | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > >> | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 > >> |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the > >> |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > >> |> > >> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows > >> |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found > >> |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but > >> |> doesn't find one. > >> |> > >> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, > >> |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all > >> |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The > >> |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > >> |> > >> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB > >> |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? > >> |> -- > >> |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® > >> |> > >> |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > >> > >> -- > >> MEB > >> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >> -- > >> _________ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver Something you said about finding a generic driver sparked an idea. I'm actually not sure what I did, but I found a Sunplus USB driver thru the Hardware wiz. I did get a dialog box about the driver not being designed for use with the unit but I clicked thru, installed the driver, and now the software detects the mp3 player and all is fine. Thanks, Glen. "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:OPzqGLb5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > An mp3 player *should* be backward-compatible with USB 1.1, but the documentation > for the player should state that it is, as MEB mentioned. > > Does he have Win98SE? > > Exactly what is the name and model of the player? It might help if we could look up > its probably sparse documentation, if it's a Sunplus. > > Does the driver disc have a folder tree if you browse it with Windows Explorer? If > so, look for a Win98 folder and/or a Driver folder to point the installer to. > > If all else fails, you may be able to access the player using a generic USB driver > for Win98SE, and manually copy the songs you want to play, to the device. > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:OlgYOwY5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > By USB adapter, you mean like the 5-port USB 2.0 PCI Card Terhune wrote > > about in another thread? Does it come with drivers--does it need it's own > > drivers? How do I find out if my MB supports 2.0? > > > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:eZKmXhX5IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> In news:eUJ15jW5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl , > >> DaffyD® contemplated and posted: > >> > >> | I forgot to say that the driver is a USB 2.0 but my system is USB 1, > >> | but I thought the 2.0 driver would be backward compatible. Will I > >> | need to buy a USB 2.0 card? > >> > >> USB 2.0 devices need USB 2.0 unless specifically noted... the driver would > >> have to supply support for USB 1{.1}. > >> USB 2.0 adapters are relatively cheap, however, they need 98SE to function > >> properly. > >> > >> | > >> | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > >> | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 > >> |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the > >> |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > >> |> > >> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows > >> |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found > >> |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but > >> |> doesn't find one. > >> |> > >> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, > >> |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all > >> |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The > >> |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > >> |> > >> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB > >> |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? > >> |> -- > >> |> { : [|]=( DaffyD® > >> |> > >> |> If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > >> > >> -- > >> MEB > >> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >> -- > >> _________ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver As I wrote Glen, the player works fine--I found an existing Sunplus driver in Windows. Thanks for the link to the 2 USB device viewers as well as the link to the USB driverset download. "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:lean745v1rrg3hol7u1jfc6nohevs5su5t@4ax.com... > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:16:42 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > > >My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 USB > >driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the driver on > >the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. > > > >What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows builds a > >new driver information database, detects that it has found the Sunplus > >Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but doesn't find one. > > > >I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, the > >"Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all didn't > >work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The player won't > >work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. > > > >I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB driver from a > >CD when Windows won't detect it? > > Use either of the following programs to detect your MP3 player: > http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB_IDs/UVCView.x86.exe > http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB_IDs/usbview.exe > > Look for vendor IDs and product IDs in the output. For example, here > is what I see for an MP3/MP4 player: > > idVendor: 0x10D6 = Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > idProduct: 0x1101 > iProduct: 0x01 > English (United States) "USB 2.0(HS) Flash Disk " > > In the above case I would search the CD for INF files containing the > text strings "10D6" and "1101". > > Otherwise I have found that the Maximus Decim NUSB driver set will > probably work with your hardware. The MP3 player will show up as a > disc drive in Explorer and you will be able to write and read it just > like any other disc. > > http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php > http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605 > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver Turns out I didn't need to buy an USB 2.0 adapter after all. I found a Sunplus driver in Windows and everything has worked out. Thanks for all the info you provide. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uj2NR6d5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Opps, forgot to answer what I meant by an adapter... YES you would need a > PCI [or an old ISA] USB 2.0 adapter/card installed in your computer. > Generally they support either two or four USB devices [direct connect, 2 > channels {or 2 split}- home/general use, or four channel {2 separate chips > with two channels each - industrial grade}] though some of the newer > chips/adapters supply four [or more] channels with a single chip. > You can add additional HUBS [powered is preferred] to increase the amount > of USB devices you can connect. Hubs sometimes also provide a card reader or > other as well. > > You could fudge by adding a USB 2.0 hub device, but the computer would be > still be at USB 1 speed and capability. The USB 2.0 Hub would provide the > 2.0 connection, but the 2.0 Hub *MUST* be able to connect to and communicate > with USB 1. These devices were produced around the transitional period, and > may no longer be available {?}. > > Make sure though, that IF NECESSARY the device/card has 98SE drivers [- > most are PnP - though you might be able to use one of the Universal > Drivers]. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > >
Guest MEB Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking for generic USB drivers.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:uAaIaJ75IHA.300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | Turns out I didn't need to buy an USB 2.0 adapter after all. I found a | Sunplus driver in Windows and everything has worked out. Thanks for all the | info you provide. | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uj2NR6d5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > Opps, forgot to answer what I meant by an adapter... YES you would need a | > PCI [or an old ISA] USB 2.0 adapter/card installed in your computer. | > Generally they support either two or four USB devices [direct connect, 2 | > channels {or 2 split}- home/general use, or four channel {2 separate chips | > with two channels each - industrial grade}] though some of the newer | > chips/adapters supply four [or more] channels with a single chip. | > You can add additional HUBS [powered is preferred] to increase the amount | > of USB devices you can connect. Hubs sometimes also provide a card reader | or | > other as well. | > | > You could fudge by adding a USB 2.0 hub device, but the computer would be | > still be at USB 1 speed and capability. The USB 2.0 Hub would provide the | > 2.0 connection, but the 2.0 Hub *MUST* be able to connect to and | communicate | > with USB 1. These devices were produced around the transitional period, | and | > may no longer be available {?}. | > | > Make sure though, that IF NECESSARY the device/card has 98SE drivers [- | > most are PnP - though you might be able to use one of the Universal | > Drivers]. | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > | > | > | |
Guest glee Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver Interesting, if you found it using the New Hardware wizard rather than online...since Win98SE should not contain any Sunplus drivers natively. My guess is that there is an error somewhere in the .inf file from the Sunplus CD which prevented it from being recognised as the correct driver, but it got copied to your Inf folder anyway when you tried the earlier installs using the CD. When you searched with the Hardware Wizard now, looking for a driver, that Sunplus driver cropped up, and turns out it IS the right driver once you manually select it. That's my theory, anyway.... :-) "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:OPgrzD75IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Something you said about finding a generic driver sparked an idea. > I'm actually not sure what I did, but I found a Sunplus USB driver thru the > Hardware wiz. I did get a dialog box about the driver not being designed for > use with the unit but I clicked thru, installed the driver, and now the > software detects the mp3 player and all is fine. > Thanks, Glen. > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:OPzqGLb5IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> An mp3 player *should* be backward-compatible with USB 1.1, but the > documentation >> for the player should state that it is, as MEB mentioned. >> >> Does he have Win98SE? >> >> Exactly what is the name and model of the player? It might help if we > could look up >> its probably sparse documentation, if it's a Sunplus. >> >> Does the driver disc have a folder tree if you browse it with Windows > Explorer? If >> so, look for a Win98 folder and/or a Driver folder to point the installer > to. >> >> If all else fails, you may be able to access the player using a generic > USB driver >> for Win98SE, and manually copy the songs you want to play, to the device. >> >> | >> >> | "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message >> >> | news:uRHVuhW5IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> |> My son was just given a Mp3 player which needs to have a Windows 98 >> >> |> USB driver installed. The problem is that Windows doesn't detect the >> >> |> driver on the install CD when running the Add Hardware wizard. >> >> |> >> >> |> What happens is that the driver setup program is installed, Windows >> >> |> builds a new driver information database, detects that it has found >> >> |> the Sunplus Multidisk disk and will search for a driver for it, but >> >> |> doesn't find one. >> >> |> >> >> |> I've tried the "Search for the best driver for your device" option, >> >> |> the "Display a list of all drivers" option, "Have Disk" and that all >> >> |> didn't work. Craig doesn't have a website so there are no FAQs. The >> >> |> player won't work with Windows if the driver isn't installed. >> >> |> >> >> |> I guess to generalize the question, how does one install a USB >> >> |> driver from a CD when Windows won't detect it? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:12:04 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking for >generic USB drivers.. > >-- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com I found this: http://www.pqi.com.tw/upload/download/U800_Driver.zip Not sure if it's generic, though. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:52:58 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Interesting, if you found it using the New Hardware wizard rather than >online...since Win98SE should not contain any Sunplus drivers natively. > >My guess is that there is an error somewhere in the .inf file from the Sunplus CD >which prevented it from being recognised as the correct driver, but it got copied to >your Inf folder anyway when you tried the earlier installs using the CD. When you >searched with the Hardware Wizard now, looking for a driver, that Sunplus driver >cropped up, and turns out it IS the right driver once you manually select it. > >That's my theory, anyway.... :-) I suspect the OP could find out what happened by looking at the following registry keys. If his system is using a generic driver, as is mine (Maximus Decim NUSB), then maybe his device was detected on the basis of its class and subclass (see MatchingDeviceId) rather than its VID and PID. The name of the file in the InfPath would also be of interest. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\USB\VID_04FC&PID_xxxx CompatibleIDs USB\CLASS_08&SUBCLASS_06&PROT_50,USB\CLASS_08&SUBCLASS_06,USB\CLASS_08 Driver USB\00nn HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\USB\00nn InfPath USBSTOR.INF MatchingDeviceId USB\Class_08&SubClass_06&Prot_50 NTMPDriver USBSTOR.SYS I would also question whether the CD driver set was meant to be installed by means of a setup.exe file. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver In news:nlmt749n19s2rlnpta6u3msvjt5n4lrp9k@4ax.com , Franc Zabkar contemplated and posted: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:12:04 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> | put finger to keyboard and composed: | |>Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking |>for generic USB drivers.. |> |>-- |> MEB |> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | I found this: | http://www.pqi.com.tw/upload/download/U800_Driver.zip | | Not sure if it's generic, though. | | - Franc Zabkar Well, looking into the files; seems the W2K driver is actually Microsoft's 5.1.2269.1 (Lab01_N.000912-2233) usbstor.sys renamed, and the smmd.sys is or could be a generic USB Mass Storage Driver ver. 1.10 from 98DDK. The specifics [as usual] come into play with the registry settings, USB\VID entries, and pdr modifiers. The sunplus.bin seems to be the major player for fat activities. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:16:30 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >In news:nlmt749n19s2rlnpta6u3msvjt5n4lrp9k@4ax.com , >Franc Zabkar contemplated and posted: > >| On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:12:04 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> >| put finger to keyboard and composed: >| >|>Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking >|>for generic USB drivers.. >|> >|>-- >|> MEB >|> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >| >| I found this: >| http://www.pqi.com.tw/upload/download/U800_Driver.zip >| >| Not sure if it's generic, though. >| >| - Franc Zabkar > > Well, looking into the files; seems the W2K driver is actually Microsoft's >5.1.2269.1 (Lab01_N.000912-2233) usbstor.sys renamed, and the smmd.sys is or >could be a generic USB Mass Storage Driver ver. 1.10 from 98DDK. > The specifics [as usual] come into play with the registry settings, USB\VID >entries, and pdr modifiers. The sunplus.bin seems to be the major player for >fat activities. The .bin file looks like it might be a 96KB firmware image (128KB - 32KB boot block ???). It contains references to FAT12 and FAT16 and various terms such as ROCK POP Jazz CLaS DEL REP OFF FULL LO batt. smmdpdr.pdr appears to be a "USB Mass Storage Port Driver". >-- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver In news:68fv7453gpv4e97pm3jomembm9k04530o0@4ax.com , Franc Zabkar contemplated and posted: | On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:16:30 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> | put finger to keyboard and composed: | |>In news:nlmt749n19s2rlnpta6u3msvjt5n4lrp9k@4ax.com , |>Franc Zabkar contemplated and posted: |> |>| On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:12:04 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> |>| put finger to keyboard and composed: |>| |>|>Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking |>|>for generic USB drivers.. |>|> |>|>-- |>|> MEB |>|> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com |>| |>| I found this: |>| http://www.pqi.com.tw/upload/download/U800_Driver.zip |>| |>| Not sure if it's generic, though. |>| |>| - Franc Zabkar |> |> Well, looking into the files; seems the W2K driver is actually |> Microsoft's |>5.1.2269.1 (Lab01_N.000912-2233) usbstor.sys renamed, and the |>smmd.sys is or could be a generic USB Mass Storage Driver ver. 1.10 |>from 98DDK. |> The specifics [as usual] come into play with the registry settings, |>USB\VID entries, and pdr modifiers. The sunplus.bin seems to be the |>major player for fat activities. | | The .bin file looks like it might be a 96KB firmware image (128KB - | 32KB boot block ???). It contains references to FAT12 and FAT16 and | various terms such as ROCK POP Jazz CLaS DEL REP OFF FULL LO batt. Right, that's what it seemed like to me, the data used for formatting and device activities likely via some other part of the application. Perhasp, as in an iPod, the necessry initialization for the device. | | smmdpdr.pdr appears to be a "USB Mass Storage Port Driver". The statement "#USB Mass Storage Port Driver Sample" is included, and the file does contain the ACPI and CONFIGMG coding. The reg entries for it come here [smmd.inf]: ; Install the port driver [smmdpdr.install] AddReg=smmdpdr.addreg [smmdpdr.addreg] HKR,,DevLoader,,*ios HKR,,PortDriver,,smmdpdr.pdr So I suppose it is as you say, not a universal compilation, at least not without some modifications, though it does contain apparent generic files which would be used for other like devices.. The 98 Driver Development Kit {DDK} would have the necessary files and functions to compile drivers if one had the manufacturer's specifics. Here's some info on universal/cross platform driver/programming applications: http://www.thesycon.de/eng/usbio.shtml - demo- USBIO V2.41 Features Supports USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 Supports low-speed, full-speed, and high-speed mode Supports all USB transfer types: Bulk, Interrupt, Isochronous and Control Supports Windows 98 SE, Windows Millennium (ME), Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows XP x64, Windows Server 2003 x64, Windows XP embedded, Windows Vista, Windows Vista x64 Support for Windows 2000 SP4 and Windows XP SP2. Supported Platforms x86 x64 USB1.1 USB2.0 Windows 98 / ME Windows 2000 Windows XP Windows XP Embedded Windows Server 2003 Windows Vista http://www.jungo.com/st/usb_device.html - WinDriver USB Device - demo facilitates the development of Chapter 9 firmware for USB devices, including ready-made mass storage function driver for the implementation of standard storage devices. http://www.sinter.com.tw/doc/Jungo/wdf_wp.pdf http://www.alanmacek.com/usb/ - contains a sample USB device and links to some of the files necessary. http://www.kitsrus.com/ - DIY Electronics - tools, etc. http://www.kitsrus.com/software.html http://search.wareseeker.com/device-driver-development/ - development tools http://driver.wareseeker.com/Other/microsoft-driver-development-kit-win03.zip/341209 - Microsoft Driver Development Kit Win03 236 MB NOTE: I have NOT downloaded this for testing or to check for bugs or other... There are numerous programming tools available for the individual chips and to create drivers and firmware. | |>-- |> MEB | | - Franc Zabkar -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest DaffyD® Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver I think I installed it from the CD possibly from an .inf file. It all happened so quickly I didn't make a note of the steps I took. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23u5vcr75IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking for > generic USB drivers.. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:uAaIaJ75IHA.300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | Turns out I didn't need to buy an USB 2.0 adapter after all. I found a > | Sunplus driver in Windows and everything has worked out. Thanks for all > the > | info you provide. > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:uj2NR6d5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > Opps, forgot to answer what I meant by an adapter... YES you would need > a > | > PCI [or an old ISA] USB 2.0 adapter/card installed in your computer. > | > Generally they support either two or four USB devices [direct connect, 2 > | > channels {or 2 split}- home/general use, or four channel {2 separate > chips > | > with two channels each - industrial grade}] though some of the newer > | > chips/adapters supply four [or more] channels with a single chip. > | > You can add additional HUBS [powered is preferred] to increase the > amount > | > of USB devices you can connect. Hubs sometimes also provide a card > reader > | or > | > other as well. > | > > | > You could fudge by adding a USB 2.0 hub device, but the computer would > be > | > still be at USB 1 speed and capability. The USB 2.0 Hub would provide > the > | > 2.0 connection, but the 2.0 Hub *MUST* be able to connect to and > | communicate > | > with USB 1. These devices were produced around the transitional period, > | and > | > may no longer be available {?}. > | > > | > Make sure though, that IF NECESSARY the device/card has 98SE drivers [- > | > most are PnP - though you might be able to use one of the Universal > | > Drivers]. > | > > | > -- > | > MEB > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > | > >
Guest MEB Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Re: Unable to install USB driver In news:e3HHohT6IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl , DaffyD® contemplated and posted: | I think I installed it from the CD possibly from an .inf file. It all | happened so quickly I didn't make a note of the steps I took. That's okay, seems Franc located one which we proceeded to tear apart... yeah likely from the INF... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:%23u5vcr75IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> Cool, how about a link to the SunPlus driver... we're always looking |> for generic USB drivers.. |> |> -- |> MEB |> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com |> -- |> _________ |> |> |> |> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message |> news:uAaIaJ75IHA.300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> | Turns out I didn't need to buy an USB 2.0 adapter after all. I |> | found a Sunplus driver in Windows and everything has worked out. |> | Thanks for all the info you provide. |> | |> | |> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message |> | news:uj2NR6d5IHA.832@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> | > Opps, forgot to answer what I meant by an adapter... YES you |> | > would need a PCI [or an old ISA] USB 2.0 adapter/card installed |> | > in your computer. Generally they support either two or four USB |> | > devices [direct connect, 2 channels {or 2 split}- home/general |> | > use, or four channel {2 separate chips with two channels each - |> | > industrial grade}] though some of the newer chips/adapters |> | > supply four [or more] channels with a single chip. You can add |> | > additional HUBS [powered is preferred] to increase the amount of |> | > USB devices you can connect. Hubs sometimes also provide a card |> | > reader or other as well. |> | > |> | > You could fudge by adding a USB 2.0 hub device, but the |> | > computer would be still be at USB 1 speed and capability. The |> | > USB 2.0 Hub would provide the |> | > 2.0 connection, but the 2.0 Hub *MUST* be able to connect to and |> | > communicate with USB 1. These devices were produced around the |> | > transitional period, and may no longer be available {?}. |> | > |> | > Make sure though, that IF NECESSARY the device/card has 98SE |> | > drivers [- most are PnP - though you might be able to use one of |> | > the Universal Drivers]. |> | > |> | > -- |> | > MEB |> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com |> | > -- |> | > _________ -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
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