Guest Tony Phan Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. It is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, please help. Thanks.
Guest Ron Badour Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? If I understand you correctly, I don't think you can do that. Drivers have to be loaded for USB to work and since you are flashing the BIOS, the system is not yet running and drivers are not loaded. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... > Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. > It > is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, please > help. > > Thanks.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? I would consider this page a good source on the topic. http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... > Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. > It > is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, please > help. > > Thanks.
Guest Ron Badour Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? Hi Gary, Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? If so, I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I would consider this page a good source on the topic. > http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. >> It >> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, please >> help. >> >> Thanks. > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? I'd suggest if there is any doubt or confusion for the OP, I'd stick with bootable floppy disc method. (It's likely simpler and more fundamental). Ron Badour wrote: > Hi Gary, > > Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? If > so, > I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. > > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP > Windows Desktop Experience > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> I would consider this page a good source on the topic. >> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >>> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. >>> It >>> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, >>> please >>> help. >>> >>> Thanks.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? My primary intention was to show Tony the potential difficulties even booting to a flash drive. I don't think his machines qualify. But if you can boot to a flash drive using whatever OS the BIOS flash requires, then I don't see why you can't flash the BIOS using one. What's the difference how the OS and BIOS ROM & Utility get loaded into memory before going to work? Anyway, since I believe my machine qualifies under the list of requirements mentioned on the page, I'll see if it can be done. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message news:eAFz5rg5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Hi Gary, > > Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? If > so, I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. > > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP > Windows Desktop Experience > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>I would consider this page a good source on the topic. >> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >>> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. >>> It >>> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, >>> please >>> help. >>> >>> Thanks. >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? I was wrong. My fancy, one-year-old Asus P5B Deluxe does not support booting to a USB stick. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:O4X82fk5IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > My primary intention was to show Tony the potential difficulties even > booting to a flash drive. I don't think his machines qualify. But if you > can boot to a flash drive using whatever OS the BIOS flash requires, then > I don't see why you can't flash the BIOS using one. What's the difference > how the OS and BIOS ROM & Utility get loaded into memory before going to > work? > > Anyway, since I believe my machine qualifies under the list of > requirements mentioned on the page, I'll see if it can be done. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message > news:eAFz5rg5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Hi Gary, >> >> Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? If >> so, I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Ron Badour >> MS MVP >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>I would consider this page a good source on the topic. >>> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >>>> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS >>>> system. It >>>> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, >>>> please >>>> help. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? Wrong again. This board *does* boot to USB flash drive. Thing is, this board only puts one HD in the list of bootable devices (the others being my floppy and DVD drives.) then there's another section where you choose the order of the HDs for purposes of enumeration, the first one being the one that shows in the boot list. When you have a USB flash drive attached, it gets enumerated as one an HD. You then have to make it the bootable HD (first in the list of HDs.) I had previously used the first HP tool mentioned in the bootdisk.com article to make the drive a DOS boot disk, added the DOS BIOS flash tool from Asus (AFU236U.EXE) and the update ROM file, restarted, it booted to the flash drive, I used AFU236U to backup the old ROM, then install the new one. Of course, then it was necessary to check settings afterwards. In short, booting from a flash drive for the purposes of flashing the BIOS is not only possible, it's rather easy, depending on what has to go onto the flash drive. (If the OS used is not DOS, then I'm not sure what other tools are available to set up the flash drive properly. In my case, it also require a bit of fumbling around in the BIOS to make the flash drive bootable if it' snot already set up that way. Since I have a floppy drive, and since Asus actually has BIOS flash utilities of all sorts, including ones that run from Windows and one that's built right into the BIOS, using the flash drive is a relatively poor choice for me, but for systems that have no floppy drive and can boot to a flash drive, I see no problems -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:O8BjNFl5IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >I was wrong. My fancy, one-year-old Asus P5B Deluxe does not support >booting to a USB stick. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:O4X82fk5IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> My primary intention was to show Tony the potential difficulties even >> booting to a flash drive. I don't think his machines qualify. But if you >> can boot to a flash drive using whatever OS the BIOS flash requires, then >> I don't see why you can't flash the BIOS using one. What's the difference >> how the OS and BIOS ROM & Utility get loaded into memory before going to >> work? >> >> Anyway, since I believe my machine qualifies under the list of >> requirements mentioned on the page, I'll see if it can be done. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message >> news:eAFz5rg5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Hi Gary, >>> >>> Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? If >>> so, I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Ron Badour >>> MS MVP >>> Windows Desktop Experience >>> >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>I would consider this page a good source on the topic. >>>> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >>>>> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS >>>>> system. It >>>>> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, >>>>> please >>>>> help. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? That second tool from HP will image any drive to a flash drive. I just made a usable BING installation stick imaged from a floppy. Pretty cool! Only thing is when you use the "image from floppy" method, it makes it look JUST like a floppy, including the 1.38 MB capacity. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uGoUs9l5IHA.3768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Wrong again. This board *does* boot to USB flash drive. Thing is, this > board only puts one HD in the list of bootable devices (the others being > my floppy and DVD drives.) then there's another section where you choose > the order of the HDs for purposes of enumeration, the first one being the > one that shows in the boot list. When you have a USB flash drive attached, > it gets enumerated as one an HD. You then have to make it the bootable HD > (first in the list of HDs.) > > I had previously used the first HP tool mentioned in the bootdisk.com > article to make the drive a DOS boot disk, added the DOS BIOS flash tool > from Asus (AFU236U.EXE) and the update ROM file, restarted, it booted to > the flash drive, I used AFU236U to backup the old ROM, then install the > new one. Of course, then it was necessary to check settings afterwards. > > In short, booting from a flash drive for the purposes of flashing the BIOS > is not only possible, it's rather easy, depending on what has to go onto > the flash drive. (If the OS used is not DOS, then I'm not sure what other > tools are available to set up the flash drive properly. In my case, it > also require a bit of fumbling around in the BIOS to make the flash drive > bootable if it' snot already set up that way. > > Since I have a floppy drive, and since Asus actually has BIOS flash > utilities of all sorts, including ones that run from Windows and one > that's built right into the BIOS, using the flash drive is a relatively > poor choice for me, but for systems that have no floppy drive and can boot > to a flash drive, I see no problems > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:O8BjNFl5IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>I was wrong. My fancy, one-year-old Asus P5B Deluxe does not support >>booting to a USB stick. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:O4X82fk5IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> My primary intention was to show Tony the potential difficulties even >>> booting to a flash drive. I don't think his machines qualify. But if you >>> can boot to a flash drive using whatever OS the BIOS flash requires, >>> then I don't see why you can't flash the BIOS using one. What's the >>> difference how the OS and BIOS ROM & Utility get loaded into memory >>> before going to work? >>> >>> Anyway, since I believe my machine qualifies under the list of >>> requirements mentioned on the page, I'll see if it can be done. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message >>> news:eAFz5rg5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Hi Gary, >>>> >>>> Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? >>>> If so, I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Ron Badour >>>> MS MVP >>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>> >>>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>I would consider this page a good source on the topic. >>>>> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >>>>>> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS >>>>>> system. It >>>>>> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, >>>>>> please >>>>>> help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? Correction: The HP Drive Key Boot Utility will only image drive A to the flash drive, limiting the drive to whatever size the floppy disk is. Otherwise it will create a DOS-based bootable disk that allows the full size of the stick to be used for other purposes (DOS utilities, data for transfer, whatever.) The only other function it has is to create an HP firmware upgrade disk. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uUIeaJn5IHA.4084@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > That second tool from HP will image any drive to a flash drive. I just > made a usable BING installation stick imaged from a floppy. Pretty cool! > Only thing is when you use the "image from floppy" method, it makes it > look JUST like a floppy, including the 1.38 MB capacity. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uGoUs9l5IHA.3768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Wrong again. This board *does* boot to USB flash drive. Thing is, this >> board only puts one HD in the list of bootable devices (the others being >> my floppy and DVD drives.) then there's another section where you choose >> the order of the HDs for purposes of enumeration, the first one being the >> one that shows in the boot list. When you have a USB flash drive >> attached, it gets enumerated as one an HD. You then have to make it the >> bootable HD (first in the list of HDs.) >> >> I had previously used the first HP tool mentioned in the bootdisk.com >> article to make the drive a DOS boot disk, added the DOS BIOS flash tool >> from Asus (AFU236U.EXE) and the update ROM file, restarted, it booted to >> the flash drive, I used AFU236U to backup the old ROM, then install the >> new one. Of course, then it was necessary to check settings afterwards. >> >> In short, booting from a flash drive for the purposes of flashing the >> BIOS is not only possible, it's rather easy, depending on what has to go >> onto the flash drive. (If the OS used is not DOS, then I'm not sure what >> other tools are available to set up the flash drive properly. In my case, >> it also require a bit of fumbling around in the BIOS to make the flash >> drive bootable if it' snot already set up that way. >> >> Since I have a floppy drive, and since Asus actually has BIOS flash >> utilities of all sorts, including ones that run from Windows and one >> that's built right into the BIOS, using the flash drive is a relatively >> poor choice for me, but for systems that have no floppy drive and can >> boot to a flash drive, I see no problems >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:O8BjNFl5IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>I was wrong. My fancy, one-year-old Asus P5B Deluxe does not support >>>booting to a USB stick. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:O4X82fk5IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> My primary intention was to show Tony the potential difficulties even >>>> booting to a flash drive. I don't think his machines qualify. But if >>>> you can boot to a flash drive using whatever OS the BIOS flash >>>> requires, then I don't see why you can't flash the BIOS using one. >>>> What's the difference how the OS and BIOS ROM & Utility get loaded into >>>> memory before going to work? >>>> >>>> Anyway, since I believe my machine qualifies under the list of >>>> requirements mentioned on the page, I'll see if it can be done. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eAFz5rg5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> Hi Gary, >>>>> >>>>> Is the procedure you pointed out going to allow him to flash a BIOS? >>>>> If so, I stand corrected on the info in my post to Tony. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Ron Badour >>>>> MS MVP >>>>> Windows Desktop Experience >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>>> news:e8lDaWg5IHA.2240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>I would consider this page a good source on the topic. >>>>>> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>> http://grystmill.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Tony Phan" <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ABADE4E4-27C8-46EE-911B-805348ABD66A@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS >>>>>>> system. It >>>>>>> is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>> help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: How to make bootable flash memory USB in Win98? On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:24:00 -0700, Tony Phan <TonyPhan@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Hi, now we are still using the Windows 98 bootable to flash BIOS system. It >is very usefully to boot by USB flash memory but I don't know how, please >help. > >Thanks. In addition to what others have said, you may find that your BIOS can either treat your flash drive as a hard disc with an MBR and partition table, or as a "super floppy", ie an un-partitioned drive where the first physical sector is a boot sector. IIRC, the super floppy gets a drive letter of B: in DOS mode, but I'm very hazy on this. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
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