Guest Kaja Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Hi, recently I made a big mistake and wanted to tell others so they would not suffer the same fate I did. I saw programs saying they could speed up my computer and optimize performance by checking the registry and fixing problems. Programs such as Reg Cure and Spy Bot search and destroy. I used these programs and they messed up my computer bad. The registry is basically a database of files and has nothing to do with speed I learned later. Microsoft reccomends only advanced users alter it and MS has their own editing program for advanced users. Windows has buil in tools to speed up your computer which are reliable and safe. See this article: http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/getstarted/speed.mspx Hope this helps someone else. Kaja
Guest Elmo Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Kaja wrote: > Hi, recently I made a big mistake and wanted to tell others so they would not > suffer the same fate I did. I saw programs saying they could speed up my > computer and optimize performance by checking the registry and fixing > problems. Programs such as Reg Cure and Spy Bot search and destroy. I used > these programs and they messed up my computer bad. The registry is basically > a database of files and has nothing to do with speed I learned later. > Microsoft recommends only advanced users alter it and MS has their own > editing program for advanced users. Windows has built-in tools to speed up > your computer which are reliable and safe. See this article: > http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/getstarted/speed.mspx > Hope this helps someone else. > Kaja It's doubtful SpyBot S&D was the cause; its function is to scan for spyware and remove, inoculate you to prevent some spyware, and it even finds some other malware such as an occasional virus or the like. -- Joe =o)
Guest MowGreen [MVP] Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Elmo wrote: > Kaja wrote: > >>Hi, recently I made a big mistake and wanted to tell others so they would not >>suffer the same fate I did. I saw programs saying they could speed up my >>computer and optimize performance by checking the registry and fixing >>problems. Programs such as Reg Cure and Spy Bot search and destroy. I used >>these programs and they messed up my computer bad. The registry is basically >>a database of files and has nothing to do with speed I learned later. >>Microsoft recommends only advanced users alter it and MS has their own >>editing program for advanced users. Windows has built-in tools to speed up >>your computer which are reliable and safe. See this article: >>http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/getstarted/speed.mspx >>Hope this helps someone else. >>Kaja > > > It's doubtful SpyBot S&D was the cause; its function is to scan for > spyware and remove, inoculate you to prevent some spyware, and it even > finds some other malware such as an occasional virus or the like. > That's IF Spybot was only used to remove malwares. There are other functions of it that can lead to issues in the hands of a novice. Such as Process List, System Internals [reg checker], and/or System Startup. MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten ===============
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Kaja wrote: > Hi, recently I made a big mistake and wanted to tell others so they would not > suffer the same fate I did. I saw programs saying they could speed up my > computer and optimize performance by checking the registry and fixing > problems. Programs such as Reg Cure and Spy Bot search and destroy. I used > these programs and they messed up my computer bad. I've no doubt that all of your troubles can be laid at the feet of RegCure. No registry "cleaner" does anything useful, and they all carry a risk of causing damage, as you've learned, first-hand. However, it's highly unlikely (though admittedly not impossible) that SpyBot Search & Destroy did any damage. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of SpyBot now has a registry cleaner and some other tools that cause me concern (I'd never use them), besides Tea-Timer (a drag on performance), SDHelper and Immunize, which I also shy away from. I install SpyBot S&D with no add-ons. I run Spybot strictly as an on-demand scanner and use it for nothing else. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:eloanMu5IHA.3768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Kaja wrote: >> Hi, recently I made a big mistake and wanted to tell others so they would >> not suffer the same fate I did. I saw programs saying they could speed >> up my computer and optimize performance by checking the registry and >> fixing problems. Programs such as Reg Cure and Spy Bot search and >> destroy. I used these programs and they messed up my computer bad. > > > I've no doubt that all of your troubles can be laid at the feet of > RegCure. No registry "cleaner" does anything useful, and they all carry a > risk of causing damage, as you've learned, first-hand. > > However, it's highly unlikely (though admittedly not impossible) that > SpyBot Search & Destroy did any damage. > > > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand > Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Lil' Dave Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Whether you are seasoned veteran at registry mods, or, a newbie letting some registry mod program do its thing, you have to have full backup of the OS partition before proceeding. Many people use an image backup application for the backup. Along with that, some registry mods may not be visible for sometime for one reason or the other. In that case, you need the image backup at the time, AND, any changes of data and settings since that point. That's when it get's hairy at the least. For that reason, I don't recommend registry mod/cleaning programs. -- Dave Bailout: Friend, relative, business acquaintance paying a sum to get the accused out of jail until court is ready to proceed. Bailout: U.S. taxpayers paying a sum of money for some critical business failure that was fleecing the taxpayer to begin with. Somehow, the word "bailout" seems very different. "Kaja" <Kaja@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0FF22B70-4880-446F-8AA1-14C4687A4ABA@microsoft.com... > Hi, recently I made a big mistake and wanted to tell others so they would > not > suffer the same fate I did. I saw programs saying they could speed up my > computer and optimize performance by checking the registry and fixing > problems. Programs such as Reg Cure and Spy Bot search and destroy. I > used > these programs and they messed up my computer bad. The registry is > basically > a database of files and has nothing to do with speed I learned later. > Microsoft reccomends only advanced users alter it and MS has their own > editing program for advanced users. Windows has buil in tools to speed up > your computer which are reliable and safe. See this article: > http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/getstarted/speed.mspx > Hope this helps someone else. > Kaja >
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of SpyBot > now has a registry cleaner ..... Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending its use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have just lost all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Ron Badour Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Bruce and Gary, I don't think it is a registry cleaner per se. One of the elements that can be optionally installed is the Tea Timer and it gives a choice on whether or not to allow registry changes. See the FAQ here: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/faq/33.html Like Gary, I don't like either feature and just use malware detection. I found the SDhelper option was blocking a user from using the Pogo game site and this was not at all obvious when I first started looking into the problem. I stumbled upon the answer after troubleshooting for about an hour. Pogo had no info on it so I sent them an email about the solution. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:%23bjCMr65IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of >> SpyBot now has a registry cleaner ..... > > > Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending its > use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have just lost > all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". > > > > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand > Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: warning registry activity Set it for Advanced Mode, a set of menus will appear at far bottom left. In Tools, it's called System Internals. Limited functions compared to most Registry Cleaners, and selecting only certain items is a PITA, but it does allow you to Export the REG keys before fixing. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message news:%23JZ7ly75IHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Bruce and Gary, > > I don't think it is a registry cleaner per se. One of the elements that > can be optionally installed is the Tea Timer and it gives a choice on > whether or not to allow registry changes. See the FAQ here: > http://www.safer-networking.org/en/faq/33.html > > Like Gary, I don't like either feature and just use malware detection. I > found the SDhelper option was blocking a user from using the Pogo game > site and this was not at all obvious when I first started looking into the > problem. I stumbled upon the answer after troubleshooting for about an > hour. Pogo had no info on it so I sent them an email about the solution. > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP > Windows Desktop Experience > > > "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message > news:%23bjCMr65IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of >>> SpyBot now has a registry cleaner ..... >> >> >> Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending its >> use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have just lost >> all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Bruce Chambers >> >> Help us help you: >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 >> >> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin >> >> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand >> Russell >> >> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has >> killed a great many philosophers. >> ~ Denis Diderot > >
Guest Twayne Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 OT Re: warning registry activity OT Re: warning registry activity > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of >> SpyBot now has a registry cleaner ..... > > > Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending > its use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have > just lost all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". lol, boy, does that say a lot about you! Based on one person's interpretation of something, without even checking it yourself, you ban something and say it lost all credibility (meaning with YOU, but you left that out). Talk about loss of credibility! Your closed mind is much easier to understand in this new light; you're strictly a follower! How do you stand it, knowing that your registry is constantly being written to, and organized by, just simple use of your computer? Can I assume you have your registry files all set for read-only? I don't think so! You should grab a registry monitor and watch your registry at work someday - odds are great you'll be very surprised. I'd suggest you must use nothing but VB6 apps (which still write to the registry, just much less) but then I see you use MOZ FF and a couple others too, so ... even FF writes to the registry for its location id. What a chowderhead
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: warning registry activity On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:16:29 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Set it for Advanced Mode, a set of menus will appear at far bottom left. In > Tools, it's called System Internals. Limited functions compared to most > Registry Cleaners, and selecting only certain items is a PITA, but it does > allow you to Export the REG keys before fixing. Interesting. I hadn't noticed that before. Thanks for pointing it out. > "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddressBuddy.com> wrote in message > news:%23JZ7ly75IHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > Bruce and Gary, > > > > I don't think it is a registry cleaner per se. One of the elements that > > can be optionally installed is the Tea Timer and it gives a choice on > > whether or not to allow registry changes. See the FAQ here: > > http://www.safer-networking.org/en/faq/33.html > > > > Like Gary, I don't like either feature and just use malware detection. I > > found the SDhelper option was blocking a user from using the Pogo game > > site and this was not at all obvious when I first started looking into the > > problem. I stumbled upon the answer after troubleshooting for about an > > hour. Pogo had no info on it so I sent them an email about the solution. > > -- > > Regards > > > > Ron Badour > > MS MVP > > Windows Desktop Experience > > > > > > "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message > > news:%23bjCMr65IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > >>> Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of > >>> SpyBot now has a registry cleaner ..... > >> > >> > >> Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending its > >> use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have just lost > >> all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Bruce Chambers > >> > >> Help us help you: > >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > >> > >> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > >> > >> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand > >> Russell > >> > >> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > >> killed a great many philosophers. > >> ~ Denis Diderot > > > > > -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: OT Re: warning registry activity Re: OT Re: warning registry activity Anyone who has ever had to fix or even rebuild a computer after their client tried some various Registry Cleaner, etc., based upon advertising on the internet, knows what dangerous (and potentially very expensive) crap they are. You, of course, are a total idiot, so you know nothing. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:eHbRJ0B6IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of >>> SpyBot now has a registry cleaner ..... >> >> >> Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending >> its use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have >> just lost all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". > > lol, boy, does that say a lot about you! Based on one person's > interpretation of something, without even checking it yourself, you ban > something and say it lost all credibility (meaning with YOU, but you left > that out). > Talk about loss of credibility! Your closed mind is much easier to > understand in this new light; you're strictly a follower! > > How do you stand it, knowing that your registry is constantly being > written to, and organized by, just simple use of your computer? Can I > assume you have your registry files all set for read-only? I don't think > so! You should grab a registry monitor and watch your registry at work > someday - odds are great you'll be very surprised. > I'd suggest you must use nothing but VB6 apps (which still write to the > registry, just much less) but then I see you use MOZ FF and a couple > others too, so ... even FF writes to the registry for its location id. > > What a chowderhead > >
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: OT Re: warning registry activity Re: OT Re: warning registry activity Twayne wrote: >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> Not sure if I just never saw them before, but the latest version of >>> SpyBot now has a registry cleaner ..... >> >> Thanks for the update, Gary. I guess I'll have to stop recommending >> its use, even for its original, intended purpose. The makers have >> just lost all credibility by including a registry "cleaner.". > > lol, boy, does that say a lot about you! Based on one person's > interpretation of something,.... Ah! But that "one person" is someone I've met, and whose technical experience and knowledge, which I've come to respect over the years, has been proven, time and time again. His assessments can be trusted. > ... without even checking it yourself, Who said I didn't check it out for myself? Oh, that's right, you said it. Unfortunately, you've already amply demonstrated exactly how tenuous your grasp of reality is. > you ban > something .... I "banned" nothing. I said I would stop recommending it. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? > and say it lost all credibility (meaning with YOU, but you > left that out). I "left it out" because to include it would have been redundant. Why state the obvious? I mean, it's not like I'm posting for _your_ benefit. > Talk about loss of credibility! Your closed mind is much easier to > understand in this new light; you're strictly a follower! > Ah! Of course. Your usual technical discussion: resort immediately to name-calling. > How do you stand it, knowing that your registry is constantly being > written to, and organized by, just simple use of your computer? Er...., Hello? That's what it's designed to do. So what? > Can I > assume you have your registry files all set for read-only? I don't > think so! You can assume anything you like, particularly since you seem unusually adverse to facts and/or actual knowledge. > You should grab a registry monitor and watch your registry at > work someday - odds are great you'll be very surprised. Hardly. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: OT Re: warning registry activity Re: OT Re: warning registry activity I didn't really read the previous. The below is, well..... ROTFLMAOPIMP!!!!!! Owwwww!!! It hurts my head! How can anyone that stupid even FIND the newsgroups? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:eI6X6GH6IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Twayne wrote: <snip>> >> How do you stand it, knowing that your registry is constantly being >> written to, and organized by, just simple use of your computer? > > > Er...., Hello? That's what it's designed to do. So what? > > >> Can I assume you have your registry files all set for read-only? I don't >> think so! > > > > You can assume anything you like, particularly since you seem unusually > adverse to facts and/or actual knowledge. > > >> You should grab a registry monitor and watch your registry at work >> someday - odds are great you'll be very surprised. > > > Hardly.
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