Guest talkinggoat Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Does anyone know of any statistics or articles available regarding how companies that allow their non-qualified employees to manage their servers, networks and desktops cause more damage than good... or something like that?
Guest Danny Sanders Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server Pointing out the training that one has to go through to be "qualified" to manage the servers would lead to the common sense conclusion that a person without that training could not do the job adequately. Look at the training involved in getting qualified. hth DDS "talkinggoat" <johnmclaren_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4e124933-9715-42c4-841c-e86d88700aa2@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > Does anyone know of any statistics or articles available regarding how > companies that allow their non-qualified employees to manage their > servers, networks and desktops cause more damage than good... or > something like that?
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server >Does anyone know of any statistics or articles available regarding how >companies that allow their non-qualified employees to manage their >servers, networks and desktops cause more damage than good... or >something like that? Not that I am aware. I would likely surmise that any employer (read: Management / Director / Coordinator / etc.) who tries to shift blame to an employee who is not qualified to manage a server via statistics might as well just fire themselves for ineptitude or allowing a non-qualified person to manage their server in the first place. If statistics like this did exist, they would point in the opposite direction of the employee. - Thee Chicago Wolf ---- Posted via Pronews.com - Premium Corporate Usenet News Provider ---- http://www.pronews.com offers corporate packages that have access to 100,000+ newsgroups
Guest Meinolf Weber Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server Hello talkinggoat, If you or your management decide to allow non trained/qualified people to manage servers, you will blame yourself. So don't search for a statistic, train the people that should manage something on your servers. The statistic will not help you if problems occur. Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > Does anyone know of any statistics or articles available regarding how > companies that allow their non-qualified employees to manage their > servers, networks and desktops cause more damage than good... or > something like that? >
Guest Hank Arnold (MVP) Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server talkinggoat wrote: > Does anyone know of any statistics or articles available regarding how > companies that allow their non-qualified employees to manage their > servers, networks and desktops cause more damage than good... or > something like that? I'm curious as to why you are asking this question.... If you are an I.T. person working for a company that wants to do this, get your resume in order and get out....fast.... You are sitting on a time bomb.... You are being set up for the fall...... I know several "qualified" people (as in MSCE qualified) who I would never let near my network.... The proposition that an "un-qualified" person would even get into my server room is grounds for my leaving. -- Regards, Hank Arnold Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Directory Services
Guest Edric Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT), talkinggoat <johnmclaren_99@yahoo.com> wrote: >Does anyone know of any statistics or articles available regarding how >companies that allow their non-qualified employees to manage their >servers, networks and desktops cause more damage than good... or >something like that? What makes a person "qualified?" What "training" are we talking about? I would take a person who has practical experience but no book learning over a person who has all the classroom training, strings of initials, but no real world experience any day. I've managed many networks just fine but have never had formal training - just YEARS of experience.
Guest talkinggoat Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server I own an IT consulting firm, and, in the area of the country that we work, people (especially managers) don't have the common sense to budget generously for IT. They commonly allow their employees to run ramped across the web, install whatever web games the want and, gasp, manage their servers. For some reason, they don't understand that communication and their IT solution is the heart of their business. Even when an employee brings down the network, it still doesn't sink in. What's even more frightening is some of these are insurance companies, with thousands of social security numbers. I'm sure I don't even have to say what would happen if they got the wrong virus. They do have unified virus scanners, but that's like a bullet proof vest. It may stop a pistol, but not a tank. When I tell them this, I get blank looks or statements like "how much does it cost" I need information to help them see past the cost factor and get them to understand that the cost of loosing their business is worth far more than the cost of a maintenance plan or gateway server. Any suggestions that anyone has would be helpful.
Guest SF Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server On Jul 17, 8:28 am, talkinggoat <johnmclaren...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I own an IT consulting firm, and, in the area of the country that we > work, people (especially managers) don't have the common sense to > budget generously for IT. They commonly allow their employees to run > ramped across the web, install whatever web games the want and, gasp, > manage their servers. For some reason, they don't understand that > communication and their IT solution is the heart of their business. > Even when an employee brings down the network, it still doesn't sink > in. What's even more frightening is some of these are insurance > companies, with thousands of social security numbers. I'm sure I don't > even have to say what would happen if they got the wrong virus. They > do have unified virus scanners, but that's like a bullet proof vest. > It may stop a pistol, but not a tank. When I tell them this, I get > blank looks or statements like "how much does it cost" I need > information to help them see past the cost factor and get them to > understand that the cost of loosing their business is worth far more > than the cost of a maintenance plan or gateway server. Any suggestions > that anyone has would be helpful. My advice would be to try and avoid clients that do not place a value on your services or on business continuity. In the end you will find that they are difficult to deal with and never ever understand why they need to pay for something that "ain't broke". You may start with a list of industry best practices or even testimony showing them what the leaders in their field are doing. That can work for potential customers. Existing ones that don't value IT service can be convinced with a really big and scary "near miss".
Guest Leythos Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Re: Damage cause by employees managing server In article <5541d454-3554-4213-87fd- 272e1abb3eef@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, johnmclaren_99@yahoo.com says... > I own an IT consulting firm, and, in the area of the country that we > work, people (especially managers) don't have the common sense to > budget generously for IT. They commonly allow their employees to run > ramped across the web, install whatever web games the want and, gasp, > manage their servers. For some reason, they don't understand that > communication and their IT solution is the heart of their business. > Even when an employee brings down the network, it still doesn't sink > in. > I own an run an IT company with many clients across the USA, almost none of them have on-site IT people and while all of them have the admin passwords to the servers, firewalls, etc... I can't recall the last time any of them have actually used them. We take ANY business and restructure it so that users are LIMITED Users, very few, if any, are local Admins. We implement content filtering on HTTP and SMTP, don't allow unrestricted outbound, block anything not part of the business, and life runs smoothly for them. With just about any business that allows open internet use, you can normally show them a 30% increase in productivity by just implementing content filtering and access to business partner websites - after the first week/two weeks of the players complaining.... If you're not able to show them the benefits based on your own experiences and understanding then you're not going to be able to do it from messages posted here in Usenet. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
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