re-installing XP Home blues

July 16, 2008

I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

(service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard drive.

I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade that I

already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

operating system the key came back invalid.

So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It also

came back invalid.

I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it. one

of them eventualy came through as valid.

Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The validation

tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the automated

system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

Windows" when I try to update.

How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to Vista

or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't been

used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by starting over

with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a replacement key. However,

according to this article, Windows 95 is not an accepted path for upgrading

to Windows XP of any stripe. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support. To

locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following Microsoft Web

site:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

$120, depending on the package you buy.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

>I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

> drive.

> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade that

> I

> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

> operating system the key came back invalid.

> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

> also

> came back invalid.

> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

> one

> of them eventualy came through as valid.

>

> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

> validation

> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

> automated

> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

> Windows" when I try to update.

>

> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

> Vista

> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

While the Microsoft article might state that "Windows 95 is not an accepted

path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe," in reality Win 95 could

always be used as a qualifying product for upgrading to XP.

It was a bug in XP that Microsoft never bothered to fix since XP was first

released, and it's not exactly been a secret.

Alan

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:uil3Tzw5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't been

> used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by starting

> over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a replacement key.

> However, according to this article, Windows 95 is not an accepted path for

> upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

>

> From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

> To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support.

> To locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following Microsoft

> Web site:

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

>

> Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

> $120, depending on the package you buy.

> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

>>I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

>> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

>> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

>> drive.

>> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade

>> that I

>> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

>> operating system the key came back invalid.

>> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

>> also

>> came back invalid.

>> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

>> one

>> of them eventualy came through as valid.

>>

>> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

>> validation

>> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

>> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

>> automated

>> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

>> Windows" when I try to update.

>>

>> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

>> Vista

>> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

>

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

Alan wrote:

> While the Microsoft article might state that "Windows 95 is not an accepted

> path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe," in reality Win 95 could

> always be used as a qualifying product for upgrading to XP.

>

> It was a bug in XP that Microsoft never bothered to fix since XP was first

> released, and it's not exactly been a secret.

>

> Alan

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:uil3Tzw5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't been

>> used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by starting

>> over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a replacement key.

>> However, according to this article, Windows 95 is not an accepted path for

>> upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

>>

>> From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

>> To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support.

>> To locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following Microsoft

>> Web site:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

>>

>> Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

>> $120, depending on the package you buy.

>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

>>> I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

>>> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

>>> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

>>> drive.

>>> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade

>>> that I

>>> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

>>> operating system the key came back invalid.

>>> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

>>> also

>>> came back invalid.

>>> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

>>> one

>>> of them eventualy came through as valid.

>>>

>>> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

>>> validation

>>> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

>>> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

>>> automated

>>> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

>>> Windows" when I try to update.

>>>

>>> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

>>> Vista

>>> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

>>

>

And if my memory serves me, you don't have to load 95 to load XP. Just

load XP and at some point it will tell you it needs to search for a

valid upgrade version, make sure the 95 CD is in the drive, remove the

XP CD. It may or will give you an option to specify the CD rom. Just

read the screen carefully. When validated, just put the XP cd back in

to finish the upgrade. And of course use your XP license key.

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:04:25 -0400, "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not>

wrote:

> While the Microsoft article might state that "Windows 95 is not an accepted

> path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe," in reality Win 95 could

> always be used as a qualifying product for upgrading to XP.

Not exactly. It's never been possible to upgrade directly from 95 to

XP (although it appears that Aikon-AmandaB is saying he did that,

something must be wrong with what he says). However, it has always

been possible to use a Windows 95 CD as proof of ownership of a

qualifying product when doing a clean installation with the XP upgrade

CD.

> It was a bug in XP

Well, maybe. I've always suspected that it might be a bug, but I've

seen any confirmation of it anywhere. Have you?

> that Microsoft never bothered to fix since XP was first

> released, and it's not exactly been a secret.

>

> Alan

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:uil3Tzw5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't been

> > used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by starting

> > over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a replacement key.

> > However, according to this article, Windows 95 is not an accepted path for

> > upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

> >

> > From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

> > To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support.

> > To locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following Microsoft

> > Web site:

> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

> >

> > Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

> > $120, depending on the package you buy.

> > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

> >

> > --

> > Gary S. Terhune

> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > http://grystmill.com

> >

> > "Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

> >>I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

> >> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

> >> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

> >> drive.

> >> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade

> >> that I

> >> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

> >> operating system the key came back invalid.

> >> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

> >> also

> >> came back invalid.

> >> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

> >> one

> >> of them eventualy came through as valid.

> >>

> >> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

> >> validation

> >> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

> >> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

> >> automated

> >> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

> >> Windows" when I try to update.

> >>

> >> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

> >> Vista

> >> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

> >

>

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't

> been used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by

> starting over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a

> replacement key. However, according to this article, Windows 95 is

> not an accepted path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

Are you sure? My understanding is that an *in-place* upgrade is not

supported. However, I don't see why a clean install is not permitted.

See:

http://mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/upgrade.php

"Windows 95 Official Retail and OEM CD-ROMs are taken as qualifying

media for use with the upgrade version of Windows XP Home or

Professional."

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

Thanks for the info, especially as amended by Ken. It's probably something I

*did* know at some point, but a few years of seizures have wreaked havoc

with my memory.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message

news:ui2nbz05IHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> While the Microsoft article might state that "Windows 95 is not an

> accepted path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe," in reality Win

> 95 could always be used as a qualifying product for upgrading to XP.

>

> It was a bug in XP that Microsoft never bothered to fix since XP was first

> released, and it's not exactly been a secret.

>

> Alan

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:uil3Tzw5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't been

>> used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by starting

>> over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a replacement key.

>> However, according to this article, Windows 95 is not an accepted path

>> for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

>>

>> From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

>> To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support.

>> To locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following Microsoft

>> Web site:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

>>

>> Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

>> $120, depending on the package you buy.

>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

>>>I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

>>> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

>>> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

>>> drive.

>>> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade

>>> that I

>>> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

>>> operating system the key came back invalid.

>>> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

>>> also

>>> came back invalid.

>>> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

>>> one

>>> of them eventualy came through as valid.

>>>

>>> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

>>> validation

>>> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

>>> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

>>> automated

>>> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

>>> Windows" when I try to update.

>>>

>>> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

>>> Vista

>>> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

>>

>

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:35:07 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Thanks for the info, especially as amended by Ken. It's probably something I

> *did* know at some point, but a few years of seizures have wreaked havoc

> with my memory.

You're welcome, Gary.

> "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message

> news:ui2nbz05IHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > While the Microsoft article might state that "Windows 95 is not an

> > accepted path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe," in reality Win

> > 95 could always be used as a qualifying product for upgrading to XP.

> >

> > It was a bug in XP that Microsoft never bothered to fix since XP was first

> > released, and it's not exactly been a secret.

> >

> > Alan

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> > news:uil3Tzw5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't been

> >> used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by starting

> >> over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a replacement key.

> >> However, according to this article, Windows 95 is not an accepted path

> >> for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

> >>

> >> From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

> >> To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support.

> >> To locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following Microsoft

> >> Web site:

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

> >>

> >> Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

> >> $120, depending on the package you buy.

> >> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> http://grystmill.com

> >>

> >> "Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> >> message news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

> >>>I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

> >>> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

> >>> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

> >>> drive.

> >>> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade

> >>> that I

> >>> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

> >>> operating system the key came back invalid.

> >>> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

> >>> also

> >>> came back invalid.

> >>> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

> >>> one

> >>> of them eventualy came through as valid.

> >>>

> >>> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

> >>> validation

> >>> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

> >>> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

> >>> automated

> >>> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

> >>> Windows" when I try to update.

> >>>

> >>> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

> >>> Vista

> >>> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

> >>

> >

>

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

No, of course I'm not sure. I've learned to NEVER be sure about ANYTHING

when it comes to computers.

I was taking Microsoft's word for it. As you'll note, it's not something

that in practice makes any sense other than it's a bug in XP. We've had two

different answers besides mine.

--That Win95 is totally a part of the upgrade path (and that fact just got

left out of the KB article?)

-- That you can't upgrade in place but you CAN use a Win95 CD to prove

eligibility, further suggesting the "bug" theory.

Note that there is no mention anywhere that Win95 floppy installation disks

can be used to prove eligibility. Which begs the question whether Win98

installation floppies (rare as they are), can be used for the purpose. (Oh

no, I happen to be in a position to test all this stuff! Horrors!)

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't

>> been used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by

>> starting over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a

>> replacement key. However, according to this article, Windows 95 is

>> not an accepted path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

>

> Are you sure? My understanding is that an *in-place* upgrade is not

> supported. However, I don't see why a clean install is not permitted. See:

>

> http://mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/upgrade.php

>

> "Windows 95 Official Retail and OEM CD-ROMs are taken as qualifying media

> for use with the upgrade version of Windows XP Home or Professional."

>

July 16, 2008

Re: re-installing XP Home blues

You're welcome.

Alan

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:OytfzQ55IHA.2544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for the info, especially as amended by Ken. It's probably something

> I *did* know at some point, but a few years of seizures have wreaked havoc

> with my memory.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message

> news:ui2nbz05IHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> While the Microsoft article might state that "Windows 95 is not an

>> accepted path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe," in reality Win

>> 95 could always be used as a qualifying product for upgrading to XP.

>>

>> It was a bug in XP that Microsoft never bothered to fix since XP was

>> first released, and it's not exactly been a secret.

>>

>> Alan

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:uil3Tzw5IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> If the Upgrade copy is no longer installed on any machine and hasn't

>>> been used as a qualifying product for further upgrade, you do it by

>>> starting over with the legal copy and calling Microsoft for a

>>> replacement key. However, according to this article, Windows 95 is not

>>> an accepted path for upgrading to Windows XP of any stripe.

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607/en-us

>>>

>>> From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

>>> To replace a product key, contact Microsoft Customer Service and

>>> Support. To locate the appropriate telephone number, visit the following

>>> Microsoft Web site:

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;CNTACTMS

>>>

>>> Windows XP does not cost "hundreds" of dollars. More like an average of

>>> $120, depending on the package you buy.

>>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+xp+system+builder

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Aikon-AmandaB" <Aikon-AmandaB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>> message news:FDF83DE5-1225-489D-ACA6-B6F76A7EB9D3@microsoft.com...

>>>>I bought a rebuild computer from a second hand store that had XP Home

>>>> (service pack 3) pre-installed on it.

>>>> This morning my master drive siezed so I had to go and buy a new hard

>>>> drive.

>>>> I installed a (lagit) copy of Windows '95 and (ligit) XP Home Upgrade

>>>> that I

>>>> already owned, and when I went to input the product key from the old

>>>> operating system the key came back invalid.

>>>> So I used the product key from the copy of XP I had just installed. It

>>>> also

>>>> came back invalid.

>>>> I have a little book with all the product keys I have ever used in it.

>>>> one

>>>> of them eventualy came through as valid.

>>>>

>>>> Everything was going good until I tried to install updates. The

>>>> validation

>>>> tool came up with an invalid copy of Windows.

>>>> I have successfuly validated the product key twice (once with the

>>>> automated

>>>> system and once with a human), but I still recieve an "invalid copy of

>>>> Windows" when I try to update.

>>>>

>>>> How do I get my copy of windows validated without haveing to switch to

>>>> Vista

>>>> or spending hundreds of dollars on a new copy of XP?

>>>

>>

>

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