Guest FrankY Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Hi, i know that application must be installed while users a logged off and in install mode. Question 1: im i right or there is a way to install apps any-time on a terminal RDP production server ? Question 2: do windows updates (as well as office update) need to be install in "installation mode" ? Thank's -- Frank
Guest moncho Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Installation of applications while user are logged on. FrankY wrote: > Hi, i know that application must be installed while users a logged off and in > install mode. > > Question 1: im i right or there is a way to install apps any-time on a > terminal RDP production server ? Yes. > > Question 2: do windows updates (as well as office update) need to be install > in "installation mode" ? If they are installed via Windows Update, Windows Update will put the server in install mode for you. Whether you want to install these programs and updates while users are logged in is up to you. I would not recommend it though, just for sanity sake. moncho
Guest Jon Wallace Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Installation of applications while user are logged on. Hi Frank, The reason typically applications have to be installed when user's are off the machine is because during install, a terminal service (a server with terminal services in application mode) will track any changes written to HKCU and copy them to another location - HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Terminal Server\Install\Software What happens then is when other users log on, those settings are propergated into their HKCU thus making the application work... There is also the same mechanism with files too but you get the point... If you install an application when user's are on the machine there is the potential that data will go into the HKLM section which is not really part of the app. So hopefully that answers Q1 as to why you need to install without users on the machine. Now, Q2 is also related to the above however with updates there is typically no user data (DLL's are replaced and stuff) so you're normally safe to update without affecting the machine. Hope this helps... Cheers, Jon ----- "FrankY" <FrankY@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BEEE916D-C1ED-4B5B-BB54-141EC4ABF6B9@microsoft.com... > Hi, i know that application must be installed while users a logged off and > in > install mode. > > Question 1: im i right or there is a way to install apps any-time on a > terminal RDP production server ? > > Question 2: do windows updates (as well as office update) need to be > install > in "installation mode" ? > > Thank's > > -- > Frank
Guest Jon Wallace Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Re: Installation of applications while user are logged on. Hi Frank, The reason typically applications have to be installed when user's are off the machine is because during install, a terminal service (a server with terminal services in application mode) will track any changes written to HKCU and copy them to another location - HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Terminal Server\Install\Software What happens then is when other users log on, those settings are propergated into their HKCU thus making the application work... There is also the same mechanism with files too but you get the point... If you install an application when user's are on the machine there is the potential that data will go into the HKLM section which is not really part of the app. So hopefully that answers Q1 as to why you need to install without users on the machine. Now, Q2 is also related to the above however with updates there is typically no user data (DLL's are replaced and stuff) so you're normally safe to update without affecting the machine. Hope this helps... Cheers, Jon ----- "FrankY" <FrankY@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BEEE916D-C1ED-4B5B-BB54-141EC4ABF6B9@microsoft.com... > Hi, i know that application must be installed while users a logged off and > in > install mode. > > Question 1: im i right or there is a way to install apps any-time on a > terminal RDP production server ? > > Question 2: do windows updates (as well as office update) need to be > install > in "installation mode" ? > > Thank's > > -- > Frank
Guest Jeff Pitsch Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Re: Installation of applications while user are logged on. I would disagree because the server is still put into install mode. Even though there may not be any per user settings (and your simply taking a chance that there isn't you have no true way of knowing what is being done in a patch or not without thorough up front work) the server is still in install mode. So the answer is resounding NO do not install ANYTHING when users are on the system. Jeff Pitsch Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services "Jon Wallace" <info@insidetheregistry.com> wrote in message news:e0J2GNP6IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > Hi Frank, > > The reason typically applications have to be installed when user's are off > the machine is because during install, a terminal service (a server with > terminal services in application mode) will track any changes written to > HKCU and copy them to another location - > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Terminal > Server\Install\Software > > What happens then is when other users log on, those settings are > propergated > into their HKCU thus making the application work... There is also the > same > mechanism with files too but you get the point... > > If you install an application when user's are on the machine there is the > potential that data will go into the HKLM section which is not really part > of the app. So hopefully that answers Q1 as to why you need to install > without users on the machine. > > Now, Q2 is also related to the above however with updates there is > typically > no user data (DLL's are replaced and stuff) so you're normally safe to > update without affecting the machine. > > Hope this helps... > > Cheers, > Jon > > ----- > > "FrankY" <FrankY@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:BEEE916D-C1ED-4B5B-BB54-141EC4ABF6B9@microsoft.com... >> Hi, i know that application must be installed while users a logged off >> and >> in >> install mode. >> >> Question 1: im i right or there is a way to install apps any-time on a >> terminal RDP production server ? >> >> Question 2: do windows updates (as well as office update) need to be >> install >> in "installation mode" ? >> >> Thank's >> >> -- >> Frank >
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