Two video cards

July 22, 2008

If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the system

crash?

Just curious.

July 22, 2008

Re: Two video cards

yes because even

though your monitor

is plugged into one

of them, the old card

is still being registered

by your operating system.

some bio's allow you to

disable unwanted port

via the bios.

but frankly speaking it is

not worth then time or

trouble to have any unwanted

unused components

installed.

make your pc life problem

free and simply toss out the

old card into the "green" bin.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

"Phillip944"

<Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message

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> If you install a new video

> card without removing the

> old one, will the system

> crash?

>

> Just curious.

July 22, 2008

RE: Two video cards

I've added a second video card and had no problems. the system automatically

disabled the old one (because it was integrated).

"Phillip944" wrote:

> If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the system

> crash?

>

> Just curious.

July 22, 2008

Re: Two video cards

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:33:01 -0700, Phillip944

<Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the system

> crash?

No.

In fact, many people have two video cards installed to provide support

for multiple monitors. One of my XP machines here has two video cards

(although it presently has only a single monitor installed)

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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July 22, 2008

Re: Two video cards

"Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the

> system

> crash?

>

> Just curious.

The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two cards is

a common configuration.

Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if those

aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may not

boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of card

in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

HTH

-pk

July 22, 2008

Re: Two video cards - II

Re: Two video cards - II

incidentally, another point

that should be considered is

that having unused components

installed only increases the

probability that they will

become faulty or outdated and

will cause your system to

become unstable.

at which time you will spend a

great deal of time doing virus

checks, spyware checks, etc..

because you had forgotten

about the unused components.

therefore you really should

help your self and your system

and realize that there is

absolutely no point in having

components installed on your

system that no longer serve a

useful purpose.

such unused components, until

they become faulty simply

reduce your system resources

as well.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

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> yes because even

> though your monitor

> is plugged into one

> of them, the old card

> is still being registered

> by your operating system.

>

> some bio's allow you to

> disable unwanted port

> via the bios.

>

> but frankly speaking it is

> not worth then time or

> trouble to have any unwanted

> unused components

> installed.

>

> make your pc life problem

> free and simply toss out the

> old card into the "green"

> bin.

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Phillip944"

> <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote in message

> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

>> If you install a new video

>> card without removing the

>> old one, will the system

>> crash?

>>

>> Just curious.

>

July 23, 2008

Re: Two video cards

A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my brains

out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI Radeon

HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was never

resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going to do

a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

What do you think.

"Patrick Keenan" wrote:

> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the

> > system

> > crash?

> >

> > Just curious.

>

> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two cards is

> a common configuration.

>

> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if those

> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may not

> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of card

> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

>

> HTH

> -pk

>

July 23, 2008

Re: Two video cards

"Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

>A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

> difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

> brains

> out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

> Radeon

> HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

> never

> resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going to

> do

> a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

>

> What do you think.

Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the PC

even knows that there's an OS installed.

Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it doesn't

boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

replacement.

HTH

-pk

> "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>

>> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

>> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the

>> > system

>> > crash?

>> >

>> > Just curious.

>>

>> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two cards

>> is

>> a common configuration.

>>

>> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if those

>> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may not

>> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of

>> card

>> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

>>

>> HTH

>> -pk

>>

July 23, 2008

Re: Two video cards

I understand what you're saying, and really appreciate your input. However,

the one thing I don't get is... why would the computer boot up, work for

10-20 minutes, then freeze, reboot or blue screen? After that... when I hit

the power button, the beeping starts. No codes, just continuous beeping.

It's driving me crazy!!

"Patrick Keenan" wrote:

> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

> >A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

> > difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

> > brains

> > out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

> > Radeon

> > HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

> > never

> > resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going to

> > do

> > a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

> >

> > What do you think.

>

> Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

> Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

> The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the PC

> even knows that there's an OS installed.

>

> Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it doesn't

> boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

> replacement.

>

> HTH

> -pk

>

> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

> >

> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

> >> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will the

> >> > system

> >> > crash?

> >> >

> >> > Just curious.

> >>

> >> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two cards

> >> is

> >> a common configuration.

> >>

> >> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if those

> >> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may not

> >> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of

> >> card

> >> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

> >>

> >> HTH

> >> -pk

> >>

>

July 23, 2008

Re: Two video cards

You could have a condition of a open trace due to heat. On circuit

boards there are interconnections or runs where the signals travel.

If you have a component that has a "Cracked" trace as the board

heats up the trace actually opens and breaks the circuit. This could

cause the BSOD, abrupt halts and the BIOS beep codes. When

the PC is first powered on the trace is cooler and the connection in

the run is completed and not open.

"Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:5217BBE3-15AF-480F-A6C7-9CE1EF84D296@microsoft.com...

>I understand what you're saying, and really appreciate your input.

>However,

> the one thing I don't get is... why would the computer boot up, work for

> 10-20 minutes, then freeze, reboot or blue screen? After that... when I

> hit

> the power button, the beeping starts. No codes, just continuous beeping.

> It's driving me crazy!!

>

> "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>

>> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

>> >A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

>> > difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

>> > brains

>> > out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

>> > Radeon

>> > HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

>> > never

>> > resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going

>> > to

>> > do

>> > a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

>> >

>> > What do you think.

>>

>> Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

>> Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

>> The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the PC

>> even knows that there's an OS installed.

>>

>> Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it doesn't

>> boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

>> replacement.

>>

>> HTH

>> -pk

>>

>> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>> >

>> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

>> >> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will

>> >> > the

>> >> > system

>> >> > crash?

>> >> >

>> >> > Just curious.

>> >>

>> >> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two

>> >> cards

>> >> is

>> >> a common configuration.

>> >>

>> >> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if

>> >> those

>> >> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may

>> >> not

>> >> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of

>> >> card

>> >> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

>> >>

>> >> HTH

>> >> -pk

>> >>

>>

July 23, 2008

Re: Two video cards

That is an indication of a heat problem. Checked your fans?

"Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:5217BBE3-15AF-480F-A6C7-9CE1EF84D296@microsoft.com...

>I understand what you're saying, and really appreciate your input.

>However,

> the one thing I don't get is... why would the computer boot up, work for

> 10-20 minutes, then freeze, reboot or blue screen? After that... when I

> hit

> the power button, the beeping starts. No codes, just continuous beeping.

> It's driving me crazy!!

>

> "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>

>> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

>> >A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

>> > difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

>> > brains

>> > out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

>> > Radeon

>> > HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

>> > never

>> > resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going

>> > to

>> > do

>> > a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

>> >

>> > What do you think.

>>

>> Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

>> Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

>> The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the PC

>> even knows that there's an OS installed.

>>

>> Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it doesn't

>> boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

>> replacement.

>>

>> HTH

>> -pk

>>

>> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>> >

>> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

>> >> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will

>> >> > the

>> >> > system

>> >> > crash?

>> >> >

>> >> > Just curious.

>> >>

>> >> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two

>> >> cards

>> >> is

>> >> a common configuration.

>> >>

>> >> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if

>> >> those

>> >> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may

>> >> not

>> >> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of

>> >> card

>> >> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

>> >>

>> >> HTH

>> >> -pk

>> >>

>>

July 23, 2008

Re: Two video cards

Fans are running.

"Unknown" wrote:

> That is an indication of a heat problem. Checked your fans?

> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:5217BBE3-15AF-480F-A6C7-9CE1EF84D296@microsoft.com...

> >I understand what you're saying, and really appreciate your input.

> >However,

> > the one thing I don't get is... why would the computer boot up, work for

> > 10-20 minutes, then freeze, reboot or blue screen? After that... when I

> > hit

> > the power button, the beeping starts. No codes, just continuous beeping.

> > It's driving me crazy!!

> >

> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

> >

> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

> >> >A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

> >> > difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

> >> > brains

> >> > out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

> >> > Radeon

> >> > HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

> >> > never

> >> > resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going

> >> > to

> >> > do

> >> > a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

> >> >

> >> > What do you think.

> >>

> >> Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

> >> Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

> >> The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the PC

> >> even knows that there's an OS installed.

> >>

> >> Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it doesn't

> >> boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

> >> replacement.

> >>

> >> HTH

> >> -pk

> >>

> >> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > system

> >> >> > crash?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Just curious.

> >> >>

> >> >> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two

> >> >> cards

> >> >> is

> >> >> a common configuration.

> >> >>

> >> >> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if

> >> >> those

> >> >> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may

> >> >> not

> >> >> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of

> >> >> card

> >> >> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

> >> >>

> >> >> HTH

> >> >> -pk

> >> >>

> >>

>

July 27, 2008

Re: Two video cards

"Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:5217BBE3-15AF-480F-A6C7-9CE1EF84D296@microsoft.com...

>I understand what you're saying, and really appreciate your input.

>However,

> the one thing I don't get is... why would the computer boot up, work for

> 10-20 minutes, then freeze, reboot or blue screen? After that... when I

> hit

> the power button, the beeping starts. No codes, just continuous beeping.

> It's driving me crazy!!

Hardware failure. This is extremely difficult to track down without

expensive test gear and a full set of replacement parts and a lot of time

and specialized knowledge.

You can try removing all non-essential components and detaching all

peripherals except for keyboard, monitor and mouse. Remove that second

card. If the problem persists, you know that none of those components are

at fault, and you're probably looking at motherboard, processor, or memory

defect or damage. Again, it will be difficult to identify what component

is failing.

You may find that you come to the point where you should look at replacing

the system. As an option, you may well find that used HP 3gHz P4 systems

can be had for a little over $200.

HTH

-pk

>

> "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>

>> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

>> >A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

>> > difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

>> > brains

>> > out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

>> > Radeon

>> > HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

>> > never

>> > resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going

>> > to

>> > do

>> > a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

>> >

>> > What do you think.

>>

>> Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

>> Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

>> The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the PC

>> even knows that there's an OS installed.

>>

>> Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it doesn't

>> boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

>> replacement.

>>

>> HTH

>> -pk

>>

>> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>> >

>> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

>> >> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will

>> >> > the

>> >> > system

>> >> > crash?

>> >> >

>> >> > Just curious.

>> >>

>> >> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two

>> >> cards

>> >> is

>> >> a common configuration.

>> >>

>> >> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if

>> >> those

>> >> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may

>> >> not

>> >> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand of

>> >> card

>> >> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

>> >>

>> >> HTH

>> >> -pk

>> >>

>>

July 27, 2008

Re: Two video cards

Regarding "... No codes, just continuous beeping. It's driving me

crazy!!..." - the beeping is the code - for instance "one" short beep on

boot means the power on test pased - something like "3" short and "1' long

beep - no keyboard.

Google ( or the BIOS site) for deciphering .

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

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>

> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:5217BBE3-15AF-480F-A6C7-9CE1EF84D296@microsoft.com...

>>I understand what you're saying, and really appreciate your input.

>>However,

>> the one thing I don't get is... why would the computer boot up, work for

>> 10-20 minutes, then freeze, reboot or blue screen? After that... when I

>> hit

>> the power button, the beeping starts. No codes, just continuous beeping.

>> It's driving me crazy!!

>

> Hardware failure. This is extremely difficult to track down without

> expensive test gear and a full set of replacement parts and a lot of time

> and specialized knowledge.

>

> You can try removing all non-essential components and detaching all

> peripherals except for keyboard, monitor and mouse. Remove that second

> card. If the problem persists, you know that none of those components are

> at fault, and you're probably looking at motherboard, processor, or memory

> defect or damage. Again, it will be difficult to identify what

> component is failing.

>

> You may find that you come to the point where you should look at replacing

> the system. As an option, you may well find that used HP 3gHz P4

> systems can be had for a little over $200.

>

> HTH

> -pk

>

>>

>> "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>>

>>> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:7411CAC4-FE16-49A2-9D70-369F30E32368@microsoft.com...

>>> >A few weeks ago, my HP started freezing & blue screening. Then it was

>>> > difficult to boot up... beeps & black screens. After researching my

>>> > brains

>>> > out, I narrowed it down to a graphics card issue. I installed an ATI

>>> > Radeon

>>> > HD 3650, but never removed the original card. The booting problem was

>>> > never

>>> > resolved. So, I received recovery CD's from HP yesterday. I am going

>>> > to

>>> > do

>>> > a recovery this evening. Hopefully, this will do it.

>>> >

>>> > What do you think.

>>>

>>> Beeps and black screens at boot mean it doesn't have anything to do with

>>> Windows, it's a hardware incompatibility or failure at a very low level.

>>> The beeps are error codes from the BIOS, and those you hear before the

>>> PC

>>> even knows that there's an OS installed.

>>>

>>> Remove all non-essential hardware, and start from there. If it

>>> doesn't

>>> boot reliably, consider motherboard problems, which will require

>>> replacement.

>>>

>>> HTH

>>> -pk

>>>

>>> > "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>>> >

>>> >> "Phillip944" <Phillip944@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> >> news:5A097DCD-E2B0-4137-9792-748499F6BA27@microsoft.com...

>>> >> > If you install a new video card without removing the old one, will

>>> >> > the

>>> >> > system

>>> >> > crash?

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Just curious.

>>> >>

>>> >> The answer is that the result depends on the system, but having two

>>> >> cards

>>> >> is

>>> >> a common configuration.

>>> >>

>>> >> Some systems have special requirements for use of two cards, and if

>>> >> those

>>> >> aren't met rather than crash, one card may not work or the system may

>>> >> not

>>> >> boot. Some cards don't like to see another specific card or brand

>>> >> of

>>> >> card

>>> >> in the same system and that can also lead to problems.

>>> >>

>>> >> HTH

>>> >> -pk

>>> >>

>>>

>

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