Guest ColTom2 Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Hi: I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no related problems with it defragging. The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the defragmetation report for the list of these files". Here is a copy of defrag report: Volume (C:) Volume size = 227 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 15.97 GB Free space = 211 GB Percent free space = 92 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 72,031 Average file size = 269 KB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 11 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.50 GB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 6,383 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 107 MB MFT record count = 78,627 Percent MFT in use = 71 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is not identified as it says "None". I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said the volume was clean. I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. Thanks, ColTom2
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice PerfectDisk 2008 Professional http://www.raxco.com/home_office/home_perfectdisk_professional.cfm Free 30 Day Evaluation http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/ -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:eGVbzhG7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Hi: I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no related problems with it defragging. The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the defragmetation report for the list of these files". Here is a copy of defrag report: Volume (C:) Volume size = 227 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 15.97 GB Free space = 211 GB Percent free space = 92 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 72,031 Average file size = 269 KB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 11 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.50 GB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 6,383 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 107 MB MFT record count = 78,627 Percent MFT in use = 71 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is not identified as it says "None". I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said the volume was clean. I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. Thanks, ColTom2
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi Carey: Will this resolve my current problem or is this software that would replace Windows XP Defrag? Thanks. ColTom2 "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:%23ApBbwG7IHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... PerfectDisk 2008 Professional http://www.raxco.com/home_office/home_perfectdisk_professional.cfm Free 30 Day Evaluation http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/ -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:eGVbzhG7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Hi: I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no related problems with it defragging. The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the defragmetation report for the list of these files". Here is a copy of defrag report: Volume (C:) Volume size = 227 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 15.97 GB Free space = 211 GB Percent free space = 92 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 72,031 Average file size = 269 KB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 11 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.50 GB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 6,383 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 107 MB MFT record count = 78,627 Percent MFT in use = 71 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is not identified as it says "None". I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said the volume was clean. I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. Thanks, ColTom2
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Using PerfectDisk will result in a much better defrag of all files and a noticeable performance improvement in hard drive performance. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:uTwOnUH7IHA.3692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... Hi Carey: Will this resolve my current problem or is this software that would replace Windows XP Defrag? Thanks. ColTom2 "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:%23ApBbwG7IHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... PerfectDisk 2008 Professional http://www.raxco.com/home_office/home_perfectdisk_professional.cfm Free 30 Day Evaluation http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/ -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:eGVbzhG7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Hi: I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no related problems with it defragging. The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the defragmetation report for the list of these files". Here is a copy of defrag report: Volume (C:) Volume size = 227 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 15.97 GB Free space = 211 GB Percent free space = 92 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 72,031 Average file size = 269 KB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 11 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.50 GB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 6,383 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 107 MB MFT record count = 78,627 Percent MFT in use = 71 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is not identified as it says "None". I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said the volume was clean. I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. Thanks, ColTom2
Guest Andrew E. Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 RE: Defrag Error Notice 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system properties,advanced,performance, virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close out,restart pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It might take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... "ColTom2" wrote: > Hi: > > I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop > VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might > add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I > uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I > installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no > related problems with it defragging. > > The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: > " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the > defragmetation report for the list of these files". > > Here is a copy of defrag report: > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 15.97 GB > Free space = 211 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 72,031 > Average file size = 269 KB > Total fragmented files = 1 > Total excess fragments = 11 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,383 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 78,627 > Percent MFT in use = 71 % > Total MFT fragments = 3 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is > not identified as it says "None". > > I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode > and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said > the volume was clean. > > I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody > has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > >
Guest Alias Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice ColTom2 wrote: > Hi: > > I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop > VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might > add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I > uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I > installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no > related problems with it defragging. > > The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: > " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the > defragmetation report for the list of these files". > > Here is a copy of defrag report: > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 15.97 GB > Free space = 211 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 72,031 > Average file size = 269 KB > Total fragmented files = 1 > Total excess fragments = 11 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,383 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 78,627 > Percent MFT in use = 71 % > Total MFT fragments = 3 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is > not identified as it says "None". > > I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode > and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said > the volume was clean. > > I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody > has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > Did you just install Windows Live Messenger or Windows Live Mail? Alias
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi Andrew: I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set two times. Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? Thanks "Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system properties,advanced,performance, virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close out,restart pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It might take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... "ColTom2" wrote: > Hi: > > I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop > VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I > might > add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but > I > uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I > installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no > related problems with it defragging. > > The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: > " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the > defragmetation report for the list of these files". > > Here is a copy of defrag report: > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 15.97 GB > Free space = 211 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 72,031 > Average file size = 269 KB > Total fragmented files = 1 > Total excess fragments = 11 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,383 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 78,627 > Percent MFT in use = 71 % > Total MFT fragments = 3 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it > is > not identified as it says "None". > > I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode > and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it > said > the volume was clean. > > I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully > somebody > has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time > before. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi Andrew: > > I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting > defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set > two times. > > Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? > > Thanks > > > "Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message > news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... > 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: > Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system properties,advanced,performance, > virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close > out,restart > pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set > page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It > might > take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... > > "ColTom2" wrote: > > >>Hi: >> >> I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>might >>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but >>I >>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>related problems with it defragging. >> >>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >> >> Here is a copy of defrag report: >>Volume (C:) >> Volume size = 227 GB >> Cluster size = 4 KB >> Used space = 15.97 GB >> Free space = 211 GB >> Percent free space = 92 % >> >>Volume fragmentation >> Total fragmentation = 0 % >> File fragmentation = 0 % >> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >> >>File fragmentation >> Total files = 72,031 >> Average file size = 269 KB >> Total fragmented files = 1 >> Total excess fragments = 11 >> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >> >>Pagefile fragmentation >> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >> Total fragments = 1 >> >>Folder fragmentation >> Total folders = 6,383 >> Fragmented folders = 1 >> Excess folder fragments = 0 >> >>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >> Total MFT size = 107 MB >> MFT record count = 78,627 >> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >> Total MFT fragments = 3 >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>None >> >> As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>is >>not identified as it says "None". >> >> I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>said >>the volume was clean. >> >> I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>somebody >>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>before. >> >>Thanks, >> >>ColTom2 >> >> >> > > >
Guest Unknown Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice This is not necessarily an error. If you have a running program in the background, it may not be able to be defragged. "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:eGVbzhG7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Hi: > > I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop > VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I > might > add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but > I > uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I > installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no > related problems with it defragging. > > The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: > " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the > defragmetation report for the list of these files". > > Here is a copy of defrag report: > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 15.97 GB > Free space = 211 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 72,031 > Average file size = 269 KB > Total fragmented files = 1 > Total excess fragments = 11 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,383 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 78,627 > Percent MFT in use = 71 % > Total MFT fragments = 3 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is > not identified as it says "None". > > I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode > and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it > said > the volume was clean. > > I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody > has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time > before. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi John: Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it did nothing to correct this error. I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file "ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A black screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file." Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. Thanks "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi Andrew: > > I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting > defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set > two times. > > Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? > > Thanks > > > "Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message > news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... > 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: > Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system > properties,advanced,performance, > virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close > out,restart > pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set > page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It > might > take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... > > "ColTom2" wrote: > > >>Hi: >> >> I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>might >>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but >>I >>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>related problems with it defragging. >> >>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >> >> Here is a copy of defrag report: >>Volume (C:) >> Volume size = 227 GB >> Cluster size = 4 KB >> Used space = 15.97 GB >> Free space = 211 GB >> Percent free space = 92 % >> >>Volume fragmentation >> Total fragmentation = 0 % >> File fragmentation = 0 % >> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >> >>File fragmentation >> Total files = 72,031 >> Average file size = 269 KB >> Total fragmented files = 1 >> Total excess fragments = 11 >> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >> >>Pagefile fragmentation >> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >> Total fragments = 1 >> >>Folder fragmentation >> Total folders = 6,383 >> Fragmented folders = 1 >> Excess folder fragments = 0 >> >>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >> Total MFT size = 107 MB >> MFT record count = 78,627 >> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >> Total MFT fragments = 3 >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>None >> >> As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>is >>not identified as it says "None". >> >> I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>said >>the volume was clean. >> >> I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>somebody >>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>before. >> >>Thanks, >> >>ColTom2 >> >> >> > > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the fully qualified path to the file: C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe" or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run the file from the containing folder. You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH% variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run the command there. John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows > Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly > thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had > never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it > did nothing to correct this error. > > I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. > > I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file > "ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it > thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A black > screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed > in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as an > internal or external command, operable program or batch file." > > Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. > > Thanks > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will > do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. > > The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. > The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use > third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes > to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you > convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to > interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the > MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual > usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm > the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) > SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx > > NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT > Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. > > John > > ColTom2 wrote: > > >>Hi Andrew: >> >> I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting >>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set >>two times. >> >> Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? >> >>Thanks >> >> >>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message >>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... >> 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: >> Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system >>properties,advanced,performance, >> virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close >>out,restart >> pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set >> page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It >>might >> take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... >> >>"ColTom2" wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi: >>> >>> I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>>might >>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but >>>I >>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>>related problems with it defragging. >>> >>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >>> >>> Here is a copy of defrag report: >>>Volume (C:) >>> Volume size = 227 GB >>> Cluster size = 4 KB >>> Used space = 15.97 GB >>> Free space = 211 GB >>> Percent free space = 92 % >>> >>>Volume fragmentation >>> Total fragmentation = 0 % >>> File fragmentation = 0 % >>> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >>> >>>File fragmentation >>> Total files = 72,031 >>> Average file size = 269 KB >>> Total fragmented files = 1 >>> Total excess fragments = 11 >>> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >>> >>>Pagefile fragmentation >>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >>> Total fragments = 1 >>> >>>Folder fragmentation >>> Total folders = 6,383 >>> Fragmented folders = 1 >>> Excess folder fragments = 0 >>> >>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >>> Total MFT size = 107 MB >>> MFT record count = 78,627 >>> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >>> Total MFT fragments = 3 >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>>None >>> >>> As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>>is >>>not identified as it says "None". >>> >>> I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>>said >>>the volume was clean. >>> >>> I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>>somebody >>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>>before. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>ColTom2 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi John: Thanks so much for bearing with me. Here is the report:Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\Tom and Kitty>ntfsinfo C NTFS Information Dump V1.01 Copyright © 1997 Mark Russinovich http://www.sysinternals.com Volume Size ----------- Volume size : 232322 MB Total sectors : 475797104 Total clusters : 59474638 Free clusters : 55208862 Free space : 215659 MB (92% of drive) Allocation Size ---------------- Bytes per sector : 512 Bytes per cluster : 4096 Bytes per MFT record : 1024 Clusters per MFT record: 0 MFT Information --------------- MFT size : 107 MB (0% of drive) MFT start cluster : 786432 MFT zone clusters : 3871072 - 3899488 MFT zone size : 111 MB (0% of drive) MFT mirror start : 960887 Meta-Data files --------------- Hopefully the above will tell you what you needed to know in finding a resolution. Thanks, ColTom2 "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:eTvY7GP7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the fully qualified path to the file: C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe" or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run the file from the containing folder. You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH% variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run the command there. John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows > Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly > thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had > never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it > did nothing to correct this error. > > I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. > > I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file > "ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it > thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A > black > screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed > in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as > an > internal or external command, operable program or batch file." > > Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. > > Thanks > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will > do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. > > The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. > The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use > third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes > to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you > convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to > interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the > MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual > usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm > the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) > SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx > > NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT > Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. > > John > > ColTom2 wrote: > > >>Hi Andrew: >> >> I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting >>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set >>two times. >> >> Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? >> >>Thanks >> >> >>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message >>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... >> 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: >> Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system >>properties,advanced,performance, >> virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close >>out,restart >> pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set >> page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It >>might >> take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... >> >>"ColTom2" wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi: >>> >>> I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>>might >>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but >>>I >>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>>related problems with it defragging. >>> >>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >>> >>> Here is a copy of defrag report: >>>Volume (C:) >>> Volume size = 227 GB >>> Cluster size = 4 KB >>> Used space = 15.97 GB >>> Free space = 211 GB >>> Percent free space = 92 % >>> >>>Volume fragmentation >>> Total fragmentation = 0 % >>> File fragmentation = 0 % >>> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >>> >>>File fragmentation >>> Total files = 72,031 >>> Average file size = 269 KB >>> Total fragmented files = 1 >>> Total excess fragments = 11 >>> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >>> >>>Pagefile fragmentation >>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >>> Total fragments = 1 >>> >>>Folder fragmentation >>> Total folders = 6,383 >>> Fragmented folders = 1 >>> Excess folder fragments = 0 >>> >>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >>> Total MFT size = 107 MB >>> MFT record count = 78,627 >>> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >>> Total MFT fragments = 3 >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>>None >>> >>> As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>>is >>>not identified as it says "None". >>> >>> I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>>said >>>the volume was clean. >>> >>> I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>>somebody >>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>>before. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>ColTom2 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Sorry for the delay, I had to do a bit of experimentation and research. Here are my findings. 1- The defragmentation report does not report the size of the MFT Zone, it only reports the size of the actual MFT. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619/en-us 2- While I was able to create a partition with a fragmented MFT, I was not able to create one with a Reserved MFT Zone of less than 12.5% of the partition size. The NTFSinfo tool reported the expected 12% MFT zone, like so: MFT Information --------------- MFT size : 18 MB (0% of drive) MFT start cluster : 788838 MFT zone clusters : 2326016 - 3506048 MFT zone size : 4609 MB (12% of drive) MFT mirror start : 4739171 This expected MFT zone size (12% of drive) differs from the information that was reported when you ran the tool on your computer, so I did some searching to see if I could find out why your MFT Zone might be so small. The answer was provided in a blog on the Diskeeper site: The Mystery of the Disappearing MFT Reserved Zone! http://www.diskeeperblog.com/archives/2006/11/the_mystery_of.html Bottom line is "Don't worry about it!" It's perfectly normal, there is nothing wrong with your MFT. Although it is better to have the MFT in a single segment, 3 segments is not the end of the world, it shouldn't make any noticeable difference in the performance of the file system. I notice that there is another file shown as being fragmented in your defrag report, that is a file in use that the defragmenter can't defrag. You can use PageDefrag to try to defrag the last few in use files that the Windows defragmenter can't defrag: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks so much for bearing with me. Here is the report:Microsoft Windows > XP [Version 5.1.2600] > © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. > > C:\Documents and Settings\Tom and Kitty>ntfsinfo C > > NTFS Information Dump V1.01 > Copyright © 1997 Mark Russinovich > http://www.sysinternals.com > > Volume Size > ----------- > Volume size : 232322 MB > Total sectors : 475797104 > Total clusters : 59474638 > Free clusters : 55208862 > Free space : 215659 MB (92% of drive) > > Allocation Size > ---------------- > Bytes per sector : 512 > Bytes per cluster : 4096 > Bytes per MFT record : 1024 > Clusters per MFT record: 0 > > MFT Information > --------------- > MFT size : 107 MB (0% of drive) > MFT start cluster : 786432 > MFT zone clusters : 3871072 - 3899488 > MFT zone size : 111 MB (0% of drive) > MFT mirror start : 960887 > > Meta-Data files > --------------- > > Hopefully the above will tell you what you needed to know in finding a > resolution. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:eTvY7GP7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a > folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the > fully qualified path to the file: > > C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe" > > or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run > the file from the containing folder. > > You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to > run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH% > variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the > command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run > the command there. > > John > > ColTom2 wrote: > > >>Hi John: >> >> Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows >>Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly >>thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had >>never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it >>did nothing to correct this error. >> >> I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. >> >> I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file >>"ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it >>thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A >>black >>screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed >>in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as >>an >>internal or external command, operable program or batch file." >> >> Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. >> >>Thanks >> >> >>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will >>do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. >> >>The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. >> The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use >>third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes >>to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you >>convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to >>interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the >>MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual >>usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm >>the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) >>SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: >>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx >> >>NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT >>Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. >> >>John >> >>ColTom2 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Andrew: >>> >>> I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting >>>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set >>>two times. >>> >>> Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message >>>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... >>> 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: >>>Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system >>>properties,advanced,performance, >>>virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close >>>out,restart >>>pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set >>>page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It >>>might >>>take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... >>> >>>"ColTom2" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi: >>>> >>>>I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>>>might >>>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but >>>>I >>>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>>>related problems with it defragging. >>>> >>>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>>>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >>>> >>>>Here is a copy of defrag report: >>>>Volume (C:) >>>> Volume size = 227 GB >>>> Cluster size = 4 KB >>>> Used space = 15.97 GB >>>> Free space = 211 GB >>>> Percent free space = 92 % >>>> >>>>Volume fragmentation >>>> Total fragmentation = 0 % >>>> File fragmentation = 0 % >>>> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >>>> >>>>File fragmentation >>>> Total files = 72,031 >>>> Average file size = 269 KB >>>> Total fragmented files = 1 >>>> Total excess fragments = 11 >>>> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >>>> >>>>Pagefile fragmentation >>>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >>>> Total fragments = 1 >>>> >>>>Folder fragmentation >>>> Total folders = 6,383 >>>> Fragmented folders = 1 >>>> Excess folder fragments = 0 >>>> >>>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >>>> Total MFT size = 107 MB >>>> MFT record count = 78,627 >>>> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >>>> Total MFT fragments = 3 >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>>>None >>>> >>>>As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>>>is >>>>not identified as it says "None". >>>> >>>>I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>>>said >>>>the volume was clean. >>>> >>>>I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>>>somebody >>>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>>>before. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>ColTom2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi John: Thanks for all the great info and taking the time to provide it. I haven't been on my Toshiba laptop since I had also installed Windows Search 4.0 on it, so I went to it today just to check it. Low and behold I have the same problem on it as I do with my Sony desktop with the Defrag Error Notice! With this in mind and knowing that MS provides free tech support for Windows Update related matters I have sent them an email about all this and asked for a resolution. The only drawback they have up to 3 business days to reply etc. Whatever the outcome I will post it back here as soon as possible so for your own edification so you will know what has transpired with them. I will give your reference a try tomorrow, but it will be in the afternoon sometime, as I have an early golf game. Again I want to express to you my appreciation for all that you have provided me with. I will keep you posted.... ColTom2 "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:O%23ysscS7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... Sorry for the delay, I had to do a bit of experimentation and research. Here are my findings. 1- The defragmentation report does not report the size of the MFT Zone, it only reports the size of the actual MFT. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619/en-us 2- While I was able to create a partition with a fragmented MFT, I was not able to create one with a Reserved MFT Zone of less than 12.5% of the partition size. The NTFSinfo tool reported the expected 12% MFT zone, like so: MFT Information --------------- MFT size : 18 MB (0% of drive) MFT start cluster : 788838 MFT zone clusters : 2326016 - 3506048 MFT zone size : 4609 MB (12% of drive) MFT mirror start : 4739171 This expected MFT zone size (12% of drive) differs from the information that was reported when you ran the tool on your computer, so I did some searching to see if I could find out why your MFT Zone might be so small. The answer was provided in a blog on the Diskeeper site: The Mystery of the Disappearing MFT Reserved Zone! http://www.diskeeperblog.com/archives/2006/11/the_mystery_of.html Bottom line is "Don't worry about it!" It's perfectly normal, there is nothing wrong with your MFT. Although it is better to have the MFT in a single segment, 3 segments is not the end of the world, it shouldn't make any noticeable difference in the performance of the file system. I notice that there is another file shown as being fragmented in your defrag report, that is a file in use that the defragmenter can't defrag. You can use PageDefrag to try to defrag the last few in use files that the Windows defragmenter can't defrag: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks so much for bearing with me. Here is the report:Microsoft Windows > XP [Version 5.1.2600] > © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. > > C:\Documents and Settings\Tom and Kitty>ntfsinfo C > > NTFS Information Dump V1.01 > Copyright © 1997 Mark Russinovich > http://www.sysinternals.com > > Volume Size > ----------- > Volume size : 232322 MB > Total sectors : 475797104 > Total clusters : 59474638 > Free clusters : 55208862 > Free space : 215659 MB (92% of drive) > > Allocation Size > ---------------- > Bytes per sector : 512 > Bytes per cluster : 4096 > Bytes per MFT record : 1024 > Clusters per MFT record: 0 > > MFT Information > --------------- > MFT size : 107 MB (0% of drive) > MFT start cluster : 786432 > MFT zone clusters : 3871072 - 3899488 > MFT zone size : 111 MB (0% of drive) > MFT mirror start : 960887 > > Meta-Data files > --------------- > > Hopefully the above will tell you what you needed to know in finding a > resolution. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:eTvY7GP7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a > folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the > fully qualified path to the file: > > C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe" > > or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run > the file from the containing folder. > > You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to > run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH% > variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the > command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run > the command there. > > John > > ColTom2 wrote: > > >>Hi John: >> >> Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows >>Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly >>thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had >>never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it >>did nothing to correct this error. >> >> I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. >> >> I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file >>"ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it >>thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A >>black >>screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed >>in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as >>an >>internal or external command, operable program or batch file." >> >> Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. >> >>Thanks >> >> >>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will >>do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. >> >>The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. >> The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use >>third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes >>to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you >>convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to >>interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the >>MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual >>usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm >>the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) >>SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: >>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx >> >>NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT >>Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. >> >>John >> >>ColTom2 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Andrew: >>> >>> I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting >>>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set >>>two times. >>> >>> Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message >>>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... >>> 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: >>>Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system >>>properties,advanced,performance, >>>virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close >>>out,restart >>>pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set >>>page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It >>>might >>>take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... >>> >>>"ColTom2" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi: >>>> >>>>I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>>>might >>>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, >>>>but >>>>I >>>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>>>related problems with it defragging. >>>> >>>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>>>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >>>> >>>>Here is a copy of defrag report: >>>>Volume (C:) >>>> Volume size = 227 GB >>>> Cluster size = 4 KB >>>> Used space = 15.97 GB >>>> Free space = 211 GB >>>> Percent free space = 92 % >>>> >>>>Volume fragmentation >>>> Total fragmentation = 0 % >>>> File fragmentation = 0 % >>>> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >>>> >>>>File fragmentation >>>> Total files = 72,031 >>>> Average file size = 269 KB >>>> Total fragmented files = 1 >>>> Total excess fragments = 11 >>>> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >>>> >>>>Pagefile fragmentation >>>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >>>> Total fragments = 1 >>>> >>>>Folder fragmentation >>>> Total folders = 6,383 >>>> Fragmented folders = 1 >>>> Excess folder fragments = 0 >>>> >>>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >>>> Total MFT size = 107 MB >>>> MFT record count = 78,627 >>>> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >>>> Total MFT fragments = 3 >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>>>None >>>> >>>>As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>>>is >>>>not identified as it says "None". >>>> >>>>I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>>>said >>>>the volume was clean. >>>> >>>>I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>>>somebody >>>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>>>before. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>ColTom2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi John: Just as a side note about the prior posting saying to try PerfectDisk Pro 2008 on a trial basis. Well I downloaded and installed it and have been playing around with it etc. Anyway just now I went back to Windows Defrag and ran it just for the heck of it and guess what....it ran to completion! Here is the report which looks like to me still has some files in the Pagefile and MFT area's, but like I said it ran all the way through to completion with the Error Notice. Volume (C:) Volume size = 227 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 16.55 GB Free space = 210 GB Percent free space = 92 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 73,432 Average file size = 278 KB Total fragmented files = 0 Total excess fragments = 0 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.50 GB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 6,447 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 107 MB MFT record count = 80,152 Percent MFT in use = 72 % Total MFT fragments = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None Do you have any idea as to how this happened? I wonder if it will continue without the Error Notice?? ColTom2 "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:O%23ysscS7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... Sorry for the delay, I had to do a bit of experimentation and research. Here are my findings. 1- The defragmentation report does not report the size of the MFT Zone, it only reports the size of the actual MFT. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619/en-us 2- While I was able to create a partition with a fragmented MFT, I was not able to create one with a Reserved MFT Zone of less than 12.5% of the partition size. The NTFSinfo tool reported the expected 12% MFT zone, like so: MFT Information --------------- MFT size : 18 MB (0% of drive) MFT start cluster : 788838 MFT zone clusters : 2326016 - 3506048 MFT zone size : 4609 MB (12% of drive) MFT mirror start : 4739171 This expected MFT zone size (12% of drive) differs from the information that was reported when you ran the tool on your computer, so I did some searching to see if I could find out why your MFT Zone might be so small. The answer was provided in a blog on the Diskeeper site: The Mystery of the Disappearing MFT Reserved Zone! http://www.diskeeperblog.com/archives/2006/11/the_mystery_of.html Bottom line is "Don't worry about it!" It's perfectly normal, there is nothing wrong with your MFT. Although it is better to have the MFT in a single segment, 3 segments is not the end of the world, it shouldn't make any noticeable difference in the performance of the file system. I notice that there is another file shown as being fragmented in your defrag report, that is a file in use that the defragmenter can't defrag. You can use PageDefrag to try to defrag the last few in use files that the Windows defragmenter can't defrag: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks so much for bearing with me. Here is the report:Microsoft Windows > XP [Version 5.1.2600] > © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. > > C:\Documents and Settings\Tom and Kitty>ntfsinfo C > > NTFS Information Dump V1.01 > Copyright © 1997 Mark Russinovich > http://www.sysinternals.com > > Volume Size > ----------- > Volume size : 232322 MB > Total sectors : 475797104 > Total clusters : 59474638 > Free clusters : 55208862 > Free space : 215659 MB (92% of drive) > > Allocation Size > ---------------- > Bytes per sector : 512 > Bytes per cluster : 4096 > Bytes per MFT record : 1024 > Clusters per MFT record: 0 > > MFT Information > --------------- > MFT size : 107 MB (0% of drive) > MFT start cluster : 786432 > MFT zone clusters : 3871072 - 3899488 > MFT zone size : 111 MB (0% of drive) > MFT mirror start : 960887 > > Meta-Data files > --------------- > > Hopefully the above will tell you what you needed to know in finding a > resolution. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:eTvY7GP7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a > folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the > fully qualified path to the file: > > C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe" > > or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run > the file from the containing folder. > > You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to > run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH% > variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the > command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run > the command there. > > John > > ColTom2 wrote: > > >>Hi John: >> >> Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows >>Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly >>thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had >>never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it >>did nothing to correct this error. >> >> I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. >> >> I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file >>"ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it >>thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A >>black >>screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed >>in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as >>an >>internal or external command, operable program or batch file." >> >> Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. >> >>Thanks >> >> >>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will >>do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. >> >>The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. >> The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use >>third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes >>to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you >>convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to >>interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the >>MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual >>usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm >>the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) >>SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: >>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx >> >>NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT >>Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. >> >>John >> >>ColTom2 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Andrew: >>> >>> I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting >>>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set >>>two times. >>> >>> Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message >>>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... >>> 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: >>>Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system >>>properties,advanced,performance, >>>virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close >>>out,restart >>>pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set >>>page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It >>>might >>>take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... >>> >>>"ColTom2" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi: >>>> >>>>I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>>>might >>>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, >>>>but >>>>I >>>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>>>related problems with it defragging. >>>> >>>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>>>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >>>> >>>>Here is a copy of defrag report: >>>>Volume (C:) >>>> Volume size = 227 GB >>>> Cluster size = 4 KB >>>> Used space = 15.97 GB >>>> Free space = 211 GB >>>> Percent free space = 92 % >>>> >>>>Volume fragmentation >>>> Total fragmentation = 0 % >>>> File fragmentation = 0 % >>>> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >>>> >>>>File fragmentation >>>> Total files = 72,031 >>>> Average file size = 269 KB >>>> Total fragmented files = 1 >>>> Total excess fragments = 11 >>>> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >>>> >>>>Pagefile fragmentation >>>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >>>> Total fragments = 1 >>>> >>>>Folder fragmentation >>>> Total folders = 6,383 >>>> Fragmented folders = 1 >>>> Excess folder fragments = 0 >>>> >>>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >>>> Total MFT size = 107 MB >>>> MFT record count = 78,627 >>>> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >>>> Total MFT fragments = 3 >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>>>None >>>> >>>>As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>>>is >>>>not identified as it says "None". >>>> >>>>I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>>>said >>>>the volume was clean. >>>> >>>>I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>>>somebody >>>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>>>before. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>ColTom2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Looks fine, the pagefile is in one fragment, it isn't fragmented and the MFT has gone from 3 to 2 fragments. I don't see anything seriously wrong there. John ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Just as a side note about the prior posting saying to try PerfectDisk Pro > 2008 on a trial basis. > Well I downloaded and installed it and have been playing around with it etc. > Anyway just now I went back to Windows Defrag and ran it just for the heck > of it and guess what....it ran to completion! > > Here is the report which looks like to me still has some files in the > Pagefile and MFT area's, but like I said it ran all the way through to > completion with the Error Notice. > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 16.55 GB > Free space = 210 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 73,432 > Average file size = 278 KB > Total fragmented files = 0 > Total excess fragments = 0 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,447 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 80,152 > Percent MFT in use = 72 % > Total MFT fragments = 2 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > > Do you have any idea as to how this happened? I wonder if it will continue > without the Error Notice?? > > ColTom2 > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:O%23ysscS7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Sorry for the delay, I had to do a bit of experimentation and research. > Here are my findings. > > 1- The defragmentation report does not report the size of the MFT Zone, > it only reports the size of the actual MFT. > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619/en-us > > 2- While I was able to create a partition with a fragmented MFT, I was > not able to create one with a Reserved MFT Zone of less than 12.5% of > the partition size. The NTFSinfo tool reported the expected 12% MFT > zone, like so: > > MFT Information > --------------- > MFT size : 18 MB (0% of drive) > MFT start cluster : 788838 > MFT zone clusters : 2326016 - 3506048 > MFT zone size : 4609 MB (12% of drive) > MFT mirror start : 4739171 > > This expected MFT zone size (12% of drive) differs from the information > that was reported when you ran the tool on your computer, so I did some > searching to see if I could find out why your MFT Zone might be so > small. The answer was provided in a blog on the Diskeeper site: > > The Mystery of the Disappearing MFT Reserved Zone! > http://www.diskeeperblog.com/archives/2006/11/the_mystery_of.html > > Bottom line is "Don't worry about it!" It's perfectly normal, there is > nothing wrong with your MFT. Although it is better to have the MFT in a > single segment, 3 segments is not the end of the world, it shouldn't > make any noticeable difference in the performance of the file system. > > I notice that there is another file shown as being fragmented in your > defrag report, that is a file in use that the defragmenter can't defrag. > You can use PageDefrag to try to defrag the last few in use files that > the Windows defragmenter can't defrag: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx > > John > > ColTom2 wrote: > > >>Hi John: >> >> Thanks so much for bearing with me. Here is the report:Microsoft Windows >>XP [Version 5.1.2600] >>© Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. >> >>C:\Documents and Settings\Tom and Kitty>ntfsinfo C >> >>NTFS Information Dump V1.01 >>Copyright © 1997 Mark Russinovich >>http://www.sysinternals.com >> >>Volume Size >>----------- >>Volume size : 232322 MB >>Total sectors : 475797104 >>Total clusters : 59474638 >>Free clusters : 55208862 >>Free space : 215659 MB (92% of drive) >> >>Allocation Size >>---------------- >>Bytes per sector : 512 >>Bytes per cluster : 4096 >>Bytes per MFT record : 1024 >>Clusters per MFT record: 0 >> >>MFT Information >>--------------- >>MFT size : 107 MB (0% of drive) >>MFT start cluster : 786432 >>MFT zone clusters : 3871072 - 3899488 >>MFT zone size : 111 MB (0% of drive) >>MFT mirror start : 960887 >> >>Meta-Data files >>--------------- >> >> Hopefully the above will tell you what you needed to know in finding a >>resolution. >> >>Thanks, >> >>ColTom2 >> >> >>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>news:eTvY7GP7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a >>folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the >>fully qualified path to the file: >> >>C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe" >> >>or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run >>the file from the containing folder. >> >>You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to >>run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH% >>variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the >>command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run >>the command there. >> >>John >> >>ColTom2 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi John: >>> >>> Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows >>>Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly >>>thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had >>>never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it >>>did nothing to correct this error. >>> >>> I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS. >>> >>> I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file >>>"ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it >>>thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A >>>black >>>screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed >>>in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as >>>an >>>internal or external command, operable program or batch file." >>> >>> Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message >>>news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will >>>do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving. >>> >>>The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments. >>> The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use >>>third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes >>>to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you >>>convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to >>>interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the >>>MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual >>>usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm >>>the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB) >>>SysInternals NTFSInfo utility: >>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx >>> >>>NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT >>>Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is. >>> >>>John >>> >>>ColTom2 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Andrew: >>>> >>>>I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting >>>>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set >>>>two times. >>>> >>>>Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice? >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message >>>>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com... >>>>3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then: >>>>Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system >>>>properties,advanced,performance, >>>>virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close >>>>out,restart >>>>pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type:Defrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set >>>>page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It >>>>might >>>>take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end.... >>>> >>>>"ColTom2" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi: >>>>> >>>>>I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop >>>>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I >>>>>might >>>>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, >>>>>but >>>>>I >>>>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I >>>>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no >>>>>related problems with it defragging. >>>>> >>>>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: >>>>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the >>>>>defragmetation report for the list of these files". >>>>> >>>>>Here is a copy of defrag report: >>>>>Volume (C:) >>>>> Volume size = 227 GB >>>>> Cluster size = 4 KB >>>>> Used space = 15.97 GB >>>>> Free space = 211 GB >>>>> Percent free space = 92 % >>>>> >>>>>Volume fragmentation >>>>> Total fragmentation = 0 % >>>>> File fragmentation = 0 % >>>>> Free space fragmentation = 0 % >>>>> >>>>>File fragmentation >>>>> Total files = 72,031 >>>>> Average file size = 269 KB >>>>> Total fragmented files = 1 >>>>> Total excess fragments = 11 >>>>> Average fragments per file = 1.00 >>>>> >>>>>Pagefile fragmentation >>>>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB >>>>> Total fragments = 1 >>>>> >>>>>Folder fragmentation >>>>> Total folders = 6,383 >>>>> Fragmented folders = 1 >>>>> Excess folder fragments = 0 >>>>> >>>>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation >>>>> Total MFT size = 107 MB >>>>> MFT record count = 78,627 >>>>> Percent MFT in use = 71 % >>>>> Total MFT fragments = 3 >>>>> >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented >>>>>None >>>>> >>>>>As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it >>>>>is >>>>>not identified as it says "None". >>>>> >>>>>I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode >>>>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it >>>>>said >>>>>the volume was clean. >>>>> >>>>>I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully >>>>>somebody >>>>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time >>>>>before. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>> >>>>>ColTom2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > >
Guest Twayne Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi, I'm not about to read thru all those posts to see where the answer might be, but I can give you a little advice: 1. You said it's an "error" but it isn't; it's simply a situation where something can not be defragged because it's in use at the time you ran defrag. And, the synopsis says "none", which means that all files which could be defragged, have been defragged. In your case, over time and several restarts and depending on what the machine happens to be doing, the number of fragments can change over time, often going lower, seldom going higher, although Í've seen it happen. In the overall, this is a non-issue. If anything it's Microsoft's typical failure to properly explain/note what things mean. Yu didn't say so IIRC, but I very much doubt you are experiencing any operational problems with your PC, right? So, everything is fine IMO. I've seen the same thing in the past. AT the moment there are 4 files on my drive that can not be defragged: That's because they are in-use. If I went to Safe Mode to do the Defrag, that would cut it down to one or two files, not sure which anymore since I can only think of the page file being in two fragments at the moment, but it's no problem and there are no slowdowns, pauses or glitches in my system. Someday I'll get the time to kill the page file, do a defrag, and then turn the Page File back on and then it'll not be fragmented but I'm in no hurry. I am a fairly heavy user and scheduled Defrag to run monthly overnight and that seems to be a good number. Some work, especially if I'm rendering video after editing it, I run a defrag on that drive after every session, but that's the nature of the way that app works. The video work creates thousands of temp files and deletes them as the program gets used, and fragmentation happens very quickly. But other than that once a month sems to work well for me. Your needs may be different but in general a normal user can rely on tha Analyze featuer of Defrag to tell them whether they need to defrage or not. Also you don't need 3rd party programs for defragging; XP is quite capable of easily taking care of the situation for a normal to a light user. IMO all a mess of 3r party apps does is add that many more areas for things to break or go corrupted; I avoide them when I can, but that's not to say I don't use them where they have a disting benefit to me. If you're curious, a little reading on defrag can be a good thing: http://www.computerhope.com/software/defrag.htm#07 http://www.internetfixes.com/definitions/IF01012.htm Defrag Tutorial: http://www.security-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=256012 Not abut defrag but handy: http://www.rahulgaitonde.org/2008/04/25/speed-xp-vista-reclaim-disk-space/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071218200204AA7YmQu&show=7 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/tips/gehrke1.mspx http://www.windowsnetworking.com/kbase/WindowsTips/WindowsXP/AdminTips/Utilities/XPDefragiscommandlinecapable.html http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6086381.html As you can see there are lots of hits in my search; many more than I copied here. HTH a little, Twayne > Hi: > > I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop > VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. > I might add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop > Search 4.0, but I uninstalled it and am now still getting the same > error notice. Also I installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba > laptop and have had no related problems with it defragging. > > The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: > " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the > defragmetation report for the list of these files". > > Here is a copy of defrag report: > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 15.97 GB > Free space = 211 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 72,031 > Average file size = 269 KB > Total fragmented files = 1 > Total excess fragments = 11 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,383 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 78,627 > Percent MFT in use = 71 % > Total MFT fragments = 3 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and > it is not identified as it says "None". > > I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe > Mode and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK > and it said the volume was clean. > > I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully > somebody has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened > many time before. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2
Guest ColTom2 Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Hi: After doing everything that I could think of to resolve this issue, including talking with Microsoft, the only known solution at this time is to reformat. If anyone ever comes up with a known solution I sure wish that you would post it with the widest dissemination. Thanks for all the replies..... ColTom2 "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:eGVbzhG7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Hi: I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no related problems with it defragging. The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the defragmetation report for the list of these files". Here is a copy of defrag report: Volume (C:) Volume size = 227 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 15.97 GB Free space = 211 GB Percent free space = 92 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 72,031 Average file size = 269 KB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 11 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.50 GB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 6,383 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 107 MB MFT record count = 78,627 Percent MFT in use = 71 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is not identified as it says "None". I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said the volume was clean. I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. Thanks, ColTom2
Guest Jake Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Re: Defrag Error Notice Are you by chance running a Norton Anti Virus product? Here is my story. I recently upgraded my Norton based on a message from Symantic saying there was a new version, for free, of my product included in my subscription. The morning before I upgraded, I preformed my system maintance, inculding defrag. Everything worked fine. Right after upgrading and restarting, everything was working fine so I went ahead and performed my usual system maintance again. Low and behold, I got the exact same problem you got. In fact, my wifes computer also has the same problem and the only thing that was different was the Norton upgrade. Although I did not realize this was happening to my wifes computer until a week or two later when I did her system maintence. I contacted Norton and they could not fix the problem. Even after removing and reinstalling the Norton product. They claim, not their doing. To be fair, it might not be thier problem in that both of our systems are set up to receive and install MS updates Automaticly. Could be a MS update glich. But sure seems like a coincidence that both are systems are generating the same message at about the same time after the same upgrade. Just thought I would check with you on this issue. Thanks for taking the time to go through the rest of the suggestions. I only understood about 10% of them! "ColTom2" wrote: > Hi: > > After doing everything that I could think of to resolve this issue, > including talking with Microsoft, the only known solution at this time is to > reformat. > > If anyone ever comes up with a known solution I sure wish that you would > post it with the widest dissemination. > > Thanks for all the replies..... > > ColTom2 > > > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message > news:eGVbzhG7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Hi: > > I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop > VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I might > add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but I > uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I > installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no > related problems with it defragging. > > The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows: > " Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the > defragmetation report for the list of these files". > > Here is a copy of defrag report: > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 227 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 15.97 GB > Free space = 211 GB > Percent free space = 92 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 0 % > File fragmentation = 0 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 72,031 > Average file size = 269 KB > Total fragmented files = 1 > Total excess fragments = 11 > Average fragments per file = 1.00 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 1.50 GB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 6,383 > Fragmented folders = 1 > Excess folder fragments = 0 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 107 MB > MFT record count = 78,627 > Percent MFT in use = 71 % > Total MFT fragments = 3 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented > None > > As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it is > not identified as it says "None". > > I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode > and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it said > the volume was clean. > > I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully somebody > has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time before. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > > >
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