Guest SQL Brad Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 I consider myself to be a pretty good techy expert....however this is just killing me....what did Windows do to make this difficult? I have a Win XP Pro machine, and a Win XP Home machine, I am trying to copy files from the XP Home TO the XP Pro...I have set up shared folders, my pcs' are on the same network, 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.1.11 respectively. I have firewalls turned off, both are in the same Workgroup called KKBR...and neither one sees the other computer on the network....what gives? I have Norton turned off as well....thanks in advance.
Guest spamlet Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Re: Shared Folder on XP Home and XP PRo "SQL Brad" <SQLBrad@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:57B3BC29-0DD6-4E03-B463-A15F6F18E911@microsoft.com... >I consider myself to be a pretty good techy expert....however this is just > killing me....what did Windows do to make this difficult? I have a Win XP > Pro machine, and a Win XP Home machine, I am trying to copy files from the > XP > Home TO the XP Pro...I have set up shared folders, my pcs' are on the same > network, 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.1.11 respectively. I have firewalls > turned > off, both are in the same Workgroup called KKBR...and neither one sees the > other computer on the network....what gives? I have Norton turned off as > well....thanks in advance. Hi Brad, I had a lot of trouble with this too, Steve Winograd had a good article about file sharing that helped - see below -, but I still found that the different way Home and XP show user account names was the problem. In Home, you don't seem to see the full user account name, so you think you have created identical accounts on each machine but you haven't. I'm no expert on this by any means, but here's what I said at the time: "Hi, I've put this in with the original thread but suspect that it might be too old a thread to be noticed, so here are my thanks and points raised. (I also notice that Steve W has mentioned the 'userpasswords' method I eventually discovered, in one of today's threads...). Here's my follow up: Hi Steve Winograd, First off, thanks very much for your xp_filesharing/ article, which has cleared up a lot of the confusion I had over file sharing and permissions, and I have, at last been able to suss my networking problem. To recap: I have one laptop running XPHome and a pc running XPPro and am networking them via a router. Following the advice to set up identical accounts on each machine, I was able to get myself linked up as required, but was still getting the second user rejected by the pc (thanks very much for explaining the difference between sharing permissions and NTFS permissions, as I had not noticed these were two different sets of 'gatekeepers'!). To get to the point: I discovered that when you change the name of an account via User Accounts in XPHome's Control Panel, it ONLY changes the 'full name' of the account, which is NOT the one used by the security settings. BUT because XPHome does not have a 'Local Users and Groups' section in Computer Management, there is no straightforward way for Home users to detect the problem! It has taken me all week to notice the significance of various greyed out references to the old user name which I had thought was changed, and to search for an equivalent of 'Local Users and Groups'. Eventually I tracked down references to use 'Run: control userpasswords2' in XPHome, which at last lets one get at the REAL user name, which one can then change as in the XPPro version. What a pain for Home users to be so completely shafted by their misleading Control/User Accounts section. This should come with a warning in caps that the account name cannot really be changed from there! Thus I think it would be very useful for you to amend your excellent 'WinXP Pro File Sharing' piece, to add the note under the 'explore user accounts in the raw' and 'Create User Groups' sections, that XPHome does not have the 'Local Users and Groups' section, and so to really be sure of the name of your account you have to use 'controluserpasswords2', where you will also see what groups each user is a part of. I suspect that this may account for a lot of other peoples' problems when trying to set up home networks. Another point that you might like to include is a caveat about the default setting of 'Use Simple File Sharing' and the way this is kept in a silly place right at the bottom of the 'View' menu, as if it was just a simple formatting option rather than a serious security setting with enormously wide implications! For example, when we got our pc, we had no idea that there were any such things as 'security' tabs, as 'simple' file sharing deprives you of even a greyed out hint of their existence. As a result, when our HP printer came with permissions set for 'Administrators and Power Users' only, not even HP could understand why mere 'Users' of our pc could not print (their help staff had no idea the printers came set that way); and even when we had heard about permissions, we could not find where on earth the permissions could be set. It took months to suss that problem and all because of one stupid tick box default setting effectively hiding much of the vital working controls of the system! SFS should come with a loud 'do not use' warning! Anyhow, hope this may help others with similar problems, and possibly help you in your own advisory capacity. Thanks once again, S"
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Re: Shared Folder on XP Home and XP PRo SQL Brad wrote: > I consider myself to be a pretty good techy expert....however this is just > killing me....what did Windows do to make this difficult? I have a Win XP > Pro machine, and a Win XP Home machine, I am trying to copy files from the XP > Home TO the XP Pro...I have set up shared folders, my pcs' are on the same > network, 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.1.11 respectively. I have firewalls turned > off, both are in the same Workgroup called KKBR...and neither one sees the > other computer on the network....what gives? I have Norton turned off as > well....thanks in advance. On each WinXP PC, create local user account(s), with non-blank password(s), that have the desired access privileges to the desired shares. Log on to the other PCs using those account(s), and you will be able to access the designated shares, provided your network is configured properly. Also, make sure that WinXP's built-in firewall is disabled on the internal LAN connection. Usually, WinXP's Networking Wizard makes it simple and painless -- almost entirely automatic, in fact. There's a lot of useful, easy-to-follow information in WinXP's Help & Support files, and here: Home Networking http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/howto/homenet/default.asp Networking Information http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking.htm PracticallyNetworked Home http://www.practicallynetworked.com/index.htm Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
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