Guest Draggonfodder Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just something to think about. -- I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get that off my chest.
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >assuption that your customers are bad people. Wrong forum. This is a discussion group in which few if any readers or respondents are Microsoft employees. Microsoft makes this "notice board" available, that's about all. You might feel better after getting this issue off your chest but you might as well tell your dog.
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft If Microsoft could hire developers with advanced college degrees who will work for minimum wage, then they could lower the cost of their products.
Guest HeyBub Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Draggonfodder wrote: > I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the > assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these > security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your > operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't > stealling your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down > to a level so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to > put it on more than one machine to justify the cost. You have so > many security measures in place that if you just replace your video > card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask permission from > microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big brother. My > solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. You > might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. > Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for > ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help > your image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep > your activation system in place for places like China but your > average American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some > machines that still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would > probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just > something to think about. Your supposition is based, probably, on your own experience and inclinations. Microsoft's pricing strategy is based on literally billions of experiences, bolstered by a stable of economists, capitalists, professors, consultants, focus groups, customer feedback, sales levels, historical averages, legal opinions, regulatory practices, memos, case studies, Monte Carlo simulations, analysis of competitors, and God knows what else.
Guest Alias Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Carey Frisch [MVP Toady and Shill] wrote: > If Microsoft could hire developers with advanced > college degrees who will work for minimum wage, > then they could lower the cost of their products. > > Yeah, heaven forbid they should lower the cost of people like Ballmer who make more than they could ever spend. The fact that MS made BILLIONS during the pre activation days only destroys your stupid argument even more. Alias
Guest RJK Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Your suggested prices are too high ! I would suggest 9.95 | 10.95 | 12.95 for Home, Premium and Ultimate, respectively ! :-) ....as for MS's security measures, I have to disagree, there would no "Windows" without them, - it would all have been completely destroyed by theft, and we'd all have LINUX ....bwaaahahahaha <ROFL> ! ....and hoping I'm not speaking too soon, I've never had any problems in almost three decades - with OEM EULA's, and never had to go pleading to my regional MS office here in the UK, over activation. For example, during the past couple couple of days, I had to "pretty up" an old SktA system box, to replace a "bodged-up" "heap of urbbish system box - that had been sold for FAR too much money to a quite decent chap, (who would simply not do something like that himself - to anyone else, like what was done to him - over that sale!), ...and his XP Home SP1 went in, and activated, and fully updated OK :-) (...there are so many RIP-OFF artists out there, flogging ancient PC system boxes to the "unaware," I'm pretty sure we need a law against it). regards, Richard "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating >system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford >it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to >justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you >just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask >permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big >brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. >You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate >etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and >reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system >in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do >anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems >(win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't >outrageous. Just something to think about. > > -- > I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get that > off my chest. >
Guest Alias Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft HeyBub wrote: > Draggonfodder wrote: >> I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >> assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >> security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your >> operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't >> stealling your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down >> to a level so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to >> put it on more than one machine to justify the cost. You have so >> many security measures in place that if you just replace your video >> card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask permission from >> microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big brother. My >> solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. You >> might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >> Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for >> ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help >> your image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep >> your activation system in place for places like China but your >> average American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some >> machines that still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would >> probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just >> something to think about. > > Your supposition is based, probably, on your own experience and > inclinations. Microsoft's pricing strategy is based on literally billions of > experiences, bolstered by a stable of economists, capitalists, professors, > consultants, focus groups, customer feedback, sales levels, historical > averages, legal opinions, regulatory practices, memos, case studies, Monte > Carlo simulations, analysis of competitors, and God knows what else. > > You forgot to tell us how they figure in the multi million dollar salaries and bonuses for Ballmer, Gates and the boys. You also forgot to address the fact that MS made billions with the operating systems and Office suites that didn't require activation. How long have you been an MS ass kisser, bub? Alias
Guest JS Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Actually Windows cost less than what it probably cost you to fill up your SUV with two tanks of gas and two or three tanks of gas can't get you very far. JS "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating >system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford >it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to >justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you >just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask >permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big >brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. >You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate >etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and >reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system >in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do >anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems >(win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't >outrageous. Just something to think about. > > -- > I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get that > off my chest. >
Guest RJK Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft As per the UK t.v. documentary aired a few years ago, I wonder if MS still hires the "BEST" assembler programmers, so that no other software companies get their hands on them, and then just leaves them twiddling their thumbs - day in day out ? regards, Richard "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:O6PsYlY8IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > If Microsoft could hire developers with advanced > college degrees who will work for minimum wage, > then they could lower the cost of their products. > >
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:13 -0400, "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote: > I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the > assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these > security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating > system and alienate your customers. You apparently think you are addressing Microsoft here, but you're not. This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows XP users here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names; that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially on his own time. If you want to address Microsoft, you'll need to contact them directly. Your rant above is just a waste of your (figurative) breath. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Draggonfodder Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Excuse me for top posting .. I appreciate all the thoughts concerning my post. I didn't say they should not protect their intellectual property, just find a more graceful way of doing things. 29.95 is a price that most people would spend without a second thought. Gamers would spend 59.95 in the same manner. I upgraded my hard drive a while back on my XP box. When I reinstalled (what a mess) I installed XP pro, then SP1, then several updates, then SP2 then several updates then SP3. It was not a smooth process and 6 hours. later, I could use my machine. For 39.95, I would have bought the latest and installed it, instead of doing the update dance. I have put linux on a few machines but they have their unique issues also. It really scares me every time there is a power outage. I am afraid that MS may decide that my software is too old and they won't activate it. Sounds silly, but my MS office crashed and when I reinstalled it, they really gave me a hard time before they would activate. I really hate asking permission to do things. Regards -- John Nagle "RJK" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:en1W5tY8IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Your suggested prices are too high ! > > I would suggest 9.95 | 10.95 | 12.95 for Home, Premium and Ultimate, > respectively ! :-) > > ...as for MS's security measures, I have to disagree, there would no > "Windows" without them, - it would all have been completely destroyed by > theft, and we'd all have LINUX ....bwaaahahahaha <ROFL> ! > > ...and hoping I'm not speaking too soon, I've never had any problems in > almost three decades - with OEM EULA's, and never had to go pleading to > my regional MS office here in the UK, over activation. > For example, during the past couple couple of days, I had to "pretty up" > an old SktA system box, to replace a "bodged-up" "heap of urbbish system > box - that had been sold for FAR too much money to a quite decent chap, > (who would simply not do something like that himself - to anyone else, > like what was done to him - over that sale!), ...and his XP Home SP1 went > in, and activated, and fully updated OK :-) > > (...there are so many RIP-OFF artists out there, flogging ancient PC > system boxes to the "unaware," I'm pretty sure we need a law against it). > > regards, Richard > > > "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message > news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >>assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >>security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >>system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your >>operating system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they >>can afford it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one >>machine to justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place >>that if you just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have >>to ask permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks >>big brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating >>system. You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't >>true. Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for >>ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your >>image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your >>activation system in place for places like China but your average American >>doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some machines that still run >>your older systems (win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista >>if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just something to think about. >> >> -- >> I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get >> that off my chest. >> > >
Guest Phisherman Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:13 -0400, "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote: >I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating >system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford >it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to >justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you >just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask >permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big >brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. >You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate >etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and >reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system >in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do >anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems >(win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't >outrageous. Just something to think about. I agree with the cost of the O/S. I can't believe someone would pay $200 for an operating system for home use (and risk applications and older expensive hardware inoperable or drivers not available) when XP works fine for everything. Vista would get more acceptance and usage if there were a stripped-down $50 Vista Lite version for older machines.
Guest Phisherman Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:10 -0400, "JS" <@> wrote: >Actually Windows cost less than what it probably cost you to fill up your >SUV with two tanks of gas and two or three tanks of gas can't get you very >far. > >JS > I can't buy Windows, after filling up my 26-gallon gas tank to get to/from work there's no money left.
Guest Phisherman Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:42:36 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >If Microsoft could hire developers with advanced >college degrees who will work for minimum wage, >then they could lower the cost of their products. > Have you heard about India and China developers yet? They are paid a fraction of the cost of a USA developer. The USA used to have the best computer programmers in the world, but not anymore.
Guest JS Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft You have a good point, those big Oil companies are raking it in. JS "Phisherman" <noone@nobody.com> wrote in message news:stdu849cg5prkiksf7o0f2gnotikvqiudf@4ax.com... > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:10 -0400, "JS" <@> wrote: > >>Actually Windows cost less than what it probably cost you to fill up your >>SUV with two tanks of gas and two or three tanks of gas can't get you very >>far. >> >>JS >> > > I can't buy Windows, after filling up my 26-gallon gas tank to get > to/from work there's no money left.
Guest Unknown Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft What sheer fodder. "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating >system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford >it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to >justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you >just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask >permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big >brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. >You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate >etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and >reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system >in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do >anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems >(win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't >outrageous. Just something to think about. > > -- > I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get that > off my chest. >
Guest Unknown Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft What large company doesn't pay their execs well? What company doesn't try to make a lot of money for their shareholders? You have very warped thinking. "Alias" <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo> wrote in message news:g6nb7i$2tb$2@aioe.org... > HeyBub wrote: >> Draggonfodder wrote: >>> I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >>> assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >>> security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your >>> operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't >>> stealling your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down >>> to a level so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to >>> put it on more than one machine to justify the cost. You have so >>> many security measures in place that if you just replace your video >>> card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask permission from >>> microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big brother. My >>> solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. You >>> might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >>> Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for >>> ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help >>> your image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep >>> your activation system in place for places like China but your >>> average American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some >>> machines that still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would >>> probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just >>> something to think about. >> >> Your supposition is based, probably, on your own experience and >> inclinations. Microsoft's pricing strategy is based on literally billions >> of experiences, bolstered by a stable of economists, capitalists, >> professors, consultants, focus groups, customer feedback, sales levels, >> historical averages, legal opinions, regulatory practices, memos, case >> studies, Monte Carlo simulations, analysis of competitors, and God knows >> what else. > > You forgot to tell us how they figure in the multi million dollar salaries > and bonuses for Ballmer, Gates and the boys. You also forgot to address > the fact that MS made billions with the operating systems and Office > suites that didn't require activation. How long have you been an MS ass > kisser, bub? > > Alias
Guest Unknown Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft I suppose you would like to buy a Cadillac for $1,000 also. What if development costs of exceeded $29.95? "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message news:%237AeT$Y8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Excuse me for top posting .. I appreciate all the thoughts concerning my > post. I didn't say they should not protect their intellectual property, > just find a more graceful way of doing things. 29.95 is a price that most > people would spend without a second thought. Gamers would spend 59.95 in > the same manner. I upgraded my hard drive a while back on my XP box. > When I reinstalled (what a mess) I installed XP pro, then SP1, then > several updates, then SP2 then several updates then SP3. It was not a > smooth process and 6 hours. later, I could use my machine. For 39.95, I > would have bought the latest and installed it, instead of doing the update > dance. I have put linux on a few machines but they have their unique > issues also. It really scares me every time there is a power outage. I > am afraid that MS may decide that my software is too old and they won't > activate it. Sounds silly, but my MS office crashed and when I > reinstalled it, they really gave me a hard time before they would > activate. I really hate asking permission to do things. > > Regards > > -- > John Nagle > "RJK" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:en1W5tY8IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Your suggested prices are too high ! >> >> I would suggest 9.95 | 10.95 | 12.95 for Home, Premium and Ultimate, >> respectively ! :-) >> >> ...as for MS's security measures, I have to disagree, there would no >> "Windows" without them, - it would all have been completely destroyed by >> theft, and we'd all have LINUX ....bwaaahahahaha <ROFL> ! >> >> ...and hoping I'm not speaking too soon, I've never had any problems in >> almost three decades - with OEM EULA's, and never had to go pleading to >> my regional MS office here in the UK, over activation. >> For example, during the past couple couple of days, I had to "pretty >> up" an old SktA system box, to replace a "bodged-up" "heap of urbbish >> system box - that had been sold for FAR too much money to a quite decent >> chap, (who would simply not do something like that himself - to anyone >> else, like what was done to him - over that sale!), ...and his XP Home >> SP1 went in, and activated, and fully updated OK :-) >> >> (...there are so many RIP-OFF artists out there, flogging ancient PC >> system boxes to the "unaware," I'm pretty sure we need a law against it). >> >> regards, Richard >> >> >> "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message >> news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >>>assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >>>security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >>>system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your >>>operating system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they >>>can afford it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one >>>machine to justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place >>>that if you just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have >>>to ask permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks >>>big brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating >>>system. You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't >>>true. Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for >>>ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help >>>your image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your >>>activation system in place for places like China but your average >>>American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some machines that >>>still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP >>>or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just something to think about. >>> >>> -- >>> I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get >>> that off my chest. >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gord Dibben Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Why would you suggest keeping the activation system in place for China but not the US? Are you suggesting that the Chinese would be more likely to "do something illegal" than your average American? Gord On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:13 -0400, "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote: >I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating >system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford >it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to >justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you >just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask >permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big >brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. >You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate >etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and >reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system >in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do >anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems >(win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't >outrageous. Just something to think about.
Guest Alias Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Unknown wrote: > What large company doesn't pay their execs well? What company doesn't try to > make a lot of money for their shareholders? > You have very warped thinking. Sigh. Alias > "Alias" <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo> wrote in message > news:g6nb7i$2tb$2@aioe.org... >> HeyBub wrote: >>> Draggonfodder wrote: >>>> I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >>>> assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >>>> security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your >>>> operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't >>>> stealling your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down >>>> to a level so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to >>>> put it on more than one machine to justify the cost. You have so >>>> many security measures in place that if you just replace your video >>>> card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask permission from >>>> microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big brother. My >>>> solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. You >>>> might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >>>> Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for >>>> ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help >>>> your image and reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep >>>> your activation system in place for places like China but your >>>> average American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have some >>>> machines that still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would >>>> probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just >>>> something to think about. >>> Your supposition is based, probably, on your own experience and >>> inclinations. Microsoft's pricing strategy is based on literally billions >>> of experiences, bolstered by a stable of economists, capitalists, >>> professors, consultants, focus groups, customer feedback, sales levels, >>> historical averages, legal opinions, regulatory practices, memos, case >>> studies, Monte Carlo simulations, analysis of competitors, and God knows >>> what else. >> You forgot to tell us how they figure in the multi million dollar salaries >> and bonuses for Ballmer, Gates and the boys. You also forgot to address >> the fact that MS made billions with the operating systems and Office >> suites that didn't require activation. How long have you been an MS ass >> kisser, bub? >> >> Alias > >
Guest VanguardLH Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Draggonfodder wrote: > I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the > assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these > security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating > system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your operating > system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can afford > it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to > justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if you > just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask > permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big > brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating system. > You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. > Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate > etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image and > reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system > in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do > anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems > (win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't > outrageous. Just something to think about. Send me your credit card number and CV2 code with the name and billing address for that credit card. I will submit a charge for $18,472 to provide you with a version of Windows that is customized to your exact static requirements with guaranteed compatible but which cannot be ever altered by the customer once the credit charge has been honored. A contract will then be forwarded to you outlining your requirements that must be satisfied as the customer in designing your personalized computing environment. That charge only applies to providing the customized version of Windows. Guaranteeing 100% compatibility by an application to fully and properly function under that customized version of Windows will cost you an addition $796 per application plus the full retail cost of the application itself. Any other customized appliances beyond the initial system host will be negotiated at that time regarding price and schedule. You will first have to completely define a Functional Specifications document regarding your needs for the operating system. Thereafter you will need to provide the highly technical Engineering Specification that details how you want the functions to be implemented. Once those are complete, customization can begin. Customization will result in converting the general-purpose operating system into a closed or fixed-purpose OS over which every application and config change is regulated and enforced in hardware. We will convert your consumer-grade, general-purpose OS into a closed select-purpose system over which we have total control in managing its hardware and software setup and at additional cost to make further customized alternations. Do you want a general-purpose platform that you can adapt to your ever changing needs to support software that you do not create, or a fixed-purpose and closed appliance, like a Gameboy or dashboard radio?
Guest iPC Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft One could think the best former US MS developers were writing code like Vundo. Fortunately, though human, coders aren't vengeful. "Phisherman" <noone@nobody.com> wrote in message news:q2eu845pph8vitqfi24ttjgui1apc918ru@4ax.com... > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:42:36 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" > <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: > >>If Microsoft could hire developers with advanced >>college degrees who will work for minimum wage, >>then they could lower the cost of their products. >> > > Have you heard about India and China developers yet? They are paid a > fraction of the cost of a USA developer. The USA used to have the > best computer programmers in the world, but not anymore.
Guest Draggonfodder Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft -- John Nagle "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:77Ijk.19385$N87.15628@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >I suppose you would like to buy a Cadillac for $1,000 also. What if >development costs of exceeded $29.95? I imagine it does. The Cadillac has developement cost and manufacturing costs. MS only has developement costs. Manufacturing costs them pennies. 29.95 was the low end and most would buy the higher end machines. I live in an adult community (55+) and it costs 100 - 200 for someone to come in and re-install software that fails. Some can't affort it and do without. I help those folks. We have a lot of fixed income induviduals that rely on their computers to keep in touch with the kids/grandkids. Not asking for a handout, just think MS would do better being a Walmart than a Cadillac dealer. Cheers > "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message > news:%237AeT$Y8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Excuse me for top posting .. I appreciate all the thoughts concerning my >> post. I didn't say they should not protect their intellectual property, >> just find a more graceful way of doing things. 29.95 is a price that >> most people would spend without a second thought. Gamers would spend >> 59.95 in the same manner. I upgraded my hard drive a while back on my XP >> box. When I reinstalled (what a mess) I installed XP pro, then SP1, then >> several updates, then SP2 then several updates then SP3. It was not a >> smooth process and 6 hours. later, I could use my machine. For 39.95, I >> would have bought the latest and installed it, instead of doing the >> update dance. I have put linux on a few machines but they have their >> unique issues also. It really scares me every time there is a power >> outage. I am afraid that MS may decide that my software is too old and >> they won't activate it. Sounds silly, but my MS office crashed and when >> I reinstalled it, they really gave me a hard time before they would >> activate. I really hate asking permission to do things. >> >> Regards >> >> -- >> John Nagle >> "RJK" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:en1W5tY8IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Your suggested prices are too high ! >>> >>> I would suggest 9.95 | 10.95 | 12.95 for Home, Premium and Ultimate, >>> respectively ! :-) >>> >>> ...as for MS's security measures, I have to disagree, there would no >>> "Windows" without them, - it would all have been completely destroyed by >>> theft, and we'd all have LINUX ....bwaaahahahaha <ROFL> ! >>> >>> ...and hoping I'm not speaking too soon, I've never had any problems in >>> almost three decades - with OEM EULA's, and never had to go pleading to >>> my regional MS office here in the UK, over activation. >>> For example, during the past couple couple of days, I had to "pretty >>> up" an old SktA system box, to replace a "bodged-up" "heap of urbbish >>> system box - that had been sold for FAR too much money to a quite decent >>> chap, (who would simply not do something like that himself - to anyone >>> else, like what was done to him - over that sale!), ...and his XP Home >>> SP1 went in, and activated, and fully updated OK :-) >>> >>> (...there are so many RIP-OFF artists out there, flogging ancient PC >>> system boxes to the "unaware," I'm pretty sure we need a law against >>> it). >>> >>> regards, Richard >>> >>> >>> "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >>>>assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >>>>security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your >>>>operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling >>>>your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level >>>>so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more >>>>than one machine to justify the cost. You have so many security >>>>measures in place that if you just replace your video card or upgrade >>>>your memory, you have to ask permission from microsoft or they shut down >>>>your computer. Thanks big brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the >>>>price of the operating system. You might think you would lose money but >>>>even you know that isn't true. Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for >>>>home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate etc. I believe you would be surprised >>>>at how this will help your image and reduce your activation costs. You >>>>may want to keep your activation system in place for places like China >>>>but your average American doesn't want to do anything illegal. I have >>>>some machines that still run your older systems (win98, ME) and would >>>>probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't outrageous. Just >>>>something to think about. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get >>>> that off my chest. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Draggonfodder Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft Mr. Gates, I thought you had retired. You have quite an imagination. Enjoyed the read. Cheers -- John Nagle "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:esSdnRxqV7XywRLVnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Draggonfodder wrote: > >> I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >> assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >> security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your operating >> system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling your >> operating >> system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level so they can >> afford >> it. Most buy the software then try to put it on more than one machine to >> justify the cost. You have so many security measures in place that if >> you >> just replace your video card or upgrade your memory, you have to ask >> permission from microsoft or they shut down your computer. Thanks big >> brother. My solution is simple. Reduce the price of the operating >> system. >> You might think you would lose money but even you know that isn't true. >> Say, 29.95 for home edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate >> etc. I believe you would be surprised at how this will help your image >> and >> reduce your activation costs. You may want to keep your activation >> system >> in place for places like China but your average American doesn't want to >> do >> anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older systems >> (win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the cost wasn't >> outrageous. Just something to think about. > > Send me your credit card number and CV2 code with the name and billing > address for that credit card. I will submit a charge for $18,472 to > provide you with a version of Windows that is customized to your exact > static requirements with guaranteed compatible but which cannot be ever > altered by the customer once the credit charge has been honored. A > contract will then be forwarded to you outlining your requirements that > must be satisfied as the customer in designing your personalized > computing environment. That charge only applies to providing the > customized version of Windows. Guaranteeing 100% compatibility by an > application to fully and properly function under that customized version > of Windows will cost you an addition $796 per application plus the full > retail cost of the application itself. Any other customized appliances > beyond the initial system host will be negotiated at that time regarding > price and schedule. > > You will first have to completely define a Functional Specifications > document regarding your needs for the operating system. Thereafter you > will need to provide the highly technical Engineering Specification that > details how you want the functions to be implemented. Once those are > complete, customization can begin. Customization will result in > converting the general-purpose operating system into a closed or > fixed-purpose OS over which every application and config change is > regulated and enforced in hardware. We will convert your > consumer-grade, general-purpose OS into a closed select-purpose system > over which we have total control in managing its hardware and software > setup and at additional cost to make further customized alternations. > > > Do you want a general-purpose platform that you can adapt to your ever > changing needs to support software that you do not create, or a > fixed-purpose and closed appliance, like a Gameboy or dashboard radio?
Guest Unknown Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Re: Dear Microsoft So you blame Microsoft?? Why does it cost 100--200 dollars for someone to come in and re-install software? Why don't they do that for $29.95? Think! "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message news:OHpHOOb8IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > -- > John Nagle > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:77Ijk.19385$N87.15628@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>I suppose you would like to buy a Cadillac for $1,000 also. What if >>development costs of exceeded $29.95? > > I imagine it does. The Cadillac has developement cost and manufacturing > costs. MS only has developement costs. Manufacturing costs them pennies. > 29.95 was the low end and most would buy the higher end machines. I live > in an adult community (55+) and it costs 100 - 200 for someone to come in > and re-install software that fails. Some can't affort it and do without. > I help those folks. We have a lot of fixed income induviduals that rely > on their computers to keep in touch with the kids/grandkids. Not asking > for a handout, just think MS would do better being a Walmart than a > Cadillac dealer. > > Cheers > >> "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message >> news:%237AeT$Y8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Excuse me for top posting .. I appreciate all the thoughts concerning >>> my post. I didn't say they should not protect their intellectual >>> property, just find a more graceful way of doing things. 29.95 is a >>> price that most people would spend without a second thought. Gamers >>> would spend 59.95 in the same manner. I upgraded my hard drive a while >>> back on my XP box. When I reinstalled (what a mess) I installed XP pro, >>> then SP1, then several updates, then SP2 then several updates then SP3. >>> It was not a smooth process and 6 hours. later, I could use my machine. >>> For 39.95, I would have bought the latest and installed it, instead of >>> doing the update dance. I have put linux on a few machines but they >>> have their unique issues also. It really scares me every time there is >>> a power outage. I am afraid that MS may decide that my software is too >>> old and they won't activate it. Sounds silly, but my MS office crashed >>> and when I reinstalled it, they really gave me a hard time before they >>> would activate. I really hate asking permission to do things. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> -- >>> John Nagle >>> "RJK" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:en1W5tY8IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Your suggested prices are too high ! >>>> >>>> I would suggest 9.95 | 10.95 | 12.95 for Home, Premium and Ultimate, >>>> respectively ! :-) >>>> >>>> ...as for MS's security measures, I have to disagree, there would no >>>> "Windows" without them, - it would all have been completely destroyed >>>> by theft, and we'd all have LINUX ....bwaaahahahaha <ROFL> ! >>>> >>>> ...and hoping I'm not speaking too soon, I've never had any problems in >>>> almost three decades - with OEM EULA's, and never had to go pleading >>>> to my regional MS office here in the UK, over activation. >>>> For example, during the past couple couple of days, I had to "pretty >>>> up" an old SktA system box, to replace a "bodged-up" "heap of urbbish >>>> system box - that had been sold for FAR too much money to a quite >>>> decent chap, (who would simply not do something like that himself - to >>>> anyone else, like what was done to him - over that sale!), ...and his >>>> XP Home SP1 went in, and activated, and fully updated OK :-) >>>> >>>> (...there are so many RIP-OFF artists out there, flogging ancient PC >>>> system boxes to the "unaware," I'm pretty sure we need a law against >>>> it). >>>> >>>> regards, Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> "Draggonfodder" <commojohn@braemarnet.com> wrote in message >>>> news:%23MsUlbY8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>I think you have overthought all your problems and have come to the >>>>>assuption that your customers are bad people. So you have all these >>>>>security measures implemented that do nothing but screw up your >>>>>operating system and alienate your customers. People aren't stealling >>>>>your operating system, they are trying to get the cost down to a level >>>>>so they can afford it. Most buy the software then try to put it on >>>>>more than one machine to justify the cost. You have so many security >>>>>measures in place that if you just replace your video card or upgrade >>>>>your memory, you have to ask permission from microsoft or they shut >>>>>down your computer. Thanks big brother. My solution is simple. >>>>>Reduce the price of the operating system. You might think you would >>>>>lose money but even you know that isn't true. Say, 29.95 for home >>>>>edition, 39.95 for home priemium, 59.95 for ultimate etc. I believe >>>>>you would be surprised at how this will help your image and reduce your >>>>>activation costs. You may want to keep your activation system in place >>>>>for places like China but your average American doesn't want to do >>>>>anything illegal. I have some machines that still run your older >>>>>systems (win98, ME) and would probably upgrade to XP or vista if the >>>>>cost wasn't outrageous. Just something to think about. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> I know that I am spitting into the wind. But hey, just wanted to get >>>>> that off my chest. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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