Just what is XP Black???????

[Guest Ken Springer]

I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

and his dad to install that on our computers.

 

I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

"bogus" issue. :-(

 

Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

 

If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

version!

 

Thanks.

 

Ken

[Guest Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Microsoft never released a version of Windows XP called "black edition".

Obviously, your nephew likely downloaded an illegal, non-genuine, counterfeit

copy that's likely loaded with malware. Do not install!

 

Please make a disc comparison:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows Vista Enthusiast

 

---------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Ken Springer" <wordworks.nospam@greeleynet.com> wrote in message news:B08109F4-FB7E-429C-AB69-29859D37C73B@microsoft.com...

I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

and his dad to install that on our computers.

 

I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

"bogus" issue. :-(

 

Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

 

If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

version!

 

Thanks.

 

Ken

[Guest Bob I]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

It a hacked version, see link.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22XP+Black%22&btnG=Google+Search

 

Ken Springer wrote:

> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> version!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ken

[Guest Alias]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Ken Springer wrote:

> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> version!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ken

 

Sure it isn't called Illusion or Angelical? If so, it's a combination of

Windows 2000 and XP with Vista eye candy thrown in and will accept XP

updates through Auto Updates. It needs less horsepower to run as the

bloat was removed. I suspect MS isn't too crazy about it but I'm not

sure it's illegal. The only versions I've seen are in Spanish and were

put together by some dude in Costa Rica. No malware, viruses or blue

meanies come with it.

 

Alias

[Guest Alias]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Bob I wrote:

> It a hacked version, see link.

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22XP+Black%22&btnG=Google+Search

 

Wow, it has the Ubuntu cube.

 

Heh.

 

Alias

>

> Ken Springer wrote:

>> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is

>> after me and his dad to install that on our computers.

>>

>> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and

>> cannot find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions

>> as to whether it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's

>> an argument about the "bogus" issue. :-(

>>

>> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>>

>> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn

>> how to do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no

>> intention to use is as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with

>> the real thing, I'm not masochistic enough to want to mess with

>> additional problems from a bogus version!

>>

>> Thanks.

>>

>> Ken

>

[Guest VanguardLH]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Ken Springer wrote:

> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black.

 

Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what

does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of

pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being

installed on your hosts?

> He is after me

> and his dad to install that on our computers.

 

And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what

is already installed and working on your computers?

> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> "bogus" issue. :-(

 

Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he

"acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no

legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of

a MSDN subscription.

 

You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he

gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,

cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes

and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?

> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

 

It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you

into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program

instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he

can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew? Are you asking about some

child's concept of morality? Did you get him to sign a contract that he

will purchase pre-built computers from a local retailer of YOUR choice

at any price should his software cause problems on your computers?

Yeah, like that's going to happen. You are already suspicious of your

nephew and you want us to assuage your fears based on your experience

with this nephew and his known behaviors. Be the adult in the equation.

> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> version!

 

You have nothing else more fun on which to expend your valuable time

than to waste it on unknown software?

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

VanguardLH wrote:

> Ken Springer wrote:

>

>> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black.

>

> Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what

> does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of

> pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being

> installed on your hosts?

>

>> He is after me

>> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what

> is already installed and working on your computers?

>

>> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

>> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to

>> whether

>> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about

>> the

>> "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he

> "acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no

> legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of

> a MSDN subscription.

>

> You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he

> gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,

> cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes

> and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?

>

>> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you

> into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program

> instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he

> can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew?

>

> Are you asking about some child's concept of morality?

 

LOL. In today's world??? (You sound like an old fogie, like me).

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:14 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It a hacked version, see link.

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22XP+Black%22&btnG=Google+Search

>

> Ken Springer wrote:

> > I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> > and his dad to install that on our computers.

> >

> > I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> > find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> > it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> > "bogus" issue. :-(

> >

> > Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

> >

> > If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> > do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> > as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> > masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> > version!

 

 

Since there is no official Microsoft version with that name, it's

clearly bogus. I know nothing about it, and can't provide any details,

but if it were me, I wouldn't dream of installing something like that

on any computer I owned. It's just looking for trouble.

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Unknown]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

You sure make a lot of assumptions.

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

news:98mdnalQ4LvEiQ_VnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@comcast.com...

> Ken Springer wrote:

>

>> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black.

>

> Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what

> does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of

> pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being

> installed on your hosts?

>

>> He is after me

>> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what

> is already installed and working on your computers?

>

>> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

>> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to

>> whether

>> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about

>> the

>> "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he

> "acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no

> legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of

> a MSDN subscription.

>

> You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he

> gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,

> cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes

> and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?

>

>> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you

> into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program

> instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he

> can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew? Are you asking about some

> child's concept of morality? Did you get him to sign a contract that he

> will purchase pre-built computers from a local retailer of YOUR choice

> at any price should his software cause problems on your computers?

> Yeah, like that's going to happen. You are already suspicious of your

> nephew and you want us to assuage your fears based on your experience

> with this nephew and his known behaviors. Be the adult in the equation.

>

>> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how

>> to

>> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to

>> use is

>> as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

>> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

>> version!

>

> You have nothing else more fun on which to expend your valuable time

> than to waste it on unknown software?

[Guest Elephant]

Re: Just what is XP Black??? Racist Remarks

 

Re: Just what is XP Black??? Racist Remarks

 

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>

> Since there is no official Microsoft version with that name, it's

> clearly bogus. I know nothing about it, and can't provide any details,

> but if it were me, I wouldn't dream of installing something like that

> on any computer I owned. It's just looking for trouble.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

 

What do you mean, you wouldn't dream of installing black software on

your computer? And, are you saying that blacks are trouble makers?

 

I think it's high time that Microsoft issued software for minorities.

And for you to say you wouldn't install it, is just plain racist!

Your remarks are just another call to keep the black man down.

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Let him install it on *his* computer first.

 

Ken Springer wrote:

> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to

> whether

> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about

> the "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how

> to

> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use

> is as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> version!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ken

[Guest Malke]

Re: Just what is XP Black??? Racist Remarks

 

Re: Just what is XP Black??? Racist Remarks

 

Elephant wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>>

>> Since there is no official Microsoft version with that name, it's

>> clearly bogus. I know nothing about it, and can't provide any details,

>> but if it were me, I wouldn't dream of installing something like that

>> on any computer I owned. It's just looking for trouble.

> What do you mean, you wouldn't dream of installing black software on

> your computer? And, are you saying that blacks are trouble makers?

>

> I think it's high time that Microsoft issued software for minorities.

> And for you to say you wouldn't install it, is just plain racist!

> Your remarks are just another call to keep the black man down.

 

And *your* remarks are clearly specieist. How *dare* you call yourself

Elephant when you are neither an elephant or grey. This is a just a

not-so-subtle way of insulting all mammals and keeping bipeds down,

especially bipeds of all colors except grey. You should be ashamed of

yourself.

 

Malke

--

MS-MVP

Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!

FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

[Guest Ken Springer]

RE: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Thanks to all who took the time to post, there's one post that did really

good in answering my question.

 

There are some replies to specific posts below.

 

And I was so l looking forward to those blue meanies that were mentioned!!

LOL

 

Ken

 

"Ken Springer" wrote:

> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> version!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ken

[Guest Ken Springer]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Hi, Carey,

 

Thanks for the media comparison link. I'll bookmark it in my browser when I

get home.

 

Ken

 

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

> Microsoft never released a version of Windows XP called "black edition".

> Obviously, your nephew likely downloaded an illegal, non-genuine, counterfeit

> copy that's likely loaded with malware. Do not install!

>

> Please make a disc comparison:

> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/

>

> --

> Carey Frisch

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Desktop Experience -

> Windows Vista Enthusiast

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>

> "Ken Springer" <wordworks.nospam@greeleynet.com> wrote in message news:B08109F4-FB7E-429C-AB69-29859D37C73B@microsoft.com...

> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> version!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ken

>

[Guest Ken Springer]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Hi, Ken,

 

As I mentioned in the post, since it's bogus I'd install it somewhere that I

wouldn't feel bad about formatting the drive it's on to get rid of it. If I

had an extra computer to play with, I'd install it there. :-)

 

Ken

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:14 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > It a hacked version, see link.

> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22XP+Black%22&btnG=Google+Search

> >

> > Ken Springer wrote:

> > > I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> > > and his dad to install that on our computers.

> > >

> > > I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> > > find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> > > it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> > > "bogus" issue. :-(

> > >

> > > Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

> > >

> > > If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> > > do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> > > as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> > > masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> > > version!

>

>

> Since there is no official Microsoft version with that name, it's

> clearly bogus. I know nothing about it, and can't provide any details,

> but if it were me, I wouldn't dream of installing something like that

> on any computer I owned. It's just looking for trouble.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

[Guest Ken Springer]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Hi, Alias,

 

I've no clue if it was once called Illusion or Angelical. Are these some

other hacks of XP?

 

I do find it interesting that the hackers always seem to be able to write

efficient code with little bloat, but a multi-million dollar company like

Microsoft can't. :-(

 

One thing I know, the nephew wouldn't give me something in Spanish! LOL

 

 

Ken

 

 

"Alias" wrote:

> Ken Springer wrote:

> > I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> > and his dad to install that on our computers.

> >

> > I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> > find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> > it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> > "bogus" issue. :-(

> >

> > Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

> >

> > If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> > do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> > as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> > masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> > version!

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Ken

>

> Sure it isn't called Illusion or Angelical? If so, it's a combination of

> Windows 2000 and XP with Vista eye candy thrown in and will accept XP

> updates through Auto Updates. It needs less horsepower to run as the

> bloat was removed. I suspect MS isn't too crazy about it but I'm not

> sure it's illegal. The only versions I've seen are in Spanish and were

> put together by some dude in Costa Rica. No malware, viruses or blue

> meanies come with it.

>

> Alias

>

[Guest Daave]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

"Ken Springer" <wordworks.nospam@greeleynet.com> wrote in message

news:61F3F3FD-459A-40FF-A68A-39152157BC79@microsoft.com...

> And I was so l looking forward to those blue meanies that were

> mentioned!!

 

All you need is Glove. :-)

 

http://cestlabombe.com/weblog/archives/blue_meanies.jpg

[Guest Ken Springer]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

HI, Vanguard.

 

Well......... Maybe it's your choice of words and/or the way I read your

reply, but you sure sound like you're angry with the world.

 

Please see below for inline replies.

 

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> Ken Springer wrote:

>

> > I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black.

>

> Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what

> does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of

> pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being

> installed on your hosts?

 

As I said in my post, I'm here to find out what it is, not asking for advice

as to what to do with it. That's my decision and mine alone.

 

Besides, all of us old farts have heard of pirated or cracked software."

The practice drove a lot of developers away from some early computer

platforms.

 

An observation.... Sounds like you've assumed I'm an IT specialist or

similar with your "installed on your hosts" comment. Couldn't be further

from the truth.

>

> > He is after me

> > and his dad to install that on our computers.

>

> And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what

> is already installed and working on your computers?

 

Therein lies part of the problem, so much stuff that you put on a computer

that is legal causes nothing but grief so much of the time.

 

Plus you assume that what I have installed on my computer is working. If

everything on my computers was working, I wouldn't be in the middle of

reinstalling Win98 on an old computer. :-)

 

I would just love to be sure the software and system would be trouble free.

But I've come to the sad conclusion that will never happen with Windows. MS,

IMO, just doesn't seem to be able to make their Windows OS's troublefree

before releasing a new and better version that introduces more bugs.

 

So, unless I need a new Windows platform for a job, I've probably bought my

last Windows OS based computer. I can't imagine it would be any worse

somewhere else. :-(

>

> > I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> > find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> > it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> > "bogus" issue. :-(

>

> Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he

> "acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no

> legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of

> a MSDN subscription.

 

I know where he got it, and it was given to him, he didn't ask for it. But

I'm not here to create issues or get anyone into trouble, just trying to

learn something. Is that so bad? For all I know, the human being that gave

him the copy paid for that pricey MSDN subscription.

>

> You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he

> gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,

> cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes

> and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?

 

Wow. I'm sure this was tongue in cheek, right? If not meant in jest,

you're just affirming, to me, my earlier comment about being angry with the

world.

>

> > Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>

> It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you

> into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program

> instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he

> can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew? Are you asking about some

> child's concept of morality? Did you get him to sign a contract that he

> will purchase pre-built computers from a local retailer of YOUR choice

> at any price should his software cause problems on your computers?

> Yeah, like that's going to happen. You are already suspicious of your

> nephew and you want us to assuage your fears based on your experience

> with this nephew and his known behaviors. Be the adult in the equation.

 

Assumption #1- He is responsible for the content of the CD. He is not.

 

Assumption #2- You assume he knows what *exactly* is on the CD. Which he

doesn't.

 

Assumption #3- I asked a morality question, I did not. I asked if anyone

knew what the contents of said CD would be. I've done nothing more that look

at it with my eyeballs, haven't even stuck it in a drive. :-)

 

Assumption #4- I have some fears based on his previous actions. None

whatsoever.

 

>

> > If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> > do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> > as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> > masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> > version!

>

> You have nothing else more fun on which to expend your valuable time

> than to waste it on unknown software?

 

Compelled to point out, that *any* software that an individual knows nothing

about is "unknown" software.

 

This is an honest question for you, why did you even bother to write your

reply? I'm retired, I've got lots of time to ask questions. :-)

 

Ken

[Guest Ken Springer]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Hi, Pa Bear.

 

LOL He has installed it on his computers. He likes the look and feel, and

some of the "gadgets", but he has had a couple of issues. Since the hardware

is of his own assembly and choosing of parts, there is no way to know whether

there's an incompatibility there that is causing one or more of his problems.

 

Besides, he's had more trouble with his HP laptop with "official" HP

installed software than he's had with his homegrown computer. And I've got a

sister who's had problems with her HP desktop, and knows less about computers

than the average elementary school student.

 

Ken

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Let him install it on *his* computer first.

>

> Ken Springer wrote:

> > I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> > and his dad to install that on our computers.

> >

> > I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> > find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to

> > whether

> > it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about

> > the "bogus" issue. :-(

> >

> > Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

> >

> > If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how

> > to

> > do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use

> > is as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> > masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> > version!

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Ken

>

>

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

And have you convinced yourself not to install this theme now?

 

Ken Springer wrote:

> Hi, Pa Bear.

>

> LOL He has installed it on his computers. He likes the look and feel,

> and

> some of the "gadgets", but he has had a couple of issues. Since the

> hardware is of his own assembly and choosing of parts, there is no way to

> know whether there's an incompatibility there that is causing one or more

> of his problems.

>

> Besides, he's had more trouble with his HP laptop with "official" HP

> installed software than he's had with his homegrown computer. And I've

> got

> a sister who's had problems with her HP desktop, and knows less about

> computers than the average elementary school student.

>

> Ken

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Let him install it on *his* computer first.

>>

>> Ken Springer wrote:

>>> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after

>>> me

>>> and his dad to install that on our computers.

>>>

>>> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

>>> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to

>>> whether

>>> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument

>>> about

>>> the "bogus" issue. :-(

>>>

>>> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

>>>

>>> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn

>>> how

>>> to

>>> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to

>>> use

>>> is as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm

>>> not

>>> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

>>> version!

>>>

>>> Thanks.

>>>

>>> Ken

[Guest Ken Springer]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Good Morning, PA Bear,

 

I've actually not made any decision on what to do. I'm still mulling over

my alternatives.

 

My XP based computer is old and slow. At least 6 years old. And over the

years, I've tried enough pieces of legitimate software that there's lots of

"leftovers" scattered about that really seem to have had a negative

cumulative effect.

 

One thing I don't like about the restore/reinstall disks on the XP computer

is they are simply a disk image or back up files of the original machine. So

it's going to install the drivers for hardware that no longer exists in the

machine (modem and hard drive come to mind at the moment), as well as

software I don't want. One advantage of this type of system is it's good for

the less knowledgeable user who finds himself/herself needing to start from

scratch.

 

At the moment, I've just got this list of alternatives:

 

1. The good old "do nothing" alternative, and just live with the way it is

in order to avoid the work. LOL

 

2. Reinstall the original software and try to get things removed that I

don't want. I've never been able to remove all the stuff associated with the

original modem. It continues to show up in the add/remove control panel even

though the modem went to the landfill many years ago. But this issue may be

associated with the new modem and the vendor forgot to change a word or two

in the coding for the current modem. The software disk for the current modem

contains file references to the name of the original modem.

 

3. Buy a stand alone copy of XP, if I can still find one, and install it.

I'd probably buy XP Pro. I've got Outlook 2007 installed now (I've got a

cell phone with Windows Mobile 6 and I sync the phone to the computer) and

Outlook 2007 spends so much time being pretty it takes forever to display new

screens. And I've not found a single feature in it that didn't exist in

Outlook 2000. In fact, there's one feature in 2000 I used but can't find in

2007. I bought Outlook 2007 because Active Sync occasionally would complain

about Outlook 2000. Hasn't been a good buy, IMO.

 

If I do buy XP Pro, I'd also look for Office 2003 Professional, and

basically start from scratch.

 

4. Buy and install one of the Linux OS's out there. At least the software

is reasonably priced. And from what I've learned so far, a lot of the Linux

software has the ability to read and write MS file formats as well as being

almost as powerful as current Windows stuff. Still a lot to learn here.

 

5. Buy a new off the shelf computer. My inclination here is, it would be a

Mac. As posted earlier, I'll only buy a new off the shelf Windows computer

if I need one for a job.

 

6. Take the existing computer, make it a dual boot computer and play with

XP Black as a separate installation.

 

7. For no more computer needs than I have now, and the lessened interest in

computers due to the Windows issues of software with useless features for me,

continuing growth of program and filesizes that require more horsepower,

viruses, spam, spyware, I may just blow off XP and go back to Win98 on my 400

mhz Pentium II Dell. For what I do now, it gets the job done a lot faster.

I will stipulate that if I reinstall XP and install all the updates, the XP

computer will probably run my older MS software faster. But........ I don't

think most of the virus writers out there are targeting Win98. :-) There

are some antivirus program available that still support Win98 where the "big

boys" won't give you the time of day.

 

And possibly some variation of any of the above.

 

At the moment, my preferred alternative is to buy a Mac.

 

So I've made no decision as yet. :-)

 

 

Ken

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> And have you convinced yourself not to install this theme now?

>

> Ken Springer wrote:

> > Hi, Pa Bear.

> >

> > LOL He has installed it on his computers. He likes the look and feel,

> > and

> > some of the "gadgets", but he has had a couple of issues. Since the

> > hardware is of his own assembly and choosing of parts, there is no way to

> > know whether there's an incompatibility there that is causing one or more

> > of his problems.

> >

> > Besides, he's had more trouble with his HP laptop with "official" HP

> > installed software than he's had with his homegrown computer. And I've

> > got

> > a sister who's had problems with her HP desktop, and knows less about

> > computers than the average elementary school student.

> >

> > Ken

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >

> >> Let him install it on *his* computer first.

> >>

> >> Ken Springer wrote:

> >>> I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after

> >>> me

> >>> and his dad to install that on our computers.

> >>>

> >>> I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> >>> find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to

> >>> whether

> >>> it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument

> >>> about

> >>> the "bogus" issue. :-(

> >>>

> >>> Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

> >>>

> >>> If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn

> >>> how

> >>> to

> >>> do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to

> >>> use

> >>> is as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm

> >>> not

> >>> masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> >>> version!

> >>>

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>> Ken

>

>

[Guest Daave]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

You forgot:

 

7. Address what is currently wrong with your PC and fix it.

 

For starters, have a look at "Slow Computer":

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm

 

If you still have questions/issues, simply post them here. I am

confident one of us will be able to assist you.

 

Also know that it is possible to create your own installation disk as

long as you have access to the i386 directory:

 

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/createwindowssetupdisk.shtml

 

Very useful for repairs! And then you could always perform a clean

install if the mood strikes you (then again, clean installs are almost

always unnecessary), and you wouldn't have to deal with any

pre-installed bloatware.

 

There is no reason whatsoever you should buy a new XP disk; you already

have the license! Pro, in your situation, probably won't provide any

advantages over Home. However, MS Office will need to be purchased if

you want to install it. Then again, Sun provides an excellent *free*

alternative suite:

 

http://www.openoffice.org/

 

Or you could just buy a Mac. ;-)

 

 

"Ken Springer" <wordworks.nospam@greeleynet.com> wrote in message

news:8EBC8249-E942-406F-8167-5FDA3F396D5F@microsoft.com...

> Good Morning, PA Bear,

>

> I've actually not made any decision on what to do. I'm still mulling

> over

> my alternatives.

>

> My XP based computer is old and slow. At least 6 years old. And over

> the

> years, I've tried enough pieces of legitimate software that there's

> lots of

> "leftovers" scattered about that really seem to have had a negative

> cumulative effect.

>

> One thing I don't like about the restore/reinstall disks on the XP

> computer

> is they are simply a disk image or back up files of the original

> machine. So

> it's going to install the drivers for hardware that no longer exists

> in the

> machine (modem and hard drive come to mind at the moment), as well as

> software I don't want. One advantage of this type of system is it's

> good for

> the less knowledgeable user who finds himself/herself needing to start

> from

> scratch.

>

> At the moment, I've just got this list of alternatives:

>

> 1. The good old "do nothing" alternative, and just live with the way

> it is

> in order to avoid the work. LOL

>

> 2. Reinstall the original software and try to get things removed that

> I

> don't want. I've never been able to remove all the stuff associated

> with the

> original modem. It continues to show up in the add/remove control

> panel even

> though the modem went to the landfill many years ago. But this issue

> may be

> associated with the new modem and the vendor forgot to change a word

> or two

> in the coding for the current modem. The software disk for the

> current modem

> contains file references to the name of the original modem.

>

> 3. Buy a stand alone copy of XP, if I can still find one, and install

> it.

> I'd probably buy XP Pro. I've got Outlook 2007 installed now (I've

> got a

> cell phone with Windows Mobile 6 and I sync the phone to the computer)

> and

> Outlook 2007 spends so much time being pretty it takes forever to

> display new

> screens. And I've not found a single feature in it that didn't exist

> in

> Outlook 2000. In fact, there's one feature in 2000 I used but can't

> find in

> 2007. I bought Outlook 2007 because Active Sync occasionally would

> complain

> about Outlook 2000. Hasn't been a good buy, IMO.

>

> If I do buy XP Pro, I'd also look for Office 2003 Professional, and

> basically start from scratch.

>

> 4. Buy and install one of the Linux OS's out there. At least the

> software

> is reasonably priced. And from what I've learned so far, a lot of the

> Linux

> software has the ability to read and write MS file formats as well as

> being

> almost as powerful as current Windows stuff. Still a lot to learn

> here.

>

> 5. Buy a new off the shelf computer. My inclination here is, it

> would be a

> Mac. As posted earlier, I'll only buy a new off the shelf Windows

> computer

> if I need one for a job.

>

> 6. Take the existing computer, make it a dual boot computer and play

> with

> XP Black as a separate installation.

>

> 7. For no more computer needs than I have now, and the lessened

> interest in

> computers due to the Windows issues of software with useless features

> for me,

> continuing growth of program and filesizes that require more

> horsepower,

> viruses, spam, spyware, I may just blow off XP and go back to Win98 on

> my 400

> mhz Pentium II Dell. For what I do now, it gets the job done a lot

> faster.

> I will stipulate that if I reinstall XP and install all the updates,

> the XP

> computer will probably run my older MS software faster. But........

> I don't

> think most of the virus writers out there are targeting Win98. :-)

> There

> are some antivirus program available that still support Win98 where

> the "big

> boys" won't give you the time of day.

>

> And possibly some variation of any of the above.

>

> At the moment, my preferred alternative is to buy a Mac.

>

> So I've made no decision as yet. :-)

[Guest Elephant]

Re: Just what is XP Black??? Racist Remarks

 

Re: Just what is XP Black??? Racist Remarks

 

> And *your* remarks are clearly specieist. How *dare* you call yourself

> Elephant when you are neither an elephant or grey. This is a just a

> not-so-subtle way of insulting all mammals and keeping bipeds down,

> especially bipeds of all colors except grey. You should be ashamed of

> yourself.

>

> Malke

> --

> MS-MVP

> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!

> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

 

 

Oh, you are good. You're damn good.

 

You got me........got me big time!

 

Nothing more can be said.

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:53:01 -0700, Ken Springer

<wordworks.nospam@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> Hi, Ken,

>

> As I mentioned in the post, since it's bogus I'd install it somewhere that I

> wouldn't feel bad about formatting the drive it's on to get rid of it. If I

> had an extra computer to play with, I'd install it there. :-)

 

 

Your choice, of course. Mine, as I said, would be to stay away from it

completely. I wouldn't even want it on a separate drive on my

computer. Malware, if it's infected, *can* impact things on other

drives.

 

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:14 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >

> > > It a hacked version, see link.

> > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22XP+Black%22&btnG=Google+Search

> > >

> > > Ken Springer wrote:

> > > > I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me

> > > > and his dad to install that on our computers.

> > > >

> > > > I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot

> > > > find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether

> > > > it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the

> > > > "bogus" issue. :-(

> > > >

> > > > Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

> > > >

> > > > If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to

> > > > do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is

> > > > as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not

> > > > masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus

> > > > version!

> >

> >

> > Since there is no official Microsoft version with that name, it's

> > clearly bogus. I know nothing about it, and can't provide any details,

> > but if it were me, I wouldn't dream of installing something like that

> > on any computer I owned. It's just looking for trouble.

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Alias]

Re: Just what is XP Black???????

 

Ken Springer wrote:

>

> 4. Buy and install one of the Linux OS's out there.

 

No money required.

> At least the software

> is reasonably priced. And from what I've learned so far, a lot of the Linux

> software has the ability to read and write MS file formats as well as being

> almost as powerful as current Windows stuff. Still a lot to learn here.

 

Check out Ubuntu Linux at http://www.ubuntu.com/ Not only is it free but

it comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. It is, unlike

Windows, not prone to malware or viruses. It can read NTFS out of the

box. Order the free CD and they will even pay for the postage to have it

delivered to you. It's as user friendly as XP and more so than Vista.

Unlike what some will say, you do not need to know cryptic commands to

use or install it. I am typing on an Ubuntu install that I've had on

this machine since April and I haven't used a command line one single

time. Just point and click. It's never crashed and is rock solid. Unlike

Windows, you get multiple desk tops and some very cool graphic effects

that are completely customizable.

 

Alias