Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

[Guest Bob Day]

What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable vs

Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

differed.

 

Thanks

Bob

[Guest AlmostBob]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

From my (small) experience, both kinds of cable are cat5,

but the guy making them refers to

straight through cables for hub&router as 'patch' cables,

and crossover cables for peer-to-peer as 'crossover'.

 

 

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"Bob Day" <BobDay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable

> vs

> Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

> differed.

>

> Thanks

> Bob

[Guest AlmostBob]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

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[Guest Timothy Daniels]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

"Bob Day" wrote:

> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e.

> Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology,

> and there is not differed.

 

 

"Cable" is usually refers solid-wire cable. "Patch cable" refers

to cable with multi-stranded wires - which make the cable more

flexible and able to withstand a lot of manipulation. "Cable" or

"solid-wire cable" is used for in-wall or in-plenum or otherwise

permanent installations, whereas "patch cable" is used for relatively

short lengths of cable that are used for relatively short-term

connections, such as between a router and and a modem or

between a modem and a wall jack.

 

And there are separate plugs for the two kinds of cable,

although most people don't know it. The commonly-available

plug for the RJ45 format is for solid-wire cable. The more rare

plug is for stranded cable, and it holds the strands of wire more

firmly in place so that they won't shift around and thereby cause

a bad connection. That plug is the kind that makers of patch cable

use. You may wonder why patch cables cost so much and why

professional cablers buy them since you may feel that it takes so

little effort to make your own. One reason is this use of the

appropriate plug and the right kind of crimpers to attach it.

Another is that when one makes more than a dozen or so cables,

one's wrist is reduced to putty, and the machines that the manu-

facturers use maintain a crimping pressure that doesn't change

with time so all the cables have the same connection quality.

 

If you plan to use your cable for many temporary connections,

such as for a patch panel, only patch cables should be used if you

want reliable connections. For a jumper between a wall jack and

your modem which won't be moved much at all, you can get away

with a homemade solid-wire cable, but don't expect a professinal

to admire it.

 

*TimDaniels*

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

In article <D32154CB-E4AE-4423-B806-5A7BF3DE7AEC@microsoft.com>,

BobDay@discussions.microsoft.com says...

> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable vs

> Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

> differed.

>

> Thanks

> Bob

>

Patch cables are almost always stranded conductors and short. non-Patch

cables are almost always solid conductor cables.

 

You use Stranded when you're going to be moving the cable.

 

You use Solid when the cable will remain fixed in position.

 

There is a LOT of difference between CAT5, 5e, 6, but on a quality cable

and connection system it all supports 1GBPS connections - the difference

is noise, or the ability to not have as much.

 

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[Guest Unknown]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

Absolutely ridiculous. Suggest you Google search for categories and patch vs

cable.

What you posted is false.

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

news:%23VMqYxN9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> "Bob Day" wrote:

>> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e.

>> Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology,

>> and there is not differed.

>

>

> "Cable" is usually refers solid-wire cable. "Patch cable" refers

> to cable with multi-stranded wires - which make the cable more

> flexible and able to withstand a lot of manipulation. "Cable" or

> "solid-wire cable" is used for in-wall or in-plenum or otherwise

> permanent installations, whereas "patch cable" is used for relatively

> short lengths of cable that are used for relatively short-term

> connections, such as between a router and and a modem or

> between a modem and a wall jack.

>

> And there are separate plugs for the two kinds of cable,

> although most people don't know it. The commonly-available

> plug for the RJ45 format is for solid-wire cable. The more rare

> plug is for stranded cable, and it holds the strands of wire more

> firmly in place so that they won't shift around and thereby cause

> a bad connection. That plug is the kind that makers of patch cable

> use. You may wonder why patch cables cost so much and why

> professional cablers buy them since you may feel that it takes so

> little effort to make your own. One reason is this use of the

> appropriate plug and the right kind of crimpers to attach it.

> Another is that when one makes more than a dozen or so cables,

> one's wrist is reduced to putty, and the machines that the manu-

> facturers use maintain a crimping pressure that doesn't change

> with time so all the cables have the same connection quality.

>

> If you plan to use your cable for many temporary connections,

> such as for a patch panel, only patch cables should be used if you

> want reliable connections. For a jumper between a wall jack and

> your modem which won't be moved much at all, you can get away

> with a homemade solid-wire cable, but don't expect a professinal

> to admire it.

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

[Guest Unknown]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

Not true at all.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:1217723771_245486@news.usenet.com...

> In article <D32154CB-E4AE-4423-B806-5A7BF3DE7AEC@microsoft.com>,

> BobDay@discussions.microsoft.com says...

>> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable

>> vs

>> Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

>> differed.

>>

>> Thanks

>> Bob

>>

> Patch cables are almost always stranded conductors and short. non-Patch

> cables are almost always solid conductor cables.

>

> You use Stranded when you're going to be moving the cable.

>

> You use Solid when the cable will remain fixed in position.

>

> There is a LOT of difference between CAT5, 5e, 6, but on a quality cable

> and connection system it all supports 1GBPS connections - the difference

> is noise, or the ability to not have as much.

>

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[Guest Navigator]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:21:00 -0700, Bob Day

<BobDay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable vs

>Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

>differed.

>

>Thanks

>Bob

Why ask here? This has nothing to do with XP.

 

Ask elsewhere

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

 

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

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> Not true at all.

 

Definitely it is true.

http://compnetworking.about.com/od/cat5cables/l/bldef_cat6.htm

"Twisted pair cable like CAT6 comes in two main varieties, solid and

stranded. Solid CAT6 cable supports longer runs and works best in fixed

wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT6 cable, on the

other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable

cabling such as "patch" cables. "

 

 

HTH

-pk

 

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:1217723771_245486@news.usenet.com...

>> In article <D32154CB-E4AE-4423-B806-5A7BF3DE7AEC@microsoft.com>,

>> BobDay@discussions.microsoft.com says...

>>> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6

>>> cable vs

>>> Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

>>> differed.

>>>

>>> Thanks

>>> Bob

>>>

>> Patch cables are almost always stranded conductors and short. non-Patch

>> cables are almost always solid conductor cables.

>>

>> You use Stranded when you're going to be moving the cable.

>>

>> You use Solid when the cable will remain fixed in position.

>>

>> There is a LOT of difference between CAT5, 5e, 6, but on a quality cable

>> and connection system it all supports 1GBPS connections - the difference

>> is noise, or the ability to not have as much.

>>

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>

>

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

 

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

news:fXjlk.6205$np7.2833@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...

> Absolutely ridiculous. Suggest you Google search for categories and patch

> vs cable.

 

Suggest you follow your advice.

 

http://www.lanshack.com/make_cat_6_cable.aspx

"Stranded vs. Solid Wire - Almost all patch cables that are made have

stranded wire. Stranded wire is normally specified for use in patch cables

due to it's superior flexibility. There has been some talk recently, in the

technical sector of the structured wiring community, regarding the possible

use of solid conductors for patch cables. The reason for the spotlight on

solid wire is that it is supposedly more stable, under a variety of

conditions."

> What you posted is false.

 

 

Definitely it is true.

http://compnetworking.about.com/od/cat5cables/l/bldef_cat6.htm

"Twisted pair cable like CAT6 comes in two main varieties, solid and

stranded. Solid CAT6 cable supports longer runs and works best in fixed

wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT6 cable, on the

other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable

cabling such as "patch" cables. "

 

 

Hope this helps.

-pk

 

> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

> news:%23VMqYxN9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> "Bob Day" wrote:

>>> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e.

>>> Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology,

>>> and there is not differed.

>>

>>

>> "Cable" is usually refers solid-wire cable. "Patch cable" refers

>> to cable with multi-stranded wires - which make the cable more

>> flexible and able to withstand a lot of manipulation. "Cable" or

>> "solid-wire cable" is used for in-wall or in-plenum or otherwise

>> permanent installations, whereas "patch cable" is used for relatively

>> short lengths of cable that are used for relatively short-term

>> connections, such as between a router and and a modem or

>> between a modem and a wall jack.

>>

>> And there are separate plugs for the two kinds of cable,

>> although most people don't know it. The commonly-available

>> plug for the RJ45 format is for solid-wire cable. The more rare

>> plug is for stranded cable, and it holds the strands of wire more

>> firmly in place so that they won't shift around and thereby cause

>> a bad connection. That plug is the kind that makers of patch cable

>> use. You may wonder why patch cables cost so much and why

>> professional cablers buy them since you may feel that it takes so

>> little effort to make your own. One reason is this use of the

>> appropriate plug and the right kind of crimpers to attach it.

>> Another is that when one makes more than a dozen or so cables,

>> one's wrist is reduced to putty, and the machines that the manu-

>> facturers use maintain a crimping pressure that doesn't change

>> with time so all the cables have the same connection quality.

>>

>> If you plan to use your cable for many temporary connections,

>> such as for a patch panel, only patch cables should be used if you

>> want reliable connections. For a jumper between a wall jack and

>> your modem which won't be moved much at all, you can get away

>> with a homemade solid-wire cable, but don't expect a professinal

>> to admire it.

>>

>> *TimDaniels*

>>

>

>

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

In article <OXjlk.6206$np7.2693@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>,

unknown@unknown.kom says...

> Not true at all.

 

Unknown, I suggest you go back to the basics of networking and relearn

your texts.

 

Patch Cables are almost always STRANDED.

 

Non-Patch cables are almost always SOLID.

 

Even in wiring a house the same holds true - for wiring that does not

move, you use Solid conductors, for wiring that moves you use Stranded

conductor wire - stranded allows for movement without as much chance for

breaking.

 

Additionally, CAT5 support 1gbps communications, but 5e and then 6 have

better noise rejection than CAT5, so, if you can afford it, use 5e or 6

for 1gbps connections/runs.

 

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[Guest Unknown]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

What I am saying is that CAT 6 comes in solid and stranded.

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

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>

> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

> news:fXjlk.6205$np7.2833@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...

>> Absolutely ridiculous. Suggest you Google search for categories and patch

>> vs cable.

>

> Suggest you follow your advice.

>

> http://www.lanshack.com/make_cat_6_cable.aspx

> "Stranded vs. Solid Wire - Almost all patch cables that are made have

> stranded wire. Stranded wire is normally specified for use in patch cables

> due to it's superior flexibility. There has been some talk recently, in

> the technical sector of the structured wiring community, regarding the

> possible use of solid conductors for patch cables. The reason for the

> spotlight on solid wire is that it is supposedly more stable, under a

> variety of conditions."

>

>> What you posted is false.

>

>

> Definitely it is true.

> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/cat5cables/l/bldef_cat6.htm

> "Twisted pair cable like CAT6 comes in two main varieties, solid and

> stranded. Solid CAT6 cable supports longer runs and works best in fixed

> wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT6 cable, on the

> other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance,

> movable cabling such as "patch" cables. "

>

>

> Hope this helps.

> -pk

>

>

>> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23VMqYxN9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> "Bob Day" wrote:

>>>> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e.

>>>> Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology,

>>>> and there is not differed.

>>>

>>>

>>> "Cable" is usually refers solid-wire cable. "Patch cable" refers

>>> to cable with multi-stranded wires - which make the cable more

>>> flexible and able to withstand a lot of manipulation. "Cable" or

>>> "solid-wire cable" is used for in-wall or in-plenum or otherwise

>>> permanent installations, whereas "patch cable" is used for relatively

>>> short lengths of cable that are used for relatively short-term

>>> connections, such as between a router and and a modem or

>>> between a modem and a wall jack.

>>>

>>> And there are separate plugs for the two kinds of cable,

>>> although most people don't know it. The commonly-available

>>> plug for the RJ45 format is for solid-wire cable. The more rare

>>> plug is for stranded cable, and it holds the strands of wire more

>>> firmly in place so that they won't shift around and thereby cause

>>> a bad connection. That plug is the kind that makers of patch cable

>>> use. You may wonder why patch cables cost so much and why

>>> professional cablers buy them since you may feel that it takes so

>>> little effort to make your own. One reason is this use of the

>>> appropriate plug and the right kind of crimpers to attach it.

>>> Another is that when one makes more than a dozen or so cables,

>>> one's wrist is reduced to putty, and the machines that the manu-

>>> facturers use maintain a crimping pressure that doesn't change

>>> with time so all the cables have the same connection quality.

>>>

>>> If you plan to use your cable for many temporary connections,

>>> such as for a patch panel, only patch cables should be used if you

>>> want reliable connections. For a jumper between a wall jack and

>>> your modem which won't be moved much at all, you can get away

>>> with a homemade solid-wire cable, but don't expect a professinal

>>> to admire it.

>>>

>>> *TimDaniels*

>>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

In article <4PIlk.20475$N87.1389@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,

unknown@unknown.kom says...

> What I am saying is that CAT 6 comes in solid and stranded.

>

 

I don't see where anyone said that CAT 6 didn't come in solid or

stranded - I have spools of both in my storage area.

 

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[Guest Unknown]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

I have seen stranded most often used, regardless of length, because crimp on

connectors are easily applied.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <4PIlk.20475$N87.1389@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,

> unknown@unknown.kom says...

>> What I am saying is that CAT 6 comes in solid and stranded.

>>

>

> I don't see where anyone said that CAT 6 didn't come in solid or

> stranded - I have spools of both in my storage area.

>

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[Guest Leythos]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

In article <0lJlk.9543$L_.8112@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>,

unknown@unknown.kom says...

> I have seen stranded most often used, regardless of length, because crimp on

> connectors are easily applied.

 

Crimp connectors require the same effort for Solid/Stranded.

 

If you are not using the proper connector then you're violating the

standards - there are two types of connection press feet that pass into

the cable. You can google for the details.

 

Stranded is most often used because most people don't use cable, once

the network is laid out, for anything ridged it's for patching under

desks, inside racks, short runs to printers, etc....

 

I have thousands of crimp ends for CAT5e and CAT6 - they are different

beasts, but they require the same effort to crimp either.

 

CAT 5/5e ends are much simpler to apply, and it's exactly the same

connector for solid or stranded.

 

CAT 6 ends are off-set inside the connector and are a PITA no matter

what cable type you use - with Solid cable actually being easier to

insert into the connector than stranded.

 

As for Punch-Down connections, solid is the ONLY way to go.

 

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[Guest Plato]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

=?Utf-8?B?Qm9iIERheQ==?= wrote:

>

> What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable vs

> Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

> differed.

 

Nothing really. Small cables are just often called patch cables.

 

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[Guest Plato]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

Leythos wrote:

>

> > What is the differece between a cable and a patch cable (i.e. Cat 6 cable vs

> > Cat 6 Patch cable)? I think it is just terminology, and there is not

> > differed.

> >

> Patch cables are almost always stranded conductors and short. non-Patch

> cables are almost always solid conductor cables.

>

> You use Stranded when you're going to be moving the cable.

>

> You use Solid when the cable will remain fixed in position.

>

> There is a LOT of difference between CAT5, 5e, 6, but on a quality cable

> and connection system it all supports 1GBPS connections - the difference

> is noise, or the ability to not have as much.

 

Nice description of the difference.

 

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[Guest Chris Barnes]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

Leythos wrote:

> Even in wiring a house the same holds true - for wiring that does not

> move, you use Solid conductors, for wiring that moves you use Stranded

> conductor wire - stranded allows for movement without as much chance for

> breaking.

 

Having wired my own house, after wiring my department's building, I have

to say that this is just silly.

 

The *vast* majority of desktop computers never move (even at home). For

those, the patch cable that uses solid wire is going to give a better

signal than the stranded wire. Not moving means the wire's flexibility

is a moot point.

 

Now if the computer is a laptop, my experience is that those users eshew

the use of a wired connection entirely and connect via 802.1x. Meaning

once again, the flexibility 'advantage' of stranded is moot.

 

 

I make virtually all of my own patch cables out of plenum cat6.

 

 

 

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[Guest Leythos]

Re: Cat 6 cable vs Cat 6 patch cable

 

In article <#qGzuSW#IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, chris-

barnes@tamu.edu says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > Even in wiring a house the same holds true - for wiring that does not

> > move, you use Solid conductors, for wiring that moves you use Stranded

> > conductor wire - stranded allows for movement without as much chance for

> > breaking.

>

> Having wired my own house, after wiring my department's building, I have

> to say that this is just silly.

>

> The *vast* majority of desktop computers never move (even at home). For

> those, the patch cable that uses solid wire is going to give a better

> signal than the stranded wire. Not moving means the wire's flexibility

> is a moot point.

>

> Now if the computer is a laptop, my experience is that those users eshew

> the use of a wired connection entirely and connect via 802.1x. Meaning

> once again, the flexibility 'advantage' of stranded is moot.

>

>

> I make virtually all of my own patch cables out of plenum cat6.

 

Your experience does not change the facts or the standard.

 

There are always people that fight the standards and best practices,

luckily they are few in number.

 

You do know that the same spec applies to Solid and Stranded CATx cable,

so your "give a better signal" is absolute crap.

 

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