Guest Jeff T. Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this thing works, Half Water Half Gas. Can anybody help me????? Jeff
Guest Antares 531 Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote: >This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff > Are you talkin' bout your flatus?
Guest Bruce Hagen Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this > thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff That's called the "Hershey Squirts".
Guest Galen Somerville Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this > thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff > If it worked, don't you think we would have been using it? I fisrt heard about in the waning years of World War II Galen
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a group that deals specifically with Windows XP. In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine like Google. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion is one that doesn't belong here. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this > thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff >
Guest Jeff T. Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" God , I never even thought of that. You're right! Jeff "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:eTMjvRa9IHA.1812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >> thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >> Can anybody help me????? >> Jeff > > > > That's called the "Hershey Squirts".
Guest Jeff T. Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though. I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they were from the same company. Thanks, Jeff "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is > customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half > Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to > do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can > find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a > group that deals specifically with Windows XP. > > In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint > of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine > like Google. > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22 > > 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion > is one that doesn't belong here. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >> thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >> Can anybody help me????? >> Jeff >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes, it comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They can't ALL be from the same company. What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do, or say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near correct -- unless you check them out for yourself? But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including people with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving them, including government sites, sometimes. Or do this: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22+scam -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OhMEDPb9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though. > I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they > were from the same company. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is >> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half >> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to >> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can >> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a >> group that deals specifically with Windows XP. >> >> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint >> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine >> like Google. >> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22 >> >> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion >> is one that doesn't belong here. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >>> Can anybody help me????? >>> Jeff >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" OK, I gotta admit that no matter how you phrase it, even with the word keyword "scam". But you should read a LOT of those sites. They are excellent examples of how to scam people. Even call yourself a scam and then "disprove" it. Hershey Squirts, properly collected and processed, would run an engine better than half water half gas. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OhMEDPb9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though. > I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they > were from the same company. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is >> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half >> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to >> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can >> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a >> group that deals specifically with Windows XP. >> >> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint >> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine >> like Google. >> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22 >> >> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion >> is one that doesn't belong here. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >>> Can anybody help me????? >>> Jeff >>> >> >> > >
Guest Jeff T. Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" Thanks Gary, We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything and make sure it won't ruin the car. I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately doesn't work. Jeff "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eSXTzeb9IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes, it > comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They can't > ALL be from the same company. > > What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do, > or say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near > correct -- unless you check them out for yourself? > > But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're > scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including > people with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving > them, including government sites, sometimes. Or do this: > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22+scam > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:OhMEDPb9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though. >> I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they >> were from the same company. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jeff >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is >>> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half >>> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to >>> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can >>> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a >>> group that deals specifically with Windows XP. >>> >>> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint >>> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine >>> like Google. >>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22 >>> >>> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire >>> discussion is one that doesn't belong here. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://grystmill.com >>> >>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >>>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >>>> Can anybody help me????? >>>> Jeff >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" So, you got through all 100,000 hits, did ya? NO!!!! It's a total hoax, and a well developed one, at that. Investigate each of those sites. There is not one that is reputable, that reviews other technologies, etc., They all exist for one purpose -- to fake you into believing the claim is true. Believe me, if it was true, we'd all be using it. Not as if it's a secret. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:eBrOY8b9IHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Thanks Gary, > We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything and > make sure it won't ruin the car. > I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately doesn't > work. > Jeff > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eSXTzeb9IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes, >> it comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They >> can't ALL be from the same company. >> >> What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do, >> or say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near >> correct -- unless you check them out for yourself? >> >> But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're >> scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including >> people with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving >> them, including government sites, sometimes. Or do this: >> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22+scam >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> news:OhMEDPb9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though. >>> I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they >>> were from the same company. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jeff >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is >>>> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half >>>> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something >>>> to do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you >>>> can find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it >>>> to a group that deals specifically with Windows XP. >>>> >>>> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a >>>> hint of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search >>>> Engine like Google. >>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22 >>>> >>>> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire >>>> discussion is one that doesn't belong here. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if >>>>> this thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >>>>> Can anybody help me????? >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Chuck Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" No Way! Under LIMITED circumstances, water injection (usually water & alcohol) can help reduce knock. The vaporizing water helps cool, and the expansion to steam helps make up for the loss of power. (just a bit!) Other than that, water in the fuel is nothing but trouble! Why do you think that some light planes have water drains in the fuel tanks and what is called a gascolator. (Fancy fuel filter & water seperator) "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this > thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff >
Guest Paul Montgomery Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" On Aug 3, 2:34 pm, "Jeff T." <jef...@nospam.invalid> wrote: > This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this > thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff No... because only a moron would wonder about that, so you're a moron.
Guest Jeff T. Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" Thanks, Gary and Chuck Jeff (the moron) "Chuck" <cdkuder@msn.com> wrote in message news:u1a8Vic9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > No Way! > Under LIMITED circumstances, water injection (usually water & alcohol) can > help reduce knock. The vaporizing water helps cool, and the expansion to > steam helps make up for the loss of power. (just a bit!) > Other than that, water in the fuel is nothing but trouble! > Why do you think that some light planes have water drains in the fuel > tanks and what is called a gascolator. > (Fancy fuel filter & water seperator) > > "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >> thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >> Can anybody help me????? >> Jeff >> > >
Guest Antares 531 Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote: >This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff > Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon
Guest Jeff T. Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are ugly? I bet the mommy goat doesn't think so. Jeff "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message news:d2oc941o3mesnpg8oe7g6fljj4b6b6g400@4ax.com... > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >>thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >> Can anybody help me????? >> Jeff >> > Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all > over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is > pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we > can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" Goats aren't ugly. Trolls are ugly. Why are you practicing to be a troll? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:ure$yjd9IHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are ugly? > I bet the mommy goat doesn't think so. > > Jeff > "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message > news:d2oc941o3mesnpg8oe7g6fljj4b6b6g400@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >>>thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >>> Can anybody help me????? >>> Jeff >>> >> Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all >> over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is >> pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we >> can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon > >
Guest dadiOH Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" Jeff T. wrote: > Thanks Gary, > We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything > and make sure it won't ruin the car. > I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately > doesn't > work. Jeff It's a scam. It doesn't work. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest dadiOH Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH dadiOH wrote: > Jeff T. wrote: >> Thanks Gary, >> We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything >> and make sure it won't ruin the car. >> I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately >> doesn't >> work. Jeff > > It's a scam. > > It doesn't work. OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel cell. I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient for the task? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Graham Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote > > OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half > gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to > break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and > oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel > cell. > > I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of > a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient > for the task? > > dadiOH This is correct - they electrolyse water to produce a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen. The amount produced is small and is not intended to act as a fuel. It only uses about 0.25% of the engines output. There was a lot of research done by universities and other organizations some 20 years ago, including NASA's Jet proplusion lab, that showed that injection of small amounts of hydrogen into an internal combustion engine along with regular fuel/air mixture would improve the efficiency of combustion. What this means, is that the normal fuel is used more efficiently and less unburned fuel leaves the exhaust as unburned CO and hydrocarbons. But, the improvement in gas mileage was only about 10% and at most 20% could be envisaged. Back then when fuel was cheap, it was just not worth the effort. But now with fuel prices through the roof, some scam artists have picked up the idea and are selling books or kits making this sound like some sort of miracle. One problem, is that most modern cars have computers that control the fuel mixture. Those oxygen sensors in the exhaust provide the input. A device is needed to trick the computer into not doing it's job if the hydrogen injection is to work. I would not do it on a newer car, but it would be interesting on an old beater. But, trucking companies are using a commercial device to save energy using same technology - It works just as well on diesel engines. More info here: http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm Graham
Guest Jeff T. Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" I wouldn't make a very good troll, I'm 6'0" 185lbs. but I know a few people who could pass for trolls. Jeff PS But ugly, now that's another story. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eV0JKSe9IHA.4820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Goats aren't ugly. Trolls are ugly. Why are you practicing to be a troll? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:ure$yjd9IHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are >> ugly? I bet the mommy goat doesn't think so. >> >> Jeff >> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message >> news:d2oc941o3mesnpg8oe7g6fljj4b6b6g400@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this >>>>thing works, Half Water Half Gas. >>>> Can anybody help me????? >>>> Jeff >>>> >>> Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all >>> over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is >>> pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we >>> can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon >> >> > >
Guest Bob I Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH dadiOH wrote: > dadiOH wrote: > >>Jeff T. wrote: >> >>>Thanks Gary, >>> We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything >>>and make sure it won't ruin the car. >>>I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately >>> doesn't >>>work. Jeff >> >>It's a scam. >> >>It doesn't work. > > > OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half > gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to > break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and > oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel > cell. > > I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of > a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient > for the task? > It takes more energy to seperate water into H2 and O2 than you can recover from the combustion of the gases. Ergo you have lost the money you paid the scammer, AND you buy more gasoline to run the electolysis system. You lose and lose.
Guest Bob I Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH Graham wrote: > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote > >>OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half >>gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor > > to > >>break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen > > and > >>oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel >>cell. >> >>I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out > > of > >>a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator > > sufficient > >>for the task? >> >>dadiOH > > > This is correct - they electrolyse water to produce a mixture of oxygen and > hydrogen. The amount produced is small and is not intended to act as a fuel. > It only uses about 0.25% of the engines output. > > There was a lot of research done by universities and other organizations > some 20 years ago, including NASA's Jet proplusion lab, that showed that > injection of small amounts of hydrogen into an internal combustion engine > along with regular fuel/air mixture would improve the efficiency of > combustion. What this means, is that the normal fuel is used more > efficiently and less unburned fuel leaves the exhaust as unburned CO and > hydrocarbons. But, the improvement in gas mileage was only about 10% and at > most 20% could be envisaged. Back then when fuel was cheap, it was just not > worth the effort. > > But now with fuel prices through the roof, some scam artists have picked up > the idea and are selling books or kits making this sound like some sort of > miracle. > > One problem, is that most modern cars have computers that control the fuel > mixture. Those oxygen sensors in the exhaust provide the input. A device is > needed to trick the computer into not doing it's job if the hydrogen > injection is to work. I would not do it on a newer car, but it would be > interesting on an old beater. > > But, trucking companies are using a commercial device to save energy using > same technology - It works just as well on diesel engines. More info here: > http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm > > Graham > > Example testimonial from the site you provided. "After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45% increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was 15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg." There is something pretty bogus there.
Guest Unknown Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" With a response like that, what do you think YOU are? "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5f458f07-0853-4add-97a6-04a6ec0845d3@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Aug 3, 2:34 pm, "Jeff T." <jef...@nospam.invalid> wrote: > This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this > thing works, Half Water Half Gas. > Can anybody help me????? > Jeff No... because only a moron would wonder about that, so you're a moron.
Guest Antares 531 Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:31:38 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >Graham wrote: > >> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote >> (snip) > >Example testimonial from the site you provided. > > "After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45% >increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit >installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was >15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg." > >There is something pretty bogus there. > Sounds like he/she measured the 22 mpg performance coming down a long slope, like from the top of Pike's Peak. I can do this with my Jeep Liberty, using its overhead console mpg indicator. If I'm coming down a long slope and take my foot off the accelerator pedal it will show upward of 50 mpg...as long as the fairly steep portion of the downhill slope lasts. Gordon
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