"Half Water Half Gas"

[Guest Jeff T.]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

Can anybody help me?????

Jeff

[Guest Antares 531]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid>

wrote:

>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

>

Are you talkin' bout your flatus?

[Guest Bruce Hagen]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

 

 

 

That's called the "Hershey Squirts".

[Guest Galen Somerville]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

>

If it worked, don't you think we would have been using it?

 

I fisrt heard about in the waning years of World War II

 

Galen

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is customary

to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half Gas"? But one

expects, at the very least, that it will have something to do with computers

and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can find one)... That

you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a group that deals

specifically with Windows XP.

 

In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint of

"belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine like

Google.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22

 

100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion is

one that doesn't belong here.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

>

[Guest Jeff T.]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

God , I never even thought of that. You're right!

Jeff

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>> Can anybody help me?????

>> Jeff

>

>

>

> That's called the "Hershey Squirts".

[Guest Jeff T.]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though.

I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they

were from the same company.

Thanks,

 

Jeff

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is

> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half

> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to

> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can

> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a

> group that deals specifically with Windows XP.

>

> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint

> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine

> like Google.

> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22

>

> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion

> is one that doesn't belong here.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>> Can anybody help me?????

>> Jeff

>>

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes, it

comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They can't

ALL be from the same company.

 

What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do, or

say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near

correct -- unless you check them out for yourself?

 

But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're

scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including people

with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving them,

including government sites, sometimes. Or do this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22+scam

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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> Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though.

> I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they

> were from the same company.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jeff

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is

>> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half

>> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to

>> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can

>> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a

>> group that deals specifically with Windows XP.

>>

>> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint

>> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine

>> like Google.

>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22

>>

>> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion

>> is one that doesn't belong here.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>>> Can anybody help me?????

>>> Jeff

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

OK, I gotta admit that no matter how you phrase it, even with the word

keyword "scam". But you should read a LOT of those sites. They are excellent

examples of how to scam people. Even call yourself a scam and then

"disprove" it.

 

Hershey Squirts, properly collected and processed, would run an engine

better than half water half gas.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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> Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though.

> I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they

> were from the same company.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jeff

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is

>> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half

>> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to

>> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can

>> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a

>> group that deals specifically with Windows XP.

>>

>> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint

>> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine

>> like Google.

>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22

>>

>> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion

>> is one that doesn't belong here.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>>> Can anybody help me?????

>>> Jeff

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Jeff T.]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

Thanks Gary,

We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything and

make sure it won't ruin the car.

I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately doesn't work.

Jeff

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes, it

> comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They can't

> ALL be from the same company.

>

> What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do,

> or say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near

> correct -- unless you check them out for yourself?

>

> But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're

> scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including

> people with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving

> them, including government sites, sometimes. Or do this:

> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22+scam

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:OhMEDPb9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though.

>> I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they

>> were from the same company.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Jeff

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is

>>> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half

>>> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something to

>>> do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can

>>> find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a

>>> group that deals specifically with Windows XP.

>>>

>>> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint

>>> of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine

>>> like Google.

>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22

>>>

>>> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire

>>> discussion is one that doesn't belong here.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>>>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>>>> Can anybody help me?????

>>>> Jeff

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

So, you got through all 100,000 hits, did ya? NO!!!! It's a total hoax, and

a well developed one, at that. Investigate each of those sites. There is not

one that is reputable, that reviews other technologies, etc., They all exist

for one purpose -- to fake you into believing the claim is true.

 

Believe me, if it was true, we'd all be using it. Not as if it's a secret.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:eBrOY8b9IHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Thanks Gary,

> We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything and

> make sure it won't ruin the car.

> I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately doesn't

> work.

> Jeff

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:eSXTzeb9IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes,

>> it comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They

>> can't ALL be from the same company.

>>

>> What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do,

>> or say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near

>> correct -- unless you check them out for yourself?

>>

>> But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're

>> scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including

>> people with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving

>> them, including government sites, sometimes. Or do this:

>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22+scam

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:OhMEDPb9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though.

>>> I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they

>>> were from the same company.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> Jeff

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:O2Z5C%23a9IHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is

>>>> customary to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half

>>>> Gas"? But one expects, at the very least, that it will have something

>>>> to do with computers and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you

>>>> can find one)... That you've done some due diligence before bringing it

>>>> to a group that deals specifically with Windows XP.

>>>>

>>>> In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a

>>>> hint of "belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search

>>>> Engine like Google.

>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22half+water+half+gas%22

>>>>

>>>> 100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire

>>>> discussion is one that doesn't belong here.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

>>>> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if

>>>>> this thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>>>>> Can anybody help me?????

>>>>> Jeff

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Chuck]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

No Way!

Under LIMITED circumstances, water injection (usually water & alcohol) can

help reduce knock. The vaporizing water helps cool, and the expansion to

steam helps make up for the loss of power. (just a bit!)

Other than that, water in the fuel is nothing but trouble!

Why do you think that some light planes have water drains in the fuel tanks

and what is called a gascolator.

(Fancy fuel filter & water seperator)

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

>

[Guest Paul Montgomery]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

On Aug 3, 2:34 pm, "Jeff T." <jef...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>  Can anybody help me?????

>                               Jeff

 

No... because only a moron would wonder about that, so you're a moron.

[Guest Jeff T.]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

Thanks, Gary and Chuck

Jeff (the moron)

"Chuck" <cdkuder@msn.com> wrote in message

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> No Way!

> Under LIMITED circumstances, water injection (usually water & alcohol) can

> help reduce knock. The vaporizing water helps cool, and the expansion to

> steam helps make up for the loss of power. (just a bit!)

> Other than that, water in the fuel is nothing but trouble!

> Why do you think that some light planes have water drains in the fuel

> tanks and what is called a gascolator.

> (Fancy fuel filter & water seperator)

>

> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:OOp5w$Z9IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>> Can anybody help me?????

>> Jeff

>>

>

>

[Guest Antares 531]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid>

wrote:

>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

>

Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all

over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is

pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we

can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon

[Guest Jeff T.]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are ugly? I

bet the mommy goat doesn't think so.

 

Jeff

"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid>

> wrote:

>

>>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>>thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>> Can anybody help me?????

>> Jeff

>>

> Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all

> over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is

> pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we

> can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

Goats aren't ugly. Trolls are ugly. Why are you practicing to be a troll?

 

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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> Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are ugly?

> I bet the mommy goat doesn't think so.

>

> Jeff

> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message

> news:d2oc941o3mesnpg8oe7g6fljj4b6b6g400@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>>>thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>>> Can anybody help me?????

>>> Jeff

>>>

>> Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all

>> over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is

>> pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we

>> can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon

>

>

[Guest dadiOH]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

Jeff T. wrote:

> Thanks Gary,

> We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything

> and make sure it won't ruin the car.

> I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately

> doesn't

> work. Jeff

 

It's a scam.

 

It doesn't work.

 

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[Guest dadiOH]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

dadiOH wrote:

> Jeff T. wrote:

>> Thanks Gary,

>> We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything

>> and make sure it won't ruin the car.

>> I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately

>> doesn't

>> work. Jeff

>

> It's a scam.

>

> It doesn't work.

 

OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half

gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to

break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and

oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel

cell.

 

I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of

a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient

for the task?

 

--

 

dadiOH

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[Guest Graham]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

 

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote

>

> OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half

> gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor

to

> break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen

and

> oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel

> cell.

>

> I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out

of

> a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator

sufficient

> for the task?

>

> dadiOH

 

This is correct - they electrolyse water to produce a mixture of oxygen and

hydrogen. The amount produced is small and is not intended to act as a fuel.

It only uses about 0.25% of the engines output.

 

There was a lot of research done by universities and other organizations

some 20 years ago, including NASA's Jet proplusion lab, that showed that

injection of small amounts of hydrogen into an internal combustion engine

along with regular fuel/air mixture would improve the efficiency of

combustion. What this means, is that the normal fuel is used more

efficiently and less unburned fuel leaves the exhaust as unburned CO and

hydrocarbons. But, the improvement in gas mileage was only about 10% and at

most 20% could be envisaged. Back then when fuel was cheap, it was just not

worth the effort.

 

But now with fuel prices through the roof, some scam artists have picked up

the idea and are selling books or kits making this sound like some sort of

miracle.

 

One problem, is that most modern cars have computers that control the fuel

mixture. Those oxygen sensors in the exhaust provide the input. A device is

needed to trick the computer into not doing it's job if the hydrogen

injection is to work. I would not do it on a newer car, but it would be

interesting on an old beater.

 

But, trucking companies are using a commercial device to save energy using

same technology - It works just as well on diesel engines. More info here:

http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm

 

Graham

[Guest Jeff T.]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

I wouldn't make a very good troll, I'm 6'0" 185lbs. but I know a few people

who could pass for trolls.

 

Jeff

PS But ugly, now that's another story.

 

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> Goats aren't ugly. Trolls are ugly. Why are you practicing to be a troll?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:ure$yjd9IHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are

>> ugly? I bet the mommy goat doesn't think so.

>>

>> Jeff

>> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message

>> news:d2oc941o3mesnpg8oe7g6fljj4b6b6g400@4ax.com...

>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:34:23 -0500, "Jeff T." <jeftho@nospam.invalid>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

>>>>thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

>>>> Can anybody help me?????

>>>> Jeff

>>>>

>>> Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all

>>> over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is

>>> pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we

>>> can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Bob I]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

 

 

dadiOH wrote:

> dadiOH wrote:

>

>>Jeff T. wrote:

>>

>>>Thanks Gary,

>>> We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything

>>>and make sure it won't ruin the car.

>>>I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately

>>> doesn't

>>>work. Jeff

>>

>>It's a scam.

>>

>>It doesn't work.

>

>

> OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half

> gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to

> break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and

> oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel

> cell.

>

> I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of

> a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient

> for the task?

>

 

It takes more energy to seperate water into H2 and O2 than you can

recover from the combustion of the gases. Ergo you have lost the money

you paid the scammer, AND you buy more gasoline to run the electolysis

system. You lose and lose.

[Guest Bob I]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

 

 

Graham wrote:

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote

>

>>OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half

>>gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor

>

> to

>

>>break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen

>

> and

>

>>oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel

>>cell.

>>

>>I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out

>

> of

>

>>a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator

>

> sufficient

>

>>for the task?

>>

>>dadiOH

>

>

> This is correct - they electrolyse water to produce a mixture of oxygen and

> hydrogen. The amount produced is small and is not intended to act as a fuel.

> It only uses about 0.25% of the engines output.

>

> There was a lot of research done by universities and other organizations

> some 20 years ago, including NASA's Jet proplusion lab, that showed that

> injection of small amounts of hydrogen into an internal combustion engine

> along with regular fuel/air mixture would improve the efficiency of

> combustion. What this means, is that the normal fuel is used more

> efficiently and less unburned fuel leaves the exhaust as unburned CO and

> hydrocarbons. But, the improvement in gas mileage was only about 10% and at

> most 20% could be envisaged. Back then when fuel was cheap, it was just not

> worth the effort.

>

> But now with fuel prices through the roof, some scam artists have picked up

> the idea and are selling books or kits making this sound like some sort of

> miracle.

>

> One problem, is that most modern cars have computers that control the fuel

> mixture. Those oxygen sensors in the exhaust provide the input. A device is

> needed to trick the computer into not doing it's job if the hydrogen

> injection is to work. I would not do it on a newer car, but it would be

> interesting on an old beater.

>

> But, trucking companies are using a commercial device to save energy using

> same technology - It works just as well on diesel engines. More info here:

> http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm

>

> Graham

>

>

 

Example testimonial from the site you provided.

 

"After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45%

increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit

installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was

15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg."

 

There is something pretty bogus there.

[Guest Unknown]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas"

 

With a response like that, what do you think YOU are?

"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5f458f07-0853-4add-97a6-04a6ec0845d3@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 3, 2:34 pm, "Jeff T." <jef...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this

> thing works, Half Water Half Gas.

> Can anybody help me?????

> Jeff

 

No... because only a moron would wonder about that, so you're a moron.

[Guest Antares 531]

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

Re: "Half Water Half Gas" - OTOH

 

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:31:38 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>Graham wrote:

>

>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote

>>

(snip)

>

>Example testimonial from the site you provided.

>

> "After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45%

>increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit

>installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was

>15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg."

>

>There is something pretty bogus there.

>

Sounds like he/she measured the 22 mpg performance coming down a long

slope, like from the top of Pike's Peak. I can do this with my Jeep

Liberty, using its overhead console mpg indicator. If I'm coming down

a long slope and take my foot off the accelerator pedal it will show

upward of 50 mpg...as long as the fairly steep portion of the downhill

slope lasts. Gordon