Some anomalies after reinstallation

[Guest Jim Ludwig]

Hi all,

I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp, but

used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated fine.

I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

 

First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen comes

up that says,

"Please select operating system"

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If I

choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start because of

a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected boot

disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking the

documentation.

Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

fdisk have wiped that clean?

 

Second problem...Since she didn't have her discs, I had to get a number of

her drivers from Dell's support site using her service tag. Everything

seems to be working. However, in device manager, a number of devices are

listed twice or more. Her graphics adapter (integrated) and plug n' play

monitor are both listed twice. Under the IDE controllers heading, primary

IDE controller, secondary IDE controller, and standard dual channel PCI IDE

controller are all listed twice. Under usb heading, standard universal pci

to usb host controller is listed 4 times and usb root hub is listed 5 times.

She has 8 usb ports (6 back, 2 front). Anyway, like I said, everything

works, but why are some things listed more than once?

Thanks for any light anyone can shed.

 

Jim

jimlud@sbcglobal.net

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

Jim Ludwig wrote:

> Hi all,

> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp,

> but

> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated fine.

> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>

> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen comes

> up that says,

> "Please select operating system"

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If I

> choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start because

> of

> a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected boot

> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking the

> documentation.

> Any thoughts about this?

 

I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find the DSR

Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by editing it

properly.

> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

> couldn't find her discs.

 

Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version). Mine

did.

> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

> fdisk have wiped that clean?

 

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System Restore

partition back now.

 

It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System Restore

partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system back

as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

[Guest DL]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

Fdisk? whatever for, the winxp cd contains all the tools for preparing a

disk

Call Dell, request copies of disks, use them to nuke the sys & reinstall

 

 

"Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:vpRlk.19187$Ri.1292@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...

> Hi all,

> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp,

> but used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

> fine. I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>

> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen comes

> up that says,

> "Please select operating system"

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If I

> choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start because

> of a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected

> boot disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking

> the documentation.

> Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

> couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my formatting

> and fdisk have wiped that clean?

>

> Second problem...Since she didn't have her discs, I had to get a number of

> her drivers from Dell's support site using her service tag. Everything

> seems to be working. However, in device manager, a number of devices are

> listed twice or more. Her graphics adapter (integrated) and plug n' play

> monitor are both listed twice. Under the IDE controllers heading, primary

> IDE controller, secondary IDE controller, and standard dual channel PCI

> IDE controller are all listed twice. Under usb heading, standard

> universal pci to usb host controller is listed 4 times and usb root hub is

> listed 5 times. She has 8 usb ports (6 back, 2 front). Anyway, like I

> said, everything works, but why are some things listed more than once?

> Thanks for any light anyone can shed.

>

> Jim

> jimlud@sbcglobal.net

>

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:vpRlk.19187$Ri.1292@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...

> Hi all,

> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp,

> but used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

> fine. I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>

> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen comes

> up that says,

> "Please select operating system"

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If I

> choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start because

> of a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected

> boot disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking

> the documentation.

> Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

> couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my formatting

> and fdisk have wiped that clean?

>

> Second problem...Since she didn't have her discs, I had to get a number of

> her drivers from Dell's support site using her service tag. Everything

> seems to be working. However, in device manager, a number of devices are

> listed twice or more. Her graphics adapter (integrated) and plug n' play

> monitor are both listed twice. Under the IDE controllers heading, primary

> IDE controller, secondary IDE controller, and standard dual channel PCI

> IDE controller are all listed twice. Under usb heading, standard

> universal pci to usb host controller is listed 4 times and usb root hub is

> listed 5 times. She has 8 usb ports (6 back, 2 front). Anyway, like I

> said, everything works, but why are some things listed more than once?

> Thanks for any light anyone can shed.

>

 

The listings for the usb host controller and usb root ports are all

consitent with the 8 USB2 ports that you clearly have as you have 4 standard

USB1 host controllers and 5 root hubs (4 for USB1 and 1 for USB2). You will

also have a single enhanced USB2 controller. The graphics adapter may well

be listed twice if it is a dual head graphic card and the monitors have

reflected this. The IDE controllers do puzzle me though they may be

correct. The two PCI IDE controllers may be reasonable. If the machine

works satisfactorily then I wouldn't worry about it. If it ain't broke then

don't fix it.

 

The menu asking you to select the operating system is because you didn't

perform a clean install but installed the new operating system along side

the old one (or at least you did something that the install routine thought

that you had).

 

If you post the contents of your BOOT.INI file, I or someone will explain

what changes you need to make to make the system boot into Windows without

asking the question above.

 

If you are reasonably familiar with these things you need to remove the

reference to a second operating system. But if you are not, then the wrong

change can leave you with a non functioning system.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uBvD0Ls9IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>> Hi all,

>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She

>> was

>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp,

>> but

>> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

>> fine.

>> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>>

>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>> comes

>> up that says,

>> "Please select operating system"

>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

>> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If

>> I

>> choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start because

>> of

>> a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected boot

>> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking the

>> documentation.

>> Any thoughts about this?

>

> I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find the

> DSR Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by

> editing it properly.

>

>> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>> couldn't find her discs.

>

> Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version).

> Mine did.

>

>> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

>> fdisk have wiped that clean?

>

> Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System Restore

> partition back now.

>

> It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System Restore

> partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system back

> as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

 

I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their PCs

with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery partition

on the hard disc.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:uBvD0Ls9IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>>> Hi all,

>>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

>>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

>>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp,

>>> but

>>> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

>>> fine.

>>> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>>>

>>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>>> comes up that says,

>>> "Please select operating system"

>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

>>> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

>>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If

>>> I

>>> choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start

>>> because of

>>> a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected boot

>>> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking the

>>> documentation. Any thoughts about this?

>>

>> I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find the

>> DSR Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by

>> editing it properly.

>>

>>> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>>> couldn't find her discs.

>>

>> Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version).

>> Mine did.

>>

>>> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

>>> fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>

>> Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System

>> Restore

>> partition back now.

>>

>> It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System

>> Restore

>> partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system

>> back

>> as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

>

> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their PCs

> with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery

> partition

> on the hard disc.

 

Well, I bought my WinXP Dell Desktop at the beginning of this year, and it

came with both the Dell System Restore partition AND the Dell OEM Windows XP

Home CD.

[Guest Mazie]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

M.I.5¾ wrote:

> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their PCs

> with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery partition

> on the hard disc.

 

My very recent Dell came with,in addition to a drivers disk, both

an O/S reinstallation disk and a recovery partition. Don't know

why I need the recovery partition...

 

Mazie

[Guest Bob I]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

 

Mazie wrote:

> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>

>> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their

>> PCs with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery

>> partition on the hard disc.

>

>

> My very recent Dell came with,in addition to a drivers disk, both an O/S

> reinstallation disk and a recovery partition. Don't know why I need the

> recovery partition...

>

> Mazie

 

Because its a lot faster than feeding CD's and loading drivers

individually. It sets up the factory fresh layout, but you have the

option to do a "custom" install from the CD's.

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

Jim Ludwig wrote:

> Hi all,

> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy

> of win xp, but used her product key from the label on her computer

> and it activated fine. I am having two problems that are more

> annoyance than anything:

> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

> comes up that says,

> "Please select operating system"

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the

> countdown finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes

> booting. If I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it

> couldn't start because of a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't

> read from selected boot disk. Check boot path and hardware.

> Plus some stuff about checking the documentation.

> Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

> couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my

> formatting and fdisk have wiped that clean?

 

As you no doubt discovered by now, FDISK and Format do not rewrite the

Master Boot Record. For this, and other, reasons, the two are not

appropriate for XP installations.

[Guest Jim Ludwig]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

Here are the contents of the boot.ini file:

[boot loader]

 

timeout=30

 

default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

 

[operating systems]

 

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

 

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

Edition" /fastdetect

 

 

 

How do I need to edit this file to prevent my problem? I was just going to

put a semicolon at the beginning of the very last line (at least that used

to be how we could add a comment line 20 ys. ago!), but should I just delete

the entire line instead? Also I notice the timeout=30 line. Do I need to

do anything with that?

 

Thanks again!

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

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>

> "Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

> news:vpRlk.19187$Ri.1292@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...

>> Hi all,

>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She

>> was not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win

>> xp, but used her product key from the label on her computer and it

>> activated fine. I am having two problems that are more annoyance than

>> anything:

>>

>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>> comes up that says,

>> "Please select operating system"

>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

>> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting. If

>> I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start

>> because of a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from

>> selected boot disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about

>> checking the documentation.

>> Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>> couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my formatting

>> and fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>

>> Second problem...Since she didn't have her discs, I had to get a number

>> of her drivers from Dell's support site using her service tag.

>> Everything seems to be working. However, in device manager, a number of

>> devices are listed twice or more. Her graphics adapter (integrated) and

>> plug n' play monitor are both listed twice. Under the IDE controllers

>> heading, primary IDE controller, secondary IDE controller, and standard

>> dual channel PCI IDE controller are all listed twice. Under usb heading,

>> standard universal pci to usb host controller is listed 4 times and usb

>> root hub is listed 5 times. She has 8 usb ports (6 back, 2 front).

>> Anyway, like I said, everything works, but why are some things listed

>> more than once?

>> Thanks for any light anyone can shed.

>>

>

> The listings for the usb host controller and usb root ports are all

> consitent with the 8 USB2 ports that you clearly have as you have 4

> standard USB1 host controllers and 5 root hubs (4 for USB1 and 1 for

> USB2). You will also have a single enhanced USB2 controller. The

> graphics adapter may well be listed twice if it is a dual head graphic

> card and the monitors have reflected this. The IDE controllers do puzzle

> me though they may be correct. The two PCI IDE controllers may be

> reasonable. If the machine works satisfactorily then I wouldn't worry

> about it. If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

>

> The menu asking you to select the operating system is because you didn't

> perform a clean install but installed the new operating system along side

> the old one (or at least you did something that the install routine

> thought that you had).

>

> If you post the contents of your BOOT.INI file, I or someone will explain

> what changes you need to make to make the system boot into Windows without

> asking the question above.

>

> If you are reasonably familiar with these things you need to remove the

> reference to a second operating system. But if you are not, then the

> wrong change can leave you with a non functioning system.

>

>

>

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:uBvD0Ls9IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>>>> Hi all,

>>>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

>>>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She

>>>> was

>>>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win xp,

>>>> but

>>>> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

>>>> fine.

>>>> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>>>>

>>>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>>>> comes up that says,

>>>> "Please select operating system"

>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If

>>>> I

>>>> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the countdown

>>>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting.

>>>> If I

>>>> choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start

>>>> because of

>>>> a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected

>>>> boot

>>>> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking

>>>> the

>>>> documentation. Any thoughts about this?

>>>

>>> I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find the

>>> DSR Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by

>>> editing it properly.

>>>

>>>> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>>>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>>>> couldn't find her discs.

>>>

>>> Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version).

>>> Mine did.

>>>

>>>> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

>>>> fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System

>>> Restore

>>> partition back now.

>>>

>>> It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System

>>> Restore

>>> partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system

>>> back

>>> as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

>>

>> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their PCs

>> with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery

>> partition

>> on the hard disc.

>

> Well, I bought my WinXP Dell Desktop at the beginning of this year, and it

> came with both the Dell System Restore partition AND the Dell OEM Windows

> XP Home CD.

 

I too bought a Dell WinXP Desktop. No recovery partition, just the restore

CD and a drivers CD.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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> Here are the contents of the boot.ini file:

> [boot loader]

>

> timeout=30

>

> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

>

> [operating systems]

>

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

> edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

> Edition" /fastdetect

>

 

 

Make a copy of the BOOT.INI file (to (say) BOOT.BAK) and then Delete the

line that says:

 

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

Edition" /fastdetect

 

from the BOOT.INI file.

 

I assume from the "/NoExecute=OptIn" in the previous line that that you have

very new processor, but if you haven't it does nothing.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>> Hi all,

>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She was

>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy

>> of win xp, but used her product key from the label on her computer

>> and it activated fine. I am having two problems that are more

>> annoyance than anything:

>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>> comes up that says,

>> "Please select operating system"

>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If I

>> choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the

>> countdown finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes

>> booting. If I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it

>> couldn't start because of a disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't

>> read from selected boot disk. Check boot path and hardware.

>> Plus some stuff about checking the documentation.

>> Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>> couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my

>> formatting and fdisk have wiped that clean?

>

> As you no doubt discovered by now, FDISK and Format do not rewrite the

> Master Boot Record. For this, and other, reasons, the two are not

> appropriate for XP installations.

 

FDISK can rewrite the master boot record but its academic as the XP

installation will write one as required.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:%23AeDkpy9IHA.1448@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uBvD0Ls9IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format) and

>>>>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She

>>>>> was

>>>>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win

>>>>> xp,

>>>>> but

>>>>> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

>>>>> fine.

>>>>> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>>>>>

>>>>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>>>>> comes up that says,

>>>>> "Please select operating system"

>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other. If

>>>>> I choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the

>>>>> countdown

>>>>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting.

>>>>> If I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't start

>>>>> because of a

>>>>> disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected boot

>>>>> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking

>>>>> the documentation. Any thoughts about this?

>>>>

>>>> I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find the

>>>> DSR Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by

>>>> editing it properly.

>>>>

>>>>> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>>>>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>>>>> couldn't find her discs.

>>>>

>>>> Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version).

>>>> Mine did.

>>>>

>>>>> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

>>>>> fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>>>

>>>> Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System

>>>> Restore partition back now.

>>>>

>>>> It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System

>>>> Restore

>>>> partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system

>>>> back as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

>>>

>>> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their

>>> PCs

>>> with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery

>>> partition on the hard disc.

>>

>> Well, I bought my WinXP Dell Desktop at the beginning of this year, and

>> it

>> came with both the Dell System Restore partition AND the Dell OEM Windows

>> XP Home CD.

>

> I too bought a Dell WinXP Desktop. No recovery partition, just the

> restore

> CD and a drivers CD.

 

I wonder why no Dell System Restore partition (or Diagnostics partition) on

yours? Are you certain? Because I bought my Dell 530 Inspiron Desktop

in January (with WinXP as my chosen option, and NOT Vista - it was getting

harder to find WinXP on many of the Dells even back then). So why not on

yours? And I have an Dell OEM WinXP CD, not just a restore CD)

[Guest BillW50]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

In news:4899468e$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net,

M.I.5¾ typed on Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:54:51 +0100:

>

> FDISK can rewrite the master boot record but its academic as the XP

> installation will write one as required.

 

Where is FDISK under a Windows XP installation? I only know of FIXMBR under

the Windows XP Recovery Console (not found in OEM versions AFAIK). And I am

not sure what FIXBOOT is really all about. Btw, Windows 98xx FDISK does fix

a problem that Windows XP FIXMBR can't, do to a bug or a feature (take your

pick) of Windows 98.

 

In news:486bbd86$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com,

BillW50 typed on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:40:04 -0500:

>

> I believe I now know why. Check this out. Apparently once Windows

> sees the original partition and the cloned partition at the same

> time, you are now screwed.

>

> http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/partsigs.htm#method3

>

> Although what is also interesting is if you planned on having the

> botched cloned partition to be drive C, using Win9x FDISK /MBR will

> fix this problem. While Windows 2000/XP FIXMBR will not.

 

--

Bill

Gateway Celeron M 370 (1.5GHZ)

MX6124 (laptop) w/2GB

Windows XP Home SP2 (120GB HD)

Intel® 910GML (64MB shared)

[Guest Jim Ludwig]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

Thanks to all! Editing the boot.ini file as suggested by M.I.5 3/4 did the

trick with the boot up problem. I still have the double entries in my

device manager, but I'm not going to worry about them. Everything is

working fine and frankly, my sister has certainly never heard of device

manager, let alone know where to find it!

Jim

 

"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

news:4899460b$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>

> "Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

> news:S99mk.18001$jI5.15871@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...

>> Here are the contents of the boot.ini file:

>> [boot loader]

>>

>> timeout=30

>>

>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

>>

>> [operating systems]

>>

>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

>> edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>>

>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

>> Edition" /fastdetect

>>

>

>

> Make a copy of the BOOT.INI file (to (say) BOOT.BAK) and then Delete the

> line that says:

>

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

> Edition" /fastdetect

>

> from the BOOT.INI file.

>

> I assume from the "/NoExecute=OptIn" in the previous line that that you

> have very new processor, but if you haven't it does nothing.

>

>

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:OE8aco59IHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:%23AeDkpy9IHA.1448@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uBvD0Ls9IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format)

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She

>>>>>> was

>>>>>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win

>>>>>> xp,

>>>>>> but

>>>>>> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

>>>>>> fine.

>>>>>> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>>>>>> comes up that says,

>>>>>> "Please select operating system"

>>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>>>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other.

>>>>>> If

>>>>>> I choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the

>>>>>> countdown

>>>>>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting.

>>>>>> If I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't

>>>>>> start

>>>>>> because of a

>>>>>> disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected boot

>>>>>> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking

>>>>>> the documentation. Any thoughts about this?

>>>>>

>>>>> I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find

>>>>> the

>>>>> DSR Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by

>>>>> editing it properly.

>>>>>

>>>>>> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>>>>>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why she

>>>>>> couldn't find her discs.

>>>>>

>>>>> Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version).

>>>>> Mine did.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

>>>>>> fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>>>>

>>>>> Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System

>>>>> Restore partition back now.

>>>>>

>>>>> It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System

>>>>> Restore

>>>>> partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system

>>>>> back as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

>>>>

>>>> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their

>>>> PCs

>>>> with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery

>>>> partition on the hard disc.

>>>

>>> Well, I bought my WinXP Dell Desktop at the beginning of this year, and

>>> it

>>> came with both the Dell System Restore partition AND the Dell OEM

>>> Windows

>>> XP Home CD.

>>

>> I too bought a Dell WinXP Desktop. No recovery partition, just the

>> restore

>> CD and a drivers CD.

>

> I wonder why no Dell System Restore partition (or Diagnostics partition)

> on yours? Are you certain? Because I bought my Dell 530 Inspiron

> Desktop in January (with WinXP as my chosen option, and NOT Vista - it was

> getting harder to find WinXP on many of the Dells even back then). So

> why not on yours? And I have an Dell OEM WinXP CD, not just a restore

> CD)

 

Mine also bought in January. Definitely no restore partition. Comes with a

Dell restore CD not an OEM CD. I also got it because it had WinXP (PRO -

but what the hell) rather than Vista. Mine is also is a Dell Inspiron 530.

As you can customise the build to a considerable extent, I wonder if the

recovery method supplied is dependant on what toys the machine comes with.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:VDkmk.9269$vn7.6510@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...

> Thanks to all! Editing the boot.ini file as suggested by M.I.5 3/4 did

> the trick with the boot up problem. I still have the double entries in my

> device manager, but I'm not going to worry about them. Everything is

> working fine and frankly, my sister has certainly never heard of device

> manager, let alone know where to find it!

> Jim

>

 

Glad to assist, and thanks for letting us know.

> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:4899460b$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>>

>> "Jim Ludwig" <jimlud@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

>> news:S99mk.18001$jI5.15871@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...

>>> Here are the contents of the boot.ini file:

>>> [boot loader]

>>>

>>> timeout=30

>>>

>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

>>>

>>> [operating systems]

>>>

>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

>>> edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>>>

>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

>>> Edition" /fastdetect

>>>

>>

>>

>> Make a copy of the BOOT.INI file (to (say) BOOT.BAK) and then Delete the

>> line that says:

>>

>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home

>> Edition" /fastdetect

>>

>> from the BOOT.INI file.

>>

>> I assume from the "/NoExecute=OptIn" in the previous line that that you

>> have very new processor, but if you haven't it does nothing.

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

 

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:u$$Mrr89IHA.4892@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> In news:4899468e$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net,

> M.I.5¾ typed on Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:54:51 +0100:

>>

>> FDISK can rewrite the master boot record but its academic as the XP

>> installation will write one as required.

>

> Where is FDISK under a Windows XP installation? I only know of FIXMBR

> under the Windows XP Recovery Console (not found in OEM versions AFAIK).

> And I am not sure what FIXBOOT is really all about. Btw, Windows 98xx

> FDISK does fix a problem that Windows XP FIXMBR can't, do to a bug or a

> feature (take your pick) of Windows 98.

>

 

FDISK is not supplied with Windows XP. You have to use one from a previous

incarnation of windows.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:OE8aco59IHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:%23AeDkpy9IHA.1448@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uBvD0Ls9IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format)

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell Dimension. She

>>>>>>> was

>>>>>>> not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I used my copy of win

>>>>>>> xp,

>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>> used her product key from the label on her computer and it activated

>>>>>>> fine.

>>>>>>> I am having two problems that are more annoyance than anything:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>>>>>>> comes up that says,

>>>>>>> "Please select operating system"

>>>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>>>>>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other.

>>>>>>> If I choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the

>>>>>>> countdown

>>>>>>> finish, it automatically chooses the first one and finishes booting.

>>>>>>> If I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying that it couldn't

>>>>>>> start because of a

>>>>>>> disk hardware configuration problem. Couldn't read from selected

>>>>>>> boot

>>>>>>> disk. Check boot path and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking

>>>>>>> the documentation. Any thoughts about this?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think this is due to the "boot.ini" file (still expecting to find

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> DSR Dell System Restore partition). If so, you can correct that by

>>>>>> editing it properly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>>>>>>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why

>>>>>>> she

>>>>>>> couldn't find her discs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Even with that, they sometimes include the Windows CD (OEM version).

>>>>>> Mine did.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Even if that is the case, should my formatting and

>>>>>>> fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to get the Dell System

>>>>>> Restore partition back now.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It's too bad you Fdisked the HD, and therein wiped the Dell System

>>>>>> Restore

>>>>>> partition, as that would have been the simplest way to get the system

>>>>>> back as it was shipped, and with the necessary drivers, etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't know about 3 years ago, but even today, Dell still ship their

>>>>> PCs with a recovery disc and drivers discs rather than put a recovery

>>>>> partition on the hard disc.

>>>>

>>>> Well, I bought my WinXP Dell Desktop at the beginning of this year, and

>>>> it came with both the Dell System Restore partition AND the Dell OEM

>>>> Windows XP Home CD.

>>>

>>> I too bought a Dell WinXP Desktop. No recovery partition, just the

>>> restore CD and a drivers CD.

>>

>> I wonder why no Dell System Restore partition (or Diagnostics partition)

>> on yours? Are you certain? Because I bought my Dell 530 Inspiron

>> Desktop in January (with WinXP as my chosen option, and NOT Vista - it

>> was

>> getting harder to find WinXP on many of the Dells even back then). So

>> why not on yours? And I have an Dell OEM WinXP CD, not just a restore

>> CD)

>

> Mine also bought in January. Definitely no restore partition. Comes with

> a

> Dell restore CD not an OEM CD. I also got it because it had WinXP (PRO -

> but what the hell) rather than Vista. Mine is also is a Dell Inspiron

> 530.

> As you can customise the build to a considerable extent, I wonder if the

> recovery method supplied is dependent on what toys the machine comes with.

 

Perhaps. I'm a bit surprised at all this difference, however. Perhaps

it was also due to the Pro version coming on yours.

 

(BTW, my CD is called the Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2,

Reinstallation CD).

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Some anomalies after reinstallation

 

M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23VI1DR09IHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Jim Ludwig wrote:

>>> Hi all,

>>> I recently wiped my sisters computer clean (fdisk and slow format)

>>> and reinstalled WinXP Home fresh. She has a 3 yr old Dell

>>> Dimension. She was not able to find her Win XP or driver discs. I

>>> used my copy of win xp, but used her product key from the label on her

>>> computer

>>> and it activated fine. I am having two problems that are more

>>> annoyance than anything:

>>> First, when you reboot the computer, when still in the bios a screen

>>> comes up that says,

>>> "Please select operating system"

>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

>>> and there is a count down waiting for me to pick one or the other.

>>> If I choose the first one, Windows boots normally. If I let the

>>> countdown finish, it automatically chooses the first one and

>>> finishes booting. If I choose the 2nd one, I get a message saying

>>> that it couldn't start because of a disk hardware configuration

>>> problem. Couldn't read from selected boot disk. Check boot path

>>> and hardware. Plus some stuff about checking the documentation.

>>> Any thoughts about this? I am wondering if she had a backup/restore

>>> partition on the hard drive from the factory and maybe that's why

>>> she couldn't find her discs. Even if that is the case, should my

>>> formatting and fdisk have wiped that clean?

>>

>> As you no doubt discovered by now, FDISK and Format do not rewrite

>> the Master Boot Record. For this, and other, reasons, the two are not

>> appropriate for XP installations.

>

> FDISK can rewrite the master boot record but its academic as the XP

> installation will write one as required.

 

Yes, FDISK CAN rewrite the MBR, but only if you specify the /MBR switch.

What I suspect is that the OP ran FDISK without the switch. Then the XP

installation finds the MBR and, instead of replacing it, added another entry

for (what it believed to be) a second OS for the drive.

 

Then, during the boot process, the system puts its list of OSes on the

screen: pick one. But one - the original - has been scratched by the FORMAT

process.

 

I may be wrong; I've been thinking a lot about ducks lately, particularly

mallards.