Guest bagger Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. tia
Guest Alias Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 bagger wrote: > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file aspi2dos.sys > was not found". any help appreciated. > tia You can find one at: http://www.bootdisk.com Alias
Guest Mike M Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. Download the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the start-up disk. -- Mike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > tia
Guest bagger Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. Download > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. >> was able to create a disk from this site > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the > start-up disk. > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > Mike Maltby > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > > tia > >
Guest Corday Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > > "Mike M" wrote: > > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. > > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. Download > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. > > >> was able to create a disk from this site > > > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the > > start-up disk. > > > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > > Mike Maltby > > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > > > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > > > tia > > > >
Guest bagger Posted August 11, 2008 Posted August 11, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: > Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > Corday > > > "bagger" wrote: > > > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. > > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the > > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device > > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a > > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not > > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, > > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > > > > "Mike M" wrote: > > > > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the > > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either > > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files > > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder > > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up > > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking > > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it > > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. > > > > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can > > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. Download > > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts > > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded > > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. > > > > >> was able to create a disk from this site > > > > > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line > > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the > > > start-up disk. > > > > > > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > > > Mike Maltby > > > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > > > > tia > > > > > >
Guest Corday Posted August 11, 2008 Posted August 11, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Using SR in safe mode wipes out previous "saves". If you have a dignostic program like Norrton System Works or Dell's, try running hardware check and see what happens. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version > line. > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > > "Corday" wrote: > > > Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > > Corday > > > > > > "bagger" wrote: > > > > > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. > > > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the > > > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device > > > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a > > > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not > > > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, > > > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > > > > > > "Mike M" wrote: > > > > > > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the > > > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either > > > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files > > > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder > > > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up > > > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking > > > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it > > > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. > > > > > > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > > > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can > > > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. Download > > > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts > > > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded > > > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. > > > > > > >> was able to create a disk from this site > > > > > > > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line > > > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the > > > > start-up disk. > > > > > > > > > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > > > > Mike Maltby > > > > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > > > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > > > > > tia > > > > > > > >
Guest Mike M Posted August 11, 2008 Posted August 11, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 > Using SR in safe mode wipes out previous "saves". Incorrect, using SR in safe mode does not "wipe out" system restore checkpoints or clear the archive, however, as "bagger" said, installing the 290700 patch clears the archive and resets the state manager. Perhaps you meant instead to say that when using SR from Safe Mode it does not automatically create a checkpoint meaning that you cannot undo the restore. -- Mike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com Corday <10Swinner@net.net> wrote: > Using SR in safe mode wipes out previous "saves". If you have a > dignostic program like Norrton System Works or Dell's, try running > hardware check and see what happens.
Guest Mart Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios > version > line. > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > > "Corday" wrote: > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. >> Corday >> >> >> "bagger" wrote: >> >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. >> > the >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. >> > Did a >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was >> > not >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. >> > printer, >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: >> > >> > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at >> > > the >> > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally >> > > either >> > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the >> > > files >> > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder >> > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a >> > > start-up >> > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try >> > > looking >> > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it >> > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing >> > > file. >> > >> > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. >> > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can >> > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. >> > > Download >> > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the >> > > prompts >> > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the >> > > downloaded >> > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. >> > >> > >> was able to create a disk from this site >> > > >> > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line >> > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do >> > > with the >> > > start-up disk. >> > >> > >> > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. >> > > Mike Maltby >> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file >> > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. >> > > > tia >> > > >> > >
Guest bagger Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. > 1. didn't work. >2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! > > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? > > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. > > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? > > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > > Two suggested courses of action :- > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. > > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. > > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. > > If so, then that's a good start. > > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. > > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. > > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. > > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how > you get on. > > Mart > > > > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios > > version > > line. > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > > > > "Corday" wrote: > > > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > >> Corday > >> > >> > >> "bagger" wrote: > >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. > >> > the > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. > >> > Did a > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was > >> > not > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. > >> > printer, > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > >> > > >> > "Mike M" wrote: > >> > > >> > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at > >> > > the > >> > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally > >> > > either > >> > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the > >> > > files > >> > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder > >> > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a > >> > > start-up > >> > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try > >> > > looking > >> > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it > >> > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing > >> > > file. > >> > > >> > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > >> > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can > >> > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. > >> > > Download > >> > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the > >> > > prompts > >> > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the > >> > > downloaded > >> > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. > >> > > >> > >> was able to create a disk from this site > >> > > > >> > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line > >> > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do > >> > > with the > >> > > start-up disk. > >> > > >> > > >> > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > >> > > Mike Maltby > >> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > >> > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > >> > > > tia > >> > > > >> > > > > >
Guest Corday Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: > Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. > > > 1. > didn't work. > > >2. If 1 is not successful, > this worked, > > but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not > show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. > Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture > disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external > burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when > booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & > Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore > function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all > previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system > per kb articles. > > > > "Mart" wrote: > > > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! > > > > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? > > > > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. > > > > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? > > > > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe > > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it > > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous > > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > > > > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > > > > Two suggested courses of action :- > > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) > > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. > > > > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot > > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all > > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM > > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try > > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter > > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. > > > > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. > > > > If so, then that's a good start. > > > > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. > > > > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. > > > > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and > > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. > > > > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just > > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how > > you get on. > > > > Mart > > > > > > > > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device > > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios > > > version > > > line. > > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all > > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > > > > > > "Corday" wrote: > > > > > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > > >> Corday > > >> > > >> > > >> "bagger" wrote: > > >> > > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. > > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. > > >> > the > > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device > > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. > > >> > Did a > > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was > > >> > not > > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. > > >> > printer, > > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > > >> > > > >> > "Mike M" wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at > > >> > > the > > >> > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally > > >> > > either > > >> > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the > > >> > > files > > >> > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder > > >> > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a > > >> > > start-up > > >> > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try > > >> > > looking > > >> > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it > > >> > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing > > >> > > file. > > >> > > > >> > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > > >> > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can > > >> > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. > > >> > > Download > > >> > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the > > >> > > prompts > > >> > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the > > >> > > downloaded > > >> > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. > > >> > > > >> > >> was able to create a disk from this site > > >> > > > > >> > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line > > >> > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do > > >> > > with the > > >> > > start-up disk. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > > >> > > Mike Maltby > > >> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file > > >> > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > > >> > > > tia > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
Guest Mart Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: suggestion#2, when you said :- > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr > in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall > might be inorder. > -- > I mastered Wordstar graphics! > > > "bagger" wrote: > >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. >> >> > 1. >> didn't work. >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, >> this worked, >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a >> picture >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also >> when >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell >> logo & >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the >> system >> per kb articles. >> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote: >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! >> > >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? >> > >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. >> > >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? >> > >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer >> > etc., it >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from >> > previous >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... >> > >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> > >> > Two suggested courses of action :- >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and >> > controllers) >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. >> > >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore >> > Boot >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. >> > If all >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your >> > CD-ROM >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help >> > Page) try >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. >> > >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. >> > >> > If so, then that's a good start. >> > >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. >> > >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. >> > >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working >> > and >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. >> > >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know >> > how >> > you get on. >> > >> > Mart >> > >> > >> > >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the >> > > device >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios >> > > version >> > > line. >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost >> > > all >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. >> > > >> > > "Corday" wrote: >> > > >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. >> > >> Corday >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked >> > >> > up. >> > >> > the >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the >> > >> > device >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag >> > >> > all OK. >> > >> > Did a >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, >> > >> > was >> > >> > not >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but >> > >> > does. >> > >> > printer, >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. >> > >> > >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing >> > >> > > at >> > >> > > the >> > >> > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), >> > >> > > normally >> > >> > > either >> > >> > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of >> > >> > > the >> > >> > > files >> > >> > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the >> > >> > > folder >> > >> > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a >> > >> > > start-up >> > >> > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. >> > >> > > Try >> > >> > > looking >> > >> > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk >> > >> > > point it >> > >> > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a >> > >> > > missing >> > >> > > file. >> > >> > >> > >> > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. >> > >> > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you >> > >> > > can >> > >> > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. >> > >> > > Download >> > >> > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the >> > >> > > prompts >> > >> > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the >> > >> > > downloaded >> > >> > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> was able to create a disk from this site >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject >> > >> > > line >> > >> > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to >> > >> > > do >> > >> > > with the >> > >> > > start-up disk. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. >> > >> > > Mike Maltby >> > >> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the >> > >> > > > file >> > >> > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. >> > >> > > > tia >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> >
Guest bagger Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. >(well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true >aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box >need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. >then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. > as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. >clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system > Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. >then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. >Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe > installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: > Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of > WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would > certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was > successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe > installation. > > However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring > little alarm bells. > > You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is > no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This > leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a > boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you > weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were > you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > > Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest > cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't > fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). > > But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please > clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. > > Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which > makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - > and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to > agree with Corday's solution. > > But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: > suggestion#2, when you said :- > > > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. > > Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to > open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have > been loaded so how else would you open & close it? > > and then :- > > > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr > > in the safe mode after performing #1. > > Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't > show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into > Normal Mode) > > Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe > installation. > > Mart > > > > "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message > news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... > > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try > > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall > > might be inorder. > > -- > > I mastered Wordstar graphics! > > > > > > "bagger" wrote: > > > >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. > >> > >> > 1. > >> didn't work. > >> > >> >2. If 1 is not successful, > >> this worked, > >> > >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not > >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a > >> picture > >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external > >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also > >> when > >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell > >> logo & > >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore > >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all > >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the > >> system > >> per kb articles. > >> > >> > >> > >> "Mart" wrote: > >> > >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! > >> > > >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? > >> > > >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. > >> > > >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? > >> > > >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe > >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer > >> > etc., it > >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from > >> > previous > >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > >> > > >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> > > >> > Two suggested courses of action :- > >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and > >> > controllers) > >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. > >> > > >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore > >> > Boot > >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. > >> > If all > >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your > >> > CD-ROM > >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help > >> > Page) try > >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter > >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. > >> > > >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. > >> > > >> > If so, then that's a good start. > >> > > >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. > >> > > >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. > >> > > >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working > >> > and > >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. > >> > > >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just > >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know > >> > how > >> > you get on. > >> > > >> > Mart > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the > >> > > device > >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios > >> > > version > >> > > line. > >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost > >> > > all > >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > >> > > > >> > > "Corday" wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > >> > >> Corday > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "bagger" wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. > >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked > >> > >> > up. > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the > >> > >> > device > >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag > >> > >> > all OK. > >> > >> > Did a > >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, > >> > >> > was > >> > >> > not > >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but > >> > >> > does. > >> > >> > printer, > >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing > >> > >> > > at > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), > >> > >> > > normally > >> > >> > > either > >> > >> > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > files > >> > >> > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the > >> > >> > > folder > >> > >> > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a > >> > >> > > start-up > >> > >> > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. > >> > >> > > Try > >> > >> > > looking > >> > >> > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk > >> > >> > > point it > >> > >> > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a > >> > >> > > missing > >> > >> > > file. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. > >> > >> > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you > >> > >> > > can > >> > >> > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from http://www.bootdisk.com. > >> > >> > > Download > >> > >> > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the > >> > >> > > prompts > >> > >> > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the > >> > >> > > downloaded > >> > >> > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> was able to create a disk from this site > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject > >> > >> > > line > >> > >> > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to > >> > >> > > do > >> > >> > > with the > >> > >> > > start-up disk. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. > >> > >> > > Mike Maltby > >> > >> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the > >> > >> > > > file > >> > >> > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. > >> > >> > > > tia > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >
Guest Mart Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. Please clarify further :- 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM However, please also clarify :- 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! Mart "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com... > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. > History- i know just enough to be dangerous. > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install > win > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version > soup. > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like > what > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. > >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution > with me as an operator may not be true > >>aspi2dos.sys was missing > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box > >>need to create a boot disk? > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going > to > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. > >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > don't know, just stabbing for answers. > >> as in it didn't restore at all?, > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore > to > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys > restore > worked. > >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only > after > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a > periphal > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system > >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you >>re-booted (into Normal Mode) > OK, i understand. > >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe >> installation. > Any suggestions on procedures to do this? > > > > > "Mart" wrote: > >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install >> of >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe >> installation. >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring >> little alarm bells. >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself >> is >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create >> a >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what >> were >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk? >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes >> which >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become >> damaged - >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start >> to >> agree with Corday's solution. >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: >> suggestion#2, when you said :- >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect >> to >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even >> have >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it? >> >> and then :- >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr >> > in the safe mode after performing #1. >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it >> won't >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into >> Normal Mode) >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) >> WinMe >> installation. >> >> Mart >> >> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might >> > try >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME >> > reinstall >> > might be inorder. >> > -- >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics! >> > >> > >> > "bagger" wrote: >> > >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. >> >> >> >> > 1. >> >> didn't work. >> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, >> >> this worked, >> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does >> >> not >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a >> >> picture >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my >> >> external >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also >> >> when >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell >> >> logo & >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the >> >> system >> >> per kb articles. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote: >> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! >> >> > >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? >> >> > >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. >> >> > >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? >> >> > >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in >> >> > Safe >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer >> >> > etc., it >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from >> >> > previous >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... >> >> > >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> >> > >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :- >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and >> >> > controllers) >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. >> >> > >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore >> >> > Boot >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support >> >> > option. >> >> > If all >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your >> >> > CD-ROM >> >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help >> >> > Page) try >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. >> >> > >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. >> >> > >> >> > If so, then that's a good start. >> >> > >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. >> >> > >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. >> >> > >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be >> >> > working >> >> > and >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. >> >> > >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I >> >> > just >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us >> >> > know >> >> > how >> >> > you get on. >> >> > >> >> > Mart >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the >> >> > > device >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the >> >> > > bios >> >> > > version >> >> > > line. >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however >> >> > > lost >> >> > > all >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. >> >> > > >> >> > > "Corday" wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. >> >> > >> Corday >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first >> >> > >> > thought. >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system >> >> > >> > locked >> >> > >> > up. >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > device >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag >> >> > >> > all OK. >> >> > >> > Did a >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys >> >> > >> > restore, >> >> > >> > was >> >> > >> > not >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but >> >> > >> > does. >> >> > >> > printer, >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't >> >> > >> > > pointing >> >> > >> > > at >> >> > >> > > the >> >> > >> > > correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), >> >> > >> > > normally >> >> > >> > > either >> >> > >> > > C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All >> >> > >> > > of >> >> > >> > > the >> >> > >> > > files >> >> > >> > > required for the start-up disk should also be present in the >> >> > >> > > folder >> >> > >> > > C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a >> >> > >> > > start-up >> >> > >> > > disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. >> >> > >> > > Try >> >> > >> > > looking >> >> > >> > > for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk >> >> > >> > > point it >> >> > >> > > towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a >> >> > >> > > missing >> >> > >> > > file. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > >wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. >> >> > >> > > Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk >> >> > >> > > you >> >> > >> > > can >> >> > >> > > download the image of a Win Me boot disk from >> >> > >> > > http://www.bootdisk.com. >> >> > >> > > Download >> >> > >> > > the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow >> >> > >> > > the >> >> > >> > > prompts >> >> > >> > > which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy >> >> > >> > > the >> >> > >> > > downloaded >> >> > >> > > file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> was able to create a disk from this site >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your >> >> > >> > > subject >> >> > >> > > line >> >> > >> > > "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such >> >> > >> > > to >> >> > >> > > do >> >> > >> > > with the >> >> > >> > > start-up disk. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > > means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. >> >> > >> > > Mike Maltby >> >> > >> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > bagger <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the >> >> > >> > > > file >> >> > >> > > > aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. >> >> > >> > > > tia >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>
Guest bagger Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? yes, by checking the 2nd time. >the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory of some system files. also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE >So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install > WinMe!! I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. "Mart" wrote: > Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? > > >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the > > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > > Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. > > Please clarify further :- > 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with > CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with > the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? > > If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue > alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM > > However, please also clarify :- > 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully > complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see > the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? > > So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install > WinMe!! > > Mart > > > > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com... > > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. > > History- i know just enough to be dangerous. > > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install > > win > > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version > > soup. > > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling > > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on > > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like > > what > > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. > > > >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution > > with me as an operator may not be true > > > >>aspi2dos.sys was missing > > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box > > > >>need to create a boot disk? > > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going > > to > > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. > > > >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > > don't know, just stabbing for answers. > > > >> as in it didn't restore at all?, > > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore > > to > > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have > > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch > > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys > > restore > > worked. > > > >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM > > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the > > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only > > after > > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a > > periphal > > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system > > > >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the > > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > > > >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you > >>re-booted (into Normal Mode) > > OK, i understand. > > > >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe > >> installation. > > Any suggestions on procedures to do this? > > > > > > > > > > "Mart" wrote: > > > >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install > >> of > >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would > >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was > >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe > >> installation. > >> > >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring > >> little alarm bells. > >> > >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself > >> is > >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This > >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create > >> a > >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you > >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what > >> were > >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > >> > >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest > >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't > >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). > >> > >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please > >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. > >> > >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes > >> which > >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become > >> damaged - > >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start > >> to > >> agree with Corday's solution. > >> > >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: > >> suggestion#2, when you said :- > >> > >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. > >> > >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect > >> to > >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even > >> have > >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it? > >> > >> and then :- > >> > >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr > >> > in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> > >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it > >> won't > >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into > >> Normal Mode) > >> > >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) > >> WinMe > >> installation. > >> > >> Mart > >> > >> > >> > >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message > >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... > >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might > >> > try > >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME > >> > reinstall > >> > might be inorder. > >> > -- > >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics! > >> > > >> > > >> > "bagger" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. > >> >> > >> >> > 1. > >> >> didn't work. > >> >> > >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, > >> >> this worked, > >> >> > >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does > >> >> not > >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a > >> >> picture > >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my > >> >> external > >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also > >> >> when > >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell > >> >> logo & > >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore > >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all > >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the > >> >> system > >> >> per kb articles. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Mart" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! > >> >> > > >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? > >> >> > > >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. > >> >> > > >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? > >> >> > > >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in > >> >> > Safe > >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer > >> >> > etc., it > >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from > >> >> > previous > >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > >> >> > > >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> >> > > >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :- > >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and > >> >> > controllers) > >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. > >> >> > > >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore > >> >> > Boot > >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support > >> >> > option. > >> >> > If all > >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your > >> >> > CD-ROM > >> >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the Help > >> >> > Page) try > >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter > >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. > >> >> > > >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. > >> >> > > >> >> > If so, then that's a good start. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. > >> >> > > >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. > >> >> > > >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be > >> >> > working > >> >> > and > >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. > >> >> > > >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I > >> >> > just > >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us > >> >> > know > >> >> > how > >> >> > you get on. > >> >> > > >> >> > Mart > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the > >> >> > > device > >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the > >> >> > > bios > >> >> > > version > >> >> > > line. > >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however > >> >> > > lost > >> >> > > all > >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > "Corday" wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > >> >> > >> Corday > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first > >> >> > >> > thought. > >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system > >> >> > >> > locked > >> >> > >> > up. > >> >> > >> > the > >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in > >> >> > >> > the > >> >> > >> > device > >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag > >> >> > >> > all OK. > >> >> > >> > Did a > >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys > >> >> > >> > restore, > >> >> > >> > was > >> >> > >> > not > >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but > >> >> > >> > does. > >> >> > >> > printer, > >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote:
Guest Mart Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Ah! - Progress! So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the > motherboard) are in place and tight. As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's no way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. Now to :- > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following > messages; > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' > No valid CDROM device drivers selected > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not see the CD-ROM drive. But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area in RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup disk utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities to operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not D: as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. Not a particularly difficult DIY task. Good luck Mart "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com... > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the > hairpin technique? > > yes, by checking the 2nd time. > >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? > > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory > of > some system files. > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following > messages; > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' > No valid CDROM device drivers selected > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE > >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install >> WinMe!! > > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. > > > > > "Mart" wrote: > >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. >> >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. >> >> Please clarify further :- >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open >> with >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? >> >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that >> issue >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM >> >> However, please also clarify :- >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? >> >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install >> WinMe!! >> >> Mart >> >> >> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com... >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous. >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me >> > install >> > win >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version >> > soup. >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of >> > reinstalling >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors >> > on >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like >> > what >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. >> > >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution >> > with me as an operator may not be true >> > >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box >> > >> >>need to create a boot disk? >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't >> > going >> > to >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. >> > >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers. >> > >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?, >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys >> > restore >> > to >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the >> > patch >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys >> > restore >> > worked. >> > >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only >> > after >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a >> > periphal >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system >> > >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. >> > >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode) >> > OK, i understand. >> > >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) >> >>WinMe >> >> installation. >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Mart" wrote: >> > >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean >> >> install >> >> of >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe >> >> installation. >> >> >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring >> >> little alarm bells. >> >> >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in >> >> itself >> >> is >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. >> >> This >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to >> >> create >> >> a >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what >> >> were >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk? >> >> >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and >> >> latest >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just >> >> didn't >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). >> >> >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. >> >> >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes >> >> which >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become >> >> damaged - >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I >> >> start >> >> to >> >> agree with Corday's solution. >> >> >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :- >> >> >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. >> >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you >> >> expect >> >> to >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even >> >> have >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it? >> >> >> >> and then :- >> >> >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1. >> >> >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it >> >> won't >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into >> >> Normal Mode) >> >> >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) >> >> WinMe >> >> installation. >> >> >> >> Mart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might >> >> > try >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME >> >> > reinstall >> >> > might be inorder. >> >> > -- >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "bagger" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. >> >> >> >> >> >> > 1. >> >> >> didn't work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, >> >> >> this worked, >> >> >> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom >> >> >> does >> >> >> not >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read >> >> >> a >> >> >> picture >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my >> >> >> external >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) >> >> >> also >> >> >> when >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the >> >> >> Dell >> >> >> logo & >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys >> >> >> restore >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost >> >> >> all >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the >> >> >> system >> >> >> per kb articles. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > Safe >> >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows >> >> >> > Explorer >> >> >> > etc., it >> >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' >> >> >> > from >> >> >> > previous >> >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :- >> >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and >> >> >> > controllers) >> >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install >> >> >> > it/them. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. >> >> >> > Therefore >> >> >> > Boot >> >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support >> >> >> > option. >> >> >> > If all >> >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to >> >> >> > your >> >> >> > CD-ROM >> >> >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the >> >> >> > Help >> >> >> > Page) try >> >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter >> >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If so, then that's a good start. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be >> >> >> > working >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I >> >> >> > just >> >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let >> >> >> > us >> >> >> > know >> >> >> > how >> >> >> > you get on. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Mart >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... >> >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in >> >> >> > > the >> >> >> > > device >> >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). >> >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the >> >> >> > > bios >> >> >> > > version >> >> >> > > line. >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however >> >> >> > > lost >> >> >> > > all >> >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > "Corday" wrote: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. >> >> >> > >> Corday >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first >> >> >> > >> > thought. >> >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system >> >> >> > >> > locked >> >> >> > >> > up. >> >> >> > >> > the >> >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in >> >> >> > >> > the >> >> >> > >> > device >> >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, >> >> >> > >> > defrag >> >> >> > >> > all OK. >> >> >> > >> > Did a >> >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys >> >> >> > >> > restore, >> >> >> > >> > was >> >> >> > >> > not >> >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot >> >> >> > >> > but >> >> >> > >> > does. >> >> >> > >> > printer, >> >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote:
Guest webster72n Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:%23a4qaVV$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Ah! - Progress! > > So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- > > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the > > motherboard) are in place and tight. > > As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's no > way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is > 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become > 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very > much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. > > Now to :- > > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following > > messages; > > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. > > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' > > No valid CDROM device drivers selected > > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM > > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE > > This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not see > the CD-ROM drive. > > But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area in > RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup disk > utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities to > operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: > drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. > > In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have > advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not D: > as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) > > So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a > burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very > much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. Not a > particularly difficult DIY task. Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid complications. Can you verify? Harry. > > Good luck > > Mart > > > > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com... > > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the > > hairpin technique? > > > > yes, by checking the 2nd time. > > > >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? > > > > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory > > of > > some system files. > > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following > > messages; > > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. > > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' > > No valid CDROM device drivers selected > > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM > > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE > > > >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install > >> WinMe!! > > > > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. > > > > > > > > > > "Mart" wrote: > > > >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? > >> > >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the > >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > >> > >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. > >> > >> Please clarify further :- > >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with > >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open > >> with > >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? > >> > >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that > >> issue > >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM > >> > >> However, please also clarify :- > >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully > >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see > >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? > >> > >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install > >> WinMe!! > >> > >> Mart > >> > >> > >> > >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com... > >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. > >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous. > >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me > >> > install > >> > win > >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version > >> > soup. > >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of > >> > reinstalling > >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors > >> > on > >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like > >> > what > >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. > >> > > >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution > >> > with me as an operator may not be true > >> > > >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing > >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box > >> > > >> >>need to create a boot disk? > >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't > >> > going > >> > to > >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. > >> > > >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers. > >> > > >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?, > >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys > >> > restore > >> > to > >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have > >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the > >> > patch > >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys > >> > restore > >> > worked. > >> > > >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM > >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the > >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only > >> > after > >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a > >> > periphal > >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system > >> > > >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the > >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > >> > > >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you > >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode) > >> > OK, i understand. > >> > > >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) > >> >>WinMe > >> >> installation. > >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Mart" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean > >> >> install > >> >> of > >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would > >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was > >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe > >> >> installation. > >> >> > >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring > >> >> little alarm bells. > >> >> > >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in > >> >> itself > >> >> is > >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. > >> >> This > >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to > >> >> create > >> >> a > >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you > >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what > >> >> were > >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > >> >> > >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and > >> >> latest > >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just > >> >> didn't > >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). > >> >> > >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please > >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. > >> >> > >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes > >> >> which > >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become > >> >> damaged - > >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I > >> >> start > >> >> to > >> >> agree with Corday's solution. > >> >> > >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: > >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :- > >> >> > >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. > >> >> > >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you > >> >> expect > >> >> to > >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even > >> >> have > >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it? > >> >> > >> >> and then :- > >> >> > >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr > >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> >> > >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it > >> >> won't > >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into > >> >> Normal Mode) > >> >> > >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) > >> >> WinMe > >> >> installation. > >> >> > >> >> Mart > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... > >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might > >> >> > try > >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME > >> >> > reinstall > >> >> > might be inorder. > >> >> > -- > >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics! > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "bagger" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 1. > >> >> >> didn't work. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, > >> >> >> this worked, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom > >> >> >> does > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> picture > >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my > >> >> >> external > >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) > >> >> >> also > >> >> >> when > >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the > >> >> >> Dell > >> >> >> logo & > >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys > >> >> >> restore > >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost > >> >> >> all > >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the > >> >> >> system > >> >> >> per kb articles. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Mart" wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> > Safe > >> >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows > >> >> >> > Explorer > >> >> >> > etc., it > >> >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' > >> >> >> > from > >> >> >> > previous > >> >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :- > >> >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and > >> >> >> > controllers) > >> >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install > >> >> >> > it/them. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. > >> >> >> > Therefore > >> >> >> > Boot > >> >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support > >> >> >> > option. > >> >> >> > If all > >> >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to > >> >> >> > your > >> >> >> > CD-ROM > >> >> >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the > >> >> >> > Help > >> >> >> > Page) try > >> >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter > >> >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If so, then that's a good start. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be > >> >> >> > working > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I > >> >> >> > just > >> >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let > >> >> >> > us > >> >> >> > know > >> >> >> > how > >> >> >> > you get on. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Mart > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in > >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> > > device > >> >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > >> >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the > >> >> >> > > bios > >> >> >> > > version > >> >> >> > > line. > >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however > >> >> >> > > lost > >> >> >> > > all > >> >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > "Corday" wrote: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > >> >> >> > >> Corday > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first > >> >> >> > >> > thought. > >> >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system > >> >> >> > >> > locked > >> >> >> > >> > up. > >> >> >> > >> > the > >> >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in > >> >> >> > >> > the > >> >> >> > >> > device > >> >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, > >> >> >> > >> > defrag > >> >> >> > >> > all OK. > >> >> >> > >> > Did a > >> >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys > >> >> >> > >> > restore, > >> >> >> > >> > was > >> >> >> > >> > not > >> >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot > >> >> >> > >> > but > >> >> >> > >> > does. > >> >> >> > >> > printer, > >> >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: > >
Guest Mike M Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 One rarely needs to install drivers for optical CD or DVD drives. What you _might_ be referring to is any CD/DVD mastering/writing software but even then I've swapped drives on a number of occasions and not had to change my software. Correction you would might have had to install drivers if the CD-ROM was pre around 1997 or so when standards were more fluid. -- Mike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote: > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time > back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I > didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the > old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid > complications. > Can you verify?
Guest webster72n Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Thanks for the clarification, Mike. Harry. "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:%23jHRWaX$IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > One rarely needs to install drivers for optical CD or DVD drives. What > you _might_ be referring to is any CD/DVD mastering/writing software but > even then I've swapped drives on a number of occasions and not had to > change my software. > > Correction you would might have had to install drivers if the CD-ROM was > pre around 1997 or so when standards were more fluid. > -- > Mike Maltby > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time > > back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I > > didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the > > old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid > > complications. > > Can you verify? >
Guest Mart Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Harry wrote :- > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to > recall quite some time back running into > trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. > I didn't remove the old drivers in device > manager before removing the old CD-ROM. > It is important that one does so in order to > avoid complications. Can you verify? Good point Harry, but 'normally' it wouldn't affect CD-ROM/DVD's because they all (well - nearly all) rely on the same MS WinMe drivers. (Not DOS drivers of course - as they're on the floppy disk). However, in this case I think bagger has already confirmed that there are no Drivers shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode in WinMe as he'd already "Removed" them earlier. But its not a bad habit to get into. Whenever I "Remove" hardware using Dev.Man from a WinMe pc, I always do it in Safe Mode - it lets me confirm that there are no other 'rogue' devices and their drivers which have been previously enumerated being left lurking there to cause future issues. (Something you can't so easily do in Normal Mode. Normal Mode only shows the current 'working' driver.) Mart "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OhcqLPX$IHA.1228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > news:%23a4qaVV$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Ah! - Progress! >> >> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- >> > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the >> > motherboard) are in place and tight. >> >> As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's >> no >> way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is >> 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become >> 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very >> much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. >> >> Now to :- >> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following >> > messages; >> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. >> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' >> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected >> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM >> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE >> >> This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not > see >> the CD-ROM drive. >> >> But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area >> in >> RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup > disk >> utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities >> to >> operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: >> drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. >> >> In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have >> advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not >> D: >> as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) >> >> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a >> burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very >> much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. >> Not > a >> particularly difficult DIY task. > > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back > running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't > remove > the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is > important that one does so in order to avoid complications. > Can you verify? > > Harry. > >> >> Good luck >> >> Mart >> >> >> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com... >> > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the >> > hairpin technique? >> > >> > yes, by checking the 2nd time. >> > >> >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? >> > >> > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the > directory >> > of >> > some system files. >> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following >> > messages; >> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. >> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' >> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected >> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM >> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE >> > >> >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you > re-install >> >> WinMe!! >> > >> > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Mart" wrote: >> > >> >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? >> >> >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? >> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before > the >> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. >> >> >> >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. >> >> >> >> Please clarify further :- >> >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and > with >> >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open >> >> with >> >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? >> >> >> >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that >> >> issue >> >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM >> >> >> >> However, please also clarify :- >> >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully >> >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can > see >> >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? >> >> >> >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you > re-install >> >> WinMe!! >> >> >> >> Mart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com... >> >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. >> >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous. >> >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me >> >> > install >> >> > win >> >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created >> >> > version >> >> > soup. >> >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of >> >> > reinstalling >> >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some > errors >> >> > on >> >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing > like >> >> > what >> >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. >> >> > >> >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution >> >> > with me as an operator may not be true >> >> > >> >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing >> >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box >> >> > >> >> >>need to create a boot disk? >> >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't >> >> > going >> >> > to >> >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. >> >> > >> >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? >> >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers. >> >> > >> >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?, >> >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys >> >> > restore >> >> > to >> >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should > have >> >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the >> >> > patch >> >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys >> >> > restore >> >> > worked. >> >> > >> >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM >> >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has > the >> >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read > only >> >> > after >> >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a >> >> > periphal >> >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system >> >> > >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? >> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before > the >> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. >> >> > >> >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when >> >> >>you >> >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode) >> >> > OK, i understand. >> >> > >> >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) >> >> >>WinMe >> >> >> installation. >> >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Mart" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean >> >> >> install >> >> >> of >> >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It > would >> >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 >> >> >> was >> >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your > WinMe >> >> >> installation. >> >> >> >> >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread > ring >> >> >> little alarm bells. >> >> >> >> >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in >> >> >> itself >> >> >> is >> >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. >> >> >> This >> >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to >> >> >> create >> >> >> a >> >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if > you >> >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then > what >> >> >> were >> >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk? >> >> >> >> >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and >> >> >> latest >> >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just >> >> >> didn't >> >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). >> >> >> >> >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So > please >> >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. >> >> >> >> >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article >> >> >> fixes >> >> >> which >> >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become >> >> >> damaged - >> >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I >> >> >> start >> >> >> to >> >> >> agree with Corday's solution. >> >> >> >> >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: >> >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :- >> >> >> >> >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. >> >> >> >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you >> >> >> expect >> >> >> to >> >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not > even >> >> >> have >> >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it? >> >> >> >> >> >> and then :- >> >> >> >> >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr >> >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1. >> >> >> >> >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then > it >> >> >> won't >> >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted > (into >> >> >> Normal Mode) >> >> >> >> >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system >> >> >> files) >> >> >> WinMe >> >> >> installation. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... >> >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You > might >> >> >> > try >> >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME >> >> >> > reinstall >> >> >> > might be inorder. >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "bagger" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 1. >> >> >> >> didn't work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, >> >> >> >> this worked, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom >> >> >> >> does >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. >> >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to > read >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> picture >> >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my >> >> >> >> external >> >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) >> >> >> >> also >> >> >> >> when >> >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> Dell >> >> >> >> logo & >> >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys >> >> >> >> restore >> >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but >> >> >> >> lost >> >> >> >> all >> >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on > the >> >> >> >> system >> >> >> >> per kb articles. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't >> >> >> >> > loaded >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > Safe >> >> >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows >> >> >> >> > Explorer >> >> >> >> > etc., it >> >> >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' >> >> >> >> > from >> >> >> >> > previous >> >> >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :- >> >> >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and >> >> >> >> > controllers) >> >> >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install >> >> >> >> > it/them. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. >> >> >> >> > Therefore >> >> >> >> > Boot >> >> >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support >> >> >> >> > option. >> >> >> >> > If all >> >> >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to >> >> >> >> > your >> >> >> >> > CD-ROM >> >> >> >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the >> >> >> >> > Help >> >> >> >> > Page) try >> >> >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter >> >> >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If so, then that's a good start. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be >> >> >> >> > working >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the >> >> >> >> > thread, > I >> >> >> >> > just >> >> >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". >> >> >> >> > Let >> >> >> >> > us >> >> >> >> > know >> >> >> >> > how >> >> >> >> > you get on. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Mart >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in >> >> >> >> > > the >> >> >> >> > > device >> >> >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). >> >> >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in > the >> >> >> >> > > bios >> >> >> >> > > version >> >> >> >> > > line. >> >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. >> >> >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, > however >> >> >> >> > > lost >> >> >> >> > > all >> >> >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > "Corday" wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. >> >> >> >> > >> Corday >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first >> >> >> >> > >> > thought. >> >> >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the > system >> >> >> >> > >> > locked >> >> >> >> > >> > up. >> >> >> >> > >> > the >> >> >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it > in >> >> >> >> > >> > the >> >> >> >> > >> > device >> >> >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, >> >> >> >> > >> > defrag >> >> >> >> > >> > all OK. >> >> >> >> > >> > Did a >> >> >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys >> >> >> >> > >> > restore, >> >> >> >> > >> > was >> >> >> >> > >> > not >> >> >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to >> >> >> >> > >> > boot >> >> >> >> > >> > but >> >> >> >> > >> > does. >> >> >> >> > >> > printer, >> >> >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: >> >> > >
Guest Mart Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 D'oh! - I Pressed Send before looking! But you (and Harry weren't there a few minutes ago. Thanks Mike. Mart "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:%23jHRWaX$IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > One rarely needs to install drivers for optical CD or DVD drives. What > you _might_ be referring to is any CD/DVD mastering/writing software but > even then I've swapped drives on a number of occasions and not had to > change my software. > > Correction you would might have had to install drivers if the CD-ROM was > pre around 1997 or so when standards were more fluid. > -- > Mike Maltby > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time >> back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I >> didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the >> old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid >> complications. >> Can you verify? >
Guest webster72n Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Thanks Mart, one can never know too much about it or any subject, for that matter. Harry. "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:uSMl$mX$IHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Harry wrote :- > > > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to > > recall quite some time back running into > > trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. > > I didn't remove the old drivers in device > > manager before removing the old CD-ROM. > > It is important that one does so in order to > > avoid complications. Can you verify? > > Good point Harry, but 'normally' it wouldn't affect CD-ROM/DVD's because > they all (well - nearly all) rely on the same MS WinMe drivers. (Not DOS > drivers of course - as they're on the floppy disk). However, in this case I > think bagger has already confirmed that there are no Drivers shown in > Dev.Man in Safe Mode in WinMe as he'd already "Removed" them earlier. But > its not a bad habit to get into. > > Whenever I "Remove" hardware using Dev.Man from a WinMe pc, I always do it > in Safe Mode - it lets me confirm that there are no other 'rogue' devices > and their drivers which have been previously enumerated being left lurking > there to cause future issues. (Something you can't so easily do in Normal > Mode. Normal Mode only shows the current 'working' driver.) > > Mart > > > > "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OhcqLPX$IHA.1228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > > "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > > news:%23a4qaVV$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> Ah! - Progress! > >> > >> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- > >> > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the > >> > motherboard) are in place and tight. > >> > >> As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's > >> no > >> way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is > >> 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become > >> 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very > >> much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. > >> > >> Now to :- > >> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following > >> > messages; > >> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. > >> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' > >> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected > >> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM > >> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE > >> > >> This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not > > see > >> the CD-ROM drive. > >> > >> But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area > >> in > >> RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup > > disk > >> utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities > >> to > >> operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: > >> drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. > >> > >> In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have > >> advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not > >> D: > >> as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) > >> > >> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a > >> burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very > >> much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. > >> Not > > a > >> particularly difficult DIY task. > > > > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back > > running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't > > remove > > the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is > > important that one does so in order to avoid complications. > > Can you verify? > > > > Harry. > > > >> > >> Good luck > >> > >> Mart > >> > >> > >> > >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com... > >> > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the > >> > hairpin technique? > >> > > >> > yes, by checking the 2nd time. > >> > > >> >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? > >> > > >> > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the > > directory > >> > of > >> > some system files. > >> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following > >> > messages; > >> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. > >> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001' > >> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected > >> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM > >> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE > >> > > >> >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you > > re-install > >> >> WinMe!! > >> > > >> > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Mart" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? > >> >> > >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > >> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before > > the > >> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > >> >> > >> >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. > >> >> > >> >> Please clarify further :- > >> >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and > > with > >> >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open > >> >> with > >> >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? > >> >> > >> >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that > >> >> issue > >> >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM > >> >> > >> >> However, please also clarify :- > >> >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully > >> >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can > > see > >> >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? > >> >> > >> >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you > > re-install > >> >> WinMe!! > >> >> > >> >> Mart > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com... > >> >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. > >> >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous. > >> >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me > >> >> > install > >> >> > win > >> >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created > >> >> > version > >> >> > soup. > >> >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of > >> >> > reinstalling > >> >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some > > errors > >> >> > on > >> >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing > > like > >> >> > what > >> >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. > >> >> > > >> >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution > >> >> > with me as an operator may not be true > >> >> > > >> >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing > >> >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box > >> >> > > >> >> >>need to create a boot disk? > >> >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't > >> >> > going > >> >> > to > >> >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. > >> >> > > >> >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > >> >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers. > >> >> > > >> >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?, > >> >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys > >> >> > restore > >> >> > to > >> >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should > > have > >> >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the > >> >> > patch > >> >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys > >> >> > restore > >> >> > worked. > >> >> > > >> >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM > >> >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has > > the > >> >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read > > only > >> >> > after > >> >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a > >> >> > periphal > >> >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system > >> >> > > >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? > >> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before > > the > >> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique. > >> >> > > >> >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when > >> >> >>you > >> >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode) > >> >> > OK, i understand. > >> >> > > >> >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) > >> >> >>WinMe > >> >> >> installation. > >> >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Mart" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean > >> >> >> install > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It > > would > >> >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your > > WinMe > >> >> >> installation. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread > > ring > >> >> >> little alarm bells. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in > >> >> >> itself > >> >> >> is > >> >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. > >> >> >> This > >> >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to > >> >> >> create > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if > > you > >> >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then > > what > >> >> >> were > >> >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and > >> >> >> latest > >> >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just > >> >> >> didn't > >> >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So > > please > >> >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article > >> >> >> fixes > >> >> >> which > >> >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become > >> >> >> damaged - > >> >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I > >> >> >> start > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> agree with Corday's solution. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re: > >> >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you > >> >> >> expect > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not > > even > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> and then :- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr > >> >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then > > it > >> >> >> won't > >> >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted > > (into > >> >> >> Normal Mode) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system > >> >> >> files) > >> >> >> WinMe > >> >> >> installation. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Mart > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You > > might > >> >> >> > try > >> >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME > >> >> >> > reinstall > >> >> >> > might be inorder. > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "bagger" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 1. > >> >> >> >> didn't work. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful, > >> >> >> >> this worked, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom > >> >> >> >> does > >> >> >> >> not > >> >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. > >> >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to > > read > >> >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> picture > >> >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my > >> >> >> >> external > >> >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) > >> >> >> >> also > >> >> >> >> when > >> >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> Dell > >> >> >> >> logo & > >> >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys > >> >> >> >> restore > >> >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but > >> >> >> >> lost > >> >> >> >> all > >> >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on > > the > >> >> >> >> system > >> >> >> >> per kb articles. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't > >> >> >> >> > loaded > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > Safe > >> >> >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows > >> >> >> >> > Explorer > >> >> >> >> > etc., it > >> >> >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' > >> >> >> >> > from > >> >> >> >> > previous > >> >> >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :- > >> >> >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and > >> >> >> >> > controllers) > >> >> >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install > >> >> >> >> > it/them. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. > >> >> >> >> > Therefore > >> >> >> >> > Boot > >> >> >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support > >> >> >> >> > option. > >> >> >> >> > If all > >> >> >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to > >> >> >> >> > your > >> >> >> >> > CD-ROM > >> >> >> >> > (e.g. D:) and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close the > >> >> >> >> > Help > >> >> >> >> > Page) try > >> >> >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter > >> >> >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > If so, then that's a good start. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be > >> >> >> >> > working > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the > >> >> >> >> > thread, > > I > >> >> >> >> > just > >> >> >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". > >> >> >> >> > Let > >> >> >> >> > us > >> >> >> >> > know > >> >> >> >> > how > >> >> >> >> > you get on. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Mart > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com... > >> >> >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in > >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> > > device > >> >> >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). > >> >> >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in > > the > >> >> >> >> > > bios > >> >> >> >> > > version > >> >> >> >> > > line. > >> >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. > >> >> >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, > > however > >> >> >> >> > > lost > >> >> >> >> > > all > >> >> >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable. > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > "Corday" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. > >> >> >> >> > >> Corday > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first > >> >> >> >> > >> > thought. > >> >> >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the > > system > >> >> >> >> > >> > locked > >> >> >> >> > >> > up. > >> >> >> >> > >> > the > >> >> >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it > > in > >> >> >> >> > >> > the > >> >> >> >> > >> > device > >> >> >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, > >> >> >> >> > >> > defrag > >> >> >> >> > >> > all OK. > >> >> >> >> > >> > Did a > >> >> >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys > >> >> >> >> > >> > restore, > >> >> >> >> > >> > was > >> >> >> >> > >> > not > >> >> >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to > >> >> >> >> > >> > boot > >> >> >> >> > >> > but > >> >> >> >> > >> > does. > >> >> >> >> > >> > printer, > >> >> >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > >
Guest Mike M Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote: > D'oh! - I Pressed Send before looking! > > But you (and Harry weren't there a few minutes ago. Thanks Mike. Well I shouldn't have butted in Mart. Sorry about that. Mike
Guest Mart Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Hey Mike, nowt to be sorry for. Heck, its good to know that I'm not (always) talking thru' my b******e. Can't beat a bit of back-up <g> BTW - any progress with freesat? Olympics certainly look better in HD. Mart "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:%23tfKoWZ$IHA.792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote: > >> D'oh! - I Pressed Send before looking! >> >> But you (and Harry weren't there a few minutes ago. Thanks Mike. > > Well I shouldn't have butted in Mart. Sorry about that. > > Mike
Guest Mike M Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 Re: Start up disk-me ie sp1 Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote: > Hey Mike, nowt to be sorry for. Heck, its good to know that I'm not > (always) talking thru' my b******e. Can't beat a bit of back-up <g> > > BTW - any progress with freesat? Olympics certainly look better in > HD. Olympics? Is that something I should be watching? <g> My TV has been on holiday since last Thursday and won't be returning until the end of the month! Freesat. No progress as yet. In part due to laziness and part due to having spent most of my unallocated cash for the next couple of months. Anyone want a well-used PC? My old #3 PC (AMD XP something or other) died and elder daughter got a bit worked up when I said I wasn't going to replace it (she used it for graphics work when she is here) and that she should instead use a laptop. Got me thinking that my newest PC was now quite old. Bad thing. In due course this box (AMD64 3200+ 2GB) is going to take the place of the dead PC which is now completely rebuilt and being tested with various OSs. I've currently got it running Vista Ultimate x64 SP1. Quite nippy now! Am hoping that having moved to an Intel Core 2 Duo I'll be able to use my Hauppauge Nova T500 dual digital tuner card which I haven't been using for a while due to it blue screening when run on AMD64s with nForce chipsets. If that all works out then freesat is on hold for a bit. -- Mike
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