IE6 is NOT working, why?

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Apologies ahead of time, but I need help on what should be a simple

problem.

 

I have four machines: 2 Win98 and 2 WinXP. All works to connect to my

ISP, but the IE6 on one of the WinXP's, but then suddenly worked for

one session, then quit again.

 

It dials, makes connection, confirms me to my ISP, announces that the

connection is made with a little balloon, but then stops and will not

download the welcome page? The IE6 promptly sequences through

everything until it's time to get the page, then...nothing, no data

transfer, just an hour glass. I can't even activate the View Source.

Have to stop IE, but then the 'can't show this page' screen is the

same as view source.

 

IE6 just stops when it comes time to get the page. No data transfer,

nothing. Doesn't matter if it's my ISP, google, or any page.

 

=-=-=

Gary Terhune suggested:

***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:

1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults

button.

Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can

fiddle

with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted

Zone.

Reset to defaults.

 

2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:

ipconfig /flushdns

 

3. Set up a Clean Boot by running MSCONFIG, choosing Selective

Startup, then

uncheck the Load Startup Items, then go to the Services tab, put a

check in

"Hide all Microsoft Services", then click Disable All. Click OK,

reboot when

prompted, check to make sure that your antivirus didn't automatically

restart itself (Avast will do that), then test at Microsoft.com. If

you're

sure it's working OK, now, then run MSINFO32, look under Software,

then

Startup Programs, click anywhere in the right-hand pane, press Ctrl-A,

then

Ctrl-C, then use Ctrl-V to Paste the info into a reply. Stop any

further

testing of suggestions and reestablish a Normal boot in MSCONFIG.

 

4. Not sure about this one, because I've never used a modem with XP.

In the

Modem's properties, I would hope that there is somewhere to manually

enter

DNS settings. Probably in the modem's Properties, then TCP/IP

protocol's

Properties. Try using OpenDNS.com for both Primary and Secondary DNS

servers.

=-=-=

 

I tried the first two:

> ***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:

> 1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults button.

> Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can fiddle

> with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted Zone.

> Reset to defaults.

 

Did this, reset all items [i think] and unchecked Automatic Update.

Plus found that there are now NO Add-ons, none at all. But, IE6 still

didn't work.

> 2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:

> ipconfig /flushdns

 

WOW! this did NOT do anything!

 

I dialed up, got connected and then opened a command window typed the

line and cr...nothing, just sat there for minutes!

 

Is that right? Should it be that slow? Hitting cr again did nothing,

had to close window. At first thought 'hour-glass' and IE6 waiting

was the problem, so stopped IE6, not close, [while connected] and

tried again. Still /flushdns did nothing? Had to close again.

 

As a test, opened cmd window and typed ipconfig and got a litany of

stuff about my ISP.

 

IS it significant that /flushdns did nothing?

 

Either way, IE6 still does not open a page at any website.

 

I'll go do point 3 later

 

> Gary Terhune also asked:

> What ISP do you use? Do you set up your DUN connection manually or did you

> install some program from the ISP to do it? Is it even using Windows DUN, or

> is it using its own dialer?

 

I use http://www.california.com I think I set up manually.

 

I ignored my ISP's list of things to do, because many times [more than

20 times of clean installs] I successfully have gotten IE6 on Win98

and the other WinXP running by simply connecting to ISP, just manually

set up the phone number and let it go, worked fine.

 

Robert

[Guest Dan]

RE: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Disconnect machines from Internet first and reset all computers first and

then follow my steps. Try to post back with a clean machine if you can use

one --- friend's house or library or somewhere else.

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Here's the rest of the long, long story:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/a9e6c7309e768ac2

 

Robert, you're not doing yourself any favors by multi-posting in various

newsgroups about this IE6/WinXP problem, especially doing so in a

Win98-specific newsgroup.

--

~PA Bear

 

 

Robert A. Macy wrote:

> Apologies ahead of time, but I need help on what should be a simple

> problem.

>

> I have four machines: 2 Win98 and 2 WinXP. All works to connect to my

> ISP, but the IE6 on one of the WinXP's, but then suddenly worked for

> one session, then quit again.

>

> It dials, makes connection, confirms me to my ISP, announces that the

> connection is made with a little balloon, but then stops and will not

> download the welcome page? The IE6 promptly sequences through

> everything until it's time to get the page, then...nothing, no data

> transfer, just an hour glass. I can't even activate the View Source.

> Have to stop IE, but then the 'can't show this page' screen is the

> same as view source.

>

> IE6 just stops when it comes time to get the page. No data transfer,

> nothing. Doesn't matter if it's my ISP, google, or any page.

>

> =-=-=

> Gary Terhune suggested:

> ***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:

> 1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults

> button.

> Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can

> fiddle

> with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted

> Zone.

> Reset to defaults.

>

> 2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:

> ipconfig /flushdns

>

> 3. Set up a Clean Boot by running MSCONFIG, choosing Selective

> Startup, then

> uncheck the Load Startup Items, then go to the Services tab, put a

> check in

> "Hide all Microsoft Services", then click Disable All. Click OK,

> reboot when

> prompted, check to make sure that your antivirus didn't automatically

> restart itself (Avast will do that), then test at Microsoft.com. If

> you're

> sure it's working OK, now, then run MSINFO32, look under Software,

> then

> Startup Programs, click anywhere in the right-hand pane, press Ctrl-A,

> then

> Ctrl-C, then use Ctrl-V to Paste the info into a reply. Stop any

> further

> testing of suggestions and reestablish a Normal boot in MSCONFIG.

>

> 4. Not sure about this one, because I've never used a modem with XP.

> In the

> Modem's properties, I would hope that there is somewhere to manually

> enter

> DNS settings. Probably in the modem's Properties, then TCP/IP

> protocol's

> Properties. Try using OpenDNS.com for both Primary and Secondary DNS

> servers.

> =-=-=

>

> I tried the first two:

>

>> ***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:

>> 1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults button.

>> Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can

>> fiddle

>> with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted

>> Zone. Reset to defaults.

>

> Did this, reset all items [i think] and unchecked Automatic Update.

> Plus found that there are now NO Add-ons, none at all. But, IE6 still

> didn't work.

>

>> 2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:

>> ipconfig /flushdns

>

> WOW! this did NOT do anything!

>

> I dialed up, got connected and then opened a command window typed the

> line and cr...nothing, just sat there for minutes!

>

> Is that right? Should it be that slow? Hitting cr again did nothing,

> had to close window. At first thought 'hour-glass' and IE6 waiting

> was the problem, so stopped IE6, not close, [while connected] and

> tried again. Still /flushdns did nothing? Had to close again.

>

> As a test, opened cmd window and typed ipconfig and got a litany of

> stuff about my ISP.

>

> IS it significant that /flushdns did nothing?

>

> Either way, IE6 still does not open a page at any website.

>

> I'll go do point 3 later

>

>

>> Gary Terhune also asked:

>> What ISP do you use? Do you set up your DUN connection manually or did

>> you

>> install some program from the ISP to do it? Is it even using Windows DUN,

>> or is it using its own dialer?

>

> I use http://www.california.com I think I set up manually.

>

> I ignored my ISP's list of things to do, because many times [more than

> 20 times of clean installs] I successfully have gotten IE6 on Win98

> and the other WinXP running by simply connecting to ISP, just manually

> set up the phone number and let it go, worked fine.

>

> Robert

[Guest Dan]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Thanks for letting me know the whole story, Robear.

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

On Aug 8, 8:40 pm, Dan <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Thanks for letting me know the whole story, Robear.

 

I thought mult posting meant IDENTICAL posts to multiple groups.

 

I did not do that. I first posted my questions in what seemed like

the appropriate group, the Internet Explorer Group. Instead of

concentrating on solving my problem, I got lectured and lectured about

antivirus software, ending with 'I can't help you further' or such.

After not getting help and being told no further help was forth

coming, I started asking in the one group that has really helped me,

this one.

 

I did NOT multi-post the same question. I stopped in one group in

frustration and moved to this group, and members in this group have

had the courtesy and the decency to truly share expertise and offer

help. [which was so rich in activity that I am still trying to

accomplish all the tasks requested of me.

 

And I did start with apologies for being off topic. I still apologize

for being off topic. But I do not apologize for seeking help.

 

Robert

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Repost:

With all due respect, once you've take care of everything on this page...

 

http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html

 

....I'll attempt to assist your further, Robert, in IE General newsgroup.

 

=> Make sure the Windows Firewall or a third-party firewall is enabled.

 

=> Make sure that the machine is fully patched at Windows Update.

 

=> Get a functional anti-virus application installed.

 

Your anti-virus application should be configured to seek and install

updates automatically and daily at a time when the machine is usually

running and connected to the internet. It should also be configured to run

a full system scan a few minutes after seeking/installing updates, also

daily. Anything less is simply insufficient these days.

===========================

 

Unexplained computer behavior may be caused by deceptive software

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827315

 

Run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting your hijackthis log

to an appropriate forum.

 

Checking for/Help with Hijackware

http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm

http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm

http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=5878

http://wiki.castlecops.com/Malware_Removal_and_Prevention:_Introduction

http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm

http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/prevention.htm

http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html

http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm

http://defendingyourmachine2.blogspot.com/

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware

 

When all else fails, HijackThis v2.0.2

(http://aumha.org/downloads/hijackthis.exe) is the preferred tool to use (in

conjuction with some other utilities). HijackThis will NOT fix anything on

its own, but it will help you to both identify and remove any

hijackware/spyware with assistance from an expert. **Post your log to

http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30,

http://forums.spybot.info/forumdisplay.php?f=22,

http://castlecops.com/forum67.html, or other appropriate forums for review

by an expert in such matters, not here.**

 

If the procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting this

isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and

independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.

--

~PA Bear

 

Robert A. Macy wrote:

> On Aug 8, 8:40 pm, Dan <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> Thanks for letting me know the whole story, Robear.

>

> I thought mult posting meant IDENTICAL posts to multiple groups.

>

> I did not do that. I first posted my questions in what seemed like

> the appropriate group, the Internet Explorer Group. Instead of

> concentrating on solving my problem, I got lectured and lectured about

> antivirus software, ending with 'I can't help you further' or such.

> After not getting help and being told no further help was forth

> coming, I started asking in the one group that has really helped me,

> this one.

>

> I did NOT multi-post the same question. I stopped in one group in

> frustration and moved to this group, and members in this group have

> had the courtesy and the decency to truly share expertise and offer

> help. [which was so rich in activity that I am still trying to

> accomplish all the tasks requested of me.

>

> And I did start with apologies for being off topic. I still apologize

> for being off topic. But I do not apologize for seeking help.

>

> Robert

[Guest Dan]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Robert, please trust and be thankful to Robear. I can not think of one time

he has ever been rude to me and I greatly respect him as one of my favorite

MVP's along with Chris Quirke, Jeff Richards, Tim Slatterly (sorry if I

misspelled your name), Alan Edwards, etc. They are too numerous to name.

 

Gary S. Terhune is also awesome but we are on non speaking terms because I

messed with his head (sorry it was completely 100% my fault) when my thyroid

levels were off.

 

(Off Topic Below -- Disregard if you are not interested and that is fine by

me)

 

I have since had surgery and the right side of my thyroid has been removed

because it literally had holes in it according to my surgeon Mike who

operated on me. This was because of radiation I had for cancer (Hodgkin's

Disease) back in 1990 but it just held out so long and suddenly fully

collapsed after sort of crashing before.

 

Apparently, thyroid disease mirrors full mental disorders because of the

power of this hormone. I now take thyroid medicine and it is a pain because

I get too hyper and stimulated when the level is too high and down and

depressed with crying for no reason when the level is too low. My level I

can tell right now is too high so I must speak with my endochronologist about

getting a lower dose of thyroid medicine for daily use. Eventually,

hopefully science will get my thyroid levels back to fully normal.

 

The 4 treatment of chemotherapy finally cured me and that date is set

forever in my heart of July 3, 1992 when Dan was cured of Hodgkin's Disease.

Sorry for hijacking this thread and I just wanted the truth to be now

publically out there for all to see for whatever little worth it may be to

anyone.

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Is ok to 'hijack this thread'

 

What you have gone through and the result of the uneveness resulting

is one of the best reasons for never flaming anyone on th 'net.

 

Thank you for sharing. Perhaps, your description of the symptom of

thyroidal disruption will prove valuable to a lurker and save them

much personal hardship.

 

I know, for me, you make me thankful for being blessed to not have

gone through anything like this.

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:9e918f11-24e3-48c7-b991-6bb01d26914a@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

> Is ok to 'hijack this thread'

>

> What you have gone through and the result of the uneveness resulting

> is one of the best reasons for never flaming anyone on th 'net.

>

> Thank you for sharing. Perhaps, your description of the symptom of

> thyroidal disruption will prove valuable to a lurker and save them

> much personal hardship.

>

> I know, for me, you make me thankful for being blessed to not have

> gone through anything like this.

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post, nobody

has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots of

idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A

lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

 

Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no

reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:9e918f11-24e3-48c7-b991-6bb01d26914a@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

> Is ok to 'hijack this thread'

>

> What you have gone through and the result of the uneveness resulting

> is one of the best reasons for never flaming anyone on th 'net.

>

> Thank you for sharing. Perhaps, your description of the symptom of

> thyroidal disruption will prove valuable to a lurker and save them

> much personal hardship.

>

> I know, for me, you make me thankful for being blessed to not have

> gone through anything like this.

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post, nobody

> has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots of

> idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A

> lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

>

> Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no

> reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

 

Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology

specifically addressed to you [i think], and a detailed explanation

[did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for

his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

 

 

So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this

last system...

 

I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup

modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither

seem exactly correct for this WinXP

 

the modem is

Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)

1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

 

containing Conexant chip:

RH56D-PCI

R6795-12

F21204.6

0008

 

I'll keep looking.

 

I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the

thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped

working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a

session' that is confusing to me.

 

But, as you said, step by step.

 

It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But

I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does

not show up.

 

From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything

almost worked only to find that

1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]

2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started

manually before installing the Network connection.

 

After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager

manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.

Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

 

In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the

ipconfig /flushdns

hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

 

After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information

to share, and probably ask again.

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy, regardless

of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious case

of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He

belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also seen

indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And about

his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms, here.)

 

I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from this

distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be

institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of

them, I know.

 

And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP to

something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation" marks

to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and

while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it unless

there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep hyperlinks

from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I was

finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the

disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the lack

of distinction between one person's text and another's.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:6d37e888-ae2b-4277-a715-1f7d4fb53f6b@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,

> nobody

> has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots

> of

> idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A

> lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

>

> Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no

> reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

 

Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology

specifically addressed to you [i think], and a detailed explanation

[did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for

his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

 

So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this

last system...

 

I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup

modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither

seem exactly correct for this WinXP

 

the modem is

Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)

1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

 

containing Conexant chip:

RH56D-PCI

R6795-12

F21204.6

0008

 

I'll keep looking.

 

I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the

thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped

working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a

session' that is confusing to me.

 

But, as you said, step by step.

 

It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But

I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does

not show up.

 

From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything

almost worked only to find that

1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]

2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started

manually before installing the Network connection.

 

After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager

manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.

Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

 

In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the

ipconfig /flushdns

hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

 

After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information

to share, and probably ask again.

 

Robert

[Guest Dan]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

<responses left below and only removed previously to shorten posts and lesson

confusion at least to me>

 

You will always be in my thoughts and prayers even if you cannot read this

Gary S. Terhune.

 

BTW, I was diagnosed with a learning disability at age 6 and so have never

been completely normal and never will be and I have learned to thank God for

the challenges that the Creator God has given me and can now rise to the

occasion to get my house in order and try and always build up others where I

can. This is what is lacking in the States (the U.S.A.) is that we keep

trying to fix other people's problems when we are having lots of problems

that are not getting fully dealt with like in the case of Hurricane Katrina

and its aftermath.

 

Thyroid Disease is not fun and I would not wish or hope for my worst enemy

to ever have it and I would say it is up there with brain cancer and or Al

timer's Disease because it jacks with all of your systems and does indeed

make you completely crazy as I was in the past.

 

Remember the radiation treatment which was delivered by x-rays was in 1990

and mainly on the right side of the thyroid which was removed by Mike, the

surgeon in New Mexico but it is fine with me if no one believes me anymore

because I can hardly believe it myself. In addition, I now freely admit to

having lied and posted using Art's Computer in Tucson, Arizona because I have

dealt with my Fear of being afraid of man and woman more but I will continue

to deal with this great fear for the rest of my life.

 

I can only hope and pray that God will continue to strengthen me for the

future. I do not judge anyone for not believing in my Christian God but all

I ask is that you have Faith in something greater than yourselves so you will

not fall into pride and whether it be another great being or even an alien

then at least it can give you the hope to live day by day.

 

I am in my 30's and living day by day and finally starting to really enjoy

life and knowing that people that I know on-line are only on-line like Brad

Paisley says in his song that he can be anyone on-line and so I sinned and

know now I was wrong and humbly repent and hope that at least some of you can

have mercy upon me but even if not I know that my God finds this wretched and

broken body and mind and soul and spirit acceptable to Him and only if He

would let me meet Him quickly but for some reason God has decided to keep

little old Dan around not that it matters much but that is all to say and so

take care all of you and stay safe out there boys and girls.

 

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy, regardless

> of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious case

> of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He

> belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also seen

> indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And about

> his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms, here.)

>

> I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from this

> distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be

> institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of

> them, I know.

>

> And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP to

> something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation" marks

> to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and

> while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it unless

> there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep hyperlinks

> from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I was

> finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the

> disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the lack

> of distinction between one person's text and another's.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

> news:6d37e888-ae2b-4277-a715-1f7d4fb53f6b@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

> On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> > When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,

> > nobody

> > has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots

> > of

> > idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A

> > lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

> >

> > Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no

> > reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

>

> Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology

> specifically addressed to you [i think], and a detailed explanation

> [did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for

> his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

>

> So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this

> last system...

>

> I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup

> modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither

> seem exactly correct for this WinXP

>

> the modem is

> Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)

> 1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

>

> containing Conexant chip:

> RH56D-PCI

> R6795-12

> F21204.6

> 0008

>

> I'll keep looking.

>

> I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the

> thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped

> working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a

> session' that is confusing to me.

>

> But, as you said, step by step.

>

> It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But

> I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does

> not show up.

>

> From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything

> almost worked only to find that

> 1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]

> 2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started

> manually before installing the Network connection.

>

> After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager

> manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.

> Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

>

> In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the

> ipconfig /flushdns

> hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

>

> After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information

> to share, and probably ask again.

>

> Robert

>

>

>

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

 

 

Gary, again and as usual THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!

 

I just slogged through an unknown sequence of uninstall modem, install

modem, copy all settings of IE6 over to the other IE6 and voila!

 

It worked!, well after a fashion. Took something like 20 minutes

before the hello page loaded, but once loaded, I could navigate around

the internet using this machine and this IE6

 

You were probably right about not relating at all to the IE6, but

something else, still unknown.

 

Might relate to the issue that this WinXP takes something like 10

minutes to complete its boot up sequence. Ridiculous amount of bloated

code. But I'll take this over to the WinXP group and see what they

say, probably buy another system.

 

Gary et all, thank you for the help. I wish I could give you the

'exact' fix, but not sure is fixed, may still be the same, but

patience allowed the IE6 to complete so I could get out onto the net.

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there. Leave

me outta this.

 

If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything

that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of

responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do you

have, anyway?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:5517e034-23bf-4300-a81c-8eafd98209dd@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

 

 

Gary, again and as usual THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!

 

I just slogged through an unknown sequence of uninstall modem, install

modem, copy all settings of IE6 over to the other IE6 and voila!

 

It worked!, well after a fashion. Took something like 20 minutes

before the hello page loaded, but once loaded, I could navigate around

the internet using this machine and this IE6

 

You were probably right about not relating at all to the IE6, but

something else, still unknown.

 

Might relate to the issue that this WinXP takes something like 10

minutes to complete its boot up sequence. Ridiculous amount of bloated

code. But I'll take this over to the WinXP group and see what they

say, probably buy another system.

 

Gary et all, thank you for the help. I wish I could give you the

'exact' fix, but not sure is fixed, may still be the same, but

patience allowed the IE6 to complete so I could get out onto the net.

 

Robert

[Guest ~BD~]

Personal message for Dan

 

Personal message for Dan

 

Dan - Hi!

 

Gary thinks *I'm* an idiot too! <wink!>

 

Please pop over to http://www.pqlr.org/bbs and join me and fellow outcasts, mostly

Christians too. :)

 

Dave

 

--

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:9EA9D509-0E03-4DA6-92F9-C3A0716E8EF2@microsoft.com...

> <responses left below and only removed previously to shorten posts and

> lesson

> confusion at least to me>

>

> You will always be in my thoughts and prayers even if you cannot read this

> Gary S. Terhune.

>

> BTW, I was diagnosed with a learning disability at age 6 and so have never

> been completely normal and never will be and I have learned to thank God

> for

> the challenges that the Creator God has given me and can now rise to the

> occasion to get my house in order and try and always build up others where

> I

> can. This is what is lacking in the States (the U.S.A.) is that we keep

> trying to fix other people's problems when we are having lots of problems

> that are not getting fully dealt with like in the case of Hurricane

> Katrina

> and its aftermath.

>

> Thyroid Disease is not fun and I would not wish or hope for my worst enemy

> to ever have it and I would say it is up there with brain cancer and or Al

> timer's Disease because it jacks with all of your systems and does indeed

> make you completely crazy as I was in the past.

>

> Remember the radiation treatment which was delivered by x-rays was in 1990

> and mainly on the right side of the thyroid which was removed by Mike, the

> surgeon in New Mexico but it is fine with me if no one believes me anymore

> because I can hardly believe it myself. In addition, I now freely admit

> to

> having lied and posted using Art's Computer in Tucson, Arizona because I

> have

> dealt with my Fear of being afraid of man and woman more but I will

> continue

> to deal with this great fear for the rest of my life.

>

> I can only hope and pray that God will continue to strengthen me for the

> future. I do not judge anyone for not believing in my Christian God but

> all

> I ask is that you have Faith in something greater than yourselves so you

> will

> not fall into pride and whether it be another great being or even an alien

> then at least it can give you the hope to live day by day.

>

> I am in my 30's and living day by day and finally starting to really enjoy

> life and knowing that people that I know on-line are only on-line like

> Brad

> Paisley says in his song that he can be anyone on-line and so I sinned and

> know now I was wrong and humbly repent and hope that at least some of you

> can

> have mercy upon me but even if not I know that my God finds this wretched

> and

> broken body and mind and soul and spirit acceptable to Him and only if He

> would let me meet Him quickly but for some reason God has decided to keep

> little old Dan around not that it matters much but that is all to say and

> so

> take care all of you and stay safe out there boys and girls.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy,

>> regardless

>> of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious

>> case

>> of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He

>> belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also seen

>> indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And

>> about

>> his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms, here.)

>>

>> I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from this

>> distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be

>> institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of

>> them, I know.

>>

>> And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP to

>> something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation"

>> marks

>> to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and

>> while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it unless

>> there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep

>> hyperlinks

>> from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I

>> was

>> finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the

>> disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the

>> lack

>> of distinction between one person's text and another's.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

>> news:6d37e888-ae2b-4277-a715-1f7d4fb53f6b@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>> On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> > When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,

>> > nobody

>> > has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case,

>> > lots

>> > of

>> > idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan.

>> > A

>> > lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

>> >

>> > Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for

>> > no

>> > reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

>>

>> Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology

>> specifically addressed to you [i think], and a detailed explanation

>> [did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for

>> his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

>>

>> So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this

>> last system...

>>

>> I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup

>> modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither

>> seem exactly correct for this WinXP

>>

>> the modem is

>> Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)

>> 1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

>>

>> containing Conexant chip:

>> RH56D-PCI

>> R6795-12

>> F21204.6

>> 0008

>>

>> I'll keep looking.

>>

>> I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the

>> thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped

>> working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a

>> session' that is confusing to me.

>>

>> But, as you said, step by step.

>>

>> It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But

>> I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does

>> not show up.

>>

>> From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything

>> almost worked only to find that

>> 1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]

>> 2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started

>> manually before installing the Network connection.

>>

>> After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager

>> manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.

>> Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

>>

>> In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the

>> ipconfig /flushdns

>> hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

>>

>> After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information

>> to share, and probably ask again.

>>

>> Robert

>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there. Leave

> me outta this.

 

Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even

know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of

useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It

seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain

there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was

installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like

that.

> If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything

> that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of

> responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do you

> have, anyway?

 

Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my

question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.

 

Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the

net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.

My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort

[including not being available off and on for long periodsof time] for

them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the

two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20

seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,

this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.

 

However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this

WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Robert

[Guest Dan]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

DNS Pollution Sighted and Thanks Robert A. Macy for your reply.

 

Please see us-cert.gov for further details on this and yes Gary S. Terhune

is a great teacher. I am only saddened that my health issues caused me to

take out my rage and frustration on this newsgroup and post things that I did

indeed lie about in the past like when I posted as Art Wilder because I was

fearful of people and did not fear God as I should have.

 

Your experience has proved invaluable to me and my research. Thank you

Robert A. Macy for sharing your frustrations and problems. You are welcome

to post in 98 general anytime in my opinion for what little worth it is to

many.

 

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113

 

Prepare, yourself and this is deep stuff with Dan K.'s research and has

mobilized the entire globe to fight the evil that is out there.

 

http://www.doxpara.com/ (check to see if your isp is vulnerable -- btw,

which isp do you use --- I use Comcast Cable and they have patched the

vulnerability on their side already -- they were one of the first according

to the Department of Homeland Security us-cert.gov website)

 

If you want to read more about DNS Pollution and other threats -- here are

some web-links --- note poster not responsible if post hacked and someone

changes websites so surf at your own risk and use proper web surfing methods

--- eg. reading in plain text, blocking remote code, blocking 3rd party

cookies, etc.

 

https://www.defcon.org/html/links/dtangent.html

 

http://www.emergingthreats.net/content/view/87/1/

 

http://isc.sans.org/

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/25/isps_slow_to_patch/

 

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1197409593155.shtm

 

"Robert A. Macy" wrote:

> On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> > Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there. Leave

> > me outta this.

>

> Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even

> know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of

> useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It

> seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain

> there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was

> installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like

> that.

>

> > If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything

> > that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of

> > responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do you

> > have, anyway?

>

> Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my

> question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.

>

> Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the

> net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.

> My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort

> [including not being available off and on for long periodsof time] for

> them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the

> two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20

> seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,

> this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.

>

> However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this

> WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.

>

> Thanks for the help.

>

> Robert

>

[Guest ~BD~]

Re: Personal message for Dan

 

Re: Personal message for Dan

 

Hi Dan :)

 

In case of doubt, I was being serious. I PM'd the administrator of our group

(Jenn) and she has replied as follows:-

 

"sure he can join, but I'd need to know the username he'd be using. I've

been blocking a bot that auto joins by blocking the nicknames it uses...

sooo .. if I know what Dan's nickname is going to be I can make sure I don't

block that combination of letters and allow him to join".

 

It's a very small group - and I'm sure that you will be made most welcome.

 

Will you join us ............ please? <smile> If you do, what nickname

will be used? I'll pass on the message.

 

It cost nothing but time to take a looksee anyway!

 

Dave

 

--

 

 

"~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:%23gvt9gQAJHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Dan - Hi!

>

> Gary thinks *I'm* an idiot too! <wink!>

>

> Please pop over to http://www.pqlr.org/bbs and join me and fellow outcasts,

> mostly Christians too. :)

>

> Dave

>

> --

>

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:9EA9D509-0E03-4DA6-92F9-C3A0716E8EF2@microsoft.com...

>> <responses left below and only removed previously to shorten posts and

>> lesson

>> confusion at least to me>

>>

>> You will always be in my thoughts and prayers even if you cannot read

>> this

>> Gary S. Terhune.

>>

>> BTW, I was diagnosed with a learning disability at age 6 and so have

>> never

>> been completely normal and never will be and I have learned to thank God

>> for

>> the challenges that the Creator God has given me and can now rise to the

>> occasion to get my house in order and try and always build up others

>> where I

>> can. This is what is lacking in the States (the U.S.A.) is that we

>> keep

>> trying to fix other people's problems when we are having lots of problems

>> that are not getting fully dealt with like in the case of Hurricane

>> Katrina

>> and its aftermath.

>>

>> Thyroid Disease is not fun and I would not wish or hope for my worst

>> enemy

>> to ever have it and I would say it is up there with brain cancer and or

>> Al

>> timer's Disease because it jacks with all of your systems and does indeed

>> make you completely crazy as I was in the past.

>>

>> Remember the radiation treatment which was delivered by x-rays was in

>> 1990

>> and mainly on the right side of the thyroid which was removed by Mike,

>> the

>> surgeon in New Mexico but it is fine with me if no one believes me

>> anymore

>> because I can hardly believe it myself. In addition, I now freely admit

>> to

>> having lied and posted using Art's Computer in Tucson, Arizona because I

>> have

>> dealt with my Fear of being afraid of man and woman more but I will

>> continue

>> to deal with this great fear for the rest of my life.

>>

>> I can only hope and pray that God will continue to strengthen me for the

>> future. I do not judge anyone for not believing in my Christian God but

>> all

>> I ask is that you have Faith in something greater than yourselves so you

>> will

>> not fall into pride and whether it be another great being or even an

>> alien

>> then at least it can give you the hope to live day by day.

>>

>> I am in my 30's and living day by day and finally starting to really

>> enjoy

>> life and knowing that people that I know on-line are only on-line like

>> Brad

>> Paisley says in his song that he can be anyone on-line and so I sinned

>> and

>> know now I was wrong and humbly repent and hope that at least some of you

>> can

>> have mercy upon me but even if not I know that my God finds this wretched

>> and

>> broken body and mind and soul and spirit acceptable to Him and only if He

>> would let me meet Him quickly but for some reason God has decided to keep

>> little old Dan around not that it matters much but that is all to say and

>> so

>> take care all of you and stay safe out there boys and girls.

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>>

>>> Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy,

>>> regardless

>>> of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious

>>> case

>>> of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He

>>> belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also

>>> seen

>>> indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And

>>> about

>>> his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms,

>>> here.)

>>>

>>> I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from this

>>> distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be

>>> institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of

>>> them, I know.

>>>

>>> And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP to

>>> something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation"

>>> marks

>>> to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and

>>> while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it

>>> unless

>>> there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep

>>> hyperlinks

>>> from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I

>>> was

>>> finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the

>>> disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the

>>> lack

>>> of distinction between one person's text and another's.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

>>> news:6d37e888-ae2b-4277-a715-1f7d4fb53f6b@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>> On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>> > When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,

>>> > nobody

>>> > has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case,

>>> > lots

>>> > of

>>> > idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called

>>> > Dan. A

>>> > lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

>>> >

>>> > Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped

>>> > for no

>>> > reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

>>>

>>> Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology

>>> specifically addressed to you [i think], and a detailed explanation

>>> [did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for

>>> his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

>>>

>>> So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this

>>> last system...

>>>

>>> I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup

>>> modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither

>>> seem exactly correct for this WinXP

>>>

>>> the modem is

>>> Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)

>>> 1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

>>>

>>> containing Conexant chip:

>>> RH56D-PCI

>>> R6795-12

>>> F21204.6

>>> 0008

>>>

>>> I'll keep looking.

>>>

>>> I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the

>>> thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped

>>> working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a

>>> session' that is confusing to me.

>>>

>>> But, as you said, step by step.

>>>

>>> It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But

>>> I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does

>>> not show up.

>>>

>>> From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything

>>> almost worked only to find that

>>> 1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]

>>> 2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started

>>> manually before installing the Network connection.

>>>

>>> After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager

>>> manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.

>>> Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

>>>

>>> In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the

>>> ipconfig /flushdns

>>> hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

>>>

>>> After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information

>>> to share, and probably ask again.

>>>

>>> Robert

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to

remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with

networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right

drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

 

But then, it's been so long since I dealt with dial-up on XP I totally

forget what the dialogues even look like.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:d22ecc65-0806-4fd6-82c6-ab75db7e9a37@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there.

> Leave

> me outta this.

 

Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even

know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of

useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It

seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain

there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was

installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like

that.

> If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything

> that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of

> responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do

> you

> have, anyway?

 

Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my

question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.

 

Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the

net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.

My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort

[including not being available off and on for long periodsof time] for

them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the

two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20

seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,

this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.

 

However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this

WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Robert

[Guest Dan]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

I am with you there Gary and I really do enjoy targetting the individual

machine and trying to cure it. It really is so much simpler if you can fix

the individual machine by being able to sit at that machine and work at that

machine and that is a good reason why I am still a Windows 98 Second Edition

guy at heart because it is so much fun to be able to sit at the machine and

fix the problems right there. I guess that is why 9x is a consumer source

code compared to NT being a business source code because the 2 markets have

different needs. My friend Chris from Camp Stoney in Santa Fe, NM tells me

he plans to build a 98 Second Edition Machine from an old motherboard of mine

and he wants it for old-school gaming. <smile>

 

That is the coolest thing in my opinion because I am totally an old-school

gamer having grown up with an IBM PCjr in New York City and my first big

adventure game being King's Quest 1 in 1984 by Ken Williams of Sierra-On-Line

that was built to show off the prowess of the IBM PCjr. I have heard from

others in the industry that Amiga was really cool but I never had a chance to

play around with one or a Commodore for that matter.

 

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to

> remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with

> networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right

> drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

>

> But then, it's been so long since I dealt with dial-up on XP I totally

> forget what the dialogues even look like.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

> news:d22ecc65-0806-4fd6-82c6-ab75db7e9a37@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> > Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there.

> > Leave

> > me outta this.

>

> Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even

> know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of

> useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It

> seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain

> there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was

> installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like

> that.

>

> > If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything

> > that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of

> > responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do

> > you

> > have, anyway?

>

> Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my

> question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.

>

> Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the

> net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.

> My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort

> [including not being available off and on for long periodsof time] for

> them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the

> two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20

> seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,

> this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.

>

> However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this

> WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.

>

> Thanks for the help.

>

> Robert

>

>

>

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

On Aug 19, 12:18 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to

> remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with

> networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right

> drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

 

From the WinXP group that is saying something about UPnP

 

The fault may be in the Network Plug 'n' Play AutoSearch is taking too

much time.

 

Again, strip all network and reinstall.

 

Uh,...what is DM?

 

Robert

[Guest Dan]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

Driver Management?, but I am sure Gary knows. <grin>

 

"Robert A. Macy" wrote:

> On Aug 19, 12:18 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> > Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to

> > remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with

> > networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right

> > drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

>

> From the WinXP group that is saying something about UPnP

>

> The fault may be in the Network Plug 'n' Play AutoSearch is taking too

> much time.

>

> Again, strip all network and reinstall.

>

> Uh,...what is DM?

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: IE6 is NOT working, why?

 

DM = Device Manager, and take it from me, you want to disable UPnP after

installing SP3. Just the way it is. I have yet to notice any difference from

its missing. Whether it's the cause of *your* problem, I don't know, and I

can't remember what my specific issue was (my brain is mush this morning),

but disabling UPnP fixed it.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:64e7ee45-1d88-4d5c-8829-236a4080fd9d@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 19, 12:18 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to

> remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with

> networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the

> right

> drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

 

From the WinXP group that is saying something about UPnP

 

The fault may be in the Network Plug 'n' Play AutoSearch is taking too

much time.

 

Again, strip all network and reinstall.

 

Uh,...what is DM?

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Personal message for Dan

 

Re: Personal message for Dan

 

Please!

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:eTcmsucAJHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Hi Dan :)

>

> In case of doubt, I was being serious. I PM'd the administrator of our

> group (Jenn) and she has replied as follows:-

>

> "sure he can join, but I'd need to know the username he'd be using. I've

> been blocking a bot that auto joins by blocking the nicknames it uses...

> sooo .. if I know what Dan's nickname is going to be I can make sure I

> don't block that combination of letters and allow him to join".

>

> It's a very small group - and I'm sure that you will be made most welcome.

>

> Will you join us ............ please? <smile> If you do, what nickname

> will be used? I'll pass on the message.

>

> It cost nothing but time to take a looksee anyway!

>

> Dave

>

> --

>

>

> "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:%23gvt9gQAJHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Dan - Hi!

>>

>> Gary thinks *I'm* an idiot too! <wink!>

>>

>> Please pop over to http://www.pqlr.org/bbs and join me and fellow outcasts,

>> mostly Christians too. :)

>>

>> Dave

>>

>> --

>>

>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:9EA9D509-0E03-4DA6-92F9-C3A0716E8EF2@microsoft.com...

>>> <responses left below and only removed previously to shorten posts and

>>> lesson

>>> confusion at least to me>

>>>

>>> You will always be in my thoughts and prayers even if you cannot read

>>> this

>>> Gary S. Terhune.

>>>

>>> BTW, I was diagnosed with a learning disability at age 6 and so have

>>> never

>>> been completely normal and never will be and I have learned to thank God

>>> for

>>> the challenges that the Creator God has given me and can now rise to the

>>> occasion to get my house in order and try and always build up others

>>> where I

>>> can. This is what is lacking in the States (the U.S.A.) is that we

>>> keep

>>> trying to fix other people's problems when we are having lots of

>>> problems

>>> that are not getting fully dealt with like in the case of Hurricane

>>> Katrina

>>> and its aftermath.

>>>

>>> Thyroid Disease is not fun and I would not wish or hope for my worst

>>> enemy

>>> to ever have it and I would say it is up there with brain cancer and or

>>> Al

>>> timer's Disease because it jacks with all of your systems and does

>>> indeed

>>> make you completely crazy as I was in the past.

>>>

>>> Remember the radiation treatment which was delivered by x-rays was in

>>> 1990

>>> and mainly on the right side of the thyroid which was removed by Mike,

>>> the

>>> surgeon in New Mexico but it is fine with me if no one believes me

>>> anymore

>>> because I can hardly believe it myself. In addition, I now freely admit

>>> to

>>> having lied and posted using Art's Computer in Tucson, Arizona because I

>>> have

>>> dealt with my Fear of being afraid of man and woman more but I will

>>> continue

>>> to deal with this great fear for the rest of my life.

>>>

>>> I can only hope and pray that God will continue to strengthen me for the

>>> future. I do not judge anyone for not believing in my Christian God but

>>> all

>>> I ask is that you have Faith in something greater than yourselves so you

>>> will

>>> not fall into pride and whether it be another great being or even an

>>> alien

>>> then at least it can give you the hope to live day by day.

>>>

>>> I am in my 30's and living day by day and finally starting to really

>>> enjoy

>>> life and knowing that people that I know on-line are only on-line like

>>> Brad

>>> Paisley says in his song that he can be anyone on-line and so I sinned

>>> and

>>> know now I was wrong and humbly repent and hope that at least some of

>>> you can

>>> have mercy upon me but even if not I know that my God finds this

>>> wretched and

>>> broken body and mind and soul and spirit acceptable to Him and only if

>>> He

>>> would let me meet Him quickly but for some reason God has decided to

>>> keep

>>> little old Dan around not that it matters much but that is all to say

>>> and so

>>> take care all of you and stay safe out there boys and girls.

>>>

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy,

>>>> regardless

>>>> of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious

>>>> case

>>>> of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He

>>>> belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also

>>>> seen

>>>> indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And

>>>> about

>>>> his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms,

>>>> here.)

>>>>

>>>> I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from

>>>> this

>>>> distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be

>>>> institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of

>>>> them, I know.

>>>>

>>>> And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP

>>>> to

>>>> something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation"

>>>> marks

>>>> to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and

>>>> while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it

>>>> unless

>>>> there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep

>>>> hyperlinks

>>>> from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I

>>>> was

>>>> finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the

>>>> disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the

>>>> lack

>>>> of distinction between one person's text and another's.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:6d37e888-ae2b-4277-a715-1f7d4fb53f6b@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>> On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>>> > When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,

>>>> > nobody

>>>> > has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case,

>>>> > lots

>>>> > of

>>>> > idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called

>>>> > Dan. A

>>>> > lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

>>>> >

>>>> > Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped

>>>> > for no

>>>> > reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

>>>>

>>>> Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology

>>>> specifically addressed to you [i think], and a detailed explanation

>>>> [did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for

>>>> his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

>>>>

>>>> So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this

>>>> last system...

>>>>

>>>> I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup

>>>> modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither

>>>> seem exactly correct for this WinXP

>>>>

>>>> the modem is

>>>> Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)

>>>> 1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

>>>>

>>>> containing Conexant chip:

>>>> RH56D-PCI

>>>> R6795-12

>>>> F21204.6

>>>> 0008

>>>>

>>>> I'll keep looking.

>>>>

>>>> I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the

>>>> thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped

>>>> working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a

>>>> session' that is confusing to me.

>>>>

>>>> But, as you said, step by step.

>>>>

>>>> It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But

>>>> I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does

>>>> not show up.

>>>>

>>>> From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything

>>>> almost worked only to find that

>>>> 1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]

>>>> 2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started

>>>> manually before installing the Network connection.

>>>>

>>>> After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager

>>>> manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.

>>>> Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

>>>>

>>>> In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the

>>>> ipconfig /flushdns

>>>> hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

>>>>

>>>> After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information

>>>> to share, and probably ask again.

>>>>

>>>> Robert

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>