Guest Maurice Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates that there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought
Guest Malke Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Maurice wrote: > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates > that > there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought The registry doesn't need to be cleaned. Leave it alone. See this link for why: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 However, I'm concerned about your last statement, "A third party trial version indicates that there are over 200 issues". Is this coming from something called Antivirus 2007/08/09, XP Antivirus, WinAntivirus, XP Security Center or the like? If yes, your computer is infected with a rogue antispyware program. It is called "rogue" because it pretends to be A Good Guy but is really Evil. Do not pay them! If my guess is correct, look for removal steps here: Bleeping Computer removal how-to's - http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum55.html These may work for you and all may be well. However, in many cases the computer will also be infected with Zlob and/or Vundo trojans and protected by a rootkit. These machines are extremely difficult to clean. If your machine is one of these cases, either get guided help at one of the specialty forums below OR back up your data and do a clean install of Windows. It is your choice. If you are unsure how to back up your data or how to do a clean install, you can take your machine to a local computer professional. I don't recommend using BigComputerStore/GeekSquad types of places. PLEASE DO NOT POST LOGS IN THE MS NEWSGROUPS. http://aumha.net/ - Click on the HijackThis forum. Read the announcement and the stickies *first*. http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9 http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25Look http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malware_Removal_HiJackThis_Logs_Go_Here-f37.html http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/index.php?showforum=170 http://spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5 http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/ http://forums.tomcoyote.org/ Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
Guest Kayman Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:22:01 -0700, Maurice wrote: > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry... No, there isn't. > ...and identify problems. What seems to be the problem? > A third party trial version indicates... These are usually snake-oil! > ...that there are over 200 issues. These are usually non-issues, better ignore them. > Guidance sought Registry cleaners are not required for NT systems! AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner? http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 Note the comments from Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning ERUNT. Why I don¢t use registry cleaners! http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html Be guided accordingly :-)
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning If you are not competent to edit the registry manually, then leave well alone. Third party registry cleaners, sadly, create more problems than they actually solve and are best not even considered. Strangely, you could probably run your 'third party trial version' on a machine that you have just installed Windows XP (or any other version of Windows) on and it would still come up with over 200 issues. -- -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Maurice" <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D509256F-BD18-47EF-AB78-D58163A896A4@microsoft.com... > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates > that > there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning here is a second party free version: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "Maurice" <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D509256F-BD18-47EF-AB78-D58163A896A4@microsoft.com... > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates that > there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:22:01 -0700, Maurice <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry and identify problems. No, there isn't, and that's good, not bad. Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have. > A third party trial version indicates that > there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought "Issues" that are meaningless, and don't hurt you at all. Ignore them, and stay far away from all such programs. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest JS Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Not a good idea. Freeware registry cleaners can trash your PC at no cost $$$ to you. Those registry cleaner utilities that cost money are best known for cleaning your wallet and then trashing your PC. Example #1 Ran a scan to count the number of entries in my PC's registry Total was over 260,000 So if a registry cleaner (if it worked properly) removed say 1,000 entries that would be less than one half of one percent space savings. Example #2 I very recently ran a registry cleaner knowing in advance what some of the fixes the cleaner should find and the suggested changes. This was based on the fact I had uninstalled an application (knowing it would leave some orphaned registry entries) and then reinstalled the same application to a different directory location. The cleaner's default suggested fix for the application's old directory location (the orphaned entries) was to change these entries to the new location, which was not necessary, so I manually deleted these entries. Now here is where a registry cleaner could cause a real problem! A few months ago I removed a large number but not all of the $NtUninstallKBxxxxxx$ folders (these are the folders and associated files left behind each time you install the latest Windows Updates each month) The cleaner reported the broken registry entries but the suggested fix was to point the broken registry entries to the remaining $NtUninstall files (on a random basis) thus royally screwing up the pointers. By that I mean you go to uninstall (in rare cases) a patch that may be giving you problems and due to the screwed up registry entry it instead removes the wrong patch. JS http://www.pagestart.com "Maurice" <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D509256F-BD18-47EF-AB78-D58163A896A4@microsoft.com... > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates > that > there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Maurice wrote: > Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the > registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates that > there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed - is an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real need for registry cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their manufacturers. Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a real problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good, whatsoever (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: > here is a second party > free version: > But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as all 3rd party ones. Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Alias Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Bruce Chambers wrote: > db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >> here is a second party >> free version: >> > > But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as > all 3rd party ones. > > Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers. > So you're saying that Microsoft's One Care program will sabotage people's computers? Have you notified Microsoft yet? Alias
Guest Alias Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:22:01 -0700, Maurice > <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the >> registry and identify problems. > > > No, there isn't, and that's good, not bad. > > Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Not according to Microsoft: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm Alias Cleaning of the > registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and > don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and > what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, > having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. > > The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously > removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit > it may have. > > > >> A third party trial version indicates that >> there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought > > > > "Issues" that are meaningless, and don't hurt you at all. Ignore them, > and stay far away from all such programs. > >
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Why do want to sabotage peoples computers and say not to use Microsoft's registry cleaner and other system maintenance utilities they engineered for Windows? http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:e3j0iWj%23IHA.872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >> here is a second party >> free version: >> > > But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as all 3rd party ones. > > Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers. > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning why are you putting all the newsgroup readers to sleep with this mindless rant? -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:u$6EiVj%23IHA.872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Maurice wrote: >> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the registry and identify problems. A third party trial >> version indicates that there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought > > > A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed - is an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real > need for registry cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their manufacturers. > > Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some > program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? > > If you do have a real problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of > course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will > do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences > of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is > knowledge and Regedit.exe. > > The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the > location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One > should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what > is going to happen as a result of each and every change. > > Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the > most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not > safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then > you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they > claim to be. > > More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, > inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate > that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for > harm, it's just not worth the risk. > > Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always > there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good, whatsoever (think of them like treating the flu > with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people > that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. > > I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist > can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't > think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the > opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Gerry Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Alias From your link: "Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an "undo" option. In this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's finished scanning, the Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System Restore point on your PC. This allows you to revert your system to its original state, before you performed the scan, in case you inadvertently remove any valid registry items." Microsoft have a lot more confidence in System Restore than many who post to these newsgroups. Which side of the fence do you reside Alias? A number of well known security programmes prevent System Restore from working! ~~~~ Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alias wrote: > Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:22:01 -0700, Maurice >> <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >>> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to >>> clean the registry and identify problems. >> >> >> No, there isn't, and that's good, not bad. >> >> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. > > Not according to Microsoft: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm > > Alias > Cleaning of the >> registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and >> don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and >> what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, >> having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. >> >> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner >> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any >> potential benefit it may have. >> >> >> >>> A third party trial version indicates that >>> there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought >> >> >> >> "Issues" that are meaningless, and don't hurt you at all. Ignore >> them, and stay far away from all such programs.
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning I beta tested Microsoft One Care and found it next to useless. I certainly wouldn't use it, nor would I recommend people to use it. As for registry cleaners in general I stick with what I have already posted. 'If you are not competent enough to manually edit the registry, then leave it well alone.' -- -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:g7ke6i$eet$2@aioe.org... > Bruce Chambers wrote: >> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >>> here is a second party >>> free version: >>> >> >> But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as >> all 3rd party ones. >> >> Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers. >> > > So you're saying that Microsoft's One Care program will sabotage people's > computers? Have you notified Microsoft yet? > > Alias
Guest Bill in Co. Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Self projection noted. > why are you putting all > the newsgroup readers > to sleep with this mindless > rant? > > -- > > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message > news:u$6EiVj%23IHA.872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Maurice wrote: >>> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the >>> registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates >>> that >>> there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought >> >> >> A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed - >> is >> an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real need for registry >> cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their manufacturers. Why do >> you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What >> specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's >> bogus >> listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a >> registry cleaner? If you do have a real problem that is rooted in the >> registry, it would >> be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the >> specific >> key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use >> a >> chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually >> changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the >> dire >> consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes >> simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is >> knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating >> system's "knowledge" of the >> computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the >> device >> drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can >> have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly >> understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he >> knows >> *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. >> Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using >> automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most >> experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. >> Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands >> of >> the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to >> maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and >> experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no >> matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever >> demonstrated that the use of an >> automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced >> computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no >> empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products >> to >> "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. >> Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, >> most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every >> time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since >> no >> registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good, whatsoever >> (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real >> medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I >> always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent >> benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the >> hands of an >> experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful >> time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any >> changes >> automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry >> cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience >> has >> proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of >> the >> inexperienced user. -- >> >> Bruce Chambers >> >> Help us help you: >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 >> >> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety >> deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would >> rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell >> >> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has >> killed >> a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Bill in Co. Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Thank you. And this is the sanest post in this thread. And presents the real truth. John Barnett MVP wrote: > If you are not competent to edit the registry manually, then leave well > alone. Exactly! And well said. "A word to the wise is sufficient". (Unfortunately, there are quite a few who are not). > Third party registry cleaners, sadly, create more problems than they > actually solve and are best not even considered. Strangely, you could > probably run your 'third party trial version' on a machine that you have > just installed Windows XP (or any other version of Windows) on and it > would > still come up with over 200 issues. > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Maurice" <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D509256F-BD18-47EF-AB78-D58163A896A4@microsoft.com... >> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the >> registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates >> that >> there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought
Guest Kayman Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:09:26 -0500, databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote: > Why do want to sabotage > peoples computers and > say not to use Microsoft's > registry cleaner and other > system maintenance utilities > they engineered for > Windows? > It's called 'bowing under customer pressure'! Most of the users are not very well versed when it comes to the innards of the Windows NT system. As you and others may well be aware, the general public is very fair game of advertisement attacks. When companies advertise their products in various PC magazines and get "favourable" reviews from the 'in-house' (so-called) "experts", the unassuming reader will believe this hype without questioning it; Not realizing that these reviews are driven by the advertisement dollar (the same applies incidentally to 3rd party firewalls -PFW- ). Now, the costumer informed by these biased reports want to have these software (especilally when its 'free' and has an 'attractive' interface and icon to look at. It is sad that MSFT Marketing Department for inexplicable reasons is following this trend instead of educating the public about the perils of these r/cleaners. Just looking at the additions offered in WLOC makes me wonder if they have lost the plot. But it is refreshing that at least some knowledgable MVP's are standing up speaking against the use of these software! IMO, MSFT's software engineers (the people who actually intimitaly know their products) are often antagonized by their very own Marketing Department (the people who mostly care about anything but realities); Which BTW is very common in large companies. One only has to look at Sunbelt (the makers of Kerio Firewall), the situation is almost identical concerning a certain software product. But their software engineers actually admitted the hype created by their advertisement department is nothing but hot air! db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>, based on reading some previous posts from you, you seem knowledgable enough to realize that some 3rd party software applictions are nothing but snake oil and am surprised (even if they're suported by MSFT) you're touting this kind product. You are provoking inessential debates and (in this case) providing a dis-service to the uninformed readers here!
Guest Alias Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Gerry wrote: > Alias > > From your link: "Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an > "undo" option. In this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's > finished scanning, the Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System > Restore point on your PC. This allows you to revert your system to its > original state, before you performed the scan, in case you inadvertently > remove any valid registry items." > > Microsoft have a lot more confidence in System Restore than many who > post to these newsgroups. Which side of the fence do you reside Alias? A > number of well known security programmes prevent System Restore from > working! > > ~~~~ > > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The only registry cleaner I use is Crap Cleaner and I use it selectively to, say, remove crap left over from an uninstall. Other than that, I see no reason to use them. I wouldn't use NoCare for anything. I just find it ironic that a lot the MVPs (except Carey Frisch, of course; he's sold on One Care and a "Vista Enthusiast) are saying that registry cleaners are snake oil when Microsoft has one of their own. Alias > > > Alias wrote: >> Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:22:01 -0700, Maurice >>> <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to >>>> clean the registry and identify problems. >>> >>> No, there isn't, and that's good, not bad. >>> >>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. >> Not according to Microsoft: >> >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm >> >> Alias >> Cleaning of the >>> registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and >>> don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and >>> what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, >>> having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. >>> >>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner >>> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any >>> potential benefit it may have. >>> >>> >>> >>>> A third party trial version indicates that >>>> there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought >>> >>> >>> "Issues" that are meaningless, and don't hurt you at all. Ignore >>> them, and stay far away from all such programs. > >
Guest Daave Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:g7lcd8$ka6$1@aioe.org... > I just find it ironic that a lot the MVPs (except Carey Frisch, of > course; he's sold on One Care and a "Vista Enthusiast) are saying > that registry cleaners are snake oil when Microsoft has one of their > own. Although I understand what you're saying, upon closer consideration, there is no irony IMO. There is a big difference between the Microsoft corporation (which has its profit motive and markets its products accordingly) and users of Microsoft products (who do not share this motive and are thus more independent). It's sort of like when citizens of a nation disagree with their government's actions.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning If he isn't, I sure as heck am. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:g7ke6i$eet$2@aioe.org... > Bruce Chambers wrote: >> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >>> here is a second party >>> free version: >>> >> >> But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as >> all 3rd party ones. >> >> Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers. >> > > So you're saying that Microsoft's One Care program will sabotage people's > computers? Have you notified Microsoft yet? > > Alias
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning It could cost $500, doesn't matter. *Anything* that claims to be able to analyze and "clean" or "fix" the Registry is an absolute scam, practically guaranteed to screw up your system. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "JS" <@> wrote in message news:%23p0j46i%23IHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Not a good idea. > Freeware registry cleaners can trash your PC at no cost $$$ to you. > Those registry cleaner utilities that cost money are best known > for cleaning your wallet and then trashing your PC. > > Example #1 > Ran a scan to count the number of entries in my PC's registry > Total was over 260,000 > So if a registry cleaner (if it worked properly) removed say 1,000 entries > that would be less than one half of one percent space savings. > > Example #2 > I very recently ran a registry cleaner knowing in advance what some of the > fixes the cleaner should find and the suggested changes. > This was based on the fact I had uninstalled an application (knowing it > would leave some orphaned registry entries) and then reinstalled the same > application to a different directory location. > > The cleaner's default suggested fix for the application's old directory > location (the orphaned entries) was to change these entries to the new > location, which was not necessary, so I manually deleted these entries. > > Now here is where a registry cleaner could cause a real problem! > A few months ago I removed a large number but not all of the > $NtUninstallKBxxxxxx$ folders > (these are the folders and associated files left behind each time you > install the latest Windows Updates each month) > The cleaner reported the broken registry entries but the suggested fix was > to point the broken registry entries to the remaining $NtUninstall files > (on a random basis) thus royally screwing up the pointers. By that I mean > you go to uninstall (in rare cases) a patch that may be giving you > problems and due to the screwed up registry entry it instead removes the > wrong patch. > > JS > http://www.pagestart.com > > > "Maurice" <Maurice@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D509256F-BD18-47EF-AB78-D58163A896A4@microsoft.com... >> Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the >> registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates >> that >> there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought > >
Guest Alias Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning Daave wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:g7lcd8$ka6$1@aioe.org... > >> I just find it ironic that a lot the MVPs (except Carey Frisch, of >> course; he's sold on One Care and a "Vista Enthusiast) are saying >> that registry cleaners are snake oil when Microsoft has one of their >> own. > > Although I understand what you're saying, upon closer consideration, > there is no irony IMO. There is a big difference between the Microsoft > corporation (which has its profit motive and markets its products > accordingly) and users of Microsoft products (who do not share this > motive and are thus more independent). It's sort of like when citizens > of a nation disagree with their government's actions. > > More like subjects that disagree with the monarchy. There aren't any elections in Redmond. It also confirms my contention that Microsoft not only doesn't care about their paying customers but holds them in total disdain. Alias
Guest Daave Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:g7mmn1$ost$2@aioe.org... > Daave wrote: >> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> news:g7lcd8$ka6$1@aioe.org... >> >>> I just find it ironic that a lot the MVPs (except Carey Frisch, of >>> course; he's sold on One Care and a "Vista Enthusiast) are saying >>> that registry cleaners are snake oil when Microsoft has one of their >>> own. >> >> Although I understand what you're saying, upon closer consideration, >> there is no irony IMO. There is a big difference between the >> Microsoft corporation (which has its profit motive and markets its >> products accordingly) and users of Microsoft products (who do not >> share this motive and are thus more independent). It's sort of like >> when citizens of a nation disagree with their government's actions. > > More like subjects that disagree with the monarchy. There aren't any > elections in Redmond. It also confirms my contention that Microsoft > not only doesn't care about their paying customers but holds them in > total disdain. A bit hyperbolic, but I would agree that Microsoft cares more about their profits than their customers. But that's how all corporations operate. The MVPs care more about Microsoft's customers than Microsoft's profits, don't you agree?
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Re: Registry Cleaning you to find a publisher instead of a windows newsgroup. in the interim the first source of information for windows comes directly from microsoft. http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm all others need not pretend to be experts, including mvp's. (brown nosing mvp's that bash the hand that feeds their egos is unprofessional) -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "Kayman" <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote in message news:OPo3run%23IHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:09:26 -0500, > databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote: > >> Why do want to sabotage >> peoples computers and >> say not to use Microsoft's >> registry cleaner and other >> system maintenance utilities >> they engineered for >> Windows? >> > It's called 'bowing under customer pressure'! > Most of the users are not very well versed when it comes to the innards of > the Windows NT system. > As you and others may well be aware, the general public is very fair game > of advertisement attacks. When companies advertise their products in > various PC magazines and get "favourable" reviews from the 'in-house' > (so-called) "experts", the unassuming reader will believe this hype without > questioning it; Not realizing that these reviews are driven by the > advertisement dollar (the same applies incidentally to 3rd party firewalls > -PFW- ). > > Now, the costumer informed by these biased reports want to have these > software (especilally when its 'free' and has an 'attractive' interface and > icon to look at. > > It is sad that MSFT Marketing Department for inexplicable reasons is > following this trend instead of educating the public about the perils of > these r/cleaners. > Just looking at the additions offered in WLOC makes me wonder if they have > lost the plot. > > But it is refreshing that at least some knowledgable MVP's are standing up > speaking against the use of these software! > > IMO, MSFT's software engineers (the people who actually intimitaly know > their products) are often antagonized by their very own Marketing > Department (the people who mostly care about anything but realities); Which > BTW is very common in large companies. One only has to look at Sunbelt (the > makers of Kerio Firewall), the situation is almost identical concerning a > certain software product. But their software engineers actually admitted > the hype created by their advertisement department is nothing but hot air! > > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>, based on reading some previous posts from you, you seem > knowledgable enough to realize that some 3rd party software applictions are > nothing but snake oil and am surprised (even if they're suported by MSFT) > you're touting this kind product. > You are provoking inessential debates and (in this case) providing a > dis-service to the uninformed readers here!
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