Installing print drivers on TS

[Guest fox7]

Hi:

This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and people

runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people printing.

 

They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install the Print

Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

 

1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add Printer'??

 

2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

 

3. Then what??

 

or is there another totally different process??

 

This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then I also

want to install a networked printer on the TS that is located on the Remote

Network. Help??

 

I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about problems after

you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the TS, but I could find

nothing about install the drivers on TS and the decisions that are made

during that process.

 

Help!!!

 

Thanks big time,

fox7

[Guest Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

If you are simply looking at the getting driver on teh system then install

it anyway you like then delete the printer you created. the driver will

stay installed.

 

--

Jeff Pitsch

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

 

"fox7" <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Hi:

> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and people

> runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people printing.

>

> They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install the Print

> Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>

> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add Printer'??

>

> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>

> 3. Then what??

>

> or is there another totally different process??

>

> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then I also

> want to install a networked printer on the TS that is located on the

> Remote

> Network. Help??

>

> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about problems

> after

> you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the TS, but I could find

> nothing about install the drivers on TS and the decisions that are made

> during that process.

>

> Help!!!

>

> Thanks big time,

> fox7

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi:

> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and people

> runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people printing.

>

> They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install the

> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>

> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

> Printer'??

>

> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>

> 3. Then what??

>

> or is there another totally different process??

>

> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then I

> also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is located on

> the Remote Network. Help??

>

> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about problems

> after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the TS, but I

> could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and the decisions

> that are made during that process.

>

> Help!!!

>

> Thanks big time,

> fox7

 

Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a good way

to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD client, the client is

set to redirect printers, & make sure you haven't disabled printer

redirection in the server . If their printer is not automatically redirected

ir's probably a multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing

the driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users that

such printers just won't work.

 

That said, if your budget permits you could check out a universal driver

solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from http://www.tricerat.com - it

works very well to redirect pretty much any printer.

 

Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

[Guest Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

 

You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on the windows

mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall mechanism. That way

you don't have to worry about untested, unverified, unstable drivers being

installed on the servers. only admins should ever install drivers on a

terminal server.

 

--

Jeff Pitsch

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

 

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message

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> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> Hi:

>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and people

>> runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people printing.

>>

>> They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install the

>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>

>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>> Printer'??

>>

>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>

>> 3. Then what??

>>

>> or is there another totally different process??

>>

>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then I

>> also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is located on

>> the Remote Network. Help??

>>

>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about problems

>> after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the TS, but I

>> could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and the decisions

>> that are made during that process.

>>

>> Help!!!

>>

>> Thanks big time,

>> fox7

>

> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a good way

> to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD client, the client

> is set to redirect printers, & make sure you haven't disabled printer

> redirection in the server . If their printer is not automatically

> redirected ir's probably a multifunction or other consumer-grade printer

> and installing the driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually

> tell users that such printers just won't work.

>

> That said, if your budget permits you could check out a universal driver

> solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from http://www.tricerat.com - it

> works very well to redirect pretty much any printer.

>

> Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

>

>

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>

> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on the

> windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

> mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about untested,

> unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers. only

> admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>

 

Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS guru

friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers was a recipe for

disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

>

> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

> message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>> Hi:

>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people

>>> printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install

>>> the

>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>

>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>> Printer'??

>>>

>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>

>>> 3. Then what??

>>>

>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>

>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then

>>> I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is

>>> located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>

>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

>>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

>>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>

>>> Help!!!

>>>

>>> Thanks big time,

>>> fox7

>>

>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

>> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

>> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

>> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

>> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

>> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

>> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users that

>> such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget permits you

>> could check out a universal

>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much any

>> printer. Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

[Guest X-Fire]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

On Aug 15, 2:36 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:

> Jeff Pitsch <j...@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

> > I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>

> > You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on the

> > windows mechanism.  In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

> > mechanism.  That way you don't have to worry about untested,

> > unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers.  only

> > admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>

> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS guru

> friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers was a recipe for

> disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

 

Hello.

 

My two cents.

 

I had "lots" of trouble with allowing "smart users" automatically

redirect their own printers... Till we bought Screwdrivers. I have

some problems yet with speed of Ricoh Laser printers (from 25ppm to 3

or 4ppm) and Sharp printers with wrong layout, but the other server

reset and hang problems, never more...

 

Best Regards,

 

Germano.

 

Porto Alegre - RS - Brazil.

>

>

>

> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

> > <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

> > messagenews:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >> fox7 <f...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>> Hi:

> >>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

> >>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people

> >>> printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install

> >>> the

> >>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>

> >>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

> >>> Printer'??

>

> >>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>

> >>> 3. Then what??

>

> >>> or is there another totally different process??

>

> >>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then

> >>> I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is

> >>> located on the Remote Network.  Help??

>

> >>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

> >>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

> >>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

> >>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>

> >>> Help!!!

>

> >>> Thanks big time,

> >>> fox7

>

> >> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

> >> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

> >> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

> >> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

> >> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

> >> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

> >> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users that

> >> such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget permits you

> >> could check out a universal

> >> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

> >>http://www.tricerat.com- it works very well to redirect pretty much any

> >> printer. Check outhttp://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

[Guest Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

I'm sorry to say but I would consider anyone that said that not to be a guru

but someone very inexperienced with terminal services. Allowing end users

the ability to install drivers intentionally or unintentionally is a huge

recipe for disaster. Only fully tested print drivers should be installed

and that means manually installing them by the administrator.

 

The #1 problem causing agent is print drivers in a TS environment. The best

solution is a UPD from Tricerat, ThinPrint, or Provision Networks.

 

--

Jeff Pitsch

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

 

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>>

>> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on the

>> windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

>> mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about untested,

>> unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers. only

>> admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>>

>

> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS guru

> friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers was a recipe

> for disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

>

>>

>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>> message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>> Hi:

>>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have people

>>>> printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I want to install

>>>> the

>>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>>

>>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>>> Printer'??

>>>>

>>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>>

>>>> 3. Then what??

>>>>

>>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>>

>>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but then

>>>> I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is

>>>> located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>>

>>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

>>>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

>>>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>>

>>>> Help!!!

>>>>

>>>> Thanks big time,

>>>> fox7

>>>

>>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

>>> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

>>> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

>>> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

>>> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

>>> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

>>> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users that

>>> such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget permits you

>>> could check out a universal

>>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much any

>>> printer. Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

>

>

>

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry to say but I would consider anyone that said that not to be

> a guru but someone very inexperienced with terminal services. Allowing end

> users the ability to install drivers intentionally or

> unintentionally is a huge recipe for disaster. Only fully tested

> print drivers should be installed and that means manually installing

> them by the administrator.

> The #1 problem causing agent is print drivers in a TS environment. The

> best solution is a UPD from Tricerat, ThinPrint, or Provision

> Networks.

 

Ah. Well, thanks for the correction. I'm a big fan of Screwdrivers, myself.

>

>

> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

> message news:%23Ur8v1v$IHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>>>

>>> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on the

>>> windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

>>> mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about untested,

>>> unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers. only

>>> admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>>>

>>

>> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS

>> guru friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers was

>> a recipe for disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

>>

>>>

>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>>> message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>> Hi:

>>>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have

>>>>> people printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I

>>>>> want to install the

>>>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>>>> Printer'??

>>>>>

>>>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>>>

>>>>> 3. Then what??

>>>>>

>>>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>>>

>>>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but

>>>>> then I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is

>>>>> located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>>>

>>>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

>>>>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

>>>>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>>>

>>>>> Help!!!

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks big time,

>>>>> fox7

>>>>

>>>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

>>>> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

>>>> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

>>>> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

>>>> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

>>>> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

>>>> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users

>>>> that such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget

>>>> permits you could check out a universal

>>>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>>>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much any

>>>> printer. Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

[Guest Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

That was mean of me to say and i apologize but what your friends say is very

frustrating especially when you've had to clean out print drivers for

clients before. sometimes hundreds of them...... :(

 

--

Jeff Pitsch

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

 

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>> I'm sorry to say but I would consider anyone that said that not to be

>> a guru but someone very inexperienced with terminal services. Allowing

>> end users the ability to install drivers intentionally or

>> unintentionally is a huge recipe for disaster. Only fully tested

>> print drivers should be installed and that means manually installing

>> them by the administrator.

>> The #1 problem causing agent is print drivers in a TS environment. The

>> best solution is a UPD from Tricerat, ThinPrint, or Provision

>> Networks.

>

> Ah. Well, thanks for the correction. I'm a big fan of Screwdrivers,

> myself.

>>

>>

>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>> message news:%23Ur8v1v$IHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>>> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>>>>

>>>> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on the

>>>> windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

>>>> mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about untested,

>>>> unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers. only

>>>> admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS

>>> guru friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers was

>>> a recipe for disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>>>> message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>>>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have

>>>>>> people printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I

>>>>>> want to install the

>>>>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>>>>> Printer'??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3. Then what??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but

>>>>>> then I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that is

>>>>>> located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>>>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

>>>>>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

>>>>>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Help!!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks big time,

>>>>>> fox7

>>>>>

>>>>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

>>>>> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

>>>>> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

>>>>> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

>>>>> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

>>>>> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

>>>>> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users

>>>>> that such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget

>>>>> permits you could check out a universal

>>>>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>>>>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much any

>>>>> printer. Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

>

>

>

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

> That was mean of me to say and i apologize but what your friends say

> is very frustrating especially when you've had to clean out print

> drivers for clients before. sometimes hundreds of them...... :(

 

Don't worry about it - I didn't take offense. But that was nice of you to

think of, thanks.

 

I'm curious, tho - when a *limited user* logs in to TS and their printer is

redirected (using the native stuff), are they actually *installing*

something foreign, and if so, how come they have the privileges to do it? I

thought Windows used its closest match as found on the server....and that's

why a lot of printers just wouldn't show up redirected & throw an error in

the event logs, because Windows couldn't find an adequate driver. Discuss.

:)

 

>

>

> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

> message news:emZpnGhAJHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>> I'm sorry to say but I would consider anyone that said that not to

>>> be a guru but someone very inexperienced with terminal services.

>>> Allowing end users the ability to install drivers intentionally or

>>> unintentionally is a huge recipe for disaster. Only fully tested

>>> print drivers should be installed and that means manually installing

>>> them by the administrator.

>>> The #1 problem causing agent is print drivers in a TS environment.

>>> The best solution is a UPD from Tricerat, ThinPrint, or Provision

>>> Networks.

>>

>> Ah. Well, thanks for the correction. I'm a big fan of Screwdrivers,

>> myself.

>>>

>>>

>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>>> message news:%23Ur8v1v$IHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>>>> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>>>>>

>>>>> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on

>>>>> the windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

>>>>> mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about untested,

>>>>> unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers. only

>>>>> admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS

>>>> guru friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers

>>>> was a recipe for disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote

>>>>> in message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>>>>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have

>>>>>>> people printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I

>>>>>>> want to install the

>>>>>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>>>>>> Printer'??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 3. Then what??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but

>>>>>>> then I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that

>>>>>>> is located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>>>>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

>>>>>>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

>>>>>>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Help!!!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thanks big time,

>>>>>>> fox7

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

>>>>>> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

>>>>>> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

>>>>>> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

>>>>>> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

>>>>>> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

>>>>>> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users

>>>>>> that such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget

>>>>>> permits you could check out a universal

>>>>>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>>>>>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much any

>>>>>> printer. Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

[Guest Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

It's how windows is setup. Users have the privilege to install print

drivers. it can be removed if needed but if you think of it from a

workstation perspective it makes sense. users have enoug privileges to go

out to a print server, double click a printer and the driver will

automatically install. You can make arguments for and against this

functionality. Personally on workstations it's fine, on TS it's bad. I

think MS should make it a default that this is disabled on servers or at

least TS.

 

--

Jeff Pitsch

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

 

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:%23ou%23xumAJHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>> That was mean of me to say and i apologize but what your friends say

>> is very frustrating especially when you've had to clean out print

>> drivers for clients before. sometimes hundreds of them...... :(

>

> Don't worry about it - I didn't take offense. But that was nice of you to

> think of, thanks.

>

> I'm curious, tho - when a *limited user* logs in to TS and their printer

> is redirected (using the native stuff), are they actually *installing*

> something foreign, and if so, how come they have the privileges to do it?

> I thought Windows used its closest match as found on the server....and

> that's why a lot of printers just wouldn't show up redirected & throw an

> error in the event logs, because Windows couldn't find an adequate driver.

> Discuss. :)

>

>

>>

>>

>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>> message news:emZpnGhAJHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>>> I'm sorry to say but I would consider anyone that said that not to

>>>> be a guru but someone very inexperienced with terminal services.

>>>> Allowing end users the ability to install drivers intentionally or

>>>> unintentionally is a huge recipe for disaster. Only fully tested

>>>> print drivers should be installed and that means manually installing

>>>> them by the administrator.

>>>> The #1 problem causing agent is print drivers in a TS environment.

>>>> The best solution is a UPD from Tricerat, ThinPrint, or Provision

>>>> Networks.

>>>

>>> Ah. Well, thanks for the correction. I'm a big fan of Screwdrivers,

>>> myself.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>>>> message news:%23Ur8v1v$IHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>>>>> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on

>>>>>> the windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that autoinstall

>>>>>> mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about untested,

>>>>>> unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the servers. only

>>>>>> admins should ever install drivers on a terminal server.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my TS

>>>>> guru friends & colleagues state that manually installing drivers

>>>>> was a recipe for disaster. Is this stale information? Urban myth?

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote

>>>>>> in message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>>>>>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have

>>>>>>>> people printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I

>>>>>>>> want to install the

>>>>>>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>>>>>>> Printer'??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 3. Then what??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but

>>>>>>>> then I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that

>>>>>>>> is located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>>>>>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on the

>>>>>>>> TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on TS and

>>>>>>>> the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Help!!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Thanks big time,

>>>>>>>> fox7

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS - it's a

>>>>>>> good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the latest RD

>>>>>>> client, the client is set to redirect printers, & make sure you

>>>>>>> haven't disabled printer redirection in the server . If their

>>>>>>> printer is not automatically redirected ir's probably a

>>>>>>> multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and installing the

>>>>>>> driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I usually tell users

>>>>>>> that such printers just won't work. That said, if your budget

>>>>>>> permits you could check out a universal

>>>>>>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>>>>>>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much any

>>>>>>> printer. Check out http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

>

>

>

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

> It's how windows is setup. Users have the privilege to install print

> drivers. it can be removed if needed but if you think of it from a

> workstation perspective it makes sense. users have enoug privileges

> to go out to a print server, double click a printer and the driver

> will automatically install. You can make arguments for and against

> this functionality. Personally on workstations it's fine, on TS it's

> bad. I think MS should make it a default that this is disabled on

> servers or at least TS.

 

Cool beans. Thanks for responding, Jeff. I guess I never thought they were

actually installing anything 'foreign' but that Windows was merely

*recognizing* printers from its native driver cache. You make a good point,

although even on workstations I've never had a problem with this setup. On

TS I generally use Tricerat Screwdrivers and have been really happy with it,

so this is somewhat moot, but I appreciate the info.

>

>

> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

> message news:%23ou%23xumAJHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>> That was mean of me to say and i apologize but what your friends say

>>> is very frustrating especially when you've had to clean out print

>>> drivers for clients before. sometimes hundreds of them...... :(

>>

>> Don't worry about it - I didn't take offense. But that was nice of

>> you to think of, thanks.

>>

>> I'm curious, tho - when a *limited user* logs in to TS and their

>> printer is redirected (using the native stuff), are they actually

>> *installing* something foreign, and if so, how come they have the

>> privileges to do it? I thought Windows used its closest match as

>> found on the server....and that's why a lot of printers just

>> wouldn't show up redirected & throw an error in the event logs,

>> because Windows couldn't find an adequate driver. Discuss. :)

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in

>>> message news:emZpnGhAJHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>>>> I'm sorry to say but I would consider anyone that said that not to

>>>>> be a guru but someone very inexperienced with terminal services.

>>>>> Allowing end users the ability to install drivers intentionally or

>>>>> unintentionally is a huge recipe for disaster. Only fully tested

>>>>> print drivers should be installed and that means manually

>>>>> installing them by the administrator.

>>>>> The #1 problem causing agent is print drivers in a TS environment.

>>>>> The best solution is a UPD from Tricerat, ThinPrint, or Provision

>>>>> Networks.

>>>>

>>>> Ah. Well, thanks for the correction. I'm a big fan of Screwdrivers,

>>>> myself.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote

>>>>> in message news:%23Ur8v1v$IHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Jeff Pitsch <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> I have to disagree with you Lanwench.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You definitely want to preinstall TESTED drivers and not rely on

>>>>>>> the windows mechanism. In fact, I would disable that

>>>>>>> autoinstall mechanism. That way you don't have to worry about

>>>>>>> untested, unverified, unstable drivers being installed on the

>>>>>>> servers. only admins should ever install drivers on a terminal

>>>>>>> server.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well, I am admittedly not a TS guru, but I have always heard my

>>>>>> TS guru friends & colleagues state that manually installing

>>>>>> drivers was a recipe for disaster. Is this stale information?

>>>>>> Urban myth?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

>>>>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote

>>>>>>> in message news:%23eIwARu$IHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> fox7 <fox7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>>>>> This is my first Terminal Server. I have it up and running and

>>>>>>>>> people runnning the application properly. Now I want to have

>>>>>>>>> people printing. They are coming through a VPN using RDP and I

>>>>>>>>> want to install the

>>>>>>>>> Print Drivers on the TS. How do I do that???

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> 1. Install as local?? or Networked form the menus under 'Add

>>>>>>>>> Printer'??

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> 2. Picking a port?? Which port, LPT, USB, Create Port????

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> 3. Then what??

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> or is there another totally different process??

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> This first one will be a printer install on a client's PC, but

>>>>>>>>> then I also want to install a networked printer on the TS that

>>>>>>>>> is located on the Remote Network. Help??

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have cruised the Internet, and there is lots of info about

>>>>>>>>> problems after you have got the printer drivers insatlled on

>>>>>>>>> the TS, but I could find nothing about install the drivers on

>>>>>>>>> TS and the decisions that are made during that process.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Help!!!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Thanks big time,

>>>>>>>>> fox7

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Don't manually install your users' printer drivers on TS -

>>>>>>>> it's a good way to break it. Make sure the user is using the

>>>>>>>> latest RD client, the client is set to redirect printers, &

>>>>>>>> make sure you haven't disabled printer redirection in the

>>>>>>>> server . If their printer is not automatically redirected ir's

>>>>>>>> probably a multifunction or other consumer-grade printer and

>>>>>>>> installing the driver on the TS box is a really bad idea. I

>>>>>>>> usually tell users that such printers just won't work. That

>>>>>>>> said, if your budget permits you could check out a universal

>>>>>>>> driver solution. Myu preference is for ScrewDrivers from

>>>>>>>> http://www.tricerat.com - it works very well to redirect pretty much

>>>>>>>> any printer. Check out

>>>>>>>> http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm

[Guest TP]

Re: Installing print drivers on TS

 

Hi Jeff,

 

The default is already as you say. On servers, normal users

don't have the ability to install print drivers. On workstations

it is the opposite.

 

Devices: Prevent users from installing printer drivers

 

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc787926.aspx

 

-TP

 

Jeff Pitsch wrote:

> It's how windows is setup. Users have the privilege to install print

> drivers. it can be removed if needed but if you think of it from a

> workstation perspective it makes sense. users have enoug privileges

> to go out to a print server, double click a printer and the driver

> will automatically install. You can make arguments for and against

> this functionality. Personally on workstations it's fine, on TS it's

> bad. I think MS should make it a default that this is disabled on

> servers or at least TS.