ASR without full backup in XP

[Guest Tony]

I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3. But it

seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole contents of my C

drive. It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared Documents", so I

would need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is fine if you have a tape

drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't. But I already have full

backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All I need from ASR is the

system files. So, can I stop the ASR wizard backing up "My Documents" and

"Shared Documents"? Or is there another way to be able to get the system

working again if all goes wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document

backup and system backup are not the same thing after all.

--

Tony W

My e-mail address has no hyphen

- but please don't use it, reply to the group.

[Guest BillW50]

Re: ASR without full backup in XP

 

In news:kxVok.42446$E41.22617@text.news.virginmedia.com,

Tony typed:

> I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3. But

> it seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole contents

> of my C drive. It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared

> Documents", so I would need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is

> fine if you have a tape drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't.

> But I already have full backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All I

> need from ASR is the system files. So, can I stop the ASR

> wizard backing up "My Documents" and "Shared Documents"? Or is there

> another way to be able to get the system working again if all goes

> wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document backup and system

> backup are not the same thing after all. --

> Tony W

> My e-mail address has no hyphen

> - but please don't use it, reply to the group.

 

I use a boot CD like BartPE (its free) and then I have access to all files

and folders on the hard drive and none of them are locked. And I can copy

only the parts of the hard drive I want to backup. I have also used this

method to copy everything to a new hard drive. And then boot up from the new

drive. I've done backups and copies this way since the Windows 3.1 days.

 

--

Bill

Gateway Celeron M 370 (1.5GHZ)

MX6124 (laptop) w/2GB

Windows XP Home SP2 (120GB HD)

Intel® 910GML (64MB shared)

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: ASR without full backup in XP

 

 

"Tony" <news@t-onywoolf.co.uk> wrote in message

news:kxVok.42446$E41.22617@text.news.virginmedia.com...

>I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3. But it

>seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole contents of my C

>drive.

 

Yes, that is its entire purpose.

> It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared Documents", so I would

> need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is fine if you have a tape

> drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't. But I already have full

> backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All I need from ASR is the

> system files. So, can I stop the ASR wizard backing up "My Documents" and

> "Shared Documents"?

 

Not without moving those folders, or their contents, to another drive.

> Or is there another way to be able to get the system working again if all

> goes wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document backup and system

> backup are not the same thing after all.

 

Personally, and I know many others who do this, I use Acronis TrueImage in

two ways.

 

First:

I create an image of the system drive on an external disk.

I create a scheduled task to update that image, once a month. Yes, this

also takes any data on the system drive. But this part is incremental,

something ASR and ntbackup can't do, so the increment image is much smaller

than the original.

 

Second:

I use the Backup functions of TrueImage to save the data / email / settings.

Then I schedule another incremental backup of those, which runs daily.

 

In the case of the system cratering, the Acronis boot CD will allow me to

restore the system image, and then restore the latest data and settings.

And it won't require a floppy.

 

If you don't want ASR (or any imaging software) to backup your data, you

have to keep the data on another drive.

 

HTH

-pk

> --

> Tony W

> My e-mail address has no hyphen

> - but please don't use it, reply to the group.

>

[Guest BillW50]

Re: ASR without full backup in XP

 

In news:eHvY0%23j$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,

Patrick Keenan typed on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:58:11 -0400:

> "Tony" <news@t-onywoolf.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:kxVok.42446$E41.22617@text.news.virginmedia.com...

>> I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3. But it

>> seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole

>> contents of my C drive.

>

> Yes, that is its entire purpose.

>

>> It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared Documents", so I

>> would need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is fine if you

>> have a tape drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't. But I

>> already have full backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All

>> I need from ASR is the system files. So, can I stop the ASR wizard

>> backing up "My Documents" and "Shared Documents"?

>

> Not without moving those folders, or their contents, to another

> drive.

>> Or is there another way to be able to get the system working again

>> if all goes wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document

>> backup and system backup are not the same thing after all.

>

> Personally, and I know many others who do this, I use Acronis

> TrueImage in two ways.

>

> First:

> I create an image of the system drive on an external disk.

> I create a scheduled task to update that image, once a month. Yes, this

> also takes any data on the system drive. But this part is

> incremental, something ASR and ntbackup can't do, so the increment

> image is much smaller than the original.

>

> Second:

> I use the Backup functions of TrueImage to save the data / email /

> settings. Then I schedule another incremental backup of those, which

> runs daily.

> In the case of the system cratering, the Acronis boot CD will allow

> me to restore the system image, and then restore the latest data and

> settings. And it won't require a floppy.

>

> If you don't want ASR (or any imaging software) to backup your data,

> you have to keep the data on another drive.

 

For starters, my ntbackup *does* incremental backups! And before you use

something like Acronis TrueImage, you better be sure it actually works. I

mean replace your hard drive with a fresh hard drive and make sure the thing

actually works! You will be surprised how many make backups and then learn

when their hard drive fails that things like Acronis TrueImage was set wrong

or simply doesn't work at all. And no! If you don't use ASR or other imaging

software, it doesn't have to be on another drive.

 

--

Bill

Black Asus EEE PC 4GB 2GB SoDIMM Adata 16GB

Windows XP SP2 and Xandros Linux

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: ASR without full backup in XP

 

 

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:uQuX1pk$IHA.2244@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> In news:eHvY0%23j$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,

> Patrick Keenan typed on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:58:11 -0400:

>> "Tony" <news@t-onywoolf.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:kxVok.42446$E41.22617@text.news.virginmedia.com...

>>> I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3. But it

>>> seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole

>>> contents of my C drive.

>>

>> Yes, that is its entire purpose.

>>

>>> It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared Documents", so I

>>> would need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is fine if you

>>> have a tape drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't. But I

>>> already have full backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All

>>> I need from ASR is the system files. So, can I stop the ASR wizard

>>> backing up "My Documents" and "Shared Documents"?

>>

>> Not without moving those folders, or their contents, to another

>> drive.

>>> Or is there another way to be able to get the system working again

>>> if all goes wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document

>>> backup and system backup are not the same thing after all.

>>

>> Personally, and I know many others who do this, I use Acronis

>> TrueImage in two ways.

>>

>> First:

>> I create an image of the system drive on an external disk.

>> I create a scheduled task to update that image, once a month. Yes,

>> this also takes any data on the system drive. But this part is

>> incremental, something ASR and ntbackup can't do, so the increment

>> image is much smaller than the original.

>>

>> Second:

>> I use the Backup functions of TrueImage to save the data / email /

>> settings. Then I schedule another incremental backup of those, which

>> runs daily.

>> In the case of the system cratering, the Acronis boot CD will allow

>> me to restore the system image, and then restore the latest data and

>> settings. And it won't require a floppy.

>>

>> If you don't want ASR (or any imaging software) to backup your data,

>> you have to keep the data on another drive.

>

> For starters, my ntbackup *does* incremental backups! And before you use

> something like Acronis TrueImage, you better be sure it actually works. I

> mean replace your hard drive with a fresh hard drive and make sure the

> thing actually works! You will be surprised how many make backups and then

> learn when their hard drive fails that things like Acronis TrueImage was

> set wrong or simply doesn't work at all.

 

One might note that the very same complaint is often made about ntbackup.

You'll find lots of posts from people it just didn't work for.

 

I've used TrueImage for years, and installed it on many client systems, and

it's been very reliable, and much easier to use than ntbackup. And it

doesn't require floppies.

 

Absolutely, whatever method you use, you must verify that the backups work,

and not rely on a single copy.

 

But with things like TrueImage, you can simply mount the backup and open the

files, you don't have to restore to anywhere.

 

-pk

 

> And no! If you don't use ASR or other imaging software, it doesn't have to

> be on another drive.

>

> --

> Bill

> Black Asus EEE PC 4GB 2GB SoDIMM Adata 16GB

> Windows XP SP2 and Xandros Linux

>

[Guest BillW50]

Re: ASR without full backup in XP

 

In news:Ooay8Ll$IHA.5192@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,

Patrick Keenan typed on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:16:13 -0400:

> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message

> news:uQuX1pk$IHA.2244@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> In news:eHvY0%23j$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,

>> Patrick Keenan typed on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:58:11 -0400:

>>> "Tony" <news@t-onywoolf.co.uk> wrote in message

>>> news:kxVok.42446$E41.22617@text.news.virginmedia.com...

>>>> I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3.

>>>> But it seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole

>>>> contents of my C drive.

>>>

>>> Yes, that is its entire purpose.

>>>

>>>> It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared Documents", so

>>>> I would need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is fine if you

>>>> have a tape drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't. But I

>>>> already have full backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All I

>>>> need from ASR is the system files. So, can I stop the ASR wizard

>>>> backing up "My Documents" and "Shared Documents"?

>>>

>>> Not without moving those folders, or their contents, to another

>>> drive.

>>>> Or is there another way to be able to get the system working again

>>>> if all goes wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document

>>>> backup and system backup are not the same thing after all.

>>>

>>> Personally, and I know many others who do this, I use Acronis

>>> TrueImage in two ways.

>>>

>>> First:

>>> I create an image of the system drive on an external disk.

>>> I create a scheduled task to update that image, once a month. Yes,

>>> this also takes any data on the system drive. But this part

>>> is incremental, something ASR and ntbackup can't do, so the

>>> increment image is much smaller than the original.

>>>

>>> Second:

>>> I use the Backup functions of TrueImage to save the data / email /

>>> settings. Then I schedule another incremental backup of those, which

>>> runs daily.

>>> In the case of the system cratering, the Acronis boot CD will allow

>>> me to restore the system image, and then restore the latest data and

>>> settings. And it won't require a floppy.

>>>

>>> If you don't want ASR (or any imaging software) to backup your

>>> data, you have to keep the data on another drive.

>>

>> For starters, my ntbackup *does* incremental backups! And before you

>> use something like Acronis TrueImage, you better be sure it actually

>> works. I mean replace your hard drive with a fresh hard drive and

>> make sure the thing actually works! You will be surprised how many

>> make backups and then learn when their hard drive fails that things

>> like Acronis TrueImage was set wrong or simply doesn't work at all.

>

> One might note that the very same complaint is often made about

> ntbackup. You'll find lots of posts from people it just didn't work

> for.

> I've used TrueImage for years, and installed it on many client

> systems, and it's been very reliable, and much easier to use than

> ntbackup. And it doesn't require floppies.

>

> Absolutely, whatever method you use, you must verify that the backups

> work, and not rely on a single copy.

>

> But with things like TrueImage, you can simply mount the backup and

> open the files, you don't have to restore to anywhere.

>

>> And no! If you don't use ASR or other imaging software, it doesn't

>> have to be on another drive.

 

Same with my method. I simply mount the backup and there are all of the

files. I simply bootup BartPE (which is free for Windows XP users) on a

stick and I can copy whatever one to whatever two. And virtually anything

can be read by whatever two. It could be another Windows XP machine, a

Linux, a Mac, or even a Commodore machine. No TrueImage required.

 

--

Bill

Black Asus EEE PC 4GB 2GB SoDIMM Adata 16GB

Windows XP SP2 and Xandros Linux

[Guest Linda]

RE: ASR without full backup in XP

 

Hello,

I am in the same situation as Tony. My desktop processor is AMD Anthlon runs

Windows XP Pro. I would like to update to SVP 3 and has to do a ASR to

backup system files etc. According to the Help and support all I need is ONE

floppy 1.44mb to save system setting and a media to contain backup file. But

when the ASR start, it write all the data part on my pc floppy drive. I

thought ASR would be smart enough to just write the system setting in the

floppy and prompt me for another media type for the other data. I have to

cancel ASR as there is not enough room on the floppy disk.

I wonder if there is a way to go around it.

Linda Tseng

 

 

 

 

"Tony" wrote:

> I want to create an ASR in case of problems when installing SP3. But it

> seems that ASR insists on copying pretty well the whole contents of my C

> drive. It certainly does all of "My Documents" and "Shared Documents", so I

> would need media capable of holding 50+ GB. This is fine if you have a tape

> drive or a spare HD installed, which I don't. But I already have full

> backups of my own data on DVD and USB drive. All I need from ASR is the

> system files. So, can I stop the ASR wizard backing up "My Documents" and

> "Shared Documents"? Or is there another way to be able to get the system

> working again if all goes wrong? What do other folks do? Personal document

> backup and system backup are not the same thing after all.

> --

> Tony W

> My e-mail address has no hyphen

> - but please don't use it, reply to the group.

>

>

>