Guest Teflon Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 OK, I can't believe it, but I finally have Win98SE installed and running / looking exactly the way I want. Now, before I mess something up, I'd like to make a ???? of the whole thing so that if I, or something else, throws a monkey wrench in the works, I can just Reformat C:\, copy this ???? to C:\, reboot and all is just as it was when I created the ????. Sorry for the ????'s, but I am a little confused about what you call the ???? I'm after. Lots of threads - lots of conflicting use of the various terms and terminology. I have used Win98SE's native Backup facility to back up C:\, but I assume this only backed up the data, and not the System info. I do have Norton Ghost as well as Acronis True Image. Which one should I use to create the ???? ? Can I create the ???? on a USB 8GB Flash Drive? Will I be able to accomplish my re-loadable / rebootable objective from the Flash Drive? The reason for the Flash Drive is that's all I've got that is external, formatted FAT32 and works on the Win98SE USB 2.0 port. All my big external HDD's are on my XP system and formatted NTFS. I would expect to put a copy of the ???? on one of those drives for safe keeping.
Guest o-forro Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? I've had great success using Drive Snapshot - the working demo is good for 30 days - and it will work from an ordinary boot floppy. Another alternative, is Drive Image XML, http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm, but you will need to run it from a CD with Bart-PE installed. Good luck! -- o-forro ------------------------------------------------------------------------ o-forro's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/members/o-forro.htm View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/troubleshoot-98/1020605.htm http://forums.techarena.in
Guest Peter Keller Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? Teflon wrote: > OK, I can't believe it, but I finally have Win98SE installed and > running / looking exactly the way I want. Now, before I mess > something up, I'd like to make a ???? of the whole thing so that if I, > or something else, throws a monkey wrench in the works, I can just > Reformat C:\, copy this ???? to C:\, reboot and all is just as it was > when I created the ????. > > Sorry for the ????'s, but I am a little confused about what you call > the ???? I'm after. Lots of threads - lots of conflicting use of the > various terms and terminology. > > I have used Win98SE's native Backup facility to back up C:\, but I > assume this only backed up the data, and not the System info. I do > have Norton Ghost as well as Acronis True Image. > > Which one should I use to create the ???? ? > > Can I create the ???? on a USB 8GB Flash Drive? > > Will I be able to accomplish my re-loadable / rebootable objective > from the Flash Drive? > > The reason for the Flash Drive is that's all I've got that is > external, formatted FAT32 and works on the Win98SE USB 2.0 port. All > my big external HDD's are on my XP system and formatted NTFS. > > I would expect to put a copy of the ???? on one of those drives for > safe keeping. > Windows backup will back-up your entire C drive. However Windows copy does not preserve short file names and backup cannot be run outside of Windows. You say you have Acronis True Image and Norton Ghost, but you are asking how to use them? Sounds fishy. Anyway here is a link to Partition Saving. It's completely free and has extensive documentation : http://damien.guibouret.free.fr/en/index_frame.html.
Guest Bob Harris Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? You probably want to make a "disk image" or perhaps a "partition image". If you have one big C: drive, then the two types of images are almost the same. However, the disk image will also contain the master boot record, whereas the partition image may not. In either case, make a compressed image to save space. I have used both GHOST and TrueImage for years, and have come to prefer TrueImage. But, the most recent GHOST might be betteer than the last one I tried (GHOST 2003). In any event, to detemrine whether you can use the USB drive requires that you (1) try to make an image on it, (2) try to "see" the image, WITHOUT using windows 98. Step (1) is obvious. Step (2) is needed to assure that the bootable media provided by the backup vendor (in the case of modern GHOST), or made by the user (in the case of TrueImage or older GHOST), can see both the backup media (USB) as well as the internal hard drive. My guess is that any GHOST less than 2003 will fail to see the USB drive, and even 2003 may be unreliable about seeing some USB devices. TrueImage version 7 or higher should see most/all USB devices, if you connect them BEFORE booting from the recovery CD. Manuals for both products are available as PDF file from their respective manufacturers. "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b88b5f6c-267e-4831-a32f-5ed55865a467@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > OK, I can't believe it, but I finally have Win98SE installed and > running / looking exactly the way I want. Now, before I mess > something up, I'd like to make a ???? of the whole thing so that if I, > or something else, throws a monkey wrench in the works, I can just > Reformat C:\, copy this ???? to C:\, reboot and all is just as it was > when I created the ????. > > Sorry for the ????'s, but I am a little confused about what you call > the ???? I'm after. Lots of threads - lots of conflicting use of the > various terms and terminology. > > I have used Win98SE's native Backup facility to back up C:\, but I > assume this only backed up the data, and not the System info. I do > have Norton Ghost as well as Acronis True Image. > > Which one should I use to create the ???? ? > > Can I create the ???? on a USB 8GB Flash Drive? > > Will I be able to accomplish my re-loadable / rebootable objective > from the Flash Drive? > > The reason for the Flash Drive is that's all I've got that is > external, formatted FAT32 and works on the Win98SE USB 2.0 port. All > my big external HDD's are on my XP system and formatted NTFS. > > I would expect to put a copy of the ???? on one of those drives for > safe keeping. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? Presuming you have no intentions of updating the image regularly (if what you really want is a long term preservation of the existing partition), AND you have a recordable CD or DVD drive, then download BootIt New Generation, (aka BootIt NG, aka BING) from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm 1. Extract the contents of the ZIP file to a new folder. 2. In that folder, run bootitng.exe to create a floppy installation disk, 3. Boot to the floppy disk, wait for it to load, then click Cancel when prompted to install. 4. Click on Partition Work, click on CDz at left, then check to see that the writable CD drive is listed. 5. Click back on HD 0 (assuming that's where your Win98 partition is) then on the partition that is your Win98 installation, then click on Image at right. 6. Go to CDz on left and then highlight the CD or DVD writer, then click Paste. If you need more than one disc, you will be guided through that process. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b88b5f6c-267e-4831-a32f-5ed55865a467@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > OK, I can't believe it, but I finally have Win98SE installed and > running / looking exactly the way I want. Now, before I mess > something up, I'd like to make a ???? of the whole thing so that if I, > or something else, throws a monkey wrench in the works, I can just > Reformat C:\, copy this ???? to C:\, reboot and all is just as it was > when I created the ????. > > Sorry for the ????'s, but I am a little confused about what you call > the ???? I'm after. Lots of threads - lots of conflicting use of the > various terms and terminology. > > I have used Win98SE's native Backup facility to back up C:\, but I > assume this only backed up the data, and not the System info. I do > have Norton Ghost as well as Acronis True Image. > > Which one should I use to create the ???? ? > > Can I create the ???? on a USB 8GB Flash Drive? > > Will I be able to accomplish my re-loadable / rebootable objective > from the Flash Drive? > > The reason for the Flash Drive is that's all I've got that is > external, formatted FAT32 and works on the Win98SE USB 2.0 port. All > my big external HDD's are on my XP system and formatted NTFS. > > I would expect to put a copy of the ???? on one of those drives for > safe keeping. >
Guest Don Phillipson Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b88b5f6c-267e-4831-a32f-5ed55865a467@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > OK, I can't believe it, but I finally have Win98SE installed and > running / looking exactly the way I want. Now, before I mess > something up, I'd like to make a ???? of the whole thing so that if I, > or something else, throws a monkey wrench in the works, I can just > Reformat C:\, copy this ???? to C:\, reboot and all is just as it was > when I created the ????. This can be done using the "clone" parameters of XXCopy from http://www.xxcopy.com, which is documented in great detail (e.g. command lines for a first complete clone copy, and then later updates that copy only changed or new files.) Brute force recoveries can be made from an XXCopy clone. I use for this purpose PowerDesk because its copy function is less restricted than Windows's copy function. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
Guest Teflon Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? On Aug 14, 2:51 pm, Peter Keller <petekel...@comcast.net> wrote: > Windows backup will back-up your entire C drive. However Windows copy does > not preserve short file names and backup cannot be run outside of Windows.. > > You say you have Acronis True Image and Norton Ghost, but you are asking > how to use them? Sounds fishy. Fishy? Holy Mackeral, there Andy. Ghost was part of a Norton 2 app deal, and TrueImage was a Free offering. I've never used either because my Win98 machine did not have any kind of media burner (except a 3.5" floppy) and the small HDD, partitioned C:\ & D:\ , didn't have any room for backups. When I got SE installed with USB 2.0, I got the Flash drive operating and now have a medium to Backup, Image, Clone or Ghost the system. My question really was, 'which one should I get educated on and start using?' As the posts to this thread demonstrate, there are a variety of confusing opinions and options in this area. I'm just trying to sort out backups, versus images, versus clones, and the best way to get the one I need. As always, I appreciate the input of all who responded, and will take a little from each to get the job done. Thanks especially to Ron whose guidance put me on the right track to recover from being blindsided by BitDefender and finally getting SE stable. Now I want to be able to quickly recover from anything.
Guest Lil' Dave Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 Re: Backup, Image, Clone, Ghost???? "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b88b5f6c-267e-4831-a32f-5ed55865a467@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > OK, I can't believe it, but I finally have Win98SE installed and > running / looking exactly the way I want. Now, before I mess > something up, I'd like to make a ???? of the whole thing so that if I, > or something else, throws a monkey wrench in the works, I can just > Reformat C:\, copy this ???? to C:\, reboot and all is just as it was > when I created the ????. > > Sorry for the ????'s, but I am a little confused about what you call > the ???? I'm after. Lots of threads - lots of conflicting use of the > various terms and terminology. > > I have used Win98SE's native Backup facility to back up C:\, but I > assume this only backed up the data, and not the System info. I do > have Norton Ghost as well as Acronis True Image. > > Which one should I use to create the ???? ? > > Can I create the ???? on a USB 8GB Flash Drive? > > Will I be able to accomplish my re-loadable / rebootable objective > from the Flash Drive? > > The reason for the Flash Drive is that's all I've got that is > external, formatted FAT32 and works on the Win98SE USB 2.0 port. All > my big external HDD's are on my XP system and formatted NTFS. > > I would expect to put a copy of the ???? on one of those drives for > safe keeping. > You don't clone something unless you expect to be able to boot from that cloned storage device. Most imaging softwares recognize NTFS within their own application for storing images. Most of the "newer" imaging and cloning softwares recognize USB/Firewire and such attached storage devices. That is, when booting from said imaging or cloning software boot media. -- Dave
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