Guest Dan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd So, how close are we really now to George Orwell's 1984 in 2008 with security video cameras around, digital passports, new driver licenses, etc. How much freedom will we give up as Americans for security or will we trust in a higher power for true internal safety rather than a fascade of external security. As you can see, both are needed and important but the true strength and rock comes from within and not from without. Riddle this and Riddle that mind you all. "DaffyD®" wrote: > Home and cell phone numbers... > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:umEgzpHAJHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > Bad Gary, no cookies for you! ;-) > > You forgot to tell "learningfast15" to also include his SSN and bank > account and > > routing number...... > > -- > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > > http://dts-l.net/ > > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > > news:O4$SuVEAJHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > Yeah, no problem. Just post your name and mailing address. > > > -- > > > Gary S. Terhune > > > MS-MVP Shell/User > > > http://grystmill.com > > > > > > "learningfast15" <learningfast15@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > message > > > news:26E6D29A-307E-46AF-A89B-875A97EDAEEE@microsoft.com... > > >>I was wondering how i could find a copy of the Windows 98 SE > Installation CD > > >> for free. Can one of you send me a disc image or tell me a website or > > >> somthing. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > >
Guest Dan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Exactly, shall we take a guess that Slow Learner is just say 15 years old --- hence his due --- to the outburst and post <I guess> nickname. Sincerity and Flattery do indeed help in this day and age as in most days and ages. <grin> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: > Look, SlowLearner15... Let me spell it out clear as I can: What you are > doing is soliciting a crime in public, on permanent public record, and in > the immediate presence of the corporate person upon whom you intend to > perpetrate said crime. > > Go buy a copy for $40 on EBay. Or go steal one. But quit being a total > dunce. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "learningfast15" <learningfast15@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B58ABA40-6DF8-4EA1-A668-89A9FCAE8282@microsoft.com... > > > > > > "learningfast15" wrote: > > > >> I was wondering how i could find a copy of the Windows 98 SE Installation > >> CD > >> for free. Can one of you send me a disc image or tell me a website or > >> somthing. thanks. > > > > > > guys, i don't want you to send me a physical copy, idiots!!!! i just want > > to know where i can obtain one for free or if any of you "helpful > > professionals" could come up with the knowledge of creating a digital disc > > image for me to burn. if u can, ill give you my email. > > >
Guest Dan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Why doesn't the op just contact Microsoft -- they have always been helpful to me and still are very helpful to me although I have points of disagreement with them and agree with Chris Quirke's mvp's stance on the issue of things to do with external security and internal safety. Heck, if the op wants a free os then why not just go with Ubuntu Linux and Mozilla Firefox which are both free and legal. In addition, perhaps the op has some friends who no longer use Windows 98 Second Edition and have a cd that they will give to him and transfer the license and cd to him and thus provide op with needed solution. <him is just a guess and if it is a her then kindly respond so we can all clear matters up and not be under a Blue Cloud of Confusion> "Ingeborg" wrote: > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > > > Explain please? Where in the world is it not a crime to distribute > > pirated copies of Windows? Have some countries decided that it's > > totally OK, or maybe they split the difference and greatly shortened > > the amount of time copyright applies to software? I've heard that the > > EU has done some changing of EULAs, but are they universally applied > > or do the special rules only apply to MS, or what? > > > > I'll not talk about Iran. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_copyright_issues> > > The OP asks for an image of a CD. He doesn't mention, but he can have a > license, and have lost or scratched his CD, or even never have had a CD, > because he bought his computer with a licensed windows preinstalled without > CD. In this case (if he has a license), AFAIK it's legal here in Europe to > get a copy of the CD elsewhere. MS doesn't provide W98 CD's anymore, but > that doesn't mean your license is void when you lost your CD. > > >
Guest Dan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Exactly, Ebay last time I checked was around $75 up from $50 for a full retail copy of Windows 98 Second Edition. I guess 98 Second Edition is becomming popular again what with Dan K's research and DNS Pollution everywhere. "Lil' Dave" wrote: > "learningfast15" <learningfast15@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:26E6D29A-307E-46AF-A89B-875A97EDAEEE@microsoft.com... > >I was wondering how i could find a copy of the Windows 98 SE Installation > >CD > > for free. Can one of you send me a disc image or tell me a website or > > somthing. thanks. > > You can make your own free copy when you buy the original. (Only make one > copy). Prices seem to start from 46 for OEM full version, and 89 for retail > full version. That's U.S. dollars. Ebay may be less expensive. > > Only the person in possession of the license for, and in possession of the > original installation CD, may make a backup copy of that original. That is, > one copy only. You may also make an ISO copy, as long as only one physical > CD backup copy of the original exists at any one time. > -- > Dave > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd But it *is* in contravention of the EULA, even in Europe, to make unlawful copies and distribute them. I didn't say the OP would necessarily be committing a crime by using such a copy. My point was that the legitimate owner would be doing so by providing the copy. The act of distributing an illicit copy of the software is called "piracy". I doubt even Europe managed to ditch that part of the EULA. That is the crime that I was speaking of, which crime the OP is *soliciting*, which, at least in the US, is itself a crime. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9AFF71CDE2AB1abinvalid@217.21.244.90... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > >> Explain please? Where in the world is it not a crime to distribute >> pirated copies of Windows? Have some countries decided that it's >> totally OK, or maybe they split the difference and greatly shortened >> the amount of time copyright applies to software? I've heard that the >> EU has done some changing of EULAs, but are they universally applied >> or do the special rules only apply to MS, or what? >> > > I'll not talk about Iran. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_copyright_issues> > > The OP asks for an image of a CD. He doesn't mention, but he can have a > license, and have lost or scratched his CD, or even never have had a CD, > because he bought his computer with a licensed windows preinstalled > without > CD. In this case (if he has a license), AFAIK it's legal here in Europe to > get a copy of the CD elsewhere. MS doesn't provide W98 CD's anymore, but > that doesn't mean your license is void when you lost your CD. > >
Guest Buffalo Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Gary S. Terhune wrote: > But it *is* in contravention of the EULA, even in Europe, to make > unlawful copies and distribute them. I didn't say the OP would > necessarily be committing a crime by using such a copy. My point was > that the legitimate owner would be doing so by providing the copy. > The act of distributing an illicit copy of the software is called > "piracy". I doubt even Europe managed to ditch that part of the EULA. > > That is the crime that I was speaking of, which crime the OP is > *soliciting*, which, at least in the US, is itself a crime. I thought that anyone could borrow or get a copy of a Win98 cd from anyone as long as they their own legal product key. Is that not correct? Isn't it the product key that is covered by EULA?
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Nope. Regardless of "accepted practices" the EULA generally limits what a person may make copies of *for_their_own_use* and how many, as backups and not for any other purpose. Depending on the version of the installation media, it may be used to install multiple machines under some Volume Licensing or Multiple Activation licensing scheme. And no, you aren't just buying a license with the media to fulfill it, you are buying the entire package, a copy of the software and license, as a unit, and that unit is what's covered by the EULA. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message news:xMednZAGGdpvgTHVnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com... > > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> But it *is* in contravention of the EULA, even in Europe, to make >> unlawful copies and distribute them. I didn't say the OP would >> necessarily be committing a crime by using such a copy. My point was >> that the legitimate owner would be doing so by providing the copy. >> The act of distributing an illicit copy of the software is called >> "piracy". I doubt even Europe managed to ditch that part of the EULA. >> >> That is the crime that I was speaking of, which crime the OP is >> *soliciting*, which, at least in the US, is itself a crime. > > I thought that anyone could borrow or get a copy of a Win98 cd from anyone > as long as they their own legal product key. > Is that not correct? Isn't it the product key that is covered by EULA? > >
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Dan. Hi! :) Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He is no doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may sometimes forget that many folk who come here (to what they *percieve* to be Microsoft help sites) do so when they have (to them) a major disaster happening in their lives. From reading many posts, in many groups, I'm quite sure that most 'new' posters will have little or no clue as to how they 'should' conduct their enquiries. Experienced folk (MVP's in particular) should not, in my opinion, take advantage of the ignorance of those posting for the first time. I'm all for a little humour ......... but not at the expense of the young and/or naive. FWIW Dave -- "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:85CE35AE-ACC4-4026-AAFD-CEC2AD98B5FF@microsoft.com... > Please no fighting and it is just not worth it --- remember we are talking > about computers aka machines -- smile > > "~BD~" wrote: > >> Gary - WHY did you post that reply? >> >> Did it make you feel good? Important? >> >> Have you forgotten that you are a representative of those who have been >> granted the MVP status? (But who knows for sure?!!) >> >> @ learningfast15 .................. Do NOT post your name and address >> here! >> >> Try your friends and/or eBay for a Windows 98 SE Installation CD. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:O4$SuVEAJHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> > Yeah, no problem. Just post your name and mailing address. >> > -- >> > Gary S. Terhune >> > MS-MVP Shell/User >> > http://grystmill.com >> > >> > "learningfast15" <learningfast15@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> > message news:26E6D29A-307E-46AF-A89B-875A97EDAEEE@microsoft.com... >> >>I was wondering how i could find a copy of the Windows 98 SE >> >>Installation >> >>CD >> >> for free. Can one of you send me a disc image or tell me a website or >> >> somthing. thanks. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >
Guest someone@someplace.com Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +0100, "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote: >Dan. Hi! :) > >Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He is no >doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may sometimes forget >that many folk who come here (to what they *percieve* to be Microsoft help >sites) do so when they have (to them) a major disaster happening in their >lives. Gary is what they call a cyber bully. He delights in getting people pissed off and does so repeatedly in this and other newsgroups. He apparently achieves some sort of orgasm from attacking others online. Even if he does know the answer, before he replies, he will belittle the person he is responding to, to make himself look like a "big man". In real life he's most likely a miserable loser who has no friends and no life, so he trolls the newsgroups, as a cyber bully, to make himself feel important. For more information about Cyber Bullies, go here: http://stopbullyingnow.hrsa.gov/adult/indexAdult.asp?Area=cyberbullying The best advice to everyone, is to add Gary S. Terhune to their killfile, and after enough people ignore him, he'll vanish. I'd guess that most of the "adults" on this group have already killfiled him.
Guest Buffalo Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Nope. Regardless of "accepted practices" the EULA generally limits > what a person may make copies of *for_their_own_use* and how many, as > backups and not for any other purpose. Depending on the version of > the installation media, it may be used to install multiple machines > under some Volume Licensing or Multiple Activation licensing scheme. > And no, you aren't just buying a license with the media to fulfill > it, you are buying the entire package, a copy of the software and > license, as a unit, and that unit is what's covered by the EULA. > > > "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:xMednZAGGdpvgTHVnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com... Learn something new everyday. Thanks PS: I don't think anyone would bother you if you borrowed a Win98Se cd from another person and used your own key, but I may be wrong. I really can't understand why making as many Win98SE cds as you want is not allowed as long as the 'key' is not provided. Perhaps the reason is that there are 'key' generators out there. Again, thanks for the clarification.
Guest Buffalo Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd someone@someplace.com wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +0100, "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >> Dan. Hi! :) >> >> Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He >> is no doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may >> sometimes forget that many folk who come here (to what they >> *percieve* to be Microsoft help sites) do so when they have (to >> them) a major disaster happening in their lives. > > Gary is what they call a cyber bully. He delights in getting people > pissed off and does so repeatedly in this and other newsgroups. He > apparently achieves some sort of orgasm from attacking others online. > Even if he does know the answer, before he replies, he will belittle > the person he is responding to, to make himself look like a "big man". > In real life he's most likely a miserable loser who has no friends and > no life, so he trolls the newsgroups, as a cyber bully, to make > himself feel important. > > For more information about Cyber Bullies, go here: > http://stopbullyingnow.hrsa.gov/adult/indexAdult.asp?Area=cyberbullying > > The best advice to everyone, is to add Gary S. Terhune to their > killfile, and after enough people ignore him, he'll vanish. > > I'd guess that most of the "adults" on this group have already > killfiled him. I doubt that last statement completely. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. Gary (he or she) has been more sarcastic this year than in the past, but so be it. Most still still learn from Terhune. Buffalo
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd This, from a coward with no name. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <someone@someplace.com> wrote in message news:a2ooa4tqbfebflpnfcbju12hp8lg9bb5vs@4ax.com... > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +0100, "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >>Dan. Hi! :) >> >>Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He is no >>doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may sometimes forget >>that many folk who come here (to what they *percieve* to be Microsoft help >>sites) do so when they have (to them) a major disaster happening in their >>lives. > > Gary is what they call a cyber bully. He delights in getting people > pissed off and does so repeatedly in this and other newsgroups. He > apparently achieves some sort of orgasm from attacking others online. > Even if he does know the answer, before he replies, he will belittle > the person he is responding to, to make himself look like a "big man". > In real life he's most likely a miserable loser who has no friends and > no life, so he trolls the newsgroups, as a cyber bully, to make > himself feel important. > > For more information about Cyber Bullies, go here: > http://stopbullyingnow.hrsa.gov/adult/indexAdult.asp?Area=cyberbullying > > The best advice to everyone, is to add Gary S. Terhune to their > killfile, and after enough people ignore him, he'll vanish. > > I'd guess that most of the "adults" on this group have already > killfiled him.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd The uneducated OP learned that this is not the place to solicit piracy. That's all I care about. And maybe to think things through before posting such a stupid request. If he didn't know it was a stupid request, he needed to be taught so. Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with sarcasm when it gets the point across. It's not as if I insulted him (except, I suppose, by renaming him, but even that was in the same spirit -- get his attention.) We're getting a LOT of babies using Win98 these days, and they grew up, for the most part, learning lots of illegal computer activities and think nothing of it. If he's going to be stupid from the outset, he's going to get whacked with the cluestick. Maybe it will keep him out of worse situations in the future, when he grows up a few ore years and see all his friends doing other, equally safe but equally illegal things. Maybe keep him out of jail.. Lastly, if you'll read the entire thread, a lot was explained about piracy and if the OP actually bothered to read any of the replies, he's learned. About piracy, about sarcasm about humor, you name it. Otherwise, that's his loss. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:euAgSStAJHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Dan. Hi! :) > > Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He is no > doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may sometimes forget > that many folk who come here (to what they *percieve* to be Microsoft help > sites) do so when they have (to them) a major disaster happening in their > lives. > > From reading many posts, in many groups, I'm quite sure that most 'new' > posters will have little or no clue as to how they 'should' conduct their > enquiries. > > Experienced folk (MVP's in particular) should not, in my opinion, take > advantage of the ignorance of those posting for the first time. > > I'm all for a little humour ......... but not at the expense of the young > and/or naive. > > FWIW > > Dave > > -- > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:85CE35AE-ACC4-4026-AAFD-CEC2AD98B5FF@microsoft.com... >> Please no fighting and it is just not worth it --- remember we are >> talking >> about computers aka machines -- smile >> >> "~BD~" wrote: >> >>> Gary - WHY did you post that reply? >>> >>> Did it make you feel good? Important? >>> >>> Have you forgotten that you are a representative of those who have been >>> granted the MVP status? (But who knows for sure?!!) >>> >>> @ learningfast15 .................. Do NOT post your name and address >>> here! >>> >>> Try your friends and/or eBay for a Windows 98 SE Installation CD. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:O4$SuVEAJHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> > Yeah, no problem. Just post your name and mailing address. >>> > -- >>> > Gary S. Terhune >>> > MS-MVP Shell/User >>> > http://grystmill.com >>> > >>> > "learningfast15" <learningfast15@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >>> > message news:26E6D29A-307E-46AF-A89B-875A97EDAEEE@microsoft.com... >>> >>I was wondering how i could find a copy of the Windows 98 SE >>> >>Installation >>> >>CD >>> >> for free. Can one of you send me a disc image or tell me a website >>> >> or >>> >> somthing. thanks. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > >
Guest Lil' Dave Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd And what proof does anyone have that I'm the same person normally using this screen name?. Let alone someone who's never posted here before. Best not go down that road. Gary, was it? -- Dave "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:u4vdBBxAJHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > This, from a coward with no name. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > <someone@someplace.com> wrote in message > news:a2ooa4tqbfebflpnfcbju12hp8lg9bb5vs@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +0100, "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>Dan. Hi! :) >>> >>>Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He is >>>no >>>doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may sometimes >>>forget >>>that many folk who come here (to what they *percieve* to be Microsoft >>>help >>>sites) do so when they have (to them) a major disaster happening in their >>>lives. >> >> Gary is what they call a cyber bully. He delights in getting people >> pissed off and does so repeatedly in this and other newsgroups. He >> apparently achieves some sort of orgasm from attacking others online. >> Even if he does know the answer, before he replies, he will belittle >> the person he is responding to, to make himself look like a "big man". >> In real life he's most likely a miserable loser who has no friends and >> no life, so he trolls the newsgroups, as a cyber bully, to make >> himself feel important. >> >> For more information about Cyber Bullies, go here: >> http://stopbullyingnow.hrsa.gov/adult/indexAdult.asp?Area=cyberbullying >> >> The best advice to everyone, is to add Gary S. Terhune to their >> killfile, and after enough people ignore him, he'll vanish. >> >> I'd guess that most of the "adults" on this group have already >> killfiled him. > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd Nobody does care. We're just talking about technicalities, here. And you don't need to use your own number, you can use any one that will work. Microsoft does not keep track of Win98 installations and couldn't care less about them anymore. However, it *is* illegal, in contravention of the legal document called the EULA, to "borrow" someone else's disk, or give someone else a copy. It's a question of personal morals more than anything else. The fact that you're never likely to face any consequences doesn't make it OK in any way, shape or form. Heck, I often recommend borrowing a friend's CD if yours is lost, but only after making sure you don't already have what you need, and not for a clean install, only as a source of installation files for installing hardware, reinstalling components, etc.. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message news:F4GdnSZ35JBpHTHVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@comcast.com... > > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Nope. Regardless of "accepted practices" the EULA generally limits >> what a person may make copies of *for_their_own_use* and how many, as >> backups and not for any other purpose. Depending on the version of >> the installation media, it may be used to install multiple machines >> under some Volume Licensing or Multiple Activation licensing scheme. >> And no, you aren't just buying a license with the media to fulfill >> it, you are buying the entire package, a copy of the software and >> license, as a unit, and that unit is what's covered by the EULA. >> >> >> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:xMednZAGGdpvgTHVnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com... > > Learn something new everyday. > Thanks > PS: I don't think anyone would bother you if you borrowed a Win98Se cd > from > another person and used your own key, but I may be wrong. I really can't > understand why making as many Win98SE cds as you want is not allowed as > long > as the 'key' is not provided. Perhaps the reason is that there are 'key' > generators out there. > Again, thanks for the clarification. > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 Re: Win 98 se cd To spoof you, the person would have to be using dial-up with the following company: OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc. OrgID: LVLT Address: 1025 Eldorado Blvd. City: Broomfield StateProv: CO PostalCode: 80021 Country: US NetRange: 4.0.0.0 - 4.255.255.255 CIDR: 4.0.0.0/8 NetName: LVLT-ORG-4-8 NetHandle: NET-4-0-0-0-1 Parent: NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.LEVEL3.NET NameServer: NS2.LEVEL3.NET Comment: RegDate: Updated: 2004-06-04 To spoof me, they'd have to be using one of the following DSL servers: AT&T Internet Services SBCIS-SIS80 (NET-69-104-0-0-1) 69.104.0.0 - 69.111.255.255 PPPoX Pool Rback2.chic01.pbi.net SBC069104052000031201 (NET-69-104-52-0-1) 69.104.52.0 - 69.104.53.255 Yes, there are occasional changes in the NNTP HOST line in my posts, but not often. And in my case, since I use DSL and seldom change IP address or host server, you seldom see *any* change in that line in my headers. In short, if I were to suspect that you aren't the Lil' Dave that usually uses that handle, all I have to do is to read all headers from Lil' Dave however far back in time I feel is necessary, and get at least a fairly good idea. Of course, you might occasionally post from Google Groups or even Microsoft Communities or one of the other web interfaces, or even from someone else's computer, but only the scoundrels tend to show much change in that particular line of their headers. Somone@somplace.com is a coward who almost certainly DOES post to this newsgroup and/or others I frequent, just under a different name or names and who perhaps always uses aioe.org to post but might have only done so for this instance. Such a person's headers are easily spoofed. A person who seems to know me well enough to provide a long analysis, yet that same person hasn't posted at all in the last thirty days in any of the groups I post to. In fact, according to Google Groups, this alias has never been used. So we are obviously dealing with a person whom I have either blocked and changed name just to harrass me, or is otherwise someone I'm familiar with who doesn't want me to know their normal identity. Whatever, the person is a COWARD! -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message news:u8mU6JxAJHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > And what proof does anyone have that I'm the same person normally using > this screen name?. Let alone someone who's never posted here before. > Best not go down that road. Gary, was it? > > -- > Dave > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:u4vdBBxAJHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> This, from a coward with no name. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> <someone@someplace.com> wrote in message >> news:a2ooa4tqbfebflpnfcbju12hp8lg9bb5vs@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +0100, "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Dan. Hi! :) >>>> >>>>Gary should know better than to be sarcastic in this environment. He is >>>>no >>>>doubt, like me, getting a bit 'long in the tooth' and may sometimes >>>>forget >>>>that many folk who come here (to what they *percieve* to be Microsoft >>>>help >>>>sites) do so when they have (to them) a major disaster happening in >>>>their >>>>lives. >>> >>> Gary is what they call a cyber bully. He delights in getting people >>> pissed off and does so repeatedly in this and other newsgroups. He >>> apparently achieves some sort of orgasm from attacking others online. >>> Even if he does know the answer, before he replies, he will belittle >>> the person he is responding to, to make himself look like a "big man". >>> In real life he's most likely a miserable loser who has no friends and >>> no life, so he trolls the newsgroups, as a cyber bully, to make >>> himself feel important. >>> >>> For more information about Cyber Bullies, go here: >>> http://stopbullyingnow.hrsa.gov/adult/indexAdult.asp?Area=cyberbullying >>> >>> The best advice to everyone, is to add Gary S. Terhune to their >>> killfile, and after enough people ignore him, he'll vanish. >>> >>> I'd guess that most of the "adults" on this group have already >>> killfiled him. >> >> > >
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