Guest LL0945 Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage approx 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear wg311v3 pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G and is about a further 20 ft away (in the house). I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the unit near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although not all points are turned on all the time! I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a yagi antenna to the netgear card. So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high hopes. Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem and the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any suggestions would be appreciated. LL
Guest MEB Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se Make sure you have setup the *same* key and encryption [WEP, WPA, etc.], and check firewalls {if any, and should be} throughout the network. Put all computers in the same workgroup with common share names and passwords, and within the same IP range.. The metal/iron building is a major blockage to wireless. If at all possible, put the antenna in/near a window which is closest to the base unit or mount the yagi on the exterior.. What does the connection strength show? IF you have checked the above: Have you run any testing like ping or otherwise? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:602E6C42-4176-4CF5-AADC-A50A499F9942@microsoft.com... | I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage approx | 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear wg311v3 | pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G and is | about a further 20 ft away (in the house). | | I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I | therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works | brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the unit | near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power | point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although not | all points are turned on all the time! | | I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a | yagi antenna to the netgear card. | | So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high hopes. | Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem and | the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any | suggestions would be appreciated. | | LL |
Guest MEB Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se I should have asked, did you build the yagi or are you attempting to use one from a HAM or CB setup {i.e.., are you sure its correct for the frequency range?}? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ux0TEHQBJHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | | | Make sure you have setup the *same* key and encryption [WEP, WPA, etc.], and | check firewalls {if any, and should be} throughout the network. Put all | computers in the same workgroup with common share names and passwords, and | within the same IP range.. | The metal/iron building is a major blockage to wireless. If at all | possible, put the antenna in/near a window which is closest to the base unit | or mount the yagi on the exterior.. | | What does the connection strength show? | | IF you have checked the above: Have you run any testing like ping or | otherwise? | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | news:602E6C42-4176-4CF5-AADC-A50A499F9942@microsoft.com... | | I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage approx | | 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear | wg311v3 | | pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G and | is | | about a further 20 ft away (in the house). | | | | I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I | | therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works | | brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the unit | | near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power | | point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although | not | | all points are turned on all the time! | | | | I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a | | yagi antenna to the netgear card. | | | | So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high | hopes. | | Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem and | | the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any | | suggestions would be appreciated. | | | | LL | | | |
Guest LL0945 Posted August 24, 2008 Posted August 24, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. I'm not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, that the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but will not connect. I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 has AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to see if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the little turbo plug that I am having problems. I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be something there somewhere that I'm not aware of. I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and yagi is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try placing it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that machine? Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to be connected at same time) All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! Thanks, LL "MEB" wrote: > I should have asked, did you build the yagi or are you attempting to use > one from a HAM or CB setup {i.e.., are you sure its correct for the > frequency range?}? > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ux0TEHQBJHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | Make sure you have setup the *same* key and encryption [WEP, WPA, etc.], > and > | check firewalls {if any, and should be} throughout the network. Put all > | computers in the same workgroup with common share names and passwords, and > | within the same IP range.. > | The metal/iron building is a major blockage to wireless. If at all > | possible, put the antenna in/near a window which is closest to the base > unit > | or mount the yagi on the exterior.. > | > | What does the connection strength show? > | > | IF you have checked the above: Have you run any testing like ping or > | otherwise? > | > | -- > | MEB > | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | -- > | _________ > | > | > | > | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > | news:602E6C42-4176-4CF5-AADC-A50A499F9942@microsoft.com... > | | I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage > approx > | | 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear > | wg311v3 > | | pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G > and > | is > | | about a further 20 ft away (in the house). > | | > | | I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I > | | therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works > | | brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the > unit > | | near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power > | | point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although > | not > | | all points are turned on all the time! > | | > | | I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a > | | yagi antenna to the netgear card. > | | > | | So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high > | hopes. > | | Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem > and > | | the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any > | | suggestions would be appreciated. > | | > | | LL > | | > | > | > > >
Guest Jeff Richards Posted August 24, 2008 Posted August 24, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or using the aerial. What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually happening? -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. > I'm > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, > that > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but > will > not connect. > > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 > has > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? > > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to > see > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the > little turbo plug that I am having problems. > > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be > something > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. > > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and > yagi > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try > placing > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that > machine? > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to > be > connected at same time) > > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! > > Thanks, LL
Guest MEB Posted August 24, 2008 Posted August 24, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or | using the aerial. | | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually | happening? | -- | Jeff Richards | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. | > I'm | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, | > that | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but | > will | > not connect. | > Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note: Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6 "points"you now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to work together with the same encryption and key and other that I previously mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from your original setup. By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks? IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be shown by the identifier}, and block the rest. Might also want to look at the IP configurations. | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 | > has | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? The XP firewall may still be setup for the old devices/adapters/network, remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time [in samll home networks] when networking issues crop up. | > | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to | > see | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the | > little turbo plug that I am having problems. The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable XP firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the Internet without protection beyond the hardware. | > | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be | > something | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking issue does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully updated? | > | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and | > yagi | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try | > placing | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that | > machine? Sure, I prefer static through-out the network. | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to | > be | > connected at same time) Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic. | > | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! | > | > Thanks, LL | | That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times. Here's some info: http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest LL0945 Posted August 24, 2008 Posted August 24, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se The PC98 connects fine to the Netgear Router and internet. However, signal strength only one or two. Hence why I am trying to boost reception in shed using the Netcomm Homeplug NP290W combo. I'll take your suggestion on board and move the whole kit into home to see what I can do. Just that doing this is a pain! I just can't work out why the pc is OK with Netgear but not with Netcomm booster plug. Thanks for your suggestion - may not get to it today LL "Jeff Richards" wrote: > Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the > connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when > the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or > using the aerial. > > What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are > you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually > happening? > -- > Jeff Richards > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... > > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. > > I'm > > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, > > that > > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be > > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was > > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet > > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm > > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but > > will > > not connect. > > > > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two > > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup > > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set > > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 > > has > > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? > > > > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am > > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to > > see > > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the > > little turbo plug that I am having problems. > > > > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP > > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be > > something > > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. > > > > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and > > yagi > > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try > > placing > > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem > > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that > > machine? > > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to > > be > > connected at same time) > > > > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! > > > > Thanks, LL > > >
Guest LL0945 Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se I do not have a network set up, just the two computers to log into internet when they so wish. I got onto internet in shed this morning, and had first disconnected the added turbo homeplugs. The signal strength was only 1 or two in the netgear wizard. So internet dropped out before doing much. However, nice clear day today so thought it would work. Tried the wireless antenna closer to window but didn't improve. B y the way, I am connected fine inside with other XP computer to the wireless turbo plug. My signal strength showing in the netgear wizard is full. What I was trying to say previously, that out in the shed when I had the turbo plug connected inside, the netgear signal points were up to 5. Perhaps the weather conditions are a factor and I should wait for the next clear day to try again. Ran out of time today. If I can't connect on a clear day, I'll haul the computer inside and try. I'll let you know what happens within the next day or two. One other thing, you know how you can R click on the little icon and 'repair' in XP. Is there anything similar you can do in Windows98 to repair whatever it is that XP succeeds in doing? LL "MEB" wrote: > > > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message > news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the > | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when > | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or > | using the aerial. > | > | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What > are > | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is > actually > | happening? > | -- > | Jeff Richards > | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... > | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. > | > I'm > | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, > | > that > | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should > be > | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was > | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet > | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a > netcomm > | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but > | > will > | > not connect. > | > > > Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note: > Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6 "points"you > now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to > work together with the same encryption and key and other that I previously > mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from your > original setup. > > By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many > nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks? > > IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be shown by > the identifier}, and block the rest. > > Might also want to look at the IP configurations. > > | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two > | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at > workgroup > | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set > | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 > | > has > | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? > > The XP firewall may still be setup for the old devices/adapters/network, > remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time [in > samll home networks] when networking issues crop up. > > | > > | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am > | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to > | > see > | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the > | > little turbo plug that I am having problems. > > The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable XP > firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the > Internet without protection beyond the hardware. > > | > > | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on > XP > | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be > | > something > | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. > > Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking issue > does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test > resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully > updated? > > | > > | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and > | > yagi > | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try > | > placing > | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem > | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that > | > machine? > > Sure, I prefer static through-out the network. > > | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely > to > | > be > | > connected at same time) > > Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic. > > | > > | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! > | > > | > Thanks, LL > | > | > > That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times. > > Here's some info: > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > >
Guest MEB Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:895540D8-7D3E-4FCD-8994-0DE303794E24@microsoft.com... | I do not have a network set up, just the two computers to log into internet | when they so wish. I got onto internet in shed this morning, and had first | disconnected the added turbo homeplugs. The signal strength was only 1 or two | in the netgear wizard. So internet dropped out before doing much. However, | nice clear day today so thought it would work. | | Tried the wireless antenna closer to window but didn't improve. B y the way, | I am connected fine inside with other XP computer to the wireless turbo plug. | My signal strength showing in the netgear wizard is full. | | What I was trying to say previously, that out in the shed when I had the | turbo plug connected inside, the netgear signal points were up to 5. Perhaps | the weather conditions are a factor and I should wait for the next clear day | to try again. Ran out of time today. If I can't connect on a clear day, I'll | haul the computer inside and try. | | I'll let you know what happens within the next day or two. | | One other thing, you know how you can R click on the little icon and | 'repair' in XP. Is there anything similar you can do in Windows98 to repair | whatever it is that XP succeeds in doing? | | LL Oh, so you were referring to the signal strength, got it. 9X has no repair per se, that's were complete network removal and re-installation comes into play as I previously mentioned. XP's repair just "cleans up" some of the network settings. It does not repair.major issues. Again, you *MUST setup the network*, particularly as you now have two access point units/networks to connect to. netcomm NP290W http://www.netcomm.com.au/products/ethernetoverpower/np290w Netgear DG834G http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/GWirelessRouters/DG834G.aspx?detail=Specifications Make sure you re-check which you are configured to connect with in your wireless PCI Netgear wg311v3 setup and that ALL required settings have been followed. Take particular note of what must be done when there are more than one access point. ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/wg311v3_manual_12feb07.pdf Continuing to attempt to ignore potential setup issues will NOT bring satisfaction. Please re-read the help suggestions. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | | "MEB" wrote: | | > | > | > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message | > news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the | > | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when | > | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or | > | using the aerial. | > | | > | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What | > are | > | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is | > actually | > | happening? | > | -- | > | Jeff Richards | > | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) | > | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | > | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... | > | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. | > | > I'm | > | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, | > | > that | > | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should | > be | > | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was | > | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet | > | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a | > netcomm | > | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but | > | > will | > | > not connect. | > | > | > | > Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note: | > Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6 "points"you | > now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to | > work together with the same encryption and key and other that I previously | > mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from your | > original setup. | > | > By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many | > nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks? | > | > IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be shown by | > the identifier}, and block the rest. | > | > Might also want to look at the IP configurations. | > | > | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two | > | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at | > workgroup | > | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set | > | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 | > | > has | > | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? | > | > The XP firewall may still be setup for the old devices/adapters/network, | > remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time [in | > samll home networks] when networking issues crop up. | > | > | > | > | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am | > | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to | > | > see | > | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the | > | > little turbo plug that I am having problems. | > | > The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable XP | > firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the | > Internet without protection beyond the hardware. | > | > | > | > | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on | > XP | > | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be | > | > something | > | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. | > | > Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking issue | > does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test | > resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully | > updated? | > | > | > | > | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and | > | > yagi | > | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try | > | > placing | > | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem | > | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that | > | > machine? | > | > Sure, I prefer static through-out the network. | > | > | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely | > to | > | > be | > | > connected at same time) | > | > Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic. | > | > | > | > | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! | > | > | > | > Thanks, LL | > | | > | | > | > That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times. | > | > Here's some info: | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > | > | >
Guest MEB Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se BTW: You have a network even though the two computers are not networked. You are networking with the access points [2 wireless routers] AND the modem/router [Netgear DG834G] and Internet.... sometimes a difficult concept to understand. You also must have the Netcomm NP290W properly connected to the Netgear DG834G [which is apparently your Internet/DSL connection] and properly configured. Make absolutely sure you have EVERYTHING setup properly. Re-check my Networking page for more information. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest LL0945 Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se OK thanks for suggestions. Looks like I do need a lesson in networking!. Tried to get into your networking site, but couldn't. Will try again - just got to a web hosting message. But I definitely want to read up on it. Just to let you know I succeeded this am for a short time to connect through the plug on the w98 machine, but when I restarted, all was not well again!. I will print all this info out to study it properly, try to get onto your networking site again and study that. Will let you know how I get on and whether I have further questions. If I can't get onto your networking site, what other ones might be useful to me? "MEB" wrote: > > > "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:895540D8-7D3E-4FCD-8994-0DE303794E24@microsoft.com... > | I do not have a network set up, just the two computers to log into > internet > | when they so wish. I got onto internet in shed this morning, and had first > | disconnected the added turbo homeplugs. The signal strength was only 1 or > two > | in the netgear wizard. So internet dropped out before doing much. However, > | nice clear day today so thought it would work. > | > | Tried the wireless antenna closer to window but didn't improve. B y the > way, > | I am connected fine inside with other XP computer to the wireless turbo > plug. > | My signal strength showing in the netgear wizard is full. > | > | What I was trying to say previously, that out in the shed when I had the > | turbo plug connected inside, the netgear signal points were up to 5. > Perhaps > | the weather conditions are a factor and I should wait for the next clear > day > | to try again. Ran out of time today. If I can't connect on a clear day, > I'll > | haul the computer inside and try. > | > | I'll let you know what happens within the next day or two. > | > | One other thing, you know how you can R click on the little icon and > | 'repair' in XP. Is there anything similar you can do in Windows98 to > repair > | whatever it is that XP succeeds in doing? > | > | LL > > Oh, so you were referring to the signal strength, got it. > > 9X has no repair per se, that's were complete network removal and > re-installation comes into play as I previously mentioned. > > XP's repair just "cleans up" some of the network settings. It does not > repair.major issues. > > > Again, you *MUST setup the network*, particularly as you now have two > access point units/networks to connect to. > > netcomm NP290W > http://www.netcomm.com.au/products/ethernetoverpower/np290w > > Netgear DG834G > http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/GWirelessRouters/DG834G.aspx?detail=Specifications > > Make sure you re-check which you are configured to connect with in your > wireless PCI Netgear wg311v3 setup and that ALL required settings have been > followed. Take particular note of what must be done when there are more than > one access point. > ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/wg311v3_manual_12feb07.pdf > > Continuing to attempt to ignore potential setup issues will NOT bring > satisfaction. Please re-read the help suggestions. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > | > | "MEB" wrote: > | > | > > | > > | > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message > | > news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting > the > | > | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only > when > | > | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed > or > | > | using the aerial. > | > | > | > | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? > What > | > are > | > | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is > | > actually > | > | happening? > | > | -- > | > | Jeff Richards > | > | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > | > | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > | > | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... > | > | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing > store. > | > | > I'm > | > | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think > is, > | > | > that > | > | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless > should > | > be > | > | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I > was > | > | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet > | > | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a > | > netcomm > | > | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, > but > | > | > will > | > | > not connect. > | > | > > | > > | > Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note: > | > Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6 > "points"you > | > now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to > | > work together with the same encryption and key and other that I > previously > | > mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from > your > | > original setup. > | > > | > By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many > | > nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks? > | > > | > IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be > shown by > | > the identifier}, and block the rest. > | > > | > Might also want to look at the IP configurations. > | > > | > | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the > two > | > | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at > | > workgroup > | > | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't > set > | > | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the > 98 > | > | > has > | > | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? > | > > | > The XP firewall may still be setup for the old > devices/adapters/network, > | > remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time > [in > | > samll home networks] when networking issues crop up. > | > > | > | > > | > | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but > I am > | > | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any > security to > | > | > see > | > | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach > the > | > | > little turbo plug that I am having problems. > | > > | > The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable > XP > | > firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the > | > Internet without protection beyond the hardware. > | > > | > | > > | > | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times > on > | > XP > | > | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be > | > | > something > | > | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. > | > > | > Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking > issue > | > does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test > | > resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully > | > updated? > | > > | > | > > | > | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, > and > | > | > yagi > | > | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try > | > | > placing > | > | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the > problem > | > | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that > | > | > machine? > | > > | > Sure, I prefer static through-out the network. > | > > | > | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are > unlikely > | > to > | > | > be > | > | > connected at same time) > | > > | > Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic. > | > > | > | > > | > | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! > | > | > > | > | > Thanks, LL > | > | > | > | > | > > | > That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times. > | > > | > Here's some info: > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm > | > > | > -- > | > MEB > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > > | > > | > > > >
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Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com [if it were a US company, guess who would be suing them? <VBEG>] MEB wrote: > You're right, those apparently ignorant, dimwitted, sh** for brains > running > the service, have again put blocks on MORE of the pages. > > Here's my recommendations for the services called *FreeWebHostingArea.com > and Orgfree.com = STAY AWAY FROM THESE SERVICES,. DO NOT USE THESE > SERVICES* > for any site that might hold important materials or anything of *real > value* > to the people of the world. > > FreeWebHostingArea.com > FWHA - () > +36.575435455 > Fax: +36.575435456 > Maroczi ut. > Budapest, P 1118 > HU > > webmaster@orgfreemail.com > webmaster@orgfree.com > freehostsupport@hostdepartment.com > > Over the course of the five years in which I have used this orgfree.com > service, I have had numerous issues with page removals and blocking due to > the inability and shear in incompetence of the operators of the service. > The > responsiveness of the operators has been worse than dismal, it has been > done > in a fashion of complete ignorance of worldly affairs. They STILL don't > get > that it is/was an *anchor site* via which Google and other search engines > were forced to crawl even when the service held no other site which would > not be sandboxed or ignored due to the materials on those sites. > Here's a general question: When did this type of stupidity become the norm > for the world? > > > Here's another recommendation: ANYTIME some moron from protonhosting.com > suggests that they know anything about web hosting, site development, > search > engine optimization, web page design and development; be assured, these > people know nothing of relevance.... > > > -- > MEB
Guest LL0945 Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se Major problem encountered and computer has had to be taken to the local computer shop. Encountered fatal error and blue screen of death. So they have discovered bad memory as well as suspect video card. While it is there I am going to upgrade it to windows 2000 and hope this will eliminate all my problems. Before computer collapsed, I had run winipcfg and did connect after renewing and refreshing. But while in there, also discovered remnant host name for old dialup account. However, never got to experiment further. This may have had something to do with my problems. May have to let you know how I get on with windows 2000! LL "LL0945" wrote: > The PC98 connects fine to the Netgear Router and internet. However, signal > strength only one or two. Hence why I am trying to boost reception in shed > using the Netcomm Homeplug NP290W combo. I'll take your suggestion on board > and move the whole kit into home to see what I can do. Just that doing this > is a pain! > > I just can't work out why the pc is OK with Netgear but not with Netcomm > booster plug. > > Thanks for your suggestion - may not get to it today > > LL > > "Jeff Richards" wrote: > > > Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the > > connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when > > the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or > > using the aerial. > > > > What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are > > you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually > > happening? > > -- > > Jeff Richards > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > > "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com... > > > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. > > > I'm > > > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, > > > that > > > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be > > > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was > > > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet > > > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm > > > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but > > > will > > > not connect. > > > > > > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two > > > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup > > > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set > > > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 > > > has > > > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue? > > > > > > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am > > > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to > > > see > > > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the > > > little turbo plug that I am having problems. > > > > > > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP > > > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be > > > something > > > there somewhere that I'm not aware of. > > > > > > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and > > > yagi > > > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try > > > placing > > > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem > > > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that > > > machine? > > > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to > > > be > > > connected at same time) > > > > > > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!! > > > > > > Thanks, LL > > > > > >
Guest MEB Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Wireless and Windows98se "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1A5DB261-A0A1-4793-9AC9-D4CABCAFDAC1@microsoft.com... | Major problem encountered and computer has had to be taken to the local | computer shop. Encountered fatal error and blue screen of death. So they have | discovered bad memory as well as suspect video card. While it is there I am | going to upgrade it to windows 2000 and hope this will eliminate all my | problems. | | Before computer collapsed, I had run winipcfg and did connect after renewing | and refreshing. But while in there, also discovered remnant host name for old | dialup account. However, never got to experiment further. This may have had | something to do with my problems. | | May have to let you know how I get on with windows 2000! | | LL Keep us informed... I not sure why what you described had any effect on the wireless setup. But its obviously too late now. I hope the repair shop is competent and you trust them. -- MEB -- _________
Guest MEB Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com Responded but it didn't make it by MS filters, so its on Google Groups. -- MEB -- _________ "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:O%233kUT9BJHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | [if it were a US company, guess who would be suing them? <VBEG>] | | MEB wrote: | > You're right, those apparently ignorant, dimwitted, sh** for brains | > running | > the service, have again put blocks on MORE of the pages. | > | > Here's my recommendations for the services called *FreeWebHostingArea.com | > and Orgfree.com = STAY AWAY FROM THESE SERVICES,. DO NOT USE THESE | > SERVICES* | > for any site that might hold important materials or anything of *real | > value* | > to the people of the world. | > | > FreeWebHostingArea.com | > FWHA - () | > +36.575435455 | > Fax: +36.575435456 | > Maroczi ut. | > Budapest, P 1118 | > HU | > | > webmaster@orgfreemail.com | > webmaster@orgfree.com | > freehostsupport@hostdepartment.com | > | > Over the course of the five years in which I have used this orgfree.com | > service, I have had numerous issues with page removals and blocking due to | > the inability and shear in incompetence of the operators of the service. | > The | > responsiveness of the operators has been worse than dismal, it has been | > done | > in a fashion of complete ignorance of worldly affairs. They STILL don't | > get | > that it is/was an *anchor site* via which Google and other search engines | > were forced to crawl even when the service held no other site which would | > not be sandboxed or ignored due to the materials on those sites. | > Here's a general question: When did this type of stupidity become the norm | > for the world? | > | > | > Here's another recommendation: ANYTIME some moron from protonhosting.com | > suggests that they know anything about web hosting, site development, | > search | > engine optimization, web page design and development; be assured, these | > people know nothing of relevance.... | > | > | > -- | > MEB |
Guest MEB Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com Oh this is really good;;; now this idiot has deliberately defaced the index page as if the site is some forum or USENET, with their own edited comments on the top of the page. Gees this makes it so easy... -- MEB -- _________ "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%2357uTfNCJHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Responded but it didn't make it by MS filters, so its on Google Groups. | | -- | MEB | -- | _________ | | | | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message | news:O%233kUT9BJHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | [if it were a US company, guess who would be suing them? <VBEG>] | | | | MEB wrote: | | > You're right, those apparently ignorant, dimwitted, sh** for brains | | > running | | > the service, have again put blocks on MORE of the pages. | | > | | > Here's my recommendations for the services called | *FreeWebHostingArea.com | | > and Orgfree.com = STAY AWAY FROM THESE SERVICES,. DO NOT USE THESE | | > SERVICES* | | > for any site that might hold important materials or anything of *real | | > value* | | > to the people of the world. | | > | | > FreeWebHostingArea.com | | > FWHA - () | | > +36.575435455 | | > Fax: +36.575435456 | | > Maroczi ut. | | > Budapest, P 1118 | | > HU | | > | | > webmaster@orgfreemail.com | | > webmaster@orgfree.com | | > freehostsupport@hostdepartment.com | | > | | > Over the course of the five years in which I have used this orgfree.com | | > service, I have had numerous issues with page removals and blocking due | to | | > the inability and shear in incompetence of the operators of the service. | | > The | | > responsiveness of the operators has been worse than dismal, it has been | | > done | | > in a fashion of complete ignorance of worldly affairs. They STILL don't | | > get | | > that it is/was an *anchor site* via which Google and other search | engines | | > were forced to crawl even when the service held no other site which | would | | > not be sandboxed or ignored due to the materials on those sites. | | > Here's a general question: When did this type of stupidity become the | norm | | > for the world? | | > | | > | | > Here's another recommendation: ANYTIME some moron from protonhosting.com | | > suggests that they know anything about web hosting, site development, | | > search | | > engine optimization, web page design and development; be assured, these | | > people know nothing of relevance.... | | > | | > | | > -- | | > MEB | | | |
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