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Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one. Cloned a new drive

as an external, replaced original internal with the new drive. Had some

problems (more on this later), decided to go back and reclone newer drive.

 

Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

 

Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long pause, "Primary

drive not found - Strike F1 to continue, F2 to run Setup Utility"

 

If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer shows

everything as it should be, Device Manager shows no problems, this device

working properly, etc., etc.

 

The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried jumpering as

master (only). No joy.

 

FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I have left out until

this present situation is straightened out.

 

Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

 

Dave

WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on ribbon end connector

position)

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Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

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"Dave" <djbahb@dcwis.com> wrote in message

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> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one. Cloned a new

> drive as an external, replaced original internal with the new drive. Had

> some problems (more on this later), decided to go back and reclone newer

> drive.

>

> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>

> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long pause,

> "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue, F2 to run Setup Utility"

>

> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer shows

> everything as it should be, Device Manager shows no problems, this device

> working properly, etc., etc.

>

> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried jumpering as

> master (only). No joy.

>

> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I have left out until

> this present situation is straightened out.

>

> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>

> Dave

> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on ribbon end connector

> position)

 

This is most likely a hardware question, not a Windows question: Does

the BIOS recognise the disk at boot time? If it does not, repost in a

hardware newsgroup.

Guest Dave

Guest Dave

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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

 

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

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>

> "Dave" <djbahb@dcwis.com> wrote in message

> news:OI2K8iWBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one. Cloned a new

>> drive as an external, replaced original internal with the new drive. Had

>> some problems (more on this later), decided to go back and reclone newer

>> drive.

>>

>> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>>

>> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long pause,

>> "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue, F2 to run Setup

>> Utility"

>>

>> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer shows

>> everything as it should be, Device Manager shows no problems, this device

>> working properly, etc., etc.

>>

>> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried jumpering as

>> master (only). No joy.

>>

>> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I have left out until

>> this present situation is straightened out.

>>

>> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>>

>> Dave

>> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on ribbon end connector

>> position)

>

> This is most likely a hardware question, not a Windows question: Does

> the BIOS recognise the disk at boot time? If it does not, repost in a

> hardware newsgroup.

I don't think it does. I'll try a hardware group

Thanks much

Dave

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

Posted
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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

"Dave" wrote:

> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

> Cloned a new drive as an external, replaced original internal

> with the new drive. Had some problems (more on this later),

> decided to go back and reclone newer drive.

>

> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>

> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long

> pause, "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue,

> F2 to run Setup Utility"

>

> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer

> shows everything as it should be, Device Manager shows

> no problems, this device working properly, etc., etc.

>

> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried

> jumpering as master (only). No joy.

>

> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I

> have left out until this present situation is straightened out.

>

> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>

> Dave

> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on

> ribbon end connector position)

 

When you cloned the internal HD to the external HD, did

you also clone the MBR, and did you clone the MBR back?

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest Mick Murphy

Guest Mick Murphy

Posted
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Anything to do with hit F1 to continue is in the set up of the BIOS.

If you have altered anything in Bios, write them down.

You can set it back to defaults in bios.

Also, it has been recommended to pull coin battery, reseat battery, reset

Bios.

--

Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

 

 

"Dave" wrote:

>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

> news:%234P0JqWBJHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >

> > "Dave" <djbahb@dcwis.com> wrote in message

> > news:OI2K8iWBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one. Cloned a new

> >> drive as an external, replaced original internal with the new drive. Had

> >> some problems (more on this later), decided to go back and reclone newer

> >> drive.

> >>

> >> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

> >>

> >> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long pause,

> >> "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue, F2 to run Setup

> >> Utility"

> >>

> >> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer shows

> >> everything as it should be, Device Manager shows no problems, this device

> >> working properly, etc., etc.

> >>

> >> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried jumpering as

> >> master (only). No joy.

> >>

> >> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I have left out until

> >> this present situation is straightened out.

> >>

> >> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

> >>

> >> Dave

> >> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on ribbon end connector

> >> position)

> >

> > This is most likely a hardware question, not a Windows question: Does

> > the BIOS recognise the disk at boot time? If it does not, repost in a

> > hardware newsgroup.

> I don't think it does. I'll try a hardware group

> Thanks much

> Dave

>

>

>

Guest Haz

Guest Haz

Posted
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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

Tim -

Don't know what you mean by MBR?

Dave (on another comp)

 

 

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

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> "Dave" wrote:

>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>> Cloned a new drive as an external, replaced original internal

>> with the new drive. Had some problems (more on this later),

>> decided to go back and reclone newer drive.

>>

>> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>>

>> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long

>> pause, "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue,

>> F2 to run Setup Utility"

>>

>> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer

>> shows everything as it should be, Device Manager shows

>> no problems, this device working properly, etc., etc.

>>

>> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried

>> jumpering as master (only). No joy.

>>

>> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I

>> have left out until this present situation is straightened out.

>>

>> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>>

>> Dave

>> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on

>> ribbon end connector position)

>

> When you cloned the internal HD to the external HD, did

> you also clone the MBR, and did you clone the MBR back?

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

Guest Haz

Guest Haz

Posted
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OK - I've been doing my homework on MBR. My original HD crashed when new, I

cleaned it and reinstalled everything. That probably means there is no MBR

on my original drive, therefore there isn't one on the cloned drive.

 

I can't even get my original HD to boot now, so I'm going to install a new

WinXP on an extra drive so I can work on the MBR thing.

Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Dave

 

 

"Haz" <a_burkhardt@dcwis.com> wrote in message

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> Tim -

> Don't know what you mean by MBR?

> Dave (on another comp)

>

>

>

> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

> news:eJkIxFZBJHA.4340@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> "Dave" wrote:

>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>> Cloned a new drive as an external, replaced original internal

>>> with the new drive. Had some problems (more on this later),

>>> decided to go back and reclone newer drive.

>>>

>>> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>>>

>>> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long

>>> pause, "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue,

>>> F2 to run Setup Utility"

>>>

>>> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer

>>> shows everything as it should be, Device Manager shows

>>> no problems, this device working properly, etc., etc.

>>>

>>> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried

>>> jumpering as master (only). No joy.

>>>

>>> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I

>>> have left out until this present situation is straightened out.

>>>

>>> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>>>

>>> Dave

>>> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on

>>> ribbon end connector position)

>>

>> When you cloned the internal HD to the external HD, did

>> you also clone the MBR, and did you clone the MBR back?

>>

>> *TimDaniels*

>>

>

>

Guest Twayne

Guest Twayne

Posted
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> OK - I've been doing my homework on MBR. My original HD crashed when

> new, I cleaned it and reinstalled everything. That probably means

> there is no MBR on my original drive, therefore there isn't one on

> the cloned drive.

> I can't even get my original HD to boot now, so I'm going to install

> a new WinXP on an extra drive so I can work on the MBR thing.

> Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Dave

 

I can't make out exactly what you mean there. MBR = Master Boot Record.

A computer can not boot without the MBR on the disk or if it's corrupted

or not right for the OS being used.

If you had a working, bootable disk, it has an MBR.

If you did an actual "clone" and not something else, the MBR went

with it.

 

One drive: usually use CS. Check mfg to see what jumper should be set

to.

If 2, one usually (not always) has to be set to Master, the other to

Slave. Hitachi for one is different; you have to check the drive mfg

for the jumper settings if it's not working and you don't know them.

Often the jumper settings are also on the back of the drive on the

label.

Then of course the BIOS must be set to recognize them as drive 0, or

0 and 1, etc., and on the correct IDE connector/cable.

 

Not sure what else to tell you right now.

 

HTH

 

>

>

> "Haz" <a_burkhardt@dcwis.com> wrote in message

> news:%23NnMyWiBJHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Tim -

>> Don't know what you mean by MBR?

>> Dave (on another comp)

>>

>>

>>

>> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

>> news:eJkIxFZBJHA.4340@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> "Dave" wrote:

>>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>>> Cloned a new drive as an external, replaced original internal

>>>> with the new drive. Had some problems (more on this later),

>>>> decided to go back and reclone newer drive.

>>>>

>>>> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>>>>

>>>> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long

>>>> pause, "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue,

>>>> F2 to run Setup Utility"

>>>>

>>>> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer

>>>> shows everything as it should be, Device Manager shows

>>>> no problems, this device working properly, etc., etc.

>>>>

>>>> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried

>>>> jumpering as master (only). No joy.

>>>>

>>>> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I

>>>> have left out until this present situation is straightened out.

>>>>

>>>> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>>>>

>>>> Dave

>>>> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on

>>>> ribbon end connector position)

>>>

>>> When you cloned the internal HD to the external HD, did

>>> you also clone the MBR, and did you clone the MBR back?

>>>

>>> *TimDaniels*

Guest Haz

Guest Haz

Posted
Posted

Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

Thanks -

Original HD was a 40G Hitachi, booted just fine as a primary, jumpers set to

CS. Had a second HD for backup. (Currently I'm leaving the second one out

just because of all this fooling around.) Put new WD320G as USB external

and cloned. If the Hitachi had an OK MBR, then I guess the WD320 does.

 

I put the Hitachi back internal (set as CS) as the only HD (on new IDE

cable, end connector). System won't boot. Pretty sure BIOS is right,

especially as to boot sequence and only one drive.

 

That's where I am now. Stumped !!!

 

Dave

 

"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message

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>> OK - I've been doing my homework on MBR. My original HD crashed when

>> new, I cleaned it and reinstalled everything. That probably means

>> there is no MBR on my original drive, therefore there isn't one on

>> the cloned drive.

>> I can't even get my original HD to boot now, so I'm going to install

>> a new WinXP on an extra drive so I can work on the MBR thing.

>> Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>>

>> Dave

>

> I can't make out exactly what you mean there. MBR = Master Boot Record. A

> computer can not boot without the MBR on the disk or if it's corrupted or

> not right for the OS being used.

> If you had a working, bootable disk, it has an MBR.

> If you did an actual "clone" and not something else, the MBR went with

> it.

>

> One drive: usually use CS. Check mfg to see what jumper should be set

> to.

> If 2, one usually (not always) has to be set to Master, the other to

> Slave. Hitachi for one is different; you have to check the drive mfg for

> the jumper settings if it's not working and you don't know them. Often the

> jumper settings are also on the back of the drive on the label.

> Then of course the BIOS must be set to recognize them as drive 0, or 0

> and 1, etc., and on the correct IDE connector/cable.

>

> Not sure what else to tell you right now.

>

> HTH

>

>

>>

>>

>> "Haz" <a_burkhardt@dcwis.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23NnMyWiBJHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Tim -

>>> Don't know what you mean by MBR?

>>> Dave (on another comp)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eJkIxFZBJHA.4340@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> "Dave" wrote:

>>>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>>>> Cloned a new drive as an external, replaced original internal

>>>>> with the new drive. Had some problems (more on this later),

>>>>> decided to go back and reclone newer drive.

>>>>>

>>>>> Removed new cloned drive, replace with original.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now when I boot with the original, I get, after a VERY long

>>>>> pause, "Primary drive not found - Strike F1 to continue,

>>>>> F2 to run Setup Utility"

>>>>>

>>>>> If I hit F1, the system continues to load just fine. Explorer

>>>>> shows everything as it should be, Device Manager shows

>>>>> no problems, this device working properly, etc., etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> The original HD was jumpered as cable select. Also tried

>>>>> jumpering as master (only). No joy.

>>>>>

>>>>> FWIW - originally, I had a second internal HD which I

>>>>> have left out until this present situation is straightened out.

>>>>>

>>>>> Any suggestions as to what's going on would be appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>> Dave

>>>>> WinXP SP2 Dell 3000 EIDE (internal HD currently on

>>>>> ribbon end connector position)

>>>>

>>>> When you cloned the internal HD to the external HD, did

>>>> you also clone the MBR, and did you clone the MBR back?

>>>>

>>>> *TimDaniels*

>

>

>

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

Posted
Posted

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"Dave" wrote:

> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

> Cloned a new drive as an external...

 

OK, back to basics.

 

1) What utility did you use to make the "clone".

 

2) Some utilities give you the option of copying the

MBR or not. Which kind do you have?

 

3) Did you tell it to copy a partition or all partitions,

i.e. the entire disk? (Some people, knowing that they

have just one partition, just copy the partition.)

 

4) Did it make an actual clone (a byte-for-byte copy),

or did it make an image file? (If it offered you the

option of compressing the result, it was an image file.)

 

5) Was the "external drive" a USB/Firewire drive or an

eSATA drive?

 

In short, you haven't told us enough to be able to really

help with a diagnosis.

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest Dave

Guest Dave

Posted
Posted

Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

Thank you Tim - I'll do my best

I'm back on my own comp again - I'll tell you how in a minute (not good)-

 

1) Data Lifeguard Tools CD which came with new Western Digital 320 G HD

2) I do not remember seeing that as an option

3) Copy the whole disk (which only shows 1 partition) Again, I don't recall

seeing that as a option

4) Good question - they never use the word 'clone' - just 'copy' (can't get

at the exact language right now) Don't recall seeing the word 'image'

either.

5) External drive was USB - this is an EIDE setup, all jumpers in Cable

Select

 

Now - the present status:

 

The system will come up one way, and one way only (and believe me I have

tried a lot of combinations):

1) Original HD (Hitachi 40G) as only internal - system recognizes it as

Local Disk (D:) 37.25 GB NTFS This is the disk which I originally cloned

FROM

2) Cloned HD (WD320G) as external, Computer Management recognizes it as

DRV4_VOL1 (C:), 298.09 GB NTFS.

 

I hadn't noticed the "VOL 1" notation on the 320G drive. Is that a clue to

what you are asking?

 

Anyway, I don't know what else to add, but I would greatly appreciate your

comments.

 

Dave

 

 

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

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> "Dave" wrote:

>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>> Cloned a new drive as an external...

>

> OK, back to basics.

>

> 1) What utility did you use to make the "clone".

>

> 2) Some utilities give you the option of copying the

> MBR or not. Which kind do you have?

>

> 3) Did you tell it to copy a partition or all partitions,

> i.e. the entire disk? (Some people, knowing that they

> have just one partition, just copy the partition.)

>

> 4) Did it make an actual clone (a byte-for-byte copy),

> or did it make an image file? (If it offered you the

> option of compressing the result, it was an image file.)

>

> 5) Was the "external drive" a USB/Firewire drive or an

> eSATA drive?

>

> In short, you haven't told us enough to be able to really

> help with a diagnosis.

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

Guest Dave

Guest Dave

Posted
Posted

Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

Tim - this is a PS to my last message, I'm back into the WD Lifeguard

Tools -

 

1)They refer to this as a "Drive-to-Drive Data Copy Tool"

2) The options are a)Drive-to-Drive Data Copy, b) Reformat Partitions and

c)Partition Unallocated Space

3) Selecting a), the only options are Source Path and Destination Path

 

Forgot to mention, on boot, the system is clearly booting on the external

USB drive.

 

FWIW

Dave

 

 

"Dave" <djbahb@dcwis.com> wrote in message

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> Thank you Tim - I'll do my best

> I'm back on my own comp again - I'll tell you how in a minute (not good)-

>

> 1) Data Lifeguard Tools CD which came with new Western Digital 320 G HD

> 2) I do not remember seeing that as an option

> 3) Copy the whole disk (which only shows 1 partition) Again, I don't

> recall seeing that as a option

> 4) Good question - they never use the word 'clone' - just 'copy' (can't

> get at the exact language right now) Don't recall seeing the word 'image'

> either.

> 5) External drive was USB - this is an EIDE setup, all jumpers in Cable

> Select

>

> Now - the present status:

>

> The system will come up one way, and one way only (and believe me I have

> tried a lot of combinations):

> 1) Original HD (Hitachi 40G) as only internal - system recognizes it as

> Local Disk (D:) 37.25 GB NTFS This is the disk which I originally cloned

> FROM

> 2) Cloned HD (WD320G) as external, Computer Management recognizes it as

> DRV4_VOL1 (C:), 298.09 GB NTFS.

>

> I hadn't noticed the "VOL 1" notation on the 320G drive. Is that a clue

> to what you are asking?

>

> Anyway, I don't know what else to add, but I would greatly appreciate your

> comments.

>

> Dave

>

>

>

> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

> news:%23SwM$kkBJHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> "Dave" wrote:

>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>> Cloned a new drive as an external...

>>

>> OK, back to basics.

>>

>> 1) What utility did you use to make the "clone".

>>

>> 2) Some utilities give you the option of copying the

>> MBR or not. Which kind do you have?

>>

>> 3) Did you tell it to copy a partition or all partitions,

>> i.e. the entire disk? (Some people, knowing that they

>> have just one partition, just copy the partition.)

>>

>> 4) Did it make an actual clone (a byte-for-byte copy),

>> or did it make an image file? (If it offered you the

>> option of compressing the result, it was an image file.)

>>

>> 5) Was the "external drive" a USB/Firewire drive or an

>> eSATA drive?

>>

>> In short, you haven't told us enough to be able to really

>> help with a diagnosis.

>>

>> *TimDaniels*

>>

>

>

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

Posted
Posted

Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

I took a look at the .pdf for the User Manual for Data Lifeguard Tools

on the Western Digital website, and it (the manual) is terrible. It refers

to copying a bootable hard drive, then it describes folder-to-folder

copying. Since the purpose of providing it is presumably to clone an

entire hard drive to another hard drive, it must be making a clone.

What does the new HD look like in the old HD's Disk Management

utility? Does the used space on the new HD equal the used space

on the old HD? That "DRV4_VOL1" is mysterious. If it refers to a

dynamic drive, I'm at a loss....

 

*TimDaniels*

 

 

"Dave" wrote:

> Thank you Tim - I'll do my best

> I'm back on my own comp again - I'll tell you how in a minute

> (not good)-

>

> 1) Data Lifeguard Tools CD which came with new Western Digital

> 320G HD

> 2) I do not remember seeing that as an option

> 3) Copy the whole disk (which only shows 1 partition) Again,

> I don't recall seeing that as a option

> 4) Good question - they never use the word 'clone' - just 'copy'

> (can't get at the exact language right now) Don't recall seeing

> the word 'image' either.

> 5) External drive was USB - this is an EIDE setup, all jumpers in

> Cable Select

>

> Now - the present status:

>

> The system will come up one way, and one way only (and believe me

> I have tried a lot of combinations):

> 1) Original HD (Hitachi 40G) as only internal - system recognizes it as Local

> Disk (D:) 37.25 GB NTFS This is the disk which I originally

> cloned FROM

> 2) Cloned HD (WD320G) as external, Computer Management recognizes

> it as DRV4_VOL1 (C:), 298.09 GB NTFS.

>

> I hadn't noticed the "VOL 1" notation on the 320G drive. Is that a clue to

> what you are asking?

>

> Anyway, I don't know what else to add, but I would greatly appreciate your

> comments.

>

> Dave

>

>

>

> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:

>> "Dave" wrote:

>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>> Cloned a new drive as an external...

>>

>> OK, back to basics.

>>

>> 1) What utility did you use to make the "clone".

>>

>> 2) Some utilities give you the option of copying the

>> MBR or not. Which kind do you have?

>>

>> 3) Did you tell it to copy a partition or all partitions,

>> i.e. the entire disk? (Some people, knowing that they

>> have just one partition, just copy the partition.)

>>

>> 4) Did it make an actual clone (a byte-for-byte copy),

>> or did it make an image file? (If it offered you the

>> option of compressing the result, it was an image file.)

>>

>> 5) Was the "external drive" a USB/Firewire drive or an

>> eSATA drive?

>>

>> In short, you haven't told us enough to be able to really

>> help with a diagnosis.

>>

>> *TimDaniels*

>>

>

>

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

"Dave" wrote:

> Tim - this is a PS to my last message, I'm back into the

> WD Lifeguard Tools -

>

> 1)They refer to this as a "Drive-to-Drive Data Copy Tool"

> 2) The options are

> a)Drive-to-Drive Data Copy,

> b) Reformat Partitions and c)Partition Unallocated Space

> 3) Selecting

> a), the only options are Source Path and Destination Path

>

> Forgot to mention, on boot, the system is clearly booting on the

> external USB drive.

>

> FWIW

> Dave

 

It sounds like you're letting the new clone "see" its "parent" OS

when it boots for the first time, i.e. they're both connected

during that initial boot of the clone. That may not be the cause

of your current problem, but that is a no-no. Only after the

clone has booted up successfully for its first run should the

clone be allowed to see its "parent".

 

As for ntldr, is it indeed there? It should be at X:\, where

"X" is the letter name of the clone's partition, i.e. just below

the root of the file system. Beside it should be boot.ini and

ntdetect.com. When you look at the clone with the old OS,

are those files there?

 

Is there indeed only one Primary partition on the clone's HD?

Is it marked "active" if there are other partitions? (You can

see this stuff using Disk Management. Get to Disk Management

by rt-clicking My Computer/select Manage/click Disk Management

in the Storage folder.)

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest Dave

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Tim -

>What does the new HD look like in the old HD's Disk Management utility?

As I noted before, Disk Management shows the Cloned HD (WD320G) as DRV4_VOL1

(C:), 298.09 GB NTFS.

Notice it did come out as drive C: - I thought that was progress :-)

>Does the used space on the new HD equal the used space on the old HD?

Using Computer Management routine, new HD is ~298.09G capacity, ~275.45GB

Free Space = 22.64G used

Old HD capacity 37.25GB, Free Space 16.17 GB = 21.08GB

That's pretty close, especially for WD

>That "DRV4_VOL1" is mysterious

 

I have no idea where that came from - was hoping you might tell me. FWIW, I

did quite a bit of inquiring about cloning on MS Newsgroups, and was told by

several that the WD routine was what I wanted and worked well for several

commenter's. Go figure!

 

I'm wondering if I should find some more specific cloning software and start

over. The only problem with that is that my comp will not boot on my old

drive for some reason. Assuming that means it is corrupt somehow, I don't

want to clone a corrupt drive.

 

I don't think my BIOS is helping. The only drive option I have for HD's is

the C: drive, and that's exactly what it's doing - booting on the C:, which

just happens to be the external cloned drive. I don't have any way to

change the BIOS to look directly for the D: drive. Also, there is no

default option on the BIOS. I have checked and found an update on the BIOS,

but Dell refers to it as 'optional' I believe the word was. I hate to start

that, since it just another change which I shouldn't need at least to get

back to where I was.

 

What to do?

Dave

 

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

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>I took a look at the .pdf for the User Manual for Data Lifeguard Tools

> on the Western Digital website, and it (the manual) is terrible. It

> refers

> to copying a bootable hard drive, then it describes folder-to-folder

> copying. Since the purpose of providing it is presumably to clone an

> entire hard drive to another hard drive, it must be making a clone.

> What does the new HD look like in the old HD's Disk Management

> utility? Does the used space on the new HD equal the used space

> on the old HD? That "DRV4_VOL1" is mysterious. If it refers to a

> dynamic drive, I'm at a loss....

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

>

> "Dave" wrote:

>> Thank you Tim - I'll do my best

>> I'm back on my own comp again - I'll tell you how in a minute

>> (not good)-

>>

>> 1) Data Lifeguard Tools CD which came with new Western Digital

>> 320G HD

>> 2) I do not remember seeing that as an option

>> 3) Copy the whole disk (which only shows 1 partition) Again,

>> I don't recall seeing that as a option

>> 4) Good question - they never use the word 'clone' - just 'copy'

>> (can't get at the exact language right now) Don't recall seeing

>> the word 'image' either.

>> 5) External drive was USB - this is an EIDE setup, all jumpers in

>> Cable Select

>>

>> Now - the present status:

>>

>> The system will come up one way, and one way only (and believe me

>> I have tried a lot of combinations):

>> 1) Original HD (Hitachi 40G) as only internal - system recognizes it as

>> Local Disk (D:) 37.25 GB NTFS This is the disk which I originally

>> cloned FROM

>> 2) Cloned HD (WD320G) as external, Computer Management recognizes

>> it as DRV4_VOL1 (C:), 298.09 GB NTFS.

>>

>> I hadn't noticed the "VOL 1" notation on the 320G drive. Is that a clue

>> to what you are asking?

>>

>> Anyway, I don't know what else to add, but I would greatly appreciate

>> your comments.

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

>>

>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:

>>> "Dave" wrote:

>>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>>> Cloned a new drive as an external...

>>>

>>> OK, back to basics.

>>>

>>> 1) What utility did you use to make the "clone".

>>>

>>> 2) Some utilities give you the option of copying the

>>> MBR or not. Which kind do you have?

>>>

>>> 3) Did you tell it to copy a partition or all partitions,

>>> i.e. the entire disk? (Some people, knowing that they

>>> have just one partition, just copy the partition.)

>>>

>>> 4) Did it make an actual clone (a byte-for-byte copy),

>>> or did it make an image file? (If it offered you the

>>> option of compressing the result, it was an image file.)

>>>

>>> 5) Was the "external drive" a USB/Firewire drive or an

>>> eSATA drive?

>>>

>>> In short, you haven't told us enough to be able to really

>>> help with a diagnosis.

>>>

>>> *TimDaniels*

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

Guest Dave

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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

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> "Dave" wrote:

>> Tim - this is a PS to my last message, I'm back into the

>> WD Lifeguard Tools -

>>

>> 1)They refer to this as a "Drive-to-Drive Data Copy Tool"

>> 2) The options are

>> a)Drive-to-Drive Data Copy,

>> b) Reformat Partitions and c)Partition Unallocated Space

>> 3) Selecting

>> a), the only options are Source Path and Destination Path

>>

>> Forgot to mention, on boot, the system is clearly booting on the

>> external USB drive.

>>

>> FWIW

>> Dave

>

> It sounds like you're letting the new clone "see" its "parent" OS

> when it boots for the first time, i.e. they're both connected

> during that initial boot of the clone. That may not be the cause

> of your current problem, but that is a no-no. Only after the

> clone has booted up successfully for its first run should the

> clone be allowed to see its "parent".

 

After I finished cloning originally, I moved the new drive to internal, and

disconnected the external. It booted up OK, but I got error messages that

the System Restore feature was corrupt. It was all down hill after that.

> As for ntldr, is it indeed there? It should be at X:\, where

> "X" is the letter name of the clone's partition, i.e. just below

> the root of the file system. Beside it should be boot.ini and

> ntdetect.com. When you look at the clone with the old OS,

> are those files there?

 

There is a boot.ini in the cloned drive, and a ntdetect.com

There is also an ntldr (I have no idea what that is)

The X and partition discussion I don't understand. I'm not sure yet if I

have more than one partition, everything I click on shows only one.

>

> Is there indeed only one Primary partition on the clone's HD?

> Is it marked "active" if there are other partitions? (You can

> see this stuff using Disk Management. Get to Disk Management

> by rt-clicking My Computer/select Manage/click Disk Management

> in the Storage folder.)

 

The only partition that shows there is marked ' healthy (active)'

The original HD is marked 'healthy (system)'

 

 

--

Dave Burkhardt

From the far north woods of Wisconsin

>

>

Guest Timothy Daniels

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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

"Dave" wrote:

> After I finished cloning originally, I moved the new drive to internal,

> and disconnected the external. It booted up OK, but I got error

> messages that the System Restore feature was corrupt. It was all

> down hill after that.

 

It sounds like you're saying that you disconnected the old internal

HD, put the new HD in its place, then disconnected the USB cable

that went to the new HD's external housing, then booted. If that is

true, the procedure is OK.

> There is a boot.ini in the cloned drive, and a ntdetect.com

> There is also an ntldr (I have no idea what that is)

 

The name of the loader is "ntldr", the file that couldn't be found

originally. Since it where it should be in the partition, something

is saying that the directions to it were wrong. The "something"

could be the partition's partition's boot record. Try running

the XP CD with the new HD connected, and using the command

prompt in the Recovery Console, run "fixboot". Run "fixmbr"

while you're at it just in case. Then see if it boots up as the sole

HD.

> The X and partition discussion I don't understand. I'm not sure

> yet if I have more than one partition, everything I click on shows

> only one.

 

The "X" is whatever letter name that the running OS assigns to

the clone's partition. Apparently, both the old and the new HDs

each have only one partition.

> The only partition that shows there is marked ' healthy (active)'

> The original HD is marked 'healthy (system)'

 

That is all normal. You booted this time from the old HD, so

the boot files are there - that what "system" refers to. The

cloned partition on the new HD is marked "active" so that

control would be passed to it by the BIOS if that HD had

boot priority.

 

If "fixboot" and "fixmbr" don't solve the problem, Dave, I'm

afraid that I'm all out of ideas. Let us know what happens.

 

*TimDaniels*

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"Dave" wrote:

> I'm wondering if I should find some more specific cloning software

> and start over.

 

I prefer Casper, and they make a free trial copy available for 30 days,

but the free version will not fill the entire space of the new HD - it will

make the new partition the same size as the old one. If that is OK,

here is the url: http://www.fssdev.com/products/casper/trial/ .

True Image also has a free trial version available for 15 days, and

True Image's one limitation - that it will only clone entire disks, not

single partitions - it not a limitation for you. You can download the

free trial copies from here:

http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/trueimage/

 

> The only problem with that is that my comp will not boot on my old drive for

> some reason. Assuming that means it is corrupt somehow,

> I don't want to clone a corrupt drive.

 

 

What were you using, then, to look at the contents of the new HD?

 

> I don't think my BIOS is helping. The only drive option I have for

> HD's is the C: drive, and that's exactly what it's doing - booting on

> the C:, which just happens to be the external cloned drive. I don't

> have any way to change the BIOS to look directly for the D: drive.

> Also, there is no default option on the BIOS. I have checked and

> found an update on the BIOS, but Dell refers to it as 'optional' I

> believe the word was. I hate to start that, since it just another change

> which I shouldn't need at least to get back to where I was.

 

It's time to describe your PC. How many internal HDs can the

motherboard support? Are they PATA or SATA? What is the

model of the PC?

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest David

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Tim -

Forgive the indiscretion, but I wanted to thank you specifically for hanging

with me on this cloning mess. The last couple of items did not work, so I

bit the bullet, cleaned the drive, and reinstalled the operating system.

Had 99% of my data backed up, so I'm getting things back in shape.

But once again, I thank you very much - your support meant a lot.

 

Dave Burkhardt

>From the far north woods of Wisconsin

(It's lonely up here sometimes)

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

news:uturCFlBJHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>I took a look at the .pdf for the User Manual for Data Lifeguard Tools

> on the Western Digital website, and it (the manual) is terrible. It

> refers

> to copying a bootable hard drive, then it describes folder-to-folder

> copying. Since the purpose of providing it is presumably to clone an

> entire hard drive to another hard drive, it must be making a clone.

> What does the new HD look like in the old HD's Disk Management

> utility? Does the used space on the new HD equal the used space

> on the old HD? That "DRV4_VOL1" is mysterious. If it refers to a

> dynamic drive, I'm at a loss....

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

>

> "Dave" wrote:

>> Thank you Tim - I'll do my best

>> I'm back on my own comp again - I'll tell you how in a minute

>> (not good)-

>>

>> 1) Data Lifeguard Tools CD which came with new Western Digital

>> 320G HD

>> 2) I do not remember seeing that as an option

>> 3) Copy the whole disk (which only shows 1 partition) Again,

>> I don't recall seeing that as a option

>> 4) Good question - they never use the word 'clone' - just 'copy'

>> (can't get at the exact language right now) Don't recall seeing

>> the word 'image' either.

>> 5) External drive was USB - this is an EIDE setup, all jumpers in

>> Cable Select

>>

>> Now - the present status:

>>

>> The system will come up one way, and one way only (and believe me

>> I have tried a lot of combinations):

>> 1) Original HD (Hitachi 40G) as only internal - system recognizes it as

>> Local Disk (D:) 37.25 GB NTFS This is the disk which I originally

>> cloned FROM

>> 2) Cloned HD (WD320G) as external, Computer Management recognizes

>> it as DRV4_VOL1 (C:), 298.09 GB NTFS.

>>

>> I hadn't noticed the "VOL 1" notation on the 320G drive. Is that a clue

>> to what you are asking?

>>

>> Anyway, I don't know what else to add, but I would greatly appreciate

>> your comments.

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

>>

>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:

>>> "Dave" wrote:

>>>> Wanted to replace my full primary HD with a larger one.

>>>> Cloned a new drive as an external...

>>>

>>> OK, back to basics.

>>>

>>> 1) What utility did you use to make the "clone".

>>>

>>> 2) Some utilities give you the option of copying the

>>> MBR or not. Which kind do you have?

>>>

>>> 3) Did you tell it to copy a partition or all partitions,

>>> i.e. the entire disk? (Some people, knowing that they

>>> have just one partition, just copy the partition.)

>>>

>>> 4) Did it make an actual clone (a byte-for-byte copy),

>>> or did it make an image file? (If it offered you the

>>> option of compressing the result, it was an image file.)

>>>

>>> 5) Was the "external drive" a USB/Firewire drive or an

>>> eSATA drive?

>>>

>>> In short, you haven't told us enough to be able to really

>>> help with a diagnosis.

>>>

>>> *TimDaniels*

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

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Re: Problem "Un-cloning" HD

 

 

"David" wrote:

> ...I wanted to thank you specifically for hanging

> with me on this cloning mess. The last couple of items did not work,

> so I bit the bullet, cleaned the drive, and reinstalled the operating system.

> Had 99% of my data backed up, so I'm getting things back in shape.

 

 

I hope the new tack takes you where you want to go.

We're always here to laugh and cry.

 

*TimDaniels*

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